#you will never find JK debunking jimin

[mrs-monaghan]

Yeah sure jm is okay with all the hate he gets from taekookers and I'm sure that jk loves him so much and he doesn't care that taekookers hate jimin because.....it's not Jungkook to get dragged all the time 🥺 I'm so glad that jikook love each other and that jk protect jimin 🥺

This ask is either all over the place or you are being sarcastic. Which one is it anon?

Of course JK has an issue with the hate Jimin gets from the vermin. Why do you think he debunks Tkk moments so damn much??

Exhibit a) Let’s start with my all time favourite that no one talks about. ITS 2 V is playing with Bam. Jhope says:

JK doesn't even waste a second before he goes

Another translation would be "he loves everyone" 🤭🤭 That right there was very savage and hot of JK 🤭

Exhibit b) We all know this one where JK cropped himself out of the photo when he wished V a HBD.

Why do u think he did that? 🤔 Why not just share the full picture JK? 😂

Exhibit c) V goes live in JK's house without JK's knowledge

Whats the first thing out of JK's mouth when he comes online a few minutes after?

What u sorry for JK? 🤔

Exhibit d) JK is talking about boxing. V says;

JK is like; sorry bro, that's not what happened 🤭

Exhibit e) JK does a whole thirst trap for Jimin's birthday

V's birthday comes around and what did we hear? Spell it with me guys; C.R.I.C.K.E.T.S

These are just the ones i could remember off the top of my head. There is more. And V knows this. It's why he only talks about Tkk moments when JK is not around.

[dearweirdme]

This jikook vs taekook argument can go on from today till the cows come home but the truth is that, in all the years of bts being together as a group jikook have done things with each other which could support the suspicion of them being more than friends more than anything taekook have ever done.

I find that believing that taekook are a couple has more to do with how people perceive their words and actions as opposed to the things they actually do for and to each other that could possibly point to them being a couple.

All these years, since the very beginning, its always been jimin and Jungkook spending nights together, watching first snow together, being together on couple days and birthdays, doing things for each other they don’t do for other like Jungkook only buying a birthday gift for Jimin, only dedicating a single gcf to Jimin, only making the biggest pancake for Jimin without the latter even asking, spending alot of alone and down time together, being with each other in moments you would expect most people in romantic relationships to be. I mean, i still remember being in the fandom in 2018 when the members did that one magazine interview and this entire fandom grew tired of how much jikook talked about being with each other or mentioned each other. That was the same year Jk talked about spending his new year bowling and doing karaoke with Jimin and that was the same year Jimin got back from Japan after finishing his schedules with Hobi there on Valentines day and was seen with Jk and his friend Ha Sungwoon on the street on their way to an escape room. That was also the same year there were constanst sitings of Jikook together taking taxis, taking trains and around the building where Jk was rumoured to have bought an apartment back then. Even before they travelled to the US for Ptd didn’t Jikook go to get their vaccines together at the same time at the same location?

Apart from all the videos that have been analyzed to death and taekook’s hangouts in chapter two what else could logically support the idea that taekook are a couple? They literally don’t do anything coupley if you take away your perception of them, your assumptions and somethings that you think are true like how you believe you hear them hiding in each other’s lives.

You can pick apart things as much as you like but anybody who isn’t biased who decides to take a closer look at jikook’s and Taekook’s relationship over the years would definitely point to Jikook as the possible couple before they think of pointing to taekook.

Taekookers don’t base their arguments on facts but on their personal feelings about taekook or how they percieve taekook because if tkkrs based their argument on the facts that we’ve gotten over the years, there’s no way you would really believe that taekook is real. You don’t have to believe Jikook either because some things don’t make sense with jikook too but i think jikook would come off more believable than taekook in any court that deals with facts over people’s perception.

I also think it is a bit silly that tkkrs mostly pick one period of time and base all their arguments on like you don’t have any basic knowledge of life and how things ebb and flow in relationships. One particular period hardly confirms or debunks the possibility of something being real or not because even if you are right about Jikook not seeing much of each other in chapter two, how does that change everything they did all the years before and even after that period? You cannot debunk a ship based on a period when things felt off because guess what, maybe things were off with them in real life but that hardly means there was never any relationship there because their history tells a completely different story and unless you want to cancel all the years before chapter two, taekook as a couple just doesn’t make sense bec before chapter two Jk was literally always and i mean always with Jimin. Most of you are new so you didn’t experience the times when there was news of jikook sighting literally everyday. You are only used to taekook’s hangouts in chapter two. That’s all you know. It’s different when you see thijgs unfold and when you get pieces of information about them later. In the future too, all the taekook hangouts in 2023 will seem like a distant insignificant memory to some and everyone will forget about it and focus on who jk spends time with at that point.

Alright let’s tackle some things shall we..

This is not a Tkk vs Jkk argument for me. Jkk the way you see them isn’t real. It’s not a case of trying to discover who’s right.. for me it’s only ever about Tae and Jk and how I feel their relationship manifests itself… jkk has no role in that whatsoever. The ones constantly making this a Jkk vs Tkk situation are you lot. Never flipping ever will you see me go to a Jkk blog to try and convince them about Tae and Jk… it’s a lost cause.. I don’t even care aside from how many of you are the cause of hate in this fandom. Your sides constant way of coming back from someone telling you why Jm and Jk are just friends is to make it about Taekook… as if that’s a valid response to critical notions on your ship?! So please, coming to tkk blogs is useless and you will never make sense to most of the fandom.. it’s honestly not a tkk vs jkk thing.

I suppose we could say that Peach and I are the most active Tkk discussion blogs right now.. and yes we are both relatively new. We are however very able to learn and you claiming that our points of view have no value just because we are new is basically discrediting education as a whole. Sure there’s things we won’t know, but with the huge amount of footage there is, we get a long way. It’s also pretty silly of you to take two blogs as being representative of Tkkrs as a whole… especially when it’s clear that Tkk is the largest and the oldest ship. We as a fandom keep each other in check, by correcting information when someone is wrong… all your fandom does is ignore criticism and blow over critical asks by your own by instantly calling someone a hater if they don’t agree with the general narrative.

Taekookers don’t focus on 2023 alone.. that is again something your fandom has taken as a new argument as to why Tkkrs are wrong. You know why? Because it’s a little too close to comfort to you all. Because the significance of 2023 is ofcourse that it’s the first period of time when BTS members don’t have similar schedules. And out of Tkk and Jkk only Tae and Jk have been consistent in spending time together.. the difference is striking and it must sting a bit. So therefore your side is enlarging Tkkrs views of 2023. It’s ridiculous really, because even before last year there was plenty of Tkkrs convinced. Was 2023 important to us? Yes absolutely, but that was because it cemented our ideas.. it was not what initiated our thoughts at all.

I’m not going into all your Jkk proof stuff, because I’ve done that plenty. Jm and Jk are friends, that explains literally everything they ever did together. It’s not my problem that you all insert romance when there’s none.. and frankly it’s getting boring to hear the same childish stuff all over again. You think you’re the first to tell me these things… 😂😂😂.

The fact that there are more tkkrs than jkkrs is kinda an indication that your proof won’t hold up in court as much as tkk proof would don’t you think? It’s clear you aren’t well versed in Taekook. That alright, I don’t really expect a jkkr to be. But it is pretty weird to talk about all this without actually knowing what you’re talking about right? We can always tell that Jkkrs don’t know what we base our beliefs on. Because you always misrepresent us in your asks and discussions. All your ‘Taekookers believe this and that’s’ are pretty off most times.

Now, be gone please Jkkrs. I’m going back to posting tkk pics again. Enough of the madness.

[floradinterlunium]

Times Tae Debunked Tkkrs and Affirmed Jikook

I know a lot of Jikookers aren’t happy with Tae right now. They hold him responsible for stoking the fire that fuels Tkkrs. And Like I’ve previously stated I’m not one to police peoples feelings or opinions. Your anger is your own, same going for your opinions.However, in the spirit of peace and reconciliation I want to remind everyone of all the times Tae has intentionally and unintentionally debunked Tkk and affirmed Jikook…because he has done so more than any other member.

Tae has a personality that you either choose to hate or you choose to love because he’s an enigma. It’s often times difficult to know if he’s as oblivious as he seems, a genius mastermind that plays the airhead card, a free spirit or all of the above…my vote goes to all of the above! 

There are moments where it’s clear Tae is up to no good and is trying to serve JM and JK their just desert for abandoning him by exposing their location. Other times it seems like he has put zero thought into the implications of his words. However, regardless of his motives (or lack thereof) Tae is pretty good at playing games in the category of “softly exposing Jikook.”

So for funsies lets kick this off with one of Tae’s favorite games called…..

“Whose Room is It Anyway?”

When on tour it appears as though Tae never knows where other members rooms are. He’s either always messaging the group chat to find out where everyone is OR he’s just plain ole confused about whose room he’s in. 

Exhibit A. Osaka V live

I don’t think there’s a jikooker alive that hasn’t heard of this Vlive. However, When most here the words “Osaka” and “V-live” what typically comes to mind is JK clearly muttering the name “Jimin” whilst being butt naked in a dark room listening to sexy time music. 

However, what’s often overlooked is the how and the why we know this sensitive information. You see this gem of a jikook moment came to us for one reason and one reason only and that reason is Kim Taehyung and his childlike innocence (then). 

Tae has never been good at operating solo on his Vlives. He tends to run out of things to say and in this live that’s what happened. He ran out of things to talk about so he called on his fans to give him suggestions. They suggested he go to another members room. But Tae being Tae...didn’t know ANY of their room numbers! Don’t believe me...I have the receipts!

See he didn’t know any of the members room numbers. He texts the group chat to get members room numbers and I guess it was Jin that replied with the members room numbers. Not JK. Jin. Tae decided to go to JK’s room (my guess is because he can pull the hyung card on him and sort of voluntell him to go along) and he messaged JK to let him know he was coming but JK never responded. We know this because when he arrived JK asked him multiple ties what he was doing there. 

Now I won’t analyze this Jikook moment because it’s been analyzed enough. What I want to point out is how in this moment  Tae unintentionally debunked every Taekook claim because HE. DIDN’T. KNOW.JK’s. ROOM. NUMBER!!! 

I don’t know about you but I’m 100% certain that I wouldn’t need a third party to tell me where my boyfriends room was!

Now some may cry...this was just one time...he probably just forgot! And I would respond...haven’t you heard the news????? Tae is the grand champion of the game Who’s Room Is It Anyway!

Don’t believe me? Let’s take a look at a few more examples

Exhibit B. New Jersey Vlive

This moment is another famous Jikook Vlive most known for Jikooks tension. However, when watching this I also noticed that while Tkkers for some reason also like to claim this live as their own, Tae debunks them. I mean he again broadcast his lack of knowledge of where JK’s room is. Take a look for yourself down below .. .

Tae didn’t know whose room he was in. My guess is he thought it was either JM’s or JK’s room.

Now to be fare... a “valid” question does arise...and that question is if he didn’t know JK’s room number, how did he get there??

And to answer that question I’d say he could have done many things including but not limited to texting the group chat...but in reality its neither here nor there because this one simple fact remains...TAE WASN’T CERTAIN OF THE ROOM HE WAS IN! If he were dating JK he wouldn’t need to ask him...he’d know!

How’s the old saying go???

First time can be a mistake.

Second time is a choice.

Third time.. third time is the vminkook live

Exhibit C. Vminkook Live

Again another famous vlive with popular Jikook moments...the most popular moment being Jimin’s TMI where he exposed how frequently JK comes to his room. It was a funny moment...a funny moment that yet again Tae used to debunk Taekook by broadcasting how unfamiliar he is with JK’s room situation.

What boyfriend would so frequently be confused as to where his partner is sleeping? Moreover, why would that same boyfriend confuse his partners room for his best friends?? Hmmm??? Either JK is cheating on Tae with JM and has been for years or JK has never been Tae’s boyfriend!! I’d bet on the latter considering Tae’s jovial expression when admitting to the fact he never knows where JK’s room is!

First time is a mistake

Second time’s a choice

Third time is a habit...a habit that spells out the phrase “GET.OUT.OF.YOUR.IMAGINATION”

Now this next round of Tae Games is pretty spicy. The game is called-->

“Karma’s a B**H ”

When it comes to Jimin, Tae can sometimes act like a jilted bride. He doesn’t like it when Jimin “ditches” him for JK. When this happens Tae sometimes makes a point to call him out …

Exhibit A: The Salty Smirk

I’m not certain if this is Tae punishing JK for keeping his JM from him or punishment for JM for ditching him or BOTH? Either way Tae was not shy about exposing JM’s and JK’s whereabouts (at god awful hours). And he didn’t just expose where they were...he exposed why Jimin wouldn’t join him...

JM wouldn’t be joining Tae because JK wouldn’t let him. UM? What? Jungkook...the maknae, the member with the least amount of seniority is keeping JM, his hyung from hanging out with him on vlive? I don’t think people understand enough how much Tae exposed them here! And that smirk...he knew what he was doing!

It’s not just oh Jimin can’t come because he’s hanging out with JK...it’s no JM can’t come because JK won’t allow him! Let that sit with you for a second! “JK is stopping Jimin from coming!” Tae is strongly insinuating that Jikook’s power structure is outside the normal hyung dongsaeng dynamic.  Tae straight up destroyed any theory that he’s dating JK by exposing Jikook’s relational dynamics. The boy is chaotic!

Exhibit B & C

Again with exhibit B we have Tae exposing Jimin’s whereabouts and why he’s not with him. It seems like Tae is quite salty about getting left at the alter and JM always running off to be with JK?!/!?! Don’t believe me....look below!

Still don’t believe me? Here’s one more moment in which Tae is in the mood for chaos. 

Now, in this moment Tae doesn’t mention why Jimin decides not to join him at the gym but look at his face...look at that smirk!! Doesn’t it remind you of something else??? Maybe it reminds you of Exhibit A. It seems like he is itching to tell us why Jimin didn’t join him but this time chose not to say it aloud but definitely hints at...that smirk can only mean it’s something spicy.

And don’t we later learn that Jikook had many drinks that same night...because they were sending Hobi off??!!?! 

I mean this boy is chaos itself! and We may be like...what the hell happened to this Tae? The Tae that loved debunking his own ship and exposing Jikook!.! 

My response to that is I don’t doubt that Tae still exist seeing that the above photo is recent...he may be  chaotic and irking peoples nerves right now but he really has done a lot to show the world that him and JK are nothing but friends! He has directly debunked tkkers and indirectly debunked them SOOO MANY TIMES! The only way they’d believe him is if photos were leaked of him with someone else....wait! That already happened and they still don’t believe him... I guess now the only thing he can do is come out with it and say he’s dating Jennie...and hell he might! AFTER his album comes out there might be an announcement!? 

I’m actually crossing my fingers that they do make the official announcement after his album drops! But let’s wait and see. In the meantime I am holding my judgement because for years the above Tae is what we got and what we loved! 

There are so many more instances of him debunking his own ship and affirming Jikook but here are just the standouts!

[peachjagiya]

Hi! This is quite a nonserious question but you know the special run episode called Next Top Genius, it was kind of huge deal how Jungkook helped Taehyung despite not being on the same team. It was one of my favorite examples of their relationships and what makes me love it so much! Now I am asking you and any smart taekooker followers of you if anyone understands this because I don't lol! Because when it's revealed Jungkook wasn't on the same team, Namjoon asks him why he was on Taehyung's side (i didn't get it that he could choose, I thought he was like assigned to be a spy but now I don't get it lol) and he answers "I would survive if I tried to win. Because I thought I was going to die if I tried to lose". Tbh I don't get this game or what he means here. But it seems he only helped Taehyung because he thought if he tried to lose, he would get caught as a traitor? Maybe? Or for some other reason that I don't know? I know this was just a game and this isn't a debunking taekook ask or anything lmao but I'm asking if anyone knows more about this because to me this moment was a show of their constant unspoken loyalty the way they are always on each others team. Which they still are to me and maybe Jungkook only said this as an excuse to why he helped Tae. Sorry help I know this isn't very serious and I should just enjoy this moment because Jungkook is putting a lot of emphasis that he only told Taehyung the truth which is very cute of him. But I don't get it lol

I have to confess - this episode had me so confused and I came away not knowing if JK had helped Tae or not. Haha.

They did get assigned a team by drawing names:

So the reason Namjoon asks why he was on Tae's side is because JK was giving Taehyung the correct advice in the first round:

And the second round:

Where he says Jimin didn't change his cards - true, he didn't - and Tae should switch some of his which put Tae into a winning position.

Then he doesn't contribute to either side in final round. All he did was help Tae and if Jimin hadn't changed any cards last minute because Hobi confused him, Tae would have won by taking JK's advice.

As far as I remember, wasn't this a head to head between Jimin and Tae to decide winner? I don't think the team members actually benefitted other than a good feeling:

JK wouldn't have lost anything personally if he had been outed as a traitor. It might have hindered him in how much he could tell Jimin but he doesn't actually ever go to tell Jimin anything anyway. So I'm not sure his explanation makes sense?!

He also gives himself a classic Jungkook playing dumb excuse at the beginning:

Personally, I think he was just coming up with reasons to get away with helping Tae and I don't even think it's very delulu in this instance 😂

I do find it funny though that Tae clocked JK right away:

My favourite bit though is JK's head swinging to catch Tae's reaction when he stands on Jimin's side and his sweet insistence that he never lied. Which is completely true, he never did 🥹

💜 this is the kind of ask I like. Unserious. I love it 😘

[jikookuntold]

thank you for that, I went down a rabbit hole and needed a level headed person to explain. JM and MY seem really close and I guess I found it more believable than other ships. I absolutely adore JK and JM and I cannot, as a new Army, understand how people cannot see their bond and try and find moments that aren’t there with others, or looks or touches or even in a behind the scenes where they say JM was moaning in Sugas room. It’s so disrespectful of all the members to do this. It grosses me out tbh.

You are weclome, and I appreciate your trust in me. That's true, Jimin and Yoongi are very close, and Jimin has sweet moments with Yoongi just like he does with Namjoon, Hobi or Jin as his other hyungs. But the reason Ymners make up and spread disrespectful lies and misinformation like that, is very clear, and it's Ymn being the side ship for Tkk which has the biggest group of shippers in the fandom. They use Ymn to complete and secure their fantasies, and in one way or another, they need to include Jimin in those fantasies.

But how did we come to this? It's kinda complicated. When you are new in the fandom as a shipper, things are a bit confusing because you are not educated enough to fact-check things, and it's difficult to see what's important as a ship moment and what's not. Unfortunately many shippers take advantage of this confusion and lack of knowledge, and manipulate the newcomers with edited, cropped and altered content or totally twisted narratives.

Every new fan has exprienced this manipulation in some level. Even I, as a Jikooker, had noticed that some of the moments I had watched in compilation videos, were cropped or taken out of context. But I never find anything that was changed in a manipulative way or made out of thin air. I'm not claiming that everything Jikookers say is true, but we can claim that when some misinformation starts to spread, it usually gets corrected and doesn't go on for a long time. Some Jikookers even go overboard with this and start to dismiss the legit moments, and that's why we have a big breed of woke Jikooker, which I don't understand why they bother calling themselves Jikooker, but their wokeness is usually the starting point for the process of leaving.

Anyways, I stopped watching YT analysis and even compilation videos after 2019 and followed everything real-time, but after a while, I realized watching original content is not the only thing you need to do. And there are two other things you need to keep in your mind:

1. Ships and being ship focused all the time, ruins your experience as a fan. If you keep being focused on who stands next to whom, who touches whom, who mentions whom, you can't enjoy the content you are consuming. I'm not saying I don't focus on my ship, because I clearly do it in a deep level, but I try to separate it from my experience as a content consumer, that's the reason I have this blog to organize my thoughts and perceptions on Jikook and it help me not to go down into that rabbit hole.

2. Details matter, but you should not get caught up in them. We pay attention to the details when we review and analyze the moments, but not every detail matters. For example, the date on Jimin's freezer screen was an important and clarifying detail in that content, but JK saying "It's been a while" is an insignificant detail. He could have said it as a mere joke, or refering to the house or maybe just two hours of separation from Jimin is a "while" in JK's dictionary, we don't know. We don't know many things, and we can't judge and analyze everything. Fighting with haters who try to debunk these insignificant details has no use and just gives them the sense of victory they are looking for.

When you try to see things as a whole and stop focusing on irrelevant and insignificant stuff, your mind starts to filter out the unimportant facts and moments and detail, and you don't get insecure or defensive when someone questions or even debunks those details. And what remains, is a collection of special, huge and undeniable facts and moments that spoke by themselves. The level of undeniablity is so high here, that the antis need to use conspiracy theories like fanservice and company force to dismiss them. And I think that's very telling.

[stupendousfoxthing]

What do you think is going with this daen n jmn situation? You think she behaving like exo's wife? Or some jilted lover? Think she's gonna respond to all this hate by exposing her relationship?

Well, it's been a situation for a while. It was background noise until last year when Jimin did a live from his apartment and showed a brief glimpse of his bedroom, which matched with pics and videos of a bedroom Daeun posted. Then the documentary was released in October which was when it really started to blow up. That showed his living room and kitchen/dining area which also all matched with pics and videos that Daeun posted. I think a lot of Taekookers saw this but stayed quiet. Daeun just got very very loud about it a week ago. I think that is obviously his apartment. Whatever relationship they have, they were close enough that she spent time in that space. The one thing that makes me think it was/is probably romantic is the "Da Eun <3U" caption on the video because I think Jimin most likely added that. But I'm open minded until they confirm what is going on, if they do. I've seen the clips where she supposedly denied it and I don't see a clear denial. One short clip I can't even tell if she's reading messages or responding to them. If she denied it as clearly as is claimed, why has she been posting pics and videos from his apartment since last year. A lot of people are trying to say she's just a clout chaser who links herself to everyone. This also appears exaggerated because the previous rumors seem to have been quickly officially denied and one was over two pictures matching a couch and pictures of sandwiches she shared with someone she was working with at the time. They're trying to say she pushed a rumor with Jungkook with a collage circling matching items like a dog toy and a Fiji water bottle, but she never pushed anything with him. This is shippers doing this, this is what they do. So if that's her trying to link herself to JK, I guess every idol that has any matching items with another idol is intentionally trying to link themselves. So she somehow matched her apartment to Jimin's that he didn't start revealing until last year, but also all of these pic/videos are older than that (taken around the time the documentary was shot). Those explanations obviously contradict each other. I know she posts pictures and videos from another apartment, and this is also not a denial to me because having separate places would not be odd at all. I think people immediately jumped on the "they live together" narrative and so think if they can prove they don't live together that debunks everything. I don't know what's going on or why she escalated things so much a week ago, but I don't play the "someone in a relationship wouldn't do that" game because we're all humans with complicated feelings. I've done not smart things for (what I thought was) love. In her recent live clips and IG stories she seems fed up with the harassment but not afraid for herself. As far as "to stop the harassment she can just stop what she's doing" goes, if they're actually together how would she stop that. End the relationship? This is an IG account dedicated entirely to hating her, and here's them bragging about finding her in the comments section of her friend's IG and harassing her there until she deleted a post from January that showed her sitting in front of the obviously recognizable couch. I took this screenshot and censored her friend's name.

How much of this would you put up with before you fought back?

[jiminsass-istant]

"Why else did the fandom come up with the all member names theory? Because JM was so IN THEIR FACE that there had to be an explanation for it, right?"

Yup, spot on. No one bat an eye when he showed up with the ARMY tattoo, quite obviously. It was all wu wu it’s cute and so on. Which it was indeed! The theories all went crazy when he then added the J on top of the M. We can all see it, hence the need for another explanation than the first rational one 99% of us come up with: the JM refers to… Jimin. As it always did and still does in BTS context. And from a Korean pov the J in itself doesn’t make much sense, Jungkook’s initials are JK, not J. He was never referred as J before and still isn’t. (And yes for that specific case I think he didn’t tell the truth when he was asked about his tattoos and brushed away this one quickly saying it’s for his name. For very obvious reasons, but I know I could get canceled just for saying this ahem).

I personally have 2 tattoos referring to my birth date + birth place and it’s not that uncommon but tattooing your own initials on your ring finger? Never heard of it before lol seems all a bit narcissistic at this point lol. But I mean, who knows… some people just have weird tattoos, to each their own. Just, as you said JK isn’t an idiot. He knows exactly what it looks like. Just like he knew exactly how GCF in Tokyo looked like, and so on. When you look at the big picture, everything is quite clear imo.

Clubbing another anon here:

Anon #1 you are right, I also feel like I should get cancelled for this lol. But what do I do, even from a non-shipping lens, it is what it is. I'm not blind, and I have an interest in design and photography myself. And dear anon, thanks for sharing about your tattoos.

Same for anon #2 , he never refers to himself as J. Always JK. And both jikook and BTS have referred to Jimin as JM.

I think the issue here is, most people refuse it and are more focused on finding reasons to debunk it, because this can lead to a ship being too real and not just for funs and giggles. But I really feel that to understand jikook, you have to look at them from a best friend POV first. How much they mean to each other. Then these kind of gestures like the tattoo and GCF T wouldn't be such huge topics of discussion.

Would I make a video of my bestie with a romantic song in the background ? Sure! Would I post it for the entire world to see where I have millions of fans? I WOULD TAKE A STEP BACK TO THINK.

My favourite part from GCF tokyo *sobs*

[beautifulpersonpeach]

Honestly those of us who don't fall for solo rhetoric or conspiracy theories could see this coming, but it still feels so reassuring to have this. Especially as chapter 2 has been filled with uncertainty and we've still got some more temporary goodbyes coming up.

What a beautiful day though to spend time listening to BTS's discography whilst looking forward to whatever awaits both leading up to 2025 and then beyond that!!

*

Ask 2:

BPP I've been going through all your FACE and Seven era posts and I just want to say thank you for having this blog. I checked a few PJMs pages and it amazes me they still keep repeating the same lies and theories that have been debunked over and over:

'Hybe worked with Billboard to sabotage Jimin but save NewJeans' (No both artists were screwed over)

'Hybe never acknowledge Jimin's BB1 win' (No it was acknowledged and announced on their twitter, and celebrated at their investor meeting and you can find the presentations online)

'Hanteo only deleted Jm's sales and gave no explanation or statement' (No every member and other groups have this issue and (bs) statements were issued in Hobi's, Jimin's and V's cases due to Army and solo backlash)

'Hybe prevented Jimin from having a cake' (No Taehyung said how Hybe offered him cake but he chose to decline it and said that unprompted after PJMs screamed for months about a damn cake)

'Hybe refused to stock CDs for only Jimin' (No, groups and singers like Enhypen, TXT, Namjoon, V, are dealing with shipping and stocking issues not only Jimin)

'Hybe chose JK as the golden goose' (No wth does this even mean? Don't these people realize their solo careers don't end in 2025?)

Like you said, they spin a web of delusions and half truths and mindlessly repeat it like a mantra to assure them their fave in BTS is so badly mistreated he needs their help for his career to survive. It's such a bizarre mindset and one I've only seen from q-anon people who think every child is being trafficked and needs rescuing from people across the political isle. Just bizarre to see adults throw away logic and common sense to think like this.

Thank you again for your blog. It helped me survive the constant barrage of conspiracy theories and doomposting from PJMs and the heavily biased who gave them space to run amok with their madness here.

***

Lol the fun isn't over just yet. Jung Kook still has his solo debut, Jimin's documentary is still coming, and awards season is around the corner. All of which will provide more fuel for the most demented in the fandom. I keep saying, BTS akgaes by definition occupy a headspace that's removed from the reality we all see. There's a reason taekookers move more like akgaes than regular shippers, it's because they're functionally the same. And like I keep saying, you're severely underestimating the ability of these people to delude themselves. I don't mind it too much since as far as I'm concerned, it's entertainment, but it does get annoying to constantly repeat publicly available information to people who choose to drink that koolaid, and who only come up for air when announcements like this shock them awake (though it's only for a short time before they fall down the same thought patterns again).

Fun times ahead in Boraland, Ami.

[entropic-fantasy]

I'm going to say it a million times until all these butt-hurt solo stans and akgaes get it:

Just because Jungkook got a treatment that seems preferential (I'll add to this later), doesn't mean that none of the other members got a similar offer from Hybe nor that the company is preparing to turn from a BTS focus to a JK one.

We don't know ANYTHING about the behind the scenes negotiations, but we know something:

All members re-signed with Hybe, even having shares in the company. BTS could've split and made an unbelievably beneficial deal with one of the other companies because they're BTS. They are incredibly powerful, and you bet they have just as incredible lawyers. They could've founded their own label easily, if nothing would have been to their liking. BUT THEY STAYED. BTS aren't weak teens, unable to fend for themselves. They never had issues with standing up for their beliefs, which is why they stood out, and still continue to, from other Kpop acts.

The relationship between OT7 hasn't fallen apart. I've seen so many speculations about "oh, Vmin aren't close anymore" because of ONE hug. A speculation that was promptly debunked in a BangtanBomb. They all support one another whenever they can, and especially behind the scenes. No matter what Canon and motives certain parts of this fandom are trying to establish. I'm adding shippers onto the Solo-Stans and akgaes here, because it often are the more accepted shipping spaces that seem to give a platform to a lot of the harmful rethorics (i.e. the mistreatment of Jimin and Tae in comparison to Jungkook etc).

Every member has had his moment to shine. All 7 of them could've gone on a world tour like Yoongi did, and sold out. With ease. All 7 of them would've slayed a more US focused album promotion like Jungkook. Yes, there was certainly forecasts and finance meetings because Hybe are a company which BTS are employed by. But, again, BTS aren't mindless puppets. They didn't get where they are if they didn't stand up for themselves. So, at some point, they said no. What I find especially insidious are the people constantly focusing on the maknae line and trying to prove mistreatment while ignoring the releases of the hyungs/rapline. For certain issues people keep pointing out (restocking CDs) I have also seen posts from other fandoms saying similar things. Also: dear US-Army, the world doesn't revolve around you. Sincerely, an EU-Army that hasn't seen BTS live since before the pandemic.

Sorry to everyone who disagrees but I see Jungkook's success as a bonus to the entirety of BTS. A win for one of them is a win for the team. Everyone from OT7 had that effect, bringing in different subgroups and music fans into the fold. And no matter how much I myself f.e. love D-Day and Face, I also know that Jungkook has by far the biggest starpower apart from the group. They're ALL charismatic and beautiful, talented and intelligent, yet it's always Jungkook that has been shoved into the limelight by everyone else. It wasn't Hybe that gave him so many followers on Instagram, or TikTok. So many people online are quick to make his success a character flaw, assigning narratives and traits onto him, when we should be celebrating him like his hyungs are celebrating him.

Hybe isn't perfect. But there's no reason to vilify them or Jungkook until there is factual, irrefutable evidence and not just "trust me bro" rumours.

We don't even know what the JK brand is going to be - as far as I'm aware, at least. So let's hold our collective horses and not jump the gun.

I trust BTS 100%. I trust these full grown adults, who have been fighting their way upwards through an industry stacked against them for 10 years.

I trust Namjoon's intelligence.

I trust Seokjin no-bullshit attitude.

I trust Yoongi's tenacity.

I trust Hoseok's austerity.

I trust Jimin's fighting spirit.

I trust Tae's quiet strength.

And I trust Jungkook's perfectionism.

BTS don't do inequality - not after they fought so much to become the very sunbaenims they never had in the cutthroat industry of kpop. They run, and fight and pave the way.

To quote Haegeum:

Endless influx of information prohibits freedom of imagination, and seeks conformity of thought

All these painful noises blind you, and

Now it even infringes on freedom of thought

All the controversy incessantly

Triggers confusion in judgment uh

Really, what is it exactly that’s been restricting us?

Maybe we do it to ourselves

Slaves to capitalism, slaves to money

Slaves to hatred and prejudice

Slaves to YouTube, slaves to flexin’

Selfishness and greed have gone off the rails

I close my eyes and it's easy, it’s all so obvious

Opinions clearly split depending on what's to gain

Everyone's been blinded by envy and jealousy

Without realizing that they're putting shackles on each other

[dearweirdme]

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Wait but what is the difference between this conversation and Taekook’s ITS talk? Y’all have been the ones always talking about how Jikook is a ship pushed by the company and how the travel show was for fanservice and how the ITS talk was obviously scripted because why would the members choose to talk about feeling distant on camera? So I ask what is the difference? Why would the company that pushes Jikook and hides taekook air moments of Jikook talkinh about not calling each other? If jikookers choose to say Jikook were just pretending you would judge them even though all of you refused to acknowledge the ITS talk and called it scripted. If Jikookers choose to call this talk scripted too? Because some of y’all couldn’t accept that the ITS talk was real because Taekook were still very physically affectionate for two people who felt awkward but here we have Jimin and Jk openly admitting that they didn’t keep in touch with each other but we still see them caring for each other, cuddling and smacking asses like no man’s business. If anything, this just proves that the ITS talk was never scripted as y’all would like to believe. one of the things that makes BTS so loved is how relatable they are. They have never only tried to show us just the good image. They don’t mind if we know that they have good and bad times. They don’t mind if we know that sometimes they get distanced or are not in the best place. Also I hope that from now, y’all will stop calling Jikook fanservice because it is clear that anything they do, they do because they want to and not because they are forced or mandated to by contracts. They also clearly don’t have an agenda to feed shippers or let people think they are in a romantic relationship because if they did, they wouldn’t say certain things on camera. Bighit also isn’t hiding taekook because if they were they wouldn’t air Jk’s call to Tae only to clearly cut out the conversation Tae had with Jimin (we could clearly see Jk taking the phone back from Jimin but the conversation between Vmin was cut. I wonder if that is because BH is hiding Vmin too)

Jikook is not real. Taekook is not real. They are all just friends who go through the ebb and flows of life. Taekook went through a distant moment and in recent years we see that they have worked on that. Jikook also clearly did and we have to wait for the future to see how things would evolve with them.

In one of your posts you said Jikookers focus on the big moments and ignore the little things but that is not something only jikookers do. Taekookers do it too. As a matter of fact, I am sure that in the vminkook episode next week, Tae and Jk might alod say things which debunk the idea of them being a couple but y’all will ignore it too and focus on any other sweet moments we get. Y’all have literally been ignoring the things they’ve been saying for the longest time and finding ways to explain them away. Like now you are coming back at jikookers by talking about jikook talking about drinks as if Taekook literally didn’t say the same thing on ITS. Jk said he had once invited Tae out to drinks but Tae didn’t go. They also spoke about not seeing each other at all during a month - 6 week long break. They talked about how they started feeling some distance and awkwardness after they started spending time apart but these are things you all ignored and you try to come up with timelines to disprove their words. So tell me, how different are you from jikookers because you are scrambling just as much as jikookers are right now.

Hi anon!

Bahaha, I bet Jkkrs are gonna like you comparing the Jkk talk to the ITS talk 😂.

So, I've seen this in my inbox a few times now.. mostly in rude asks.. I don't particularly like your tone, but I still wanted to talk about this. I'm fully aware you will not agree or see my point of view. I highly suspect that even though you might not be a Jkkr you have you strong own bias talking here.

I'm just gonna go rogue here. Jkk and Tkk are not the same. Jkkrs and Tkkrs are not the same. Our ideas about relationships and life and queerness and the music industry are different.

Jkkr's basically believe in the 'private not secret' idea. They think BH supports them and that Jm and Jk are able to be romantic and engage in sexual behvior on screen. That is because Jm and Jk had little to no limitations to how they were able to interact. They are pushed forward both as singers and as a friendship duo, and their ship is being pushed by the company. There are no mysteries, everything is clear. It's an unrealistic way of thinking about a queer couple in the biggest band from a homophobic country. I don't care if you think Jkkrs and Tkkrs are alike.. Jkkrs are actually insane for beliveing what they do about South Korea and the music industry and how they would deal with a queer couple. They are insane for thinking a queer couple from BTS would enlist together. I can forgive them for not being able to see through the differences between skinship and romance and friendship, but I cannot excuse them for being absolute idiots about how the world works.

Jkkrs (and you apparently) love the idea of the company allowing BTS members to be honest. That is such bs though. Idols have images to uphold. They will have actual clauses in their contracts that prohibit them from saying and doing things that will damage their image. This is true for most artists, if you think kpop artists (or BTS in particular) are exempt from those clause, you are naive. Kpop is known for their harsh contracts. We have seen how BH treated the members. They are not their friends. I think these days things are better. I think BTS is of such standard now that they have earned some freedom, but they are still under contract. BTS members are as honest as they can be with us, but they themselves have said that there are limits to what they can share.. and I absolutely think those limits firmly entail their relationships and sexualities.

While there are some Tkkrs who think Tae and Jk are 'private not secret', I think most would agree that they are a closeted couple. We have seen signs of them being in love, which made us believe they are in a closeted relationship. Everyone who knows about queer artists who have formerly been closeted, knows that it comes with lies. It isn't pretty, it's sad.. and it's hurtfull. But if you believe in the possibility of there being queer idols (and seriously, you'd be a fool not to believe that), you have to believe that some idols are at the moment closeted. I simply believe, that in order for Tae and Jk to stay closeted, measures were taken. The ITS talk having been one of them.

It isn't a case of looking at the ITS talk as an isolated event and thinking, that's fake. But in context, it just makes no sense. What makes sense though, is how the ITS talk is a continuation of how there has consitently been a push to have Tae and Jk look distant. I'm not going to go into a full discussion on the ITS talk, you can search my tags for that.. I have done so quite enough times.

So how are we different from Jkkrs? Our use of proof, context and understanding of bonds between members, our understanding of the music industry, our understanding of relationships, our understanding of friendships... and we're probably funnier too 😜

[irishhorse-blog]

"jikook can't be a couple because they behave too much like one, when they're supposed to be hiding" no they're not??? they aren't obligated to hide, and they aren't behaving too much like a couple, they're doing just enough to insinuate that they are without explicitly saying it.

"we don't see taekook acting like a couple bc they keep that behaviour for when there's no cameras" and how would YOU know? are you a fly on the walls of their houses?? tkkrs reasons to ship tk is based on assumptions that there's more to them happening beyond what they let us see. while our reasons to ship jikook is that they actually behave like a couple without explicitly saying it, which leaves room for deniability, that tkkrs love to take advantage of.

jikook are being themselves and it's up to each individual to choose if they wanna see things for how they are or if they're gonna deny it to hell and make 162837292 theories that debunks jikook's bond and the way it looks.

tkkrs think it makes more sense to tell someone "i know jikook act like a couple, but let me tell you 100 theories that explain why they aren't one" and "ik taekook seem more tame and never do anything that shows they're a couple, but let me tell you 100 theories explaining why their seemingly platonic skinship is actually more than that but they're just hiding it. i have no actual proof that they do more behind the scenes but dude trust me"

one gotta make up a thousand theories to make taekook make sense when jikook makes sense just upon initial observation. you watch any jikook compilation and you'll find the editors (for the most part) not interfering with the moment and just letting you see it for how it is, and it always MAKES SENSE, for those who aren't willfully blind of course.

while watching any taekook compilation will give you moments that never stand out as something suspicious or beyond friendship levels, but the editors always gotta put in their two cents on what they BELIEVE is going on at that moment, treating it as a fact and acting like they're inside taekook's heads.

you got jkkrs stating how jk sucked jm's ear while tkkrs theorize on why it's normal between friends. you got jkkrs stating that jm gave jk a hickey while tkkrs theorize on how it wasn't actually jimin who did it. you got jkkrs stating how jk edits his GCFs in a way that highlights jimin, especially during certain lyrics or filters, while tkkrs downplay jk's intelligence in effort to debunk any special meanings related to jm. you got jkkrs stating how jk gives jm special treatment on his weverse lives and how jimin is the only member jk streams all his releases, watches compilations of, keeps up with his interviews/performances/MVs, but tkkrs are theorizing on why jimin isn't actually special to jungkook even if he's on live giggling kicking his feet to jimin videos, jungkook's special person however is one that jungkook never does the same for.

it's actually crazy how many hoops they gotta jump through to convince themselves that taekook is real when all they're doing is basing their beliefs on theories from fans who know as much as we do. it's crazy to me that tkkrs would rather be confused every time jk or tae do something and try to explain how it fits in the grand theme of taekook's storyline no matter how confusing and out of place it seems, when being a jikooker is much easier because jikook are very consistent and direct and it doesn't take fan theories to realize what's going on between them.

jk only watches jm content on live? jm must special then. see? easy.

jungkook made a GCF for jimin with queer coded lyrics? damn, they might be dating.

jimin gave jungkook a hickey?? TWICE??? they must make out/fuck.

jimin wasn't fazed when jungkook sucked his sweaty ear on stage? he must do that a lot.

jikook spend their birthdays together? they must really love each other.

jungkook went live for hours on White Day? a couple holiday in Korea? his partner must've been out of town then

jungkook speaks informally to jimin and jimin only? they must consider each other as equals then

jikook wore matching clothes on valentine's day? and they watched the first snow together (a couple's tradition in korea)? they must be a couple then.

jikook flirt constantly? jungkook especially doesn't flirt with anyone except/as much he flirts with jimin? they must be attracted to each other then.

jungkook's body is always unconsciously pointing towards jimin? he's obviously interested in jimin then.

IT'S SOOOO EASY!! WITH JIKOOK EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS SO EASY. i don't get why people willingly torture themselves by trying to disprove them??? do you hate the idea of them possibly being together that much??? if so then you need to ask yourself why, and QUICKLY.

613% agree.

I don't understand why they put themselves through all the logical gymnastics. They're gonna sprain something.

[stormblessed95]

Stormy, let’s gist for awhile

I have two questions in which I need clarification:

1. When jiminie posted those beach pictures last year… I read that he captioned it implying that he was alone. He was obviously with at least 3 members. What was the point in him feeling the need to put it out there that he was alone which was easily debunked when others posted the pictures? I was offline during this period so I didn’t know the story behind those pictures but I recently came across a thread on Twitter which brought this question back to me. I guess he doesn’t want us to know right?

2. I checked your master list and I couldn’t find this particular discussion… jimin’s vlive back in 2020 when he randomly called jin. Do you really think that was JK’s voice? I’m hoping you know the vlive I’m talking about. These two questions have been on my mind lately as I’ve been going through jikook past contents lately. Thanks in advance 💜💜

Hi!

1) Jimin posted to Weverse in November photos of him at the beach and a video of him with his feet in the water. Original posts/translations linked here for you

Hobi made comments on each post/moment on Weverse, talking about how Jimin knows about vibes, and about how "he told me he almost died because of the cold" on the feet in the ocean video. Lol

And then a week later, on Twitter, someone (hypothesis of ARMY is that it's either Tae or JK, but possibly Jimin too - doubted though since Jimin always claims his twt posts with his hashtag, so 95% likely its either tae or jk who posted) posted the maknae line photos at the same beach. Caption "I want to go back there"

Hobi also posted at the beach too on Weverse with a video, armys claimed to have seen him there since it was earlier in the day though and that he was alone with staff at the beach

So ultimately what this comes down to is that people made lots of assumptions and we don't truly know. We have options. Either Jimin went alone the first time and it was just him and his staff/bodygaurds and he posted about how quiet and peaceful and alone the beach was. And so therefore he brought the members back with him on an additional beach trip because how nice to go somewhere and not get stared at, photographed, videoed, whispered about, etc etc and just get to fully relax at the beach. (Because yeah they aren't going to go without staff and/or bodygaurds at a minimum in a foreign country, lol cmon).

Or he was there with the other members and when he stated how alone and quiet the beach was, it wasn't him lying at being alone (because again, staff too) or that the members weren't there, but rather a commentary on the lack of the general public on the beach and how it was time to him/themselves. And he just didn't feel the need to mention the others because the point of his posts was HIM relaxing at the beach. Not him trying to trick anyone either way this went.

And for Hobi, he clearly also went alone at some point (with staff/bodygaurds) and perhaps joined the maknaes too for their beach trip (either Jimins second one with the other members or his first and they were all there the whole time)

Regardless, it's all clearly the same beach lol. And they all clearly loved it and loved having time out and about in public ALONE, together and/or separately. And not having to worry about everyone and everything else watching their every move. And we never would've known about these late night beach trips (minus Hobis) if they hadn't told us. Jimin even made one of his photos from that night his wallpaper! They clearly had an amazing time. And I love that they got to have that private time together out and about.

Ultimately, does it matter if Jimin went alone once and then again with the members... or went with some of the members each time he went? Or if they went 8 times during the week and we only know of a few times? I don't think so. But I hope that helped a little even if all it really comes down to is "who knows and who cares, it's really nice they did it!" Lol

2) idk where you checked on my masterlist for that post, but it was under "vlives" topic lol, I'll link it here for you

Hope the post is helpful too! Hope everyone has a good day!

[parkminijiminie]

"Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but it makes me sad that a poor quality video was enough for some to drop JK and call him names."

I’m tired of reading this tbh. Some of us think the video is probably real and we don’t call JK names? I haven’t seen Demini and their anons calling him names, or did I miss something? We just think the video is real and it makes us question our previous opinion about Jikook, which in the end we know nothing about or not even 5% of their lives. Sure, some ppl might call him whatever but I haven’t seen any of that around here? Again, we just think the video is real and JK was with that girl and their privacy was invaded. As for me I have 0 idea if she was a fling or a friend, but it does very much look like JK and its apartment, come on. And the amount of ppl focusing on details like the window bay when we all know angles can trick our minds big time is weird. Remember when the very first taennie pic was leaked? The one in the car? So many armys were trying so hard to debunk it, saying it was an edit using a pic of Tae from in the Soop or whatever… well that aged well. I’m not saying the video is 100% real, who knows, could be a hoax, but honestly.. let’s be real, it looks legit. And JK is more than allowed to bring a woman into his apartment, he’s a grown adult, he does whatever he wants with his own private life and I think we’ve all been pretty clear on this blog that the problem was his privacy being invaded. A lot of us are Jikookers who are trying to consider all possibilities here, and if it turns out JK was involved with that woman then good for him. As for me I see no problem with him dating someone else than Jimin even though I used to be pretty hellbent on them being a thing. Well, now I try to take a step back and look at things as objectively as I can. I’m so disappointed in Jikookers pitting at eo and calling us names because we think the video is real. Stop with the cult like mentality.

Thank you for this. It got so tiring always talking about that video and why it can't or can be real. First was the security system, then the couch, the windows.... like, can we put it to rest, please? I did this post to address the 🪟 because I constantly get asks about it, and this is the last time I will engage in conversations about the videos's authenticity unless some new information comes up.

Yes, I believe this is JK and his apartment. No, I don't know who that woman is and what her deal with JK was. I don't have a problem with JK engaging with women, and I wouldn't call him any names ever over it because it is not my business to judge him. It's completely fine and reasonable to wonder, though, what Jikook's relationship is in light of this new information. I see so many accounts acting like people are idiots for thinking this may be JK or that Jikook were not together then, or maybe were never together to begin with, or trying to make some "conclusions" over the nature of their relationship.

We can't "conclude" anything because we know too little, and shipping is like walking a path blindly. You start in one direction, thinking you will find a meadow because you feel grass underneath your feet, but then you end up in a lake. We can only make assumptions based on clues from the partial information we have. The key is that we should be objective while doing it. I see too many people comfortably showing clear subjectivity in their "analyses" by taking small, unrelated things and turning them into a narrative, and then denying everything that may counterpose it.

To me, these types of people are delusional, have no critical thinking, basic logic, or science understanding. In real life and in science, when you are exploring a hypothesis, your deductions should come from the evidence and information you are presented with and not the other way around. If new information becomes available, some of those deductions may turn out to be incorrect. You accept it and continue with your theory in a way that best explains all the data you have available now. Simple.

[ask-serendipity-sky]

It's confirmed Jisoo and her actor bf broke up after 3 months of dating because of busy schedule. Just 3 months. This is the reality of kpop relationships especially if they both are celebs. Mostly it's hookups but if they somehow get past that stage it usually lasts from 2 months - 1 - 2 years. There there's shippers believing Jimin and JK are in a relationship for past 5-6 years ? Even if shippers are dumb and ignorant of reality, I don't think JK and JM are. When they can literally have anyone they want they are NOT chosing to stay with a single person for their whole life. Please let's be real.

Now I'm wondering whether the woman with JK in apt was indeed his gf but ex. It happened in Feb- March period. It was leaked after 5 months. Probably he broke up before that so he didn't lied when he said he doesn't have a gf and just wanna focus on work now. Remember he wasn't doing any work then. Whether it was ex or not, this is the reality of kpop relationships now you decide whether you wanna believe these two young men, who are busy af and have ton of other options, is choosing to stay with each other.

Hi anon,

YES! I HAVE DECIDED TO BELIEVE THAT JIKOOK IS TOGETHER! But you already know that so why bring me this thinking you will make me see the light?

Why are you not done trying to debunk them in my blog? Seriously. All your "proof" is nothing concrete.

Yes, Jisoo appears to have split with her boyfriend but that means nothing, really. People break up everyday but people also make it through years and years together.

If you think about real life relationships, the longer you've been with someone, the more you are willing to make things work too. If you want to be realistic, right?

Oh, and if you want to be realistic, Taeyang met his wife in 2004, married her in 2008, and is still married to her in 2023. That's the happy reality too.

Perhaps Jimin and Jk found in each other what they will never find in anyone else. Well, that shouldn't even be a "perhaps". I've yet to see either of them behave the way they do with anyone else. All the connections they have is only stuff that can happen to them. The chemistry is only palpable between them.

Yeah, perhaps they would break up and last a few months too if they were basic af but jikook is complex and some people just don't see it.

And that's fine if you don't, but the some of us do so your argument is nonexistent.

Now, get of my lawn!

:)

[sizzlingpatrolfox]

Hey, so I'm new to your blog, and what I've been reading so far is very interesting. I'm also a joker but a very sane one 🙃😭. Anyways, I came into the fandom late and was immediately attracted to jikook because of all the ships I've seen so far (and I have NEVER shipped anyone because I just didn't see what others did) jikook was the most suspicious I have ever seen. And like i said, I'm a sane joker because a lot of moments that jikookers believe in, I debunk real quickly because I actually have common sense and logical reasoning. Like for me, I'm still so confused about the jm flying in for jk bday for a couple hours and then leaving....I was like, "Huh? 🤔" It didn't make no damn sense. There's some other instances that make me 50/50 (because that's what I am, I have no definite possibility of knowing or not knowing, so I'm just leveled. It's what keeps my sanity, and it helps with seeing through a biased mindset. ) but like you said, the good times outweigh the bad. With the 2nd chapter, it's very hard to see anything because there's no content. Things HAVE changed, sad as it is because I didn't get that jikooker experience in real time.

But I wanted to ask you, you said that in early 2021, you realized then that things changed. Can you say exactly what your breaking point was? A lot of times when people are asked that, they mention a compilation of moments but I want to know what EXACTLY was the moment that made you say "okay, alright...that was it...no more".

(Btw... you can call me Night Anon, since I'll be here regularly 😭😭. I really like when I can have a discussion with sane jokers (well, you're not a joker anymore, but you understand)).

Hello Night Anon, it's been so long. I used to keep in drafts some replies to post them later as to not have so many consecutive posts talking about the same thing, and this is one that I never got around to posting.

There were two specific moments that I remember:

First it was Jungkook not knowing of Jimin's 7 tattoo.

Second one was him saying on vlive that Taehyung's the most handsome person he's ever seen.

A lot of other things happened before, in between, and after but I think those two were the moments that really broke something and damaged beyond repair my opinion of their relationship, especially from Jungkook's side.

I'm aware the tattoo one could be "debunkable". Maybe he acted like he didn't know/remember, but to me it's a extremely weird thing to lie about. Normal, mature, sensible, logical way of going about it was Hoseok. Hoseok got asked on live about Yoongi's tattoo and he said "Yoongi has to be the one to show you". Jungkook listed everyone's tattoos (even Jin's, who hadn't really shown it before) and then was like "no idea about Jimin's". I always took the things they said and did to face value and accepted it. In 6 years I was never one to be dissecting and trying to find a hidden meaning or reason for why they did or said certain things. If it happened, it happened. I was always capable of accepting the things they said even when I would've liked to believe something different. So I accepted that he didn't know or remember about Jimin's tattoo because that was what Jungkook said.

As for the second time; pardon my french but if someone's eating my pussy on the regular, I won't go live in front of millions and say "actually, her best friend is the most beautiful human being I've ever seen". There was no excuse, there's still no excuse. Maybe it's just me and my silly female brain who takes respect and loyalty too seriously like that.

Then, another thing that was "smaller" but it was always at the back of my mind, was Jimin. He used to pretend like he was about to "kiss" JK, right? And it was actually limited to JK only, it wasn't something he did with/to other members. But then he started doing that same thing with Taehyung (memories 2021), and also with Hoseok during his bday live this year. I just never thought Jimin of all people would do stuff like that, even as a joke, if he was in a relationship.

[jiminsass-istant]

"Of course a tkker LOL. So tuned in. Are they from india too? the big jk page? No wonder they saw it first. So tuned in."

They have to be a tkkr cause she said she was on Disney scrolling nd bs and saw the trailer, and as far as i have seen it was only released on Indian side (which is now deleted so mistake by their side) so she has to be an Indian. I actually have her blocked for 2 yrs now lol but didn't know she's an Indian.. I have her blocked cause i saw her tkkr ass getting exposed so i had her blocked for 2 yrs. It also ain't surprising cause as an Indian i can assure you if u see Indian armys 90% of the times it's a tkkr/tkk biased. I feel ashamed that most of my country's BTS fans are tkkrs and damn DeLuSiOnAl like where the fk y'all get that level of delusionalness? There's a say that filo Tkkrs and desi tkkrs are the worst and i agree.

Whenever i have seen those tkkrs' videos be it on any sns i always wondered where have they gotten that DeLuSiOnAl level cause how do you make edits saying "OMG jk is pissed he's jealous" all because someone put hand on tae's shoulder??????? That too his own members????????? Cause our industry is not really that conservative like korean industry you know, celebraties here are pretty much open/free with eachother, working together despite being exes n all. So where do these ppl are getting this idea of Big celebraties like BTS(it's ridiculous even for usual ppl but even ridiculous to say that for celebraties since they're used to cause they work in entertainment industry) that are soo big worldwide are getting jealous over such bs thing?? Idk man i never involved myself into indian side of armys cause i know how it's gonna unfold for me..so i don't like being in their spaces. All shit i have seen from them is because they're everywhere, never because i have involved myself with their side. Ppl wish to find armys in their area while i feel opposite lol.

https://x.com/protectjimin13/status/1746591187211866411?t=XXeI2qh3iALeucS7lnS0Lw&s=19

Her azz being jm nd jkk anti and still denying lol. Sorry for the rant but comes sometimes cause as harsh as it sound i kinda hate Indian BTS army. I know i shouldn't generalize but what can u do when 90% is same? Like i literally had to block BTS everywhere so i don't get exposed to the shit i have been (not just cause of Indian tkkrs but tkkrs in general) like I'm traumatized.

Hi Anon! Namaste!

It's okay to rant. But no more attention to those antis once that travel show drops okay?

I blocked that JK page today. I'm also from Asia, so I understand when you say that it's most likely that a 'fan' from here might be a tkkr. That's why I only have a small circle of lke 2-3 army friends and I dont even tell people I am one unless I fully get to know how they engage with bts. I have a friend who gets a lot of TK tiktoks on her feed. And it was me who introduced her to all ships tiktoks lol. I had to tell her that all ships have edits like this, TK is just more famous. A few times, i even debunked edits which she thought were real. Even though she's not a streamer, at least she appreciates Jimin and doesn't hate on him, and is not delulu.

I have blocked tons of TK pages lol.

But i believe there is a rising number of Indian jimin lovers-

WHO has topped their weekly international song chart, a record held only by V, JK and RM. So this is something good.

So let's stay positive lol. You have us always.