#&&; back with a vengeance. back with a song // music

[take-my-divine]

BTS 2025 Comeback

(Take my tarot interpretation with a grain of salt and sugar)

I asked the BTS members what they envision for the 2025 (or even 2026) comeback. Each one of them has an element that they want to stress on.

Overall and common theme— Two of Wands

They want to open more doors for themselves and expand their legacy

Woodland Oracle— Finding Self Worth, Inspiration, and Wisdom

BTS have felt and seen a lot of things. The process has made them wise and experienced. Their only advice is to not downplay themselves and continue walking with their heads up high.

(Now let’s get to what each member wants to do with the group comeback. I got some interpretations of what they want their music and visuals to look like and sound like.)

(I also used three different decks because the members wanted different pictorial representation. I used the mythology card deck for Namjoon, Jin and Hoseok, original Arthur Waite for Yoongi and Taehyung, and Cat tarot for Jimin and Jungkook)

Namjoon

Ace of swords + The Fool

Namjoon is bursting with creative and intellectual energy. He wants a new chapter for BTS’ perception and career. He’s not too strict with what he wants but he wants something bold, divisive and unique for the comeback.

I see him gravitating towards two songs— Spring Day and Sea (hidden track from ly her). It seems he wants to expand on those two themes. BTS have gone through a lot of seas and deserts and spring days in the past two and a half years and he wants to showcase that pain and fulfilment.

Jin

The Chariot

Well Jin was a bit curt sjdjjdjd. I sort of see him want the same thing as Namjoon— a revisit of the Sea themes. I also see Jin wanting to recreate that map of the soul seven rollout. He really wants to travel and explore a lot with this album. It seems his heart is really all about exploring and trying out new things. He doesn’t seem to want to jinx it or hold himself back by already coming up with an image but he too wants a song like Sea.

Hoseok

King of Swords + Six of Swords

Hoseok also wants a Sea song theme. He sort of wants to show BTS’ self discipline and ability to bounce back. Something about moving on and also rising from ashes. He sort of sees BTS group returning with vengeance and prowess unlike any other.

Yoongi

Ace of Swords + Six of Pentacles reversed + The Fool

Yoongi has similar cards as Namjoon but from a different deck. He’s not really thought of revisiting songs but he too shares the vision of going all out and bold. The reversed six of pentacles is showing me that Yoongi really wants to talk about something that was really unfair that happened to BTS. Something about them being betrayed or cheated out of something. Maybe the media? Or something that happened to them personally? He wants to bare his and BTS’ bruises. If Namjoon wishes for something hopeful, I see Yoongi wishes for something dark and contemplative.

Taehyung

High Priestess Reversed + the Emperor + Knight of Wands

Taehyung wants to make a song about similiar things as Yoongi— something about trust being broken, shallowness, superficiality, ignorance. I think this is because he sees BTS as an outlet that can help bring awareness to certain things. But at the same time he wants to show a “cool” side. Like despite all BTS went through, they came back like the Emperor and Knight card here. He might want something that’s also flirty. My brain heard Fake Love so I guess he wants something like that.

Jimin

The Chariot + The Magician Reversed + Page of Cups.

Like Jin, Jimin wants to travel with this work. He feels the most comfortable with BTS, and he treats their work like a throne. He might want to make a song also talking about some deceit that he has faced— like Yoongi and Taehyung. He also wants to try something super new and connect with his inner child once again with BTS.

Jungkook

The Sun Reversed + Lovers

Awwww… he’s just so happy to unite with the members. I guess that’s what he wants to make the music on— about the period where they weren’t together and then their reunion. It seems he wants this to be the defining track on the album. For him, the BTS bond is what makes the music hit for others and for himself too. So that’s really what he wants to focus on. He might take hands on approach with this track.

• • • • • • •

Overall I think the men are restless to come back. They have so many stories to share and concepts to explore. They all pretty much want the same thing.

[o3o-lapd-o3o]

i like to imagine that as soon as the words "someone arrived today, they said they're taking you away" left calypso's mouth, odysseus "sat at the beach every day for 7 years crying for his wife & son" of ithaca immediately jumped up wiped his tears away

then swiftly (without a glance at calypso), walked over to a bush/foliage near the beach and grabbed all the stuff he had been accumulating for 7 years during his prison stay, ready for the day he can leave this place.

[australet789]

I keep seeing people saying Zeus was OOC for striking Athena at the end of God Games and that he was mad at Odysseus

Guys, did we listen to the same song?

Athena's last argument to won the game was literally saying in a magic colleseum full of every single greek magical creature

"Yeah, Zeus is a cheater and a fuckboy, unlike Odysseus"

Athena literally won by insulting Zeus in front of everyone's faces and making Hera, the Goddess of Marriage and very much known wife of Zeus, agree with that.

Zeus was not pissed at Odysseus, he was very much pissed at Athena for using a mortal to compare him (and it goes somehow along the original story, in which Zeus complains about the humans being pissed at the gods for their fates when the gods are basically just "doing their jobs")

[nyssasatelier]

Your girl is suffering trying to teach herself how to animate rn

But that's alright because there is no price I wouldn't pay to draw a grown man blushing like a school girl over his wife

[thedivinelights]

"After everything you've done... how will you sleep at night?"

"…Next to my wife."

-Odysseus to Poseidon in EPIC: The Musical's 'Six Hundred Strike'

[missdarhk]

guys what stops poseidon from - when he recovers from getting 600 bitch slaps in the face and getting stabbed with his own trident - doing exactly what he said he'd do in get in the water???

we all know he can hold a grudge, why would he not just drown odysseus and his whole family once he has the power to do so?? he got humiliated. wouldn't he want to kill odysseus now, more than ever?

[thatonebluedog]

Telemachus doodle because You Should Listen To Epic

[happypeachsludgeflower]

It has occurred to me.. that every time I listen to Vengence Saga now (which will be a LOT) for the rest of eternity.. I’m going to think of The Boopening 🥸😂

[hellishgayliath]

OH MY GODDDD VENGEANCE SAGA WAS SO GOOOOOODDDD!!!!! I WAS SO HYPED FOR IT TO COME OUT AND NOW IM VALIDATED FOR BEING HYPED THAT SHIT WAS STRAIGHT FIRE

[gu6chan]

honestly peering through the vengence saga and SPOILERS but the idea of poseidon coming back can be either deeply sinister or deeply hilarious depending on if you choose to go with the interpretation of the original myth where he was absent during athena's plea bc he was vacationing in ethiopia and is now coming back to the worst welcome back party ever (re: getting stabbed several times in the chest by that One Asshole he thought he was done with) or that he WAS present during athena's plea and purposefully chose not to say anything because he was waiting for odysseus to come within reach of ithaca, which does seem to be implied by the first bit of lyrics in get in the water "I've been waiting for this moment/.../When your home's so close and you've reached your coast/that's when our paths collide" but ough,,,,

[shorlinesorrows]

sometimes I run into discourse about The Odyssey vs. EPIC: The Musical and I get tired

this is why I think we need to start taking a more oral tradition approach to stories like the Odyssey tbh, and I'd argue stories in general

The original and the adaptation being different, or the characters being different, doesn't make one or the other Wrong.

EPIC isn't claiming to be a direct retelling of the Odyssey, and the Odyssey doesn't need to be put under a moral microscope just to prove that "Odysseus was a Bad Guy Actually i can't believe you like EPIC" or "The Actual moral of everything is This."

Analysis is good, but we don't have to do it to spite other people's enjoyment of a piece of art!

One of the most beautiful things about many oral traditions is that the story changes over time. It grows to fit the ideas and needs of the people it's being told to and the place it's being told in. Each storyteller remembers different details more vividly, or adds a little flair, or forgets a few words, or adds a few words, and it grows.

EPIC doesn't have to be the Odyssey, and the Odyssey doesn't have to be EPIC. Enjoy them both. Adaptations and spins off of stories aren't a bad thing in themselves, even if they're different.

Heck, the Odyssey was almost Definitely an adaptation, conglomeration, or re-telling of other stories that were told orally before it was written down. And I'd bet that it continued to evolve and change even after it was put to paper. I highly doubt The Odyssey the only version of this story there was, long before our time.

It's fine if you dislike one or the other in any adaptation! Hell knows I've absolutely despised some adaptations of media i enjoyed in the past. That's not a bad thing. But one story isn't objectively morally better or worse compared to another in adaptations.

Basically, my whole point is that both the Odyssey and EPIC are Great to me personally, but they aren't completely the same thing and that's what makes them great.

And I think people maybe need to be ok with that!

[zukoandtheoc]

traumatized from the vengeance saga btw.

[themonsterrawrr]

****Vengeance Saga Spoilers******

Im probably not the first one to notice this but an absolutely devastating detail at the beginning of Dangerous is when Odysseus is singing

“600 Deaths under my command,

Cus I had one goal in mind..”

And then there’s a pause because he has no crew left to sing the backing vocals “make it back alive to our homeland”

Anyways this crushed me while I was relistening so enjoy

[sc0rpain]

so i know we're all going crazy over "how will you sleep at night?" "next to my wife" (and rightfully so)

BUT are we just gonna sleep on "you cant kill me" "exactly" "wait..... WAIT-"

[olivsie]

VENGEANCE SAGA BOYS

I'm so exited for dangerous and Charybdis but also 600 strike, cuz it's such a mystery like we really know next to nothing about it

[fluffypotatey]

Was I right about Vengeance Saga on Halloween or was I right WHOO apparently the folks in the discord were hypothesizing it too, but I'm not on there. It crosses over into Day of the Dead in Mexico too, which kinda fits Ody. How'd you like that trailer? :D

trailer had me like

“i found you….coward” AND I JUST HAVE TI SIT HERE AND PRETEND LIKE THE FLOOR WASNT RIPPEE BENEATH ME????