#yes jikookers and taekookers are the same

[rainbowsuitcase]

Please ignore this ask if you're not in the mood for a rant!

HEY hi hello, hope you're having a great day!

I came across your blog when you interacted with this one jikooker who is advocating day and night against ff and taekookers and saw that you too were confused by the fact that she, a grown adult, can't separate fiction from reality and constantly shames people for it.

But also, how does this person not realize how much of a hypocrite she is? She's obviously a shipper. Good for Jimin and Jungkook if they truly are together, but they never once came out/admitted to dating each other. The same goes for JK and Tae. There isn't a single member of BTS that ever publicly admitted to dating another member. So whether it's a taekooker or a jikooker, or any other shipper for that matter, what's the difference?

Speaking of shipping, she follows Jikook fic rec accounts. Which is surprising since she's so against fanfiction, but I guess since it caters to her interest it's okay, right?

It's the same issue with the accounts she always posts for people to report, always taekooker accounts but NEVER Jikookers. In fact. she follows dozens of them.

And isn't it funny that she, a shipper who does nothing but post content to try and invalidate her ship, has venmo and paypal while most ff writers on here post their content for free?

Sorry if this was long but I just had to get this off my chest when I saw someone in her comments being as confused as me.

From my experience, a lot of shippers are hypocrites, thought the hyprocisy that shippers in the bts fandom practice is a new one for me. A lot people accuse fic writers of fetishizing, and lots of other stuff, but it’s people like this that are the real problem, because they don’t have boundaries.

I personally couldn’t care less if any of the members are actually queer or dating anyone, in or outside the group, but it’s fun to imagine. It’s shippers who take that imagining a step further into the creepy, weird and obsessive.

Could you get back to me and tell me the name of the blog? I'm sure I know who you’re talking about, but I'd like to make sure I have them blocked.

Thank you for the ask!

[floradinterlunium]

What The Perilla Leaf Debate Revealed. . .

The Maknae line is the “more” jealous line, whereas the hyung line is well...not!

Jimin, Jungkook, and Tae all expressed reservations with the question, “Is it okay for your significant other to peel Perilla leaves for a friend when you are there Or is it okay for your friend to peel perilla leaves for your SO when you are present.” JK was the most vocal about how this would 100% not be okay with this. The second most adamant was Tae. Tae was trying to convince everyone why this would be crossing the line by finding analogies like peeling shrimp and exchanging saliva via chopsticks. It was clear that JM too would not be okay because he tried to help RM see why this would be wrong...he also said why would my friend do it if I’m the boyfriend. 

The HYung line on the other end was confused as to why this was even a debate. RM found the conversation silly, Hobi reasoned that if we trust each other then such a thing shouldn’t be a big deal, Yoongi didn’t see it as a big deal unless there was heavy flirting involved, and Jin was the loudest about how this debate aggravated him because it wasn’t a big deal. 

Now why do I bring this up! Well I bring this up because people love to paint this picture of the maknae line being in this weird love triangle. Or mainly, toxic taekookers like to paint both Tae and JK as these nonchalant boyfriends. Tae doesn’t care about the fact that JK made a romantic ass vlog of JM or spends hours late at night with JM giving him hickeys, sucking JM’s ear right in front of him etc. JK doesn’t care that Tae self admittedly hangs out with Wooga squad more, doesn’t show up to his birthdays, and doesn’t mind not talking to him for two months. However, this debate shows if they were in fact dating...THEY WOuLD BOTH 100% care about all of this.

 TAe was salty about sharing chopsticks and peeling shrimp...he said he’d fight his friend if this happened. How much more upset would this man be about Jikooks NYC and Connecticut trip, Tokyo trip, late night hang outs etc, how they touch each other If Jk was his boyfriend? Tae would fight JM not say things like “I like you most!” 

Some might say well the same can be said of Jikook. Wouldn’t JM be jealous of Tae, if they were a couple? And to that I’d laugh. JM has no reason to be jealous of Tae and JK’s relationship because they don’t do anything suspicious. They hang out, go out to eat, talk to each other...they do things friends do! Have they shared a bed,...yes but they share beds with everyone...it’s also culturally not that big of a deal for two men to share a bed in Korea. They don’t do anything romantic together or exclusive. They are friends. JM wouldn’t be jealous of that. That said...if JM doesn’t like something he 100% says something. 

For example, BV S3 Tae and JK shared a room and Hobi I think came into their room in the morning and JK was at the foot of the bed hugging Taes feet. JM did not like that AT ALL. He chimed in and was like “what/?!?!?!”  Now we can’t control what we do in our sleep but JMs response was telling. He wasn’t pleased. Whereas TAe laughs and Jikook’s shenanigans and encourages it. He laughed at their rainy day story even though it sounded romantic, he laughed when JK said his mom made seaweed soup for JM’s birthday even though JM was not there, he laughed when he talked about thinking JM’s room was JKs, he grins when he mentions Jikook hanging out together late at night! THis boy doesn’t give any craps about who JK spends his time with because they aren’t a couple. Whereas JK and JM do care where the other is. JM said once that he gets nervous when JK doesn’t respond immediately to his calls or texts. When JM had to leave to do an interview he questioned him about where he was going and why. 

SO what did the Perilla leaf debate reveal? It revealed that this love triangle nonsense is not realistic. It revealed a key aspect of vminkook’s personalities...It revealed that if any pair existed in BTS it would have to be Jikook. Tae and JK’s reactions regarding each other don’t match how they self admittedly would react if they were partners. 

[jeonscatalyst]

I read this from the cult arguments so the reason why they think jikook using Buddy program for enlisting confirms them not being couples is because in south korean military service as you might already know they prohibit the gay sexual intercourse while ON BASE and if you do you face the consequences right? So according to them now that jikook are using the Buddy program by chance IF in future they come out as queer and start dating each other the government is likely to investigate them for using the Buddy program for their advantage, or say they can get investigated for falsification and breaking the law of gay relationship n all during military service and given BTS are Big deal even if jikook come out after many years they will still likely face very serious consequences for breaking the law cause you know how sk is when it comes to BTS like e.g. suga's recent incidents.

So does anyone have a better understanding of this whole act of gay se* + military service and the consequences you face like this law as whole?

Hey anon,

I made this post a while ago about this topic. You can check it out

I’m not sure if you are the same anon who sent this link of this taekooker trying to “prove” why two people in a romantic relationship cannot enlist together but this is the link…….

My thoughts about enlistment and how it works can be found in the post I linked but just to something about what these screenshots say….

This right here is what I like to call manipulation. This person has a very good knowledge of the system and what article 92-6 actually states but they use their own words to completely twist things. I’m not a lawyer but i’ve watched enough shows to know that people have gotten away with murder or heinous crimes because of loopholes in the written law so I’m pretty sure who ever drafted out military laws must know this so they must have EXPLICITLY written down everything that they didn’t want to avoid any loopholes.

Anon, I’d like you to check out what article 92-6 states and show me anywhere that law criminalizes two people being in a relationship. Is there any place the law talks about punishing two people just because they are gay and are in a relationship? I must have missed it so maybe you can show me if you find it.

This is such a simple thing to understand so I truly don’t get why so many people choose to ignore it.

The military doesn’t criminalize people being in a relationship (atleast not officially) they only have a problem with people committing indecent sexual activity on base. So why on earth would there be consequences if Jimin and Jungkook leave the military and decide to come out at some point later? As long as they didn’t break the law by having anal sex or engaging in anything the law considers indecent sexual activity, they are good. Is there any law that states that two lovers cannot enlist together as buddies? There is literally NONE! Also, this makes no sense because not everyone who in romantic relationships have sex (surprise surprise) and seeing as the military has only mentioned having an issue with sex while on base, then why would they go after people who didn’t commit a crime?

If the South Korean military didn’t want two lovers enlisting together as buddies, they would have boldly written it down. Yes, queer people face some injustice and discrimination in the military and sometimes are deemed unfit for service because of their sexual orientation which is unfortunate and sad but the truth is, Jimin and Jungkook have never come as as queer have they? So officially they are just two normal bandmates and friends who decided to enlist together and even if they do come out later, the military would have to prove that they were a couple while enlisted if they want to have an issue with it (which I doubt they would) and we all know that they wouldn’t be able to prove that Jikook were a couple at the time of enlistment unless they got caught having sex, because guess what, it is possible that they could have only become a couple after their military service. So you see how the whole thing doesn’t even make sense right. If you want to consider that the military might try to punish people for being a couple while enlisted, then there are just too many loopholes in the law. I am not even a lawyer but I can make a very good defense case for anyone whom the military tries to prosecute for this using their own written laws.

[akookminsupporter]

“You’ll also get to see their serious conversations and other charming aspects.”

what if Jikook says something pointing to they are not a couple. I mean once taekook had a heartfelt convo infront of camera and it ruined all tkkrs fantasies that made them say both are lying lol. What if Jimin goes : I wrote an album in search of a woman I want in life and JK agrees he wants the same too. Or what Jimin say : will we still be traveling together once we have our own families ? Like he said to suga once. It won't be fulfilling your wishes right ?

I am going to bite because obviously, you need attention and I am bored, so I will post your ask 😘.

Look, the difference between you and me is that I have no expectations of anything. I have always been clear that I don't know what kind of relationship they have, and honestly, I am not very interested in knowing. I believe in what I see; it doesn't necessarily mean that what I see or what I think I see is the truth. I have never claimed it is and I never will. If Jimin and Jungkook have those kinds of conversations on the show, I will take them for what they are and that's it. My blog is not going to disappear. I will still be here, and you will keep seeing my posts because I know you are one of those people who come to my blog again and again. You probably even follow me, you're just too cowardly to send me a question without anon on, right?The difference between you, me, and the subgroup is that if tomorrow Jimin and Jungkook say directly that they don't have a relationship and that they are not as close as we have believed all this time, nothing will happen. Yes, I will question a lot of what we saw and the sincerity of everything they have shown and told us, and maybe I will be disappointed because what we see is very different from what they would say but that's it. And I'm not speaking from a romantic point of view, but from a friendship perspective because the difference between you, me, and the subgroup is that I am clear that above all, they are friends. I have never denied that. I have never denied that they are close, that they have incredible chemistry, that they get along very well, and that they seem to know each other very well. That is something they have made clear and that neither you nor the subgroup will ever be able to change.

It's funny and sad at the same time how obsessed you all are with "proving" that Jimin and Jungkook are heterosexual. It's amusing how you come to these blogs to say the same thing over and over again; you almost seem like bots, although you are really trolls, which I suppose is the same thing, saying the same stupidity again and again. Then something happens that contradicts or simply destroys your stupid narratives.

The difference between you and me is that I want Jimin and Jungkook to be happy, and I will be happy with their happiness, whether they are together or with other people. That is my wish, so either way, it will be fulfilled.

[curio-queries]

I agree, I think the main character was always meant to be their relationship. I think when they were planning the show that must have been a discussion, because it would be self-evident once they were traveling together, same as it came out so strongly when they were in BV3 and walking around together. Obviously the jeju episodes were hijacked so to speak (but imo mostly served to show us the incredibly intimate bond Jikook share), but yes, the main character is that, it is meant to show us them, as they are. They said this too in their first intro.

I also think it was a way for JM to make up to JK for his busy period, and spend quality time being free to travel together. They obviously say that to open the show, so it is not a reach. But, it is more than that, I think he truly does care about JK and his happiness. He also says that a few times in jeju and in Sapporo so far, as long as JK is happy, that is what mattered, and I am like that in my relationship. It truly shows how much they both care for each other.

I love that in episode 6, all they really do is check into their hotel, eat snacks, go to a 7/11, eat more, talk, go to bed. Then JM is there calling JK into the bathroom to take a selfie because 'they made memories here'. it is so sweet, because really all I think he is referring to is them being together, enjoying the normal/mundane things. Then they go on to do more of that, walking the snowy streets to go find food, coffee and ride a train. Things a lot of us will take for granted, often complain about probably. I know they had a lot of staff to protect them/look out for their wellbeing, but we have. to remember they are used to that, and so for them, it is just being out and about on a normal day, doing normal things, together.

Hi anon,

I'd definitely be interested to learn a little more about the scope of AYS and how it developed. I've still been thinking about the idea of the relationships as the main character and how that could have developed throughout the production. It's been a while since I've watched Bon Voyage but I don't think the same could be said there. BV is absolutely modeled after typical travel shows where the journey/destination becomes the chief focus.

I do think there was space for the Jeju eps to open the focus to all three members' relationships and I do believe it was mostly successful. It's one of the reasons why all of the pool segments didn't feel repetitive, there was a different mixture of members each time: taekook, jikook, vminkook. Even though they recreated some of the same bits in each subsequent scene, they weren't cut our of the edit because it didn't feel like repeat moments due to the changing dynamics and thus fulfilling the goal of exploring the differing relationships.

On a complete sidenote, while we're sharing lovely bursts of joy from ep 6, let me share mine about the memories moments as well. I have a family history of memory loss-related illnesses so I've always been hyperaware of my own shortcomings with my memory and made my peace with the likelihood that I will have my own journey on that path as well. There was a phrase I heard years ago that has given me a lot of comfort: our character has still been influenced by those we love even if we lose the memories associated with them.

This episode spending so much time talking about making memories in such a sweet way just reminds me how much Jimin and Jungkook want to have eachother influence their character. They have so many extraordinary events in their lives and while they may not remember the exact day-to-day detail, they have absolutely helped shape the other's character. I just think it's especially lovely.

[not-goldy]

Yes that photo is Kookmin not Jikook. Kookmin energy always hits different & something tells me JK likes that dynamic. Why do you think he added Kookminaredating to his club? I'm sure he saw a lot of Jikook, Taekook & maybe even Namkook names, but he said Kookmin rights. Remember when Hobi teased Jikook when they picked their name for that game, with that sus smirk/smile & he asked why it wasn't reversed & JK's name first and JK said he's alright with it cause Jimin is older. Also Hobi, what was the reason? Anyways, JK saw Kookminaredating and clicked add to club so fast, I know he did. He said I'm large, but he's in charge, but really, I'm in charge.

Also this seem to be the day Jimin got his award/graduated. And You know JK is so damn proud of Jimin too and showing it off to everyone. To those who tried to claim JK was unhappy Jimin got first or miserable & the freaks claimed its cause he was missing Tae & hurting cause he wasn't there to see him graduate. JK said kiss his and Jimin's ass loud and clear at a Podium, into a mic. He said Mic drop BAM. In case it wasn't loud enough. The magnet energy is real and their I don't give a fuck about your feelings, we still gonna be the same us energy, is still going strong. They made a pact for life and they are sticking to it.

Also with each photos coming out they are looking more comfortable, so good for them. No matter what kind of relationship they have, the way they remained unbothered by all the hate for all these years and only get stronger and stronger. I salute them.

Aaaahhhh you are my tribe you are you must be

When Kook gets on his kookmin shit MY GAAAAD

He gives gcf he gives rosebowl, he gives well this

For illustration

Jikook kookmin

Jikook kookmin

Jikook kookmin

Do you know how fucked you gotta be as a shipper to even know the distinction????😭😭😭😭😭🤣🤣🤣🤣

Kookmin supremacy Jikookers change my mind🤭

[stormblessed95]

https://www.tumblr.com/stormblessed95/759014665010479104/oh-god-storm-my-tl-is-a-mess-after-the-last?source=share

"Where's the difference between them and Us" where exactly has y'all had stated there's difference between two cause since the time i have joined Tumblr all i see is jkk blogs saying "tkkrs and jkkrs are the same" so ig it's about time ppl show what being "same" as tkkrs mean. It's still nothing cause for every 100 deranged tkkrs you have some 10 deranged jkkrs. And the difference in followers of those 100 tkkrs nd 10 jkkrs is still jarring cause you have Tkkrs with 20k,30k,40k,50k,100k,300k followers while jkkrs won't crack that 5k. And yes more hate comments does make difference cause u can easily ignore hate tweets that has less engagement but not Tkkrs who get 10k and 20k and 30k likes calling jm thirdwheel on his own Fking show. but jkkr bloggers here kept saying they're same as tkkrs. So again it's time ppl show what same means. Y'all go around saying jkkrs r same as tkkrs even when they are not but get upset when showed exactly what being same means? Although jkkrs still don't get that engagement so that shows who's still deranged ones.

You know who has never personally attacked me, taekookers. You know who has started a targeted hate campaign against me and threw derogatory terms at anyone who tried to stand up for me for months, simply for saying I'll block anyone who makes hate comments about any of the members.... Jikookers. Yeah, for months that went on and 99% of all my followers here, silent.

I don't like shippers, and jikookers here have given me a very specific reason to not like them. I don't like shippers. Yet, I can still be sane about it and know that majority of shippers aren't bad and nothing is wrong with shipping in general.

You have issues with the hate towards the members, me too. Take it up elsewhere. Take it up towards a blog that hasn't been given ample reason to dislike certain subsets of shippers specifically. And don't excuse shitty behavior because it doesn't do "the same numbers" as other shitty toxic behaviors. That's how you allow the bad behavior to take root and get worse and worse. Why do you think tkkrs are as toxic as they are now. They were allowed to fester. Maybe don't let the rotten Jkkrs fester until it gets to that point in a few years.

[dearweirdme]

Hi 👋

First, I wanna thank you for being honest with me. I'm not the best at reading social cues so unless you are direct with me I'll be thinking "I think we're getting along!" and go on completely oblivious to any implications lol So your honesty is greatly appreciated, I'll keep everything you said in mind in the future.

On a second note, I'm really sorry for how my words came off 🙏, that really wasn't my intention. But now I see exactly what you mean, it really wasn't my place to tell you how to run your blog, it came off really bad. I sincerely apologize for that.

Now, to be real with you, I don't see you as delusional or wrong, or to be more accurate, both our opinions are based on pure speculation and personal interpretation, so I don't see you as any more delusional than I see myself.

In my perspective, I don't see Jikook as a real couple because they have never confirmed themselves to be one. And as long as that question lies unanswered, I'll only truly believe what they have described their relationship as, which is close friends. There's a part of me that suspects they're a couple but I don't see it as a fact.

So, keeping that in mind, I'll only believe you are actually delusional if there's not a single fiber of your being that believes you could be wrong, you are 100% sure Taekook are a couple. But that wouldn't be because you're a Taekooker, it'll be because you, a complete outsider to their life, believe your speculations to be a fact. And that's just a dangerous mentality to have in general, and unfortunately, I see it frequently in both jikook and taekook circles.

I don't come here to try to change your mind about Taekook, I come here cause I like reading your takes. You give very grounded opinions and debunk many biased assumptions I have of jikook, showing me different perspectives I couldn't see in my little bubble.

Moving on, I wanted to ask you: what really sold you on taekook, that made you go "they're dating"?

One thing I see as suspicious is the weird tension they have with each other, I don't see any other members having that same tension.

I think it's this very tension they have that makes Taekookers believe that taekook prioritize hiding their relationship to protect themselves, and Jikookers believe that taekook really did grow distant and got closer after In the soop.

Taekookers: tension = sexual tension and hiding relationship

Jikookers: tension = distance and awkwardness

I understand both of these takes, but I have some different interpretations of it, but ain't nobody reading all that. This shits WAY too long already lol.

Borahae 💜

(the more you look at him the more beautiful he gets, we can't blame Jungkook for getting a little lost in him kkkkk)

Hi @moo-mood!

I’m glad you understand.

As for your question about Tae and Jk, I think your ask really shows how people outside of tkk fandom don’t really understand where we are coming from.

We don’t generally focus much on sexual tension I believe. I’m sure there corners in our fandom that do, but in general sexual tension between Tae and Jk is not that often a point of discussion. There are moments that I feel classify as that, or at least as strong attraction.. but we don’t really get to see much of those. We also don’t expect to, because the last thing we would be privy to see between a closeted couple is obvious sexual tension. They hide that, and I think they hide it well. We see flirting, we see tenderness, and we did get some more loaded moments.. but imo not as much to be able to say Tkkrs generally explain the tension between Tae and Jk as it being sexual.

Sexual tension is only one part that might clue us into wether two people are in a romantic relationship though. What clued me in was how Tae and Jk are just a level up in closeness when compared to the other members. Imo they are closest physically and emotionally. There’s a reason why despite efforts to show Jk and Tae as less close (and yes, imo it’s been efforts) there are still soo many who never believed that. It’s because all throughout the period that Tae and Jk were deemed to be distant, their bodies and their interactions showed us differently. We often get laughed at because of our words on stares, looks, touches.. but those things are actually the hardest for people to consistently fake and to consistently hide. No other duo is as aware of each other as Tae and Jk are. No other duo gets each other as easily as Tae and Jk do… and that is actually something I am quite sure of… regardless of wether that means they are in a romantic relationship.

So it started with me believing Tae and Jk are closest. And what made me believe they are more than friends is basically everything else around them. The way they are the biggest ship, and yet Hybe does not commercialize them. The way they get jealous and/or annoyed because of the other. The way they are at times possessive of the other. The way the other members react to them (wether in a good way or in a way that they’re afraid of discovery). It’s all supported by my belief that individually speaking I feel Tae and Jk are possibly queer.

All in all, when I think of how I feel a closeted idol couple within the same band would be dealt with in SK.. it’s just basically what I see happened with Tae and Jk.

[bangtannism]

Lol speaking of other shippers being jealous of what JK and JM have and blaming the company for why their fave pair don't have it, I recently came across a reel from a Jinkooker page, showing moments from AYS and captioning it "this is what a friends vlog looks like so the company didn't mind showing it" and compared it to those pictures where JK and Jin took a trip together or something and JK was carrying his camera around, and of course they made the excuse that "the company" is gatekeeping the footage because they couldn't hide how they were a couple😅

I laughed so hard when I saw that. It's really all the same arguments from different subgroups of the fandom, they all cry "Bighit is hiding my ship/Jikook is fanservice". It looks like it's solely a Taekooker narrative simply because they are the loudest and most unhinged, but really, all non-Jikook BTS pair-that-has-JM-or-JK-as-one-half shippers are keeping their ships afloat with this narrative. Yes, including some Vminies (I've seen this lot parroting Taekooker narratives when the joint enlistment of Jikook was announced, and mind you they are the same people who were also so smug about Vmin definitely enlisting together)

I know deep down these people know that even if it was their ship spending so much time around each other and orbiting one another, it still wouldn't be the same. They'd never come across as suspicious. Jungkook was openly spending time with Taehyung and there had been an uptick in Taekook moments since 2022 compared to the few years before then and not ONCE did I see other shippers cry about "Bighit forcing Taekook down our throats" or accusing Taehyung of being a "fanservice king" (those accusations were only coming from toxic Jikookers) and "feeding his minions" the way they've always accused Jimin and still do to this day even though he doesn't mention JK nearly as much as Tae does.

Jikook as a ship was on a little bit of a "break" and Taekook had Taekookers convinced they were doing a soft launch and would become official quite soon & not once did I see Jinkookers, Vminies or Taejinners talking about "Taekook is hiding my ship". Even during that time, still, it was Jikook getting those allegations.

No, what makes the Jikook ship so polarizing was never about the quantity of their interactions but always about that special chemistry, that special tension they share between them. And everybody and their mama knows this - the only difference is that most of us hate it.

"the company" is gatekeeping the footage

yes, yes, a very popular assertion. bh/hybe is apparently sitting on a mountain of tkk, ymn, vmn, and jnkk content. (side note, i usually do not judge peoples ships at all but jnkk .... brother eugh.)

It's really all the same arguments from different subgroups

yup. 🙃 everyone is weirdly obsessed with calling jikook fanservice because it hurts their feelings that jikook not only spend time together, not only enjoy the time they spend together, but also come across more couple like than any other duos. it MUST be fanservice that theyre acting like that! it MUST be scripted!! (the cognitive dissonance goes hard in some of these folks.)

It looks like it's solely a Taekooker narrative simply because they are the loudest

nothing to add to this, i just agree. there's more tkkrs than other sub-groups so of course we would see it more often from them.

there had been an uptick in Taekook moments since 2022 compared to the few years before then and not ONCE did I see other shippers cry about "Bighit forcing Taekook down our throats" or accusing Taehyung of being a "fanservice king" (those accusations were only coming from toxic Jikookers)

to be fair, the uptick happened during ch2, so it wouldn't make much sense to say bh was forcing them (not that some other sub-groups ever feel the need to make sense, but that's a them problem). tkk are good friends and had more time to hang out and i love that for them and i do think most jikookers readily admit that tkk love each other. fuck the ones who don't, because it makes them no better than the people they criticize.

No, what makes the Jikook ship so polarizing was never about the quantity of their interactions but always about that special chemistry

that's exactly it, anon. jikook is viewed as a "threat" to all other ships that have jm/jk in them and therefore they take the brunt of hate. they simply would not get the hate and attention they do from other sub-groups if people were not so hellbent on "disproving" them. (weirdo behavior fr.)

i saw someone asking what shippers actually have some sus proof and underneath the comment mentioning jikook, there were tkkrs trying to tell everyone that jk never wanted to be on ays, doesn't like being around jm, etc. you would never catch me behaving like that or even thinking like that, because it simply does not worry me when jm or jk hang out with other people. it reeks of jealousy and insecurity.

no matter who jm and jk spend time with, it simply will not be the same as the moments they have together. whether friends or more than friends, their bond and chemistry is just special and anyone who doesn't want to admit that is lying to themselves.

[bookscandlesnbts]

Military this, Military that how long jikookers will hang on to this excuse ? It's been overused like taekookers 'private couple' excuse when they didn't had any moments lol.

Jimin can say he was with yoongi previous night of his bday, that Jin met and gifted him, he went to Joon for a drink, attend Tae's solo event, talk about Jhope very often etc but when it comes to JK it's suddenly Military BS excuse. Same with JK. He can hangout with his friends any time of the day, for hours but he can't do the same with his group mate ? Because it may look sus ? Do you hear yourself ? How spending some time with your group mate, your close friend of years sus than spending all nights with your gang ? Is it them not spending time together or just you made it up in your head that it's sus for 2 bandmates to spend time together as the reason for zero jkk moments ?

If it was Tae who said JK wished him by message jkkrs will conclude that they didn't saw each other but if Jimin said he called JK and if JK said he'll text Jimin, it somehow means they met each other in your dictionary? Why being hypocrites just to make your ship real ? It's an undeniable fact that other than for work Jikook don't spend time together nor meet up. Yes, NYC and Jeju were for work.. army who saw them told they were filming something and that's the reason they are not saying it on cam because they want to keep the suspense. Not what you think.

I want to see how long you all will hang onto the MS excuse for your dear lives, it's been 2 years already.. just 2 more to go till they finish MS. And if there are zero Jikook moments even after that.. what your excuse will be ? Find one already because MS excuse is about to get expired lol.

You sound so sure of yourself anon. 🤣 like how you bold your “undeniable facts” when you don’t know shit. We see so very little of their lives and interactions now, but sure you conclude all you want that Jikook only see each other for work. And what if we never see anything regarding their NYC/CT trip? How was it for work then????? Because I think there is a strong chance that all the “filming” that they did was not for us.

Military Service isn’t an excuse. It’s a reality that they have to serve. It’s also a reality that they live in a very homophobic country, with the entity that is the military being at the top of the homophobic list. Me saying that they are being cautious before their service isn’t a joke or delusional, it’s a matter of safety. Jungkook has already been getting dragged into fake hetero scandals can you imagine a gay one? Come on now.

Acting like Jikook never see each other because we haven’t seen them on camera is so laughable. Acting like it’s all for work is also laughable. Jungkook is hanging out with his friends, so what? You act like I’m bothered by that? I’m not. He actually has time off to enjoy himself and see people that he probably doesn’t get to see much of.

And what if there is lots of Jikooking to be had when MS is over? What then? Are you going to come back to my ask box with your tail tucked between your legs like you should? No, you are going to spout off more nonsense I’m sure.

I believe Jikook are in a long term romantic relationship. Not getting a ton of moments of them during a time where the band is not active due to an impending military service does nothing to change that. Sorry not sorry.

[goldenhickeysandramen]

DIPE's by Dispatch target

A short post inspired by this anon's question to @jeons-catalyst

Dispatch launched DIPE (www.dipe.co.kr.) on March 3rd 2022 in honor of the company’s tenth anniversary. A new global page which was "catered towards international fans who share the same excitement and passion for Kpop.

“Dipe” will cover news and updates on a variety of groups such as BTS, Enhypen, NCT, Nu’est, Seventeen, Stray Kids, TXT, Twice, and more."

Oh.. interesting... so let's see what's the target of DIPE according to its creators:

"First the articles are all written in English for "the comfort of international fans".

“Dipe” will bring you the latest scoop on the idols you love, including behind-the-scenes footages and cuts from sets, interviews, videos, and fashion information"

Well… I think it's clear that Dipe is going to publish lil pills of what the international, and not exclusively Korean people, are asking for.

That says it all, and is one of the reasons of this article's headlines and pics:

By the way, an article indeed about Jin's completion military service, because it doesn't really tell anything about Jungkook and Tae's clumsy hug (they got a bit messed up).

I encourage you to go in and read it… it's even funny… the pics and headlines that have nothing to do with the content of the article… …..

I call it CLOUT CHEASING

So... going to the questions raised by the anon:

"So why doesn’t dispatch use jikook for clickbaits, too?

They did it too.

Aren’t they popular as a duo, too?

Yes, they are. As you can see… the rest of the relevant media has always mentioned them (systematically) in a cute way, and putting them in duo (their names separated with a "-") Why do you think they were called sea otters?

But maybe DIPE knows jikook it's not the most demanding duo of BTS

Or there’s just nothing there to begin with?"

Dispatch -and the other media - couldn't out any non-het couple, be it jikook or taekook…and Dipe would never risk suggesting anything publicly, let alone something about their sexuality that would harm one of the Hybe's artist (who on the contrarly seems to get on very well with his Korean parent company Dispatch).

So, you have to take this with a certain superficiality… they write about them - it doesn't really matter what, whether it's something totally over the top, or something really cute - to get more engagement, and therefore more brands to want to advertise on the site (and more income).

Btw…one last note…As DIPE must have the best interests of all their readers at heart…. they also posted this in December…. (in case any of you have missed it!)

[floradinterlunium]

When Rationality Becomes Irrational

The number one reason people refuse to accept or admit the obvious nature of Jikook’s relationship is not because of Homophobia or Taekook, it’s because of excessive rationality--Jikook can’t be in a relationship because of the risks.

We’ve all heard the rationalizations:

1. Why would Jikook risk their careers and their bandmates careers over what could potentially amount to a fling? A break up would destroy the group! Jimin and Jungkook are too professional to take such a risk.

2. Hybe would never allow them to be in a relationship. BTS is their number one money maker and Jimin and JK are two of the most popular members. Let’s forget break up, what if they’re outed...that would destroy the group and with it HYBE’s number one source of revenue. So anything that looks suspicious has to be fan service because its financial suicide to allow Jikook to be “real.”

And I will admit all the above is true! Jikook being in a relationship is a massive risk! But this is where rationality can start to impede on our logic.

Yes, it is “irrational” to enter into a relationship with your same sex bandmate in a homophobic country when you are at the peak of your careers...but it was also unavoidable...

Let me explain:

Imagine falling in love with your best friend that you not only happen to work with but also live with. To make matter worse, let’s also imagine that your friend also loves you too. A physical relationship at the very least is bound to happen because at no point are you ever able to escape your feelings...you are with the object of your affection 24/7.

In my opinion,  It is more logical to expect a relationship to blossom out of that, regardless of the risks, then to expect these two individuals to have more self control than a Buddhist Monk. 

It is not rational to expect people to Always behave “rationally.” Thus, whether or not Jikook being in a relationship is rational or not should play no role in whether or not one thinks they are. Because there is no doubt that them being a couple is a risk...no one is arguing against that. All we are saying is risk aside there is no way they aren’t in a relationship because things like GCFT happened:

Jungkook planned and paid to take Jimin to Tokyo for his birthday--A city he said he wanted to spend his free time in on multiple occasions. He then spent a lot of time researching and constructing a romantic vlog of Jimin in Tokyo  set to the tune of a romantic song. No normal unbiased person walked away from that video thinking anything other than this video was made by a man in love with Jimin. 

Risk aside there is no way they aren’t in a relationship because they say things to, and about each other like, “I promised him I’d go even to the moon with him,” or “he’s my I am you, you are me,” or “I want to spend a long time with you” or “my favorite thing is waking up and seeing JK.” These aren’t things Just friends or even best friends say to each other in normal conversations. These are words lovers speak to each other.

Risk aside there is no way they aren’t in a relationship because instead of just flying to Hawaii from Europe, Jimin chose to fly back to Korea, get JK a birthday cake, and plan a birthday party to surprise Jungkook. He didn’t just wish Jungkook a happy birthday like any just “friend” would do, he made it a point to never miss celebrating Jungkook’s birthday with him. That is something a boyfriend or husband would do for their partner.

Risk aside there is no way they aren’t in a relationship because whenever JK looks at or talks about Jimin he has stars in his eyes. Jungkook comes live a lot and he spends the vast majority of his lives either live reacting to Jimin content, talking about Jimin, or becoming like a kid at recess whenever Jimin makes a point to comment on his lives. How can anyone watch JK’s recent lives and not conclude that, that man is in love with Jimin. His behavior is not normal friend behavior. Hobi’s support, and Yoongi’s support is normal friend behavior. They show up for him, cheer him on and even fan girl. But JK takes the cake. He spends huge chunks of time just gushing over JM, Why? Because he loves him.

Risk aside there is no way they aren’t in a relationship because when sick the only person JK doesn’t mind accompanying him or staying in the room with him, even when he’s being stripped naked is Jimin. When RM asked if he wanted them to leave for privacy...JK said yes but no one made JM leave because it’s understood that JM is not like the rest when it comes to JK. That’s a high level of closeness...to allow someone to see you so vulnerable, in a state of helplessness and be okay with it. 

Risk aside there is no way they aren’t in a relationship because they are always together. Band members, staff, they themselves admit this. They are always together on and off break. JK said when they were on break the only members he spoke to were Ji-hope. When members mention them they confuse their names, or talk about them in unison...Jk and Jimin did this or JK and JM are always up late! They are a package deal. We may not see them much now days but we know they are still together a lot because of the way they speak and other’s speak about them as if they are used to seeing them together “JM will come (box) when he gets off.” “JK make ramen for me when I come over.” “JM come eat chicken with me-” JM responds I will come when done. 

Risk aside...Their closeness defies normal friendship closeness. Jikook are human with human impulses and feelings. If they started having feelings for each other there was no avoiding a relationship...regardless of the risk...regardless of Hybe...regardless of the band! No normal human being would be able to stop themselves from entering into a relationship with a person they loved if they were under the same conditions. Every day i grow more sure of the fact that they are together because when I look at them I look at the abundance of footage BTS footage, fan sightings, JIkook statements and I conclude that even though they are well aware of the risks they took it because they knew there was no other option.

Jungkook is more superstitious then Jimin he believes in things like Destiny and from the way he looks at Jimin and behaves towards, protects him and sometimes treats him like porcelain it is clear that this man sees Jimin as his Destiny. Jimin while self admittedly doesn’t believe in things like fate and destiny, he does believe in committing oneself to someone for life and I truly think he sees JK as his life partner...which is why, as careful of a person as he is, he has taken the risk...because JK is his person.

[jeonscatalyst]

The fact these anons send in asks that says "taekookers said" shows tkk brainwashing & ability to make you question normal things as more, is still very much a thing. Tkk talking about seating arrangements is the last thing someone should take serious. How you can see Jikook for years and even consider taking a tkk opinion into consideration. Be your own judge. Sitting beside each other is a weak argument considering Jimin was in the middle beside JK during the sushi dinner and JK was in the middle beside Jimin during their first dinner when they got there in Jeju and Jikook were sitting side by side on the boat sharing Ramen, while Tae sat across from them. Tkk of course don't talk about that. Keep in mind these same "taekookers said" are the ones who swear Tae is a fat, ugly, veiny leg, fat head, flat ass cosplayer walking around holding a Jennie cosplayer's hand in Paris. Yes, these are real things they said about Tae out loud when trying to debunk his leaked pics and Paris. They bodyshammed Tae bad, cause it was easier than admitting its Tae, cause they knew what it meant for their ship. Saddest part is Tae saw all that too, cause we know he lurks twitter. His own fans shamming him to cope. Who needs haters right, when your own fans throw you under the bus.

💯

[akookminsupporter]

Hey Rosie, so i did a thing a decided to visit some taekook blogs to just read some of their theories to see if i could understand where they are coming from because no matter how hard i think about things, i just can’t for the life of me understand why someone will honestly still ship taekook in 2024 and even after watching everything Jikook have done for and to each other in years and when i tell you i lost braincells, believe me i did.

I’m one person who believes that people should be free to believe in what they want to as long as they are not being dismissive of other members bonds but i realized that, that is literally the only way taekookers cope. They are blatantly dismissive of Jk’s bond with Jimin and only acknowledge it when it comes to moments they cannot argue and then the want to play the “they are bestfriends so it’s normal” card even though just right before that, they were claiming how Jk arrived Yoongi’s concert and ignored Jimin. How can u say this and then when someone brings something which obviously shows how Jk cares about Jimin you are back to claiming that they are bestfriends even though you think Jk will arrive a concert and ignore his bestfriend just because he wants to cling to his “boyfriend”? Make it make sense.

I know that in the last years, jikook spaces have gotten really toxic and some jikookers are becoming as delulu as tkkrs but i will always thank God for the handful of sane jikookers we still have because trust me when i tell you that there is not a SINGLE sane taekooker in this world. All of them have either been brainwashed or are plain stupid. For the most part, most jikookers pay attention to facts to try to make sense of jikook. Yes we do have our theories but you don’t see Jikookers sticking to their theories as proof of the damn ship but this is the opposite for taekookers. They actually don’t care about the facts. They don’t care about what the boys have to say or what has actually happened all these years. They only care about their own interpretation of the boys actions and words.

You wouldn’t hear them bringing up tangible reasons as to why they think their ship is real. They will bring up reasons like the fact that taekook wore the same shirt on the same day and same time even though they were in different continents💀. They will bring up things like hearing taekook’s voices in each other’s Lives and the only proof they have for this are the voices in their heads.

I am one of those who believes that Jikook sometimes hide in each other’s Lives but i don’t believe this just because i see them look to a certain direction for 3 seconds or because i hear a random sound. My belief is backed up by the fact that we literally have evidence which has been consistent for over a decade which points to the fact that Jimin and Jk are the two who spend the most of their nigts together. I didn’t come to this conclusion by imagining that they do, i came to this conclusion because they have literally told us this so many damn times. So if i hear a voice or feel like someone else is in Jimin or Jk’s room at some odd hour, i am more inclined to think it is Jimin or Jk rather than anyone else because those two have a history of being in each other’s rooms the most, you get? It is the same as, if someone has a reputation of being a theif, if something gets missing everyone will most likely look to them first before anyone else.

Another thing that is really weird to me about taekookers is how they blatantly ignore everything we have witnessed Jikook do for years and then they hype up taekook doing some of those things for a 6 months period. This entire fandom has seen Jikook arrive and leave so many places together for years with or without tae present. We know that Jk has hung out with Jimin and his friends for years. Infact we saw Jk with Jm’s friends way b4 anyone ever dreamed of Jk hanging out with Tae’s wooga but when Jk did all these things with Jimin, it didn’t matter and it meant nothing but now, some of them consider it irrefutable proof that taekook is real because Taekook arrived and left a concert together ONCE in 10 years and because for the first time in a decade, Jk was seen hanging out with Tae and his friends for a period of time. MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.

Do you remember those days when taekookers used to swear that Jikook hanging out alot outside of work was proof that they weren’t real because according to them, no closeted couple in a homophobic country will expose themselves so much? Remember when JM and Jk sharing cars was fanservice? Remember how they downplayed Jk’s lives about JM in chapter two because it was “official content” but were praying Jk did the same for tae and when that didn’t happen, they switched their narrative to “Jk was forced” or “Jm needed promotion while tae didn’t”. I honestly don’t understand how they even make sense to themselves. Ask them why they think Jk and tae are a couple when there is literally evidence Jk spending birthdays and couple holidays with Jimin and not seeing Tae some times at all and they tell you, Jk and tae have to protect themselves by lying that they don’t. So you mean to tell me that Jk and Tae don’t feel the need to “protect” themselves when they are attending premiers or when tae is namedropping Jk 1783787 times or when Tae is coming to announce that Jk sings him a song but they only feel the need to “protect” themselves when it comes to admitting that they go to greet each other on birthdays?

You see that their entire premise of belief in their ship is making other people the villains in taekook’s lives. The big bad company who constantly separates the boys in camera, constantly forces Jk to do fanservice with Jimin, constantly cuts their moments, Jimin who constantly forces himself on Jk, who doesn’t respect his friends relationships, Jk who is lilly livered and cannot stand up and say no to the money hungry company, Jk who sometimes hurts tae by playing along with the “fanservice” and poor tae tae who has to sit there and take all of this. Poor tae tae who has a terrible soulmate and a boyfriend who cannot fight for him. He is the real victim in all of this. I honestly don’t know how they don’t see how incredibly stupid they sound.

Sorry for the rant.

Anon, thanks for the TED TALK.

Honestly, there is not much I can add. Thanks for taking one for the team and read what las vecinas are saying, you are a stronger person than me because I have never been able to do that. I think two of the key things for that group to stay afloat for so long are:

Not seeing original content.

Living in denial.

And that's why they will always be around, no matter what.

[chevelleneech]

Now there's the whole issue with peopleg giving AYS bad ratings on purpose. It just makes me so sad, how Jimin and Jungkook can never be enjoyed as a duo the way the rest are in BTS. And then Taekookers (and some ARMYs) have the audacity to say the company uses Jikook for fanservice because they make money off of them as a duo very easily, and I'm just like "where??". For who are they doing all this when a majority of the fandom are Taekookers and ARMYs who prefer Taekook together the most? We see it with the views all the time.

I don't know when people are gonna open their eyes. It's not HYBE's fault that Jikook have the kind of dynamic they do that they (the antis) obviously notice but hate for some reason.

Poor Jimin and Jungkook. I feel so sorry for them for real. I don't even want people to see what I see in them as someone who ships them, I really just dream about ARMY reacting to them the way they react to Vmin, Minimoni, Sope, Vhope, Taejin and literally any other duo in BTS. I just wanna come across a Jikook video and not come across weird, delusional and mean comments about them all the time that dismiss them having anything that goes beyond a co-worker relationship.

Do you think it hurts them to see how much the fandom hates seeing them together, or used to at one point?

My main takeaway, that proves these reviews are being left by people who are Tkk shippers and nothing else, is how hard they are trying to word things so they sound like unbiased, casual dislikes.

I’d usually say they don’t view the members are real people, but using things such as, “the script”, “the protagonist”, “falling flat”, “forced acting” makes it clear they actually do, and are aware that they have to twist things into fiction to come across as more “honest”.

They have to use words and phrases that don’t ping as being unnecessarily hateful, but to do that, they have to paint AYS as a scripted/forced project. Because how do you unbiasedly say, about a band you supposedly love and understand do skinship with each other in general, “I don’t like that these two members specifically are interacting.” without it coming across as you being hateful of those two members specifically? You can’t.

They can’t give real Anders to how or why JM and JK seem scripted, because doing that requires listing all the things they do and why it is fake, without also presenting a case for why it’s fake for other members including Tae and Wooga. Because doing that would also require proving Jimin and JK’s actions have been fake this entire time, which is delusional. No one is going to believe that 10+ year long best friends are doing scripted friendship shit now, but weren’t in the last. Not will anyone believe for a second that two people would fake being best friends for TEN YEARS. No paycheck is worth that, when it’s not an actual fictional tv show or movie.

As for whether not Jimin and Jungkook see it and are affected? I don’t know. I’d hope not, but they have access to the same internet as the rest of us, and have proven time again they know what’s going on in Armyland. So I would say yes, they do know there’s a certain faction of this fandom who hates them being a Them, and they likely do also know how little is done on the overall fandom to stop it.

Does it affect them? My guess is no. They’ve been a Them for a long time now, be-it platonic or romantic, and they haven’t changed their behavior. They know people think they’re dating, they continue to act like they’re dating. They know people don’t like seeing them together. They continue to be seen together. They know people think their friendship is forced by the company. They continue to call each other best friends.

So my take away is, if they do care what people think, they have worked very hard on making sure it doesn’t change their thoughts and feelings for each other, whatever they may be.

All that said, it is incredibly fucked up that Jimin and Jungkook being friends is disliked as much as it is. They don’t do anything but love on each other and love on the other members, yet one stupid group of fans are loud enough to put such a damper on that. Those people need help.

[not-goldy]

Looks like the anon is saying, most people don't enter the fandom as a jikooker. So jikook ship is not the "origin" for much.

Fans enter and then find jikook. 2 main things can happen then. 1. They become jikooker and remain jikooker. 2. They become jikooker but later move to become solo.

I've hardly heard of anyone coming into the fandom cause they somehow found jikook ship and got hooked onto it. But plenty have come through Taekook ship and then turned Tae solo. So Taekook ship "origin" for Tae solos - YES. Jikook ship origin for Jimin solos - rare.

But isn't that stating the obvious???

Most people don't enter the Fandom as shippers to begin with. They come for a member or for bts and then they discover shipping. Save for a few people who come into the Fandom because of ships. I joined bts because of Yoonmin actually not the other way round. Prior to that I was mostly a Kai and Taemin stan as they were my foray into Kpop.

And you are just repeating the same point too- they become Jikooker but later move to become solo...

How is that different from me saying they are jikookers who go solo for JM. How???? Because you are arriving at the same darn conclusion so what's the point.

Whether they found the ship before coming into the Fandom, joined the Fandom and then found jikook it still comes to that most solos were Jikookers who went solo.

Ehhhh....

Most Tae Kookers were shippers before they were Army and most PJMs were Army before they were shippers is that what you are saying??

If that's what you are saying I have heard you it just doesn't change that most JM solos defected from the Jikook ship. Frankly, I'd say they were fake shippers to begin with, cos they never liked the man they shipped Jimin with in the 1st place.