#Şehzade bayezid

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KÖSEM & GÜLBAHAR & BAYEZİD

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The problem with Bayezid in Magnificent Century : Trapped between Mustafa and Selim (a character analysis)

Y

es, this is an essay about Bayezid. I wanted to analyze how, in my opinion, the show struggled to make his character stand on its own, leaving him trapped in his contrasting relationships with Selim and Mustafa.

As children, Selim and Bayezid had a typical sibling rivalry, the kind that often emerges between two brothers who are very close in age and exacerbated by the fact that they both craved their father's approval. But as they grew older, their rivalry took a much darker turn. Bayezid, furious over Selim’s appointment as governor of Manisa, became determined to bring him down and openly expressed his disdain for him all the time.

Selim, for his part, hated Bayezid as well. They had never liked each other, and after Mehmed’s death—an event in which he likely suspected foul play—Selim became acutely aware that fratricide was inevitable. While Bayezid, Mustafa, and Cihangir remained in delulu land, Selim was already grappling with the harsh reality of their father’s succession. He was living in anguish (it's implied to be the main cause of his alcoholism), but we also he was making strategic moves to ensure his survival. He deliberately created emotional distance from his brothers, so when it comes down to it, he won't hesitate before taking their lives. And it's easiest to do that with Bayezid since they were always at odds. But we can also see him doing that with Mustafa (whom he really liked as a little kid) and even Cihangir. He even does it with Mihrimah because he knows deep down that if it comes down to it, she will choose Bayezid. It's honestly very sad to witness.

Bayezid, meanwhile, is disdainful of Selim because of his alcoholism and sees himself as far more superior and worthy of the throne. He also has his own ambitions, so his anger at Selim being chosen as governor of Manisa—effectively positioning him as heir—makes sense. Yet, what stands out is that Selim is the only brother Bayezid sees as a rival. Mustafa, the eldest son, has the support of influential statesmen, the army, and the royal family. He is adored by the people and has the strongest claim to the throne. And yet, Bayezid—who has been depicted since childhood as someone who craves validation and is desperate to prove himself, particularly to his father—does not seem to view Mustafa as a threat at all.

This is particularly strange considering Bayezid’s personality. He was visibly jealous when Selim received privileges for being older—such as going on campaigns before him—so it would make perfect sense for him to have harbored similar resentment toward Mustafa, or even Mehmed, who enjoyed even greater advantages. Yet, he is never competitive with his other brothers, never feels threatened by them, and never expresses hatred toward them. All of his hostility is concentrated on Selim.

While it is understandable that Bayezid resented Selim’s rise—especially since he saw it as undeserved—that alone does not fully explain the intensity and singularity of his fixation. Bayezid’s defining trait is his desperate need to prove himself to his father, as seen in moments like the archery scene, where his failure in front of Suleiman devastates him. Given this, it would have made far more sense for him to be at least competitive with all of his brothers, including Mehmed, who was often favored by their father (and openly so) and enjoyed elder brother privileges as well. The only exception that makes sense is Cihangir, since Bayezid did not particularly value intellectual pursuits and could compartmentalize Suleiman’s love for him as a form of pity.

Because we don’t see Bayezid directing even a fraction of this energy toward Mustafa or even Mehmed, his relentless hatred of Selim starts to feel less like a natural consequence of his desire for Suleiman's approval and more like an oddly singular fixation. The absence of similar feelings toward Mustafa, despite Mustafa being the natural heir for so many, makes Bayezid’s hatred of Selim feel strangely arbitrary—almost as if Selim is a scapegoat for all of Bayezid’s frustrations rather than the true source of them.

One could argue that Bayezid’s singular focus on Selim was due to them historically being the last two brothers standing and the ones that eventually fought (with arms) over the throne, but even so, it weakens his character throughout the show by reducing his ambitions to a personal vendetta instead of allowing for a more layered portrayal of sibling rivalry and political ambition.

It's also telling that Bayezid only begins to assert himself as a leader and serious contender for the throne after Mustafa's death—yet even then, he remains overshadowed by his deceased brother. He is never truly seen as the first choice; rather, he is the "second-best option" for the Janissaries, the people, and even those closest to him. Atmaca and Gulfem support him largely because Mustafa did, because they see him as a lesser echo of him. Even within his own family, Bayezid's rise is shaped by loss rather than his own merit—he only becomes Hurrem, Mihrimah, and Rustem’s preferred candidate after Mehmed's death, and because Selim is not taken seriously as he is an alcoholic.

What makes it worse is that Bayezid himself is never allowed to escape Mustafa’s shadow. He is constantly compared to him, measured against an idealized version of a brother who has been sanctified. The Janissaries and others don't follow Bayezid because they see him as a great leader in his own right—they follow him because he reminds them of Mustafa. His entire claim to power feels like a reflection of someone else's legacy, rather than his own. And now that Mustafa has become a myth to so many, Bayezid is placed in a position where he can just never live up to expectations.

Even on a meta level, the show’s handling of Bayezid’s character seems more like an attempt to fill the void left by Mustafa rather than develop Bayezid as his own person. Once Mustafa is gone, Bayezid is positioned as the new tragic hero, a noble contrast to Selim—most notably in his refusal to kill Selim when he had the chance, and them making it clear Bayezid did not meant to betray Suleiman when he found refuge in his enemy. But this characterization doesn’t feel earned. Rather than allowing Bayezid to have his own distinct journey, the show essentially repackages Mustafa’s arc, framing him as another doomed son who was ultimately too righteous to survive in the brutal world of Ottoman succession.

Bayezid is not a one-dimensional character—he has ambitions, flaws, and personal struggles that make him believable. However, the show rarely allows him to exist outside of two defining relationships: his rivalry with Selim and the impossible legacy of Mustafa (who hasn't even earned that legacy himself but that's another topic). Early on, Bayezid is framed almost entirely through his resentment of Selim, reducing his ambitions to personal grievances against him. Later, after Mustafa’s death, he is expected to carry his brother’s torch, yet he cannot possibly satisfy's people idealized expectations of Mustafa, which even Mustafa himself never had the chance to fulfill. Instead of developing an identity of his own, Bayezid remains caught between these two roles—never ruthless enough to be a true rival to Selim, yet never strong enough to embody Mustafa’s idealized legacy.

Bayezid had the potential to be one of the most complex figures in the succession struggle, yet the show trapped him between two opposing forces—Selim, the brother he despised, and Mustafa, the brother he could never live up to. His character was never allowed to stand on its own; his ambitions were framed only in contrast to Selim, while his leadership was always measured against Mustafa’s legacy, making his character feel incomplete and frustrating.

[magnificentlyreused]

This orange, gold and green kaftan was first worn by Şehzade Mustafa in the twenty-second episode of the second season of Magnificent Century. It was worn again by Şehzade Mehmed in the eleventh episode of the third season. The kaftan was also used on Mehmed's younger brother Şehzade Bayezid in the second episode of the fourth season.

[thevampiricnihal]

Bayezid really takes after Season 1 Hürrem: His impulsivity, his anger issues, his Uber-Fertility…

[malbonteobsessedsworld]

Cihangir: In your opinion, what's the height of stupidity?

Bayezid: Hey, Selim,how tall are you?

[tell-them-the-north-remembers]

Huricihan & Bayezid / Hatice & İbrahim Parallels

aka The history book on the shelf is always repeating itself

[nesiacha]

I repeat one of my comments posted on Youtube

If I had my say on the way Suleiman's children were portrayed, because like a lot of people, I didn't like the way it was written in Magnificent Century, that's what I would do. ( In my eyes, Mustafa was seen as a pure white sehzade, which therefore made him in my eyes more stupid and less interesting than he actually was. Mehmed was practically erased of his personality and seen as a pure Gary Stu like his half brother. Cihangir, who I adore, yet in the series was too naive. Selim is seen as evil, etc...)

I would respect the historical point of view more. I propose an alternative version, I would have added Suleiman's children he had when he was sehzade with his other concubines before he became Sultan and met Hurrem and then had them die of the plague as it was historically.

Sehzade Mustafa - I would keep his childlike personality, except he is not close to his siblings (because of the fratricidal law), and I wouldn't put him close to Ibrahim at least until he becomes an adult and allies himself with him. I would let his mother take care exclusively of his education. A young man who craves recognition and attention from his father, who often neglects him in return over his other children due to the fact that Mahidevran is the Sultan's least beloved concubine. The more he becomes an adult, and especially a father, the more he resents his father because of the way he treats his mother and him. He does not really understand his father and therefore his fears due to the fact that he did not grow up close to him. I would keep his efficient heir personality because he performs very well despite his father never teaching him well because of his mother who is a very good advisor. Instead of doing something for his military glory or showing off his harem too much, I would focus on how he improves the lives of common people exhausted by too much conquest. I would make his guilt very ambiguous, at the start it is clear that he wants to wait for his father to die to have the throne and restore his mother's honor, however, he realizes that his father lets his vizier lead his life impossible to see even encourages him, does not hide that he preferred to have a son of Hurrem on the throne no matter what Mustafa will do. Following this, the sehzade wants to have a second plan like his grandfather in case Suleiman wants to abdicate in favor of another of his sons which would put him in danger (which could explain the Venetian correspondence, others say that it was a plan to prevent his brothers from escaping if one day he became Sultan) but hesitates to actually carry it out, then after some hesitation goes to his father's tent and gets strangled. Instead of doing Atmaca, I would focus on Mustafa's son-in-law, Nergissah's husband who started as Rustem's ally and becomes his most loyal supporter ( it seems that it is more a legend than truth, but I didn't remeber well as I didn't have on me my books of historian like Halil Inalcık) . So I would avoid making a treacherous Sehzade, his mistakes would be understandable, but he wouldn't be a pure white Sehzade.

Sehzade Mehmed: it's more complicated for him because he died without having proven himself in a complicated province like Amasya, so it's quite difficult to make a comparison with Mustafa. But I would make sure to give him a real personality: initially close to some of his brothers like Selim and Bayezid, he becomes, despite his mother, more distant towards them because of the fratricide (Mehmed II had therefore legalized it there is not much way to escape from it at the time unlike MCK) although he is very close to Cihangir and his sister. Unlike Mustafa, his father trained him in the regency of the palace and he did very well by dint of advice and practice. When he is sent to the provinces, he often listens to his mother's advice when she visits him. Knowing that he has the support of the statesmen against Mustafa he realizes knowing his father better than his half brother that he will have to play the role of the obedient sehzade not interested in politics although deep down he prepare for it. He has the happiness of being a father but dies immediately afterwards.

Mihrimah Sultan- I would make sure to respect the historical Hurrem who wants her daughter to have a marriage of love and happiness. However Suleiman prefers Rustem, and she accepts him immediately because she will do everything to save her brothers and convince her mother to accept this marriage. I would rather show her as a politician as well as her diplomatic relations. However, I would underline the unjust side of Suleiman, he had Mustafa executed and condemned Mahidevran to poverty but refuses to punish Mihrimah by banishing her because she would have helped Bayezid financially during his rebellion. Their relationship would be cold for a time before reconciling. She will be reconciled with her brother Selim because basically they only remain and will be an ally of Nurbanu.

Sehzade Abdullah- I would have included him even if he died very young.

Sehzade Selim- Initially a cultured young man very focused on charity work like his mother and sister and very sober. Nevertheless it is often sad due to the law of fratricide. When Mustafa dies, he realizes he has a chance to escape it and he will fight in a wicked way especially for his son Murad because he knows that Bayezid's temper will put him in danger besides fratricide. He knew how to recruit powerful and efficient state members. He is on the whole an obedient sehzade but who is disgusted with his father's treatment of Mahidevran (after all she is no longer a threat to him she no longer has a son) and who will take risks to her by helping her financially. As the hardships go on, his depression increases he drinks more and more especially after his sister takes the part of Bayezid, that his brother Bayezid dies, and the fact that he is obliged to make other sons in the case where Murad dies without an heir which means that he knows that his other sons will be condemned to death. He has become a broken leader although he makes sure there is effective governance.

As a Sultan he must face his father's mistakes, including the way he led the Empire, including too many wars and unnecessary conquests in Europe. ​

Sehzade Bayezid- Him complicated. Due to his explosive temper he is the black sheep of his siblings (Mustafa does not count since he is a half brother, they do not even know each other) and the most incompetent of Suleiman's sons and Suleiman is worried because he has inherited the worst faults of Selim Yavuz like being angry easily (without having had his qualities). Yet deep down he wants affection and that's why he has several children even if it's irresponsible, his mother favors him because she's afraid for him because he has too impulsive nature . Mihrimah comes to his aid only in memory of his mother, because deep down she prefers Selim, Bayezid knows this, which means that he hardly listens to her. She only helps him financially as a last resort because she couldn't convince him to call off the rebellion. Suleiman was more lenient to his mistakes that Mustafa (we could once again underline the unfair side of Suleiman again with this) until the point that he took refuge to the Shah.

Sehzade Cihangir- A cultured young man very close to his parents and very sick. I would make him a supporter of Selim because although he is close to him, he also knows that he is his only chance of survival because he is not close to Bayezid at all. He often sends information from the Palace to Selim to better aid him in managing his province and at times advises him to be more ruthless in his quest for the throne while remaining an obedient sehzade. It would therefore be a good adviser for Selim (and it would give him more personality). He cannot therefore be limited to the role of a simple supporter but also of a valuable advisor.

And that's how I would portray them if I were in the place of the screenwriters. They are all very nuanced (we avoid all white or all black), we can freely pick a favorite without trying to favor another sehzade at all costs, and I try to be consistent with what we know about them and try to explain why they did mistakes or make sucess.

[redrosecut]

How should we name our son?

Any Magnificent Century character: Mehmed. It won't confuse anyone if there is more than one per generation. And it is also not like a very bad omen for that child's future.

[chaos-of-the-abyss]

while i seriously hate how mustafa was written as the "golden prince," that scene where he has to get in between bayezid and selim bc they're throwing hands never fails to crack me up. as someone who has a brother... i relate

[awkward-sultana]

Magnificent Century + Şehzade Mehmet, Bayezid & Selim + Kisses (requested by anonymous)

[visenyav]

Long Shall She Reign

A Muhtesem Yuzyil (Magnifcent Century) inspired HOTD fanfic

Warnings: This fic includes dubcon, pregnancy, childbirth, child loss, miscarriage, stillborn birth, character death, violence and inc3st(Targcest. Uncle/Niece), Underage Sex(mentioned), Brothels/Sex Workers Tags might be added as the fic goes on. Don't like, don't read.

Aemond Targaryen x Velaryon Strong!Reader (Aemond x Niece OC)

Face claim: Merve Boluğur

Nurisa Sultan(AFAB OC Strong! ) Also known as Princess Visenya Velaryon, Visenya Waters, Nurisa Hatun. Eventully known as: Her Grace the King's Mother, Valide Nurisa Sultan

**Info on Character and slight, minor(but essential) spoilers ahead

Backstory:

Born as Princess Visenya Velaryon, daughter of Princess Rhaenyra Targaryen and Ser Laenor Velaryon, twin to Prince Jacaerys Velaryon. Her dragon egg never hatched, nor did she ever have the opportunity to claim a dragon. As a result, she grew close to her half-uncle, Prince Aemond Targaryen, as they both shared the same predicament. Princess Visenya was a cherished part of King’s Landing during her early years, known to bring smiles to even the sternest members of the King’s Guard (except Ser Criston Cole, but his opinion was one that no one cared for, given he was a right c*nt. Despite the rumors surrounding her parentage, coupled with her lack of a dragon, she remained a carefree and intelligent child. It was said she mastered both Old Valyrian and Zarahani. That was, until the Driftmark Incident.

After leaving King’s Landing with her parents and siblings, she lived at Dragonstone until the funeral of her aunt, Lady Laena Velaryon. She attended the funeral as expected and retired that night to the chambers assigned to her. When her brothers and cousins woke her from her sleep to find her late mother’s dragon, she reluctantly joined them, slipping her dagger into her sleeve.

After the fateful encounter between her uncle, brothers, and cousins, her life was changed forever. Stripped of her title and name, she became Visenya Waters, disowned, and promptly sent to live in King’s Landing, all by Otto Hightower’s decree. But that was not the end of Visenya... not by a long shot.

At the age of eight, she was sent to a brothel. When she came of age, she entertained the advances of strangers and known men alike. Due to mysterious circumstances, she was captured, enslaved, and sold to the Sultanate of Zarahan. Entering the harem while pregnant and scarred, she was taken in by the Valide Sah Sultan. After giving birth to her son, Aethan, and later to Ayse Sultan and Şehzade Murad, while raising her stepson, Şehzade Bayezid, Nurisa climbed the ranks, eventually becoming the Haseki and Legal Wife of Sultan Ahmed. Through multiple trials and losses, the most significant being the death of her son, Aethan, and the deaths of her other children in the cradle or womb, along with the passing of the Valide and, eventually, Sultan Ahmed, Nurisa became Valide Sultan to her stepson, Bayezid, and amassed power and the love of the people. Now, with her children, Ayse and Murad, halfway across the world—in Westeros of all places—Nurisa is forced to return and confront the family who abandoned her.

She left Westeros a slave and a bastard, and returned as Valide-Kabir Naib-Sultanate Nurisa Sultan, Queen Mother and (former) Regent of Zarahan. Westeros, beware, for hell hath no fury like a woman scorned, especially not Nurisa.

For what is Nurisa to do when she discovers her son is alive? What is she to do when she finds herself in Westeros once more? What is she to do when she encounters a certain One-Eyed Prince?

What any sensible woman would do.

Revenge.

[gulnarsultan]

Yandere platonic father Fatih Sultan Mehmet and daughter reader.

Years ago.

Şehzade Bayezid had just turned seven years old. He was appointed as the Governor of Amasya this year. Emine Gülbahar Hatun went to Amasya with her son. However, it was revealed that she was pregnant before she left. However, she left Istanbul in order not to leave her son alone. Nine months later, Emine Gülbahar Hatun gave birth to a healthy baby girl. As the years passed quickly, the beautiful Sultan was growing up.

One day, Sultan Mehmet calls Şehzade Bayezid to Istanbul. Şehzade Bayezid is going to Istanbul Palace with his mother and sister. Sultan Mehmet does not know how to feel when he sees his daughter, whom he has never seen. They are chatting while they eat together. Sultan Mehmet is trying to learn about his daughter. While they are in the Istanbul Palace, Sultan Mehmet tries to establish a father-daughter relationship with his daughter. However, Sultan Pektr is not eager to form a bond with his father. There is more than one option for what happens next.

Sultan Mehmet does not allow his daughter to wear clothes anymore. So the Sultan will now live in the Istanbul Palace.

Maybe Sultan Mehmet can't stand his daughter's sadness and lets his daughter go.

If there is a second option, he will still visit his daughter. Or he will want his daughter not to visit him. He will not neglect to write letters.

[burningdreambanana]

Something that doesn't quite make sense about Bayezid and his relationship with Mustafa

I've mentioned many times on this sub Cihangir bizarre obsession with Mustafa. Bayezid never reached that level, but he is still pictured as being very close to Mustafa. However, I am currently rewatching ep 105, and its clear that Bayezid wants to be the heir to the throne as well, hence his deep desire to govern Manisa.

Yet he doesn't seem particularly concerned about what this mean for his relationship with Mustafa. Even if he believes he can become the sultan without having to kill his brothers, does he really believe that Mustafa would just accept him being taking the throne? As they are close, he supposedly knows him, Mustafa even once told him he would one day be the sultan so he should know Mustafa wants to rule, yet he doesn't seem to see him as a rival, nor is he particularly concerned about Mustafa's popularity with the army, and all his numerous allies.

Like I understand he hates Selim so much and sees him as his main rival but the fact that he is just so cool with Mustafa despite wanting to be the sultan is just weird to me

[magnificentlyreused]

This pyjama was first worn by Şehzade Mehmed in the twelth episode of the third season of Magnificent Century. It appeared again in the thirty-sixth episode of the same season, this time on Rüstem Pasha. The pyjama was worn again by Şehzade Bayezid in the twenty-fourth episode of the fourth season.

[haticesultanas]

I am really glad that you have answered my analysis of Ümmügülsüm Sultan as daughter of Ahmed I.

I have investigated Sultanas for 3 years for now and I want to share my findings about daughters of Bayezid II that are kinda new ones... I want to hear your comments.

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In work Şehzade Korkud (ca. 1468-1513) and the Articulation of Early 16th Century Ottoman Religious Identity on page 60 (note 43), it is said that İlaldı Sultan was said to be own sister of Selim I. Additionally, in work The marriage of Ibrahim Pasha on page 25, it is said that Ferhad Pasha and Ahmed Pasha were pashas from Selim’s household; one married his daughter and another his sister. Ahmed Pasha was on strong positions even through reign of Selim I, so... But, I think that he was not the first husband of İlaldı; as she was Selim’s sister, she must had been older than him and probably she got married when he was sent to province (1487) if not earlier.

There are multiple suggestions and claims of Sofu Fatma Sultan’s marriages. Öztuna claims that her first marriage was in 1482 to Mirza Mehmed Pasha (d. August 1517, who was remarried in 1513 to Şahnisa Sultan); Alderson in his tables claim that she was married in 1489 to son of Koca Davud Pasha, Mustafa Pasha (d. 1524), which J. Dumas also confirmed at the end of the 2013 book at page 477. She was married to Güzelce Hasan Bey at sometime, but in work Şehzade Korkud (ca. 1468-1513) and the Articulation of Early 16th Century Ottoman Religious Identity on page 55 (note 23) it is stongly claimed that in late 1504 she was still married to Hasan Bey, but in June she was reffered as former wife of Hasan Bey.  In Dumas’s 2013 book, somewhere I have found that she says that she remarried after Hasan Bey to certain Ahmed Pasha, but I couldn’t find it now. If all these four marriages happened, if you ask me, at least in two cases marriage ended with a divorce.

In work Wolf on the Border: Yahyapaşaoğlu Bali Bey (?-1527) by Fodor, it is strongly claimed that gift records show Yahya Pasha was married in 1501/02 to Aynışah Sultan, and that Bali Pasha was her stepson who married her daughter in 1508. I strongly consider suggestion of historians that Aynışah was Şirin Hatun’s daughter FALSE. They consider her being buried beside her grandmother and father, although it is Şirin Hatun’s granddaughter Aynışah Sultan (who was buried there when she died in 1540). Aynışah Sultan was married in 1489 to her first cousin Ahmed Bey, who was 13 years old at the time. I consider Aynışah to be similar in age of her husband (thus being born in 1475/76), because if she was Abdullah’s own sister, she was born before 1464, which would mean she was twice as old as her husband, which is unimaginable to me.

Serbian historian Gliša Elezović claimed that Bayezid II’s daughter Hümaşah Sultan was remarried after death of her husband Bali Pasha to governor of Skopje Mustafa Pasha. Later, one of the historians made work about Çoban Mustafa Pasha, who was governor of Skopje during reign of Bayezid II and claims that he was Hümaşah’s second husband, and that after her death he remarried Selim I’s daughter Hafsa Sultan in 1517. With Hümaşah Sultan he had four daughters, see on second page: https://acikerisim.fsm.edu.tr/xmlui/bitstream/handle/11352/1785/%C4%B0brahimgil.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Additionally, beside four daughters with Mustafa Pasha, Hümaşah Sultan had a son Hüseyinşah Bey, who died in 1566 and was from Karlizade family. Elezović also confirmed this, but also in work Journal of Turkish Studies 39 (2013), on page 248 this information is confirmed. But his father must have been from Karlizade family, and there was one of Bayezid II’s damads named Karlizade Mehmed Bey who was governor and still alive in 1511. In this document about provincial governors and damads of Bayezid II, he is reffered as II. Bayezid'in damatlarından Mehmed Bey bin Karlı'dır. Obviously, she divorced one of them…

In Fisher’s book The foreign relations of Turkey 1481-1512 we have two interesting informations; in 1481 there were recorded four sons-in-law of prince Bayezid (p. 17; note 33):

Hersekli Ahmed Pasha (Hundi Sultan lol); Sinan Pasha (Ayşe Sultan lol), Kasim aga-aga of the jannisaries and Rüstem pasha-janissary pasha. Are you able to find out what were names of wifes of other two pashas?

On page 93 of the same book:

It was not usual custom in Turkey to give daughters of the sultan to foreign princes, but Bayezid disregarded this usage and married two daughters outside the empire. One he had given to Amed Mirza of Persia, and now he cemented the friendship between Turkey and Egypt by sending a daughter to Cairo. This was in 1501, and the next year ambassadors were exchanged to discuss the affairs of Persia and the Syrian frontier.

In book Struggle for Domination in the Middle East by Shai Har-El (p. 215):

In 1501 Bayezid sent his daughter to marry the newly-enthroned Mamluk Sultan Kansu al-Gawri, thus confirming a peaceful relation between the two states. The following year, in the late 1502 Bayezid agreed to peace with Venice in order to free himself to deal with new problems emerging the East.

But, if you read Alderson’s tables (last note in tables of Bayezid II), he cites some source I couldn’t understand from Ulucay and says that this Sultana who married Kansuh was later accused of adultery. Nothing shocking to me as Kansuh al-Gawri was 60 years old at the time, and this Sultana was young. But I am dying to know what was her name. Could you be able to find out?

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You’re welcome, it was a very interesting read :D

I have to tell you in advance that it’s been a long time since I studied anything different from the Sultanate of Women so I may make mistakes or I may not know well what we’re talking about. Please, bear with me.

It's going to be very long, I'm sorry

If you don’t mind, I’m going to summarise what you said:

According to Nabil Al-Tikriti in Şehzade Korkud (ca. 1468-1513) and the Articulation of Early 16th Century Ottoman Religious Identity (p. 60, n. 43), İlaldı Sultan was “said to have been Selim’s full sister”

She married Ahmed Ağa (> Hâin Ahmed Paşa), who came from Selim I’s household and was one of his favourites (According to Öztuna, he was executed in Cairo)

According to Uluçay she must have died around 1518 because she doesn’t figure among the princesses who received a stipend from Selim I on that date

Sofu Fatma Sultan: she married Güzelce Hasan Bey (m. before late february 1504-june or before june 1506) and had a daughter with him. She married Ahmed Bey bin Ali Bey bin Mesih Paşa (Uluçay, p. 49). Her son Mehmed Çelebi later married Ayse Sultan daughter of Şehzade Alemşah.

According to Uluçay (via Sakaoglu), it’s not true that she had married Mustafa Bey, son of Grand Vizier Davud PashaYou may be right that she had a previous husband before Güzelce Hasan Bey because according to Uluçay she only had a daughter with him. He didn’t know her son Mehmed Çelebi’s father but that seems to mean she had another husband. Still, according to Uluçay, Sofu Fatma Sultan was also the wife of Ahmed Bey bin Ali Bey bin Mesih Paşa but both Sakaoglu and Oztuna maintain that he was the husband of her daughter instead.

Yes, so, about Dumas’ dissertation… Her family trees were not made by her, she simply reported what Alderson or Uluçay said in their books, so they’re not exactly sources. It can be seen in the fact that she never attempts to identify the princesses she finds in harem registers. For example, in her dissertation she says that “Gevherhan” was a daughter of Murad III with a concubine of non-haseki status (in reality that Gevherhan is Gevherhan binti Selim II, who had a long life) but she didn’t put her in the family trees at the end.

Aynışah Sultan: she first married Akkoyunlu Damad Göde Ahmed Bey in 1490, the marriage lasted until 1497 (when Ahmed Bey was killed during an uprising in Azerbaijan, where he had gone earlier that year to reclaim the throne of his grandfather, Akkoyunlu ruler Uzun Hasan). With Ahmed Bey, Aynışah had two daughters, Hanzade and an unnamed daughter who married her cousin Şehzade Alaeddin, son of Şehzade Ahmed. According to Öztuna, she also had a son: Sultân-zâde Zeynel Mîrzâ Bey. She secondly married Malkoçoğlu Dâmâd Yahyâ Pasha at the turn of the century (or 1501/1502). At the time, Yahya Pasha already had seven sons: Bali, Mahmud, Mehmed, Sinan, Ahmed, İskender, and Mustafa, who were all adults when their father married into the imperial family. In 1508, Yahya Pasha’s eldest son Bali Bey married one of Aynışah’s daughters from her previous marriage. The marriage was unhappy because the princess had several affairs, and did not produce any legitimate issue.

Akkoyunlu Damad Göde Ahmed Bey was the son of Gevherhan Sultan binti Mehmed II and Dâmâd Uğurlu Mehmed Mirza/Pasha. He was born in 1476 and was therefore 14 yo when he married Aynışah.

Hüma/Hümaşah Sultan: she firstly married Dâmâd Antalyalı Balı Paşa around 1482. After his death in 1494, she married Çoban Mustafa Paşa with whom she had four daughters: Huma, Hani, Şahzeman, and Ümmi Hatun (according to Mehmet Z. İbrahimgil in Makedonya'da Gazi Mustafa Paşa'nın Vakıf Malları). After Hümaşah Sultan’s death (1504??), Çoban Mustafa Pasha married Selim I’s daughter Hafsa.

The marriages of Selim I’s daughters are a mess, to say the least, so I won’t get into it. Turan says “In 1517 Mustafa Pasha married the widow of Bostancıbaşı Iskender Pasha, whom Selim had executed in 1515”. Öztuna gives these husbands to Hafsa, though he didn’t identify the bostancıbaşı: “=1. Dâmâd Fülân Ağa, bostâncıbaşı, executed by Yavuz. =2. Dâmâd Gaazî Çoban Mustafa Paşa (executed 20.8.1523) b. İskender Paşa (ölm. 1506)” I could not find any of Elezović’s works so I don’t know which his sources were. Grygor Boykov in Karlizâde ‘Ali Bey: an Ottoman Dignitary’s Pious Endowment and the Emergence of the Town of Karlova in Central Bulgaria (which is the essay in the Journal of Turkish Studies you mentioned) gives this information:

Another relative, one Hüseyin Şah Bey, who is known to have been an offspring of the Ottoman princess Huma Şah Sultan and of a member of the Karlizâde family, built in 1553/1554 in the village of Saray (near Skopje) a mosque, medrese, and a bridge over the river Vardar. He was buried there in 1566/1567 in a highly monumental mausoleum that almost rivals in size the mosque.

without sources, unfortunately.

The essay you mentioned is İlhan Gök’s İnamat Defteri’ndeki Verilere Göre 16. Yüzyılın İlk Çeyreğinde Osmanlı Eyalet ve Sancak Yöneticileri, where he repeatedly says that Mehmed Bey bin Karlı was a damad of Bayezid II.

Do you think she married Mehmed Bey bin Karlı before Çoban Mustafa Pasha? This Mehmed Bey was governor of İlbasan from 23 July 1505 to 21 March 1507, governor of Alaiye from 9 March 1509 to 15 October 1509, and governor of Vulçıtrın from 6 July 1510 to 7 December 1511. If Hümaşah had only a son with him, Hüseyin Şah Bey, this marriage could have been a short one. On the other hand, the marriage with Çoban Mustafa Pasha must have been longer since they had 4 daughters.

About Fisher’s book:

Kasim, aga of the janissaries (DaLezze*,* p. 164*);* Rustem, janissary pasha (DaLezze, p. 179); Hersekoglu Ahmed, beylerbey of Rumelia (Spanduguino, p. 170; P. Giovio, "Informatione di Paulo Giovio vescovo di Nocera, a Carlo Quinto Imperatore Auguisto” in Dell’historia universale dell’origine et imperio de Turchi [Sansovino, ed], p. 218r); and Sinan, beylerbey of Anatolia (Hammer, III, 339) were all related to Bayezid by marriage.

“DaLezze” is the Historia Turchesca whose paternity is disputed, but Italian historians say it was not written by Donato Da Lezze. In any case, I don’t have it so I can’t read what he said about these men.

So, Mehmed II died in 1481, and this note refers to when Bayezid was trying to reach Istanbul before Cem so he could claim the throne for himself.

Oztuna, in Devletler ve Hanedanlar , lists the Janissaries commanders. Between 1451 and 1515 Mehmed II had abolished the commander of the Janissaries, leaving only the segbânbaşı, that is his deputy.

Hasan Ağa (1451-), 'Abdurrahmân Ağa, Balaban Ağa, Trabzonlu Mehmed Bey, Yâ'qûb Ağa (-1462), Ramazân Ağa, Karagöz Mehmed Ağa, Ibrâhîm Ağa (1485), a different Karagöz Ağa (1497), Yûnus Ağa (1502), Balyemez 'Osmân Ağa (-1515).

It’s Selim I (in 1515) who restored the commander of the Janissaries and gave him a seat in the Divan.

Anyway, if we believe Oztuna to be accurate, there are no Kasim or Rustem during these years. The first Rustem I encountered was “Güzelce Rüstem Ağa 1531-1533”, who was a damad according to Alderson (but his source is Fisher...).

I don’t know anything about a marriage between an Ottoman princess and Qansuh II al-Ghawri, but I’ve found that Cem’s daughter Gevhermelik married An-Nasir Muhammad ibn Qaitbay in 1495.

So, the sources Alderson mentions are articles Uluçay published in Yeni Tarih Dünyası, which is a magazine and not really a scientific journal but that’s how Ottoman history was first spread in the 1950s:

Popular history journals had been a part of a widespread genre in Turkey whose growing population of readers was committed to historical knowledge rooted in nationalist Kemalist ideology and it’s advancement of a particular version of historical discourse. Such journals were published from the beginning of the twentieth century both by political parties and private owners. However they began to proliferate in the 1950s, partly as a result of the relaxation of the political system that had an effect on intellectual life in Turkey. […] Unlike strictly academic historical research, reaching a much more limited readership, popular historical texts can serve the purpose of spreading nationalist ideology to wider populations, and fulfill the need for a “history of the people”. In Turkey during the 1950s and 60s, popular historical literature was produced in the framework of the new Ottoman-centered historical discourse, and managed to reach populations of Turkish readers less exposed to academic historical discourse and less influenced by Kemalist reforms, i.e. non-elite classes. — Ruth Barzilai-Lumbroso, Turkish Men and the History of Ottoman Women: Studying the History of the Ottoman Dynasty’s Private Sphere Through Women’s Writings.

As for your last question, I think the woman accused of adultery is not the same princess who married the Mamluk sultan:

they’re two different notes referring to two different women:

Even without this inter-dynastic marriage between an Ottoman princess and a Mamluk Sultan (which I couldn’t confirm, not even by reading Marino Sanuto’s Diarii), there is so much information about Bayezid II’s daughters.

It was very interesting to read and research, thank you :D

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Mihrimah: Here's a list of things that are wrong with you

Bayezid: there's nothing on it

Mihrimah: I know

Everyone who ever know Bayezid in the background:........