#with tkkrs in particular

[starryjkoo]

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[jikooklove9795]

did you notice that when jm posted the birthday picture of him and jk shirtless for jks brithday, he got a lot of hate, right? but did you see that almost immediately after, we got so many videos, pictures, tiktok’s, ays with jk shitless? it feel like when he posted the tiktok, the back photo at the gym, like he was ending that shit real quick. all the hate jm got for posting it “without jks permission” as the trash called it and the jk did the same on his own??? call me delulu but i loved how it felt like he defended jm without even saying anything.

Hi anon 😊

I'm really sorry for the delayed response. I just recently started catching up on old asks and saw yours.

Now coming to your ask, you're not being delusional at all. I see it the same way too. Jungkook was totally defending Jimin there.

Let's take a look at what actually happened, shall we?

On 1st September 2023, Jungkook's birthday, Jimin posted this pic:

He got so much hate for it from tkkrs, solos and antis. It was so horrible and downright vile.

But you know, Jikook karma with Jungkook as the reigning master was just lurking in the shadows, waiting for the perfect moment to strike.

No one saw it coming.

Not gonna lie, what Jungkook did had me floored. He went and posted a shirtless pic of himself at the gym:

What floored me wasn't the shirtless pic itself. It was the date. 13, it's Jimin's number. Jungkook posted this exactly one month before Jimin's birthday.

You thought it was over right?

Well. NO

Here's the jaw dropper. The time he posted this pic. 11:58 am KST.

IT'S JIMIN'S BIRTH TIME

Deliberate wasn't it? That's exactly what he was aiming for.

From then on we got pics and videos of him shirtless. And that AYS pic. The one with Jimin's name written across Jungkook's abs. A gift for us but a f*** off to the antis.

This is not the first time he had defended Jimin.

1) We all remember Jungkook's pure joy in AYS. How those were the best trips of his life. How he wanted to do it with Jimin till they're fifty. Make memories to take back home. How everyone else is just a guest on the show.

2) Making phone calls to Seokjin and Hoseok's birthday lives together. Sending flower wreaths together. Flirting with each other on social media.

3) This snippet from his live:

All these, a huge "screw you" to the antis out there. Jimin antis being the key word.

These above stated 1,2, and 3 are very recent moments. There are countless other moments from the past too. But I want to bring back a particular one. For that let's go back to 2021.

On 17th Nov 2021, BTS left for Los Angeles for their PTD On Stage concert and to attend AMAs.

On 25th Nov 2021, Jimin posted a pic of himself at a beach in LA on Weverse:

On 30th Nov 2021, Sojang a Youtuber known for spreading baseless and malicious rumors about BTS dropped a video claiming that Jimin was on a date with two female idols on that beach. Her "proof" was a beach sunset pic posted by Yein in Nov 2021.

The situation became worse when more articles were made saying both the beach pics are from the same place and time. Common, random articles used by both artists were used as "proofs" of them dating.

A few hours after the video dropped "a member" posted pics of Jimin, Jungkook and Taehyung at the same beach Jimin had earlier shared the pics of:

I love the second pic so much. It's so romantic and sweet how Jimin and Jungkook are facing each other with the sunset as background. Particularly Jungkook. Sunset is a very beautiful view right? But here we have Jungkook not facing the sunset but Jimin (a much more beautiful, "pretty" view in Jungkook's eyes).

Ahhh I went off track. Let's get back to the topic real quick.

So, these pics posted were actually a response to Sojang and the articles. An initial debunking of their false claims. This proved that Jimin went to that beach together with Jungkook and Taehyung.

Sources found that Jimin's pic was of Santa Monica beach, posted on 25th Nov 2021 while Yein's pic was of Manhattan beach, posted on 27th Nov 2021.

On 1st Dec 2021 this special, sweet moment happened. Jungkook walked up behind Jimin, wrapped himself around him, stared intently, leaned in close, put his chin on his shoulder, stared again until Jimin turned into a shy, flustered mess. Then Jungkook walked away smiling hand over his chest (Yeah your heart belongs to Jimin. I know Jungkook, I know)

To me it felt like a statement. Like Jungkook was saying "Jimin is mine". He was showing everyone that only he has that effect on Jimin and vice versa by putting his hand over his heart.

Watching the content from that time, when they were in LA, really shows how inseparable Jimin and Jungkook were. Glued to each other on stage, off stage, off camera. Eating together, working out together, Jungkook spending four hours in Jimin's room three times a day (basically, sharing the same room). They were always together.

On 6th Dec 2021, Jimin, Jungkook and Seokjin flew back to SK. Jungkook and Seokjin are the first to arrive while Jimin gets held back. Seokjin leaves. Jungkook stays back and waits 20 mins for Jimin to arrive so that they can leave for their home (not homes) together. But later they get separated due to covid restrictions and take different cars.

This is the time when their company announces that BTS members are opening their individual IG accounts.

And guess what Jungkook chose as his very first profile pic and post on IG?

This one:

Both were of the beach they visited together while in LA.

He even tagged the beach location thus confirming they were at Santa Monica and that the three of them went there together. Also, confirming that Jimin and Yein indeed were not together.

Now we have got a good idea which member actually posted those pics on their official account right?

Bro couldn't wait to shut down all those rumors. He dropped the location like a mic, loud and clear. No more guessing games. Just facts.

He then posted a story where Jimin and Taehyung can be seen. Once again with location.

First profile pic - Santa Monica

First post - Santa Monica

First story - Santa Monica

All check, Jungkook. Good job!

By the way, love the colors 🌈

I thought that was it. But no. Jungkook wasn't done yet. He had more to say. And he made sure we all heard it without saying a word.

On 10th Dec 2021, Jungkook deleted the beach story only to repost it again. But this time with the beach location and the date

On 19th Dec 2021, Sojang posted a defamation rumor against Taehyung. Which prompted him to say that he's suing her.

On 22nd Dec 2021, Sojang posted dating rumor about Jungkook and Yubi. The rumors were denied by both the parties.

On 30th Dec 2021, Sojang posted a dating rumor between Namjoon and a random girl. The next day, Namjoon posted a story on Weverse denying the rumor. He later deleted it.

On 31st Dec 2021, Jungkook posted this:

Once again Santa Monica was the star. I wanna say I was not surprised when I saw this. But I was. Because I lost count of the times he posted about it.

It was kind of wild honestly. Jungkook kept posting the same thing over and over, like he really wanted to drill it into everyone's heads. Emphasizing on the location and date. No drama, no direct call outs. Just facts. Repeated facts. He was on a personal mission to shut down the rumors.

And the thing is he'd never done that for anyone else. Not for Yoongi (Yoongi and Suran), not for Hoseok (Hoseok and Irene) and not for Namjoon (Namjoon and the poodle girl). All these were baseless rumors too. But with Jimin? He went all out. Like he was saying, "Nope. Not my bf."

But really. It's honestly impossible to ignore what Jungkook did. He's never gone this far for anyone else. Never posted the same thing over and over making sure every little detail was clear. Not for anyone else. But for Jimin? It was like he was quietly saying "You're mine to protect and I'll make sure everyone knows it".

A huge shout out to my dearest bff @jkjm9597 who very graciously shared with me the timeline of Jungkook's IG posts for Santa Monica. Love you 💜 She's not very active here. But you may know her as @myhomeisjkjm on X. She's so amazing.

Also, thanks to anon for sending this ask. I loved answering it!

Credits to the owner of the video

[dearweirdme]

Hi anon!

I cut out the blogmention, but for everyone reading… it’s a jkkr explaining the Hello Kitty situation.

First of all, I’ve personally come to a point where I just can’t take anything Jkkrs say seriously anymore. These are people who think Jk and Jm enlisting together is a show of their commitment. These are people )this particular blogger included) who think AYS was Jkk reconnecting after having gone through a rough time. So for them to call us out on adding stuff to fill in the gaps when that is truly all Jkkrs ever do is highly laughable and hypocritical imo. There’s Jkkrs making up romantic stories about Jm and Jk singing in the shower while at the base due to Jk’s live.. come on.

I am sure there are Tkkrs who take the Hello Kitty into elaborate romantic stories as well. That’s not what I have seen on here however. To us it’s just a clear connection between Tae and Jk that is just piled onto all the other smaller stuff that in total makes Taekook’s context. Sure you can try to explain away that connection by saying there is no proof that the Kitty connects Tae and Jk, but odds are crazy high that it is in fact the same Hello Kitty. Jk said his house was still not sorted out entirely, but the Hello Kitty sat in it’s place. It’s just funny the bendes people try to do when it comes to Tae and Jk. Like, you can just say Jk got that Kitty from Tae at Hawaii and it’s a cute sign of their closeness without it necessarily being romantic (and this blogger tried to do that because they want to be rational, but they just can’t help tugging at that connection at the same time.

[peachjagiya]

I don't know if I'm going to word this right but let's try.

This latest report hasn't revealed much to me about Taehyung and Jungkook's relationship with Hybe and hasn't changed much about my thoughts. All it's really done is reinforce what I already believed and added to the dossier if you like. It's been shocking to see it written down, maybe? Shocking to see how it's happened? Shocking to see that a fair few TKKrs on tumblr at least have been talking about this for as long as I've been around and how a lot of the theories that have developed here are absolutely spot on despite regular accusations of conspiracy theorising. But shocking like "I can't believe this!!!"? No.

I didn't even find JK defending NewJeans to be revelatory. Nor his calling out sasaeng outside his house.

(The first moment I realised JK was possibly not as much of a company guy as people thought was during Jimin's birthday live where he is audibly questioning staff about putting a mic on him and then the way he talked about being on his way home on camera.)

But TL;DR - It hasn't changed my thoughts on Taekook.

That being said:

This is my first time watching this clip in a few months. I used to be on the fence about it - I think I answered an ask saying this - I was never completely sure if he was referring to his relationship with Army or with someone else. It's been a Taekook Maybe for me.

But watching this particular clip now... with the context... maybe I am looking at it a bit differently? Knowing who JK is, how conscientious he is to injustice (against himself, his loved ones and others), it feels a little more like he might be venting in a more personal way rather than a generic idol vent.

Maybe this report has slightly removed my inclination to try to explain things away cutely to uphold some kind of "rational TKKr" idea when actually other readings might even make more sense with the Hybepocalypse backdrop.

Does anyone know what I mean?

[chevelleneech]

Watching Frankie Biggz react to the BTS guide, and apparently he said at some point that Tae was acting bitchy during episode 3 of AYS, and got attacked by people who claims he called Tae a bitch.

I don’t watch his reactions to AYS, so I have no idea how that situation went down, but in his reaction to the guide he’s explaining himself and is saying people apparently told him AYS is scripted, and that the show wrote Tae acting the way he did.

I hate that. Tae’s solos in particular are so fucking loud and obnoxious, that they’ve genuinely convincing people AYS is a scripted travel series, just because someone said Tae was acting bitchy. I disagree with Frankie, personally. I didn’t see any difference in Tae’s actions or words, but I’m also a long time fan of the group. I have a better understanding of his personality than someone just coming into the fandom, but that goes for all fans.

Those of us who have been around for 2+ years let alone 10, will obviously know Tae is much more dry and comes across as bitchy at times, and that’s fine. That’s his personality, but it doesn’t mean he can’t also be funny and care free. But to blatantly lie to someone and claim the entire show has been pre-determined and scripted, is such bullshit. Because going forward, Frankie isn’t going to have a true understanding of who Jimin and Jungkook are.

Do I anticipate this older man shipping them? Obviously fucking not, but him feeling as if he was manipulated by a script into viewing Tae a certain way, means he’s going to watch the remainder of the series with the wrong assumption. He’s going to think Jimin and JK are doing and saying things they’ve been written to do and say, and that paints an entirely different picture of their bond.

I truly fucking hate Tkkrs and toxic solos, because one single misunderstanding has led to a new fan stepping into an entirely different mindset now. Because not only is he goi g forward thinking AYS is fake, thus JM and JK likely don’t interact the way they’re shown in the show, but he’s also going to go forward believing Tae is a target of the company in some way, because he was written to come across as bitchy, when the fan made guide show him as being upbeat.

So ridiculous how easy it is to trick new fans, and it’s asinine that the majority of the fandom in Frankie’s comments aren’t calling it out. They’re just saying to not let negative fans get to him, and other (deserved) commented about how it’s okay to take a step back if he wants to. But no one is telling him those toxic fans stem from one specific issue, and that’s them hating Jimin. That’s them hating the fact that Jimin has a relationship (or whatever status) with Jungkook that Tae doesn’t, so they make up bullshit ass lies to make the importance JK himself has put upon Jimin in his life, seem less than what it is.

A handful of people trying to tell him the show wasn’t scripted and that’s just how Tae is, in a metaphorically crowded ass room of people yelling fuck shit, is just not working either. Especially when some of the people telling the truth, are also tacking on their own lies. Saying Tae was probably just tired or upset in episode 3, the same was JK was irritated in episode 6. IRRITATED WHERE!? The entire episode is him saying how happy he was to be back in Sapporo, and having fucking snowball fights with Jimin. He was smiling and laughing the entire damn episode, but one single moment of him JOKINGLY saying he’s being angry for the the sake of the show trumps all?

Fuck those people man. And I know I should be so frustrated, but Frankie Biggz seems like an alright dude so far. He’s a little older and says what he thinks, and the fandom hates that, but some people also welcome it, and that’s cool. But he also seems genuinely interested in the groups musicality as opposed to just wanting to watch them because he sees other people getting into kpop. So it’s incredibly annoying that Tkkrs got to him and are lying to him about who Tae is, as well painting a false image of Jimin and Jungkook’s dynamic.

[mimikoolover]

https://www.tumblr.com/mimikoolover/753926264796119040/ive-never-seen-one-jikooker-ever-defend-jungkook?source=share

u asked for a link to the tweet so i went to check on twitter but the acct is currently private as they do it often but the@ is @/seatotterskm13 now idk when she'll go off private cause sometimes she goes off private immediately sometimes after days but I'll see if i can get it when they're off private. I'm already preety inactive on twitter but I'll see and get it.

Even in the ppl in the gc i don't remember the names properly but like nochujimi, night2712 smtg, Keira, kookmoons etc these accts are in the video too and even i have seen them defending jk. The tweets must be up there acct. Can scroll and see. I don't follow all of them i know only nochujimi and you can literally scroll through her twitter and see her defending jk multiple times. She's pro Palestine so she has called out scooter Barun but never once has she dragged golden or anything. Same with other accts. Anyways some of them accts in the video has requested for the archived which shows deleted data which might come off. Idt ppl has time to listen to jk's album and show literal receipts of that while also hating on him in some GCS like pretending on twitter is one thing but pretending to like jk's music in ur private is another. Kookmoons has showed receipts of her recent streamings too.

https://x.com/kookmoons/status/1804238913382293599

Like i very well know how ppl can frame you i have been through that so when I see someone exposing another human my first thought is always how much truth it holds. Ppl on this damn app accuse you of based off of their assumptions and bs so i will always question how much truth it holds no matter what. I won't if it's coming from jk anti but when i know atleast one acct from it why should i belive that gc? That too from jjks? The closeted tkkrs? And this ain't coming from manipulation this is coming from experience who's been on that app and in the fandom for yrs now.

https://curiouscat.live/hoetolegy/post/1356358130

This is supposed to be a jm biased jkkr yet she always defends jk, golden on tl in her cc. This one is just recent but there's tens of her doing so during all these months. she always said that jk deserves all that promo and so does jm but dragging jk ain't it. her frnd circle is also jkkr and all of them have defended jk. That's why i said you're on wrong side of twitter idk.

granted most of them are ot2 but you saying "i have never seen jkkrs defend jk" is something else. Hope you don't expect us to keep links to all the tweets of jkkrs defending jk cause you'd ask me them defending jm and i still won't be able to bring many cause i don't keep tab but i see it when it happens.

I looked back on nochujimin's tweets and I could not see one where they defend Jungkook against jimin solos.

this person in particular appeared in the video saying that they agree with jimin solos.

that's where this originated from in my brain. they have pretty much admitted to being a jimin solo.

idc if they claim to love jungkook. I don't care if they seemingly defend him from tkkers because they're just playing their shitty war with tkkers, it's not about jungkook.

until I see these people denouncing jimin solos and talk about tkkers, jjks and pjms in the same breath, including pjms in their rants, then I will believe they are not jungkook antis.

they never need to mention pjms because pjms don't hate on jimin and they only care about the hate jimin gets. aka they are jungkook antis.

[causesciencethatswhy]

The way Jikooks friendship even gets so minimised, all because JM is as close to JK as they want themselves or their self insert to be (because they don't understand/care for real Tae either) is so hurtful. Even beyond shipping, it's vile. It's also very telling how this is happening to Jimin in particular. Reeks of homophobia and a whole lot of internalised misogyny if you ask me. Same with Hoseok a lot of the time, too, especially in the Yoonmin dynamic.

The state of Army especially on twitter is...a lot to take in.

Exactly what I keep thinking. I've always considered that the vitriolic hate tkkrs/kpop fans in general have for jm is a result of internalized misogyny and I remember blinks or someone had mocked army's when they'd first brought it up because apparently men cannot be victim's of misogyny (some people need to really take a gender studies class in college is all I'm saying to that ).

Because jm presents in a more softer way that lends to feminity he also becomes the easy soft target to becoming the "other women" to their ships. It kind of made me really notice how a lot of the type of fetishisy shipper groups that you see in bl/fujoshi spaces are very similar to how tkkrs behave. The same intense hatred for the 'women'/women aligned characters and the immediate dislike for more feminine queer men is all something I've seen in fetishing bl spaces a lot.

The way jimin presents is much more obviously queer than any other member (purely based on mannerisms, cause if you hear joon or yoongi talking about love for a few minutes you can put two and two together). And his overt queerness makes a lot of cis hetero shippers (or kpop fans ) uncomfortable because they're forced to confront their internalized homophobia and misogyny head on. So they find a way to diminish his importance to the other members or villanise to cartoonish levels to deal with that discomfort.

I think the jikook suffer the worst brunt of this because jk for a majority of the fandom is the 'ideal boyfriend material' member , and that's perfectly fine as long as you're still able to see him as a full person outside of your fantasies of him. Jk obviously adores and admires jm (even if we're just looking at them as platonic besties). There should be no apparent reason to feel so threatened by jimins presence and importance in his life, except you see something There too. Except jimins queerness makes you uncomfortable and you project that onto jk.

As for the hobi thing with ynmin I honestly had no idea that he gets similar treatment in their theories (tho I'm not too surprised if that's the case).

I can barely scroll through army twt these days tbh. It's just bad takes, solo stan recruitment or ppl being dismissive of actual issues that army's should be focusing on like the kicking out 🛴 Braun from hybe, but instead being forced to debate blinks for the 100th time.

[struggle-but-its-all-ocean-floor]

“But what you feel is exactly what I felt when the first teaser for Seven dropped and the "feat. Latto" appeared. My stomach sank, and I got so annoyed and angry I couldn't even muster up any enthusiasm for the song.”

^ what you said here perfectly sums up my feelings too, and also how I felt about seven 😂

Don’t mind vminkook together, but feel most of us signed up for the jikook dynamic and to see how they are in certain situations. This will certainly shift the dynamic. Also can’t help but feel when you go out in 3s, there’s always a pair and a single person and it can make people feel left out sometimes:/ and if Jimin is the “left out” one, I just *know* what people are going to say

That’s also the main off putting part, the tkkr and “fan” reactions - they hated the show one week and now say it “speaks volumes” the next, gimme a break ….

(Also would feel like this if any other member came along, bc just wanna see jikook together as we get so few moments or even photos together now… would feel like this even if they’d asked the .. kayak instructor to come along with them!😂 it’s not just V,, but Vs fans will ruin it that’s for certain)

I agree with you. I would only be excited about Jin joining Jikook, since Jinkook are my favorite dynamic. His presence would definitely change things, but at least no one would care. Barely anyone ships Jin with Jungkook or Jimin, and Jinkook in particular are always dismissed as clowns who act like children together. Their bond is never taken seriously at all... Jhope would've been a non-issue too, and we probably would've seen a similar Jikook dynamic as in the US since they all hang out together a lot and Hobi is very supportive of Jikook imo. But Namjoon, V, and Yoongi are all shipping minefields...

it's hard to separate our experience from what the fandom says!

Thanks for the ask!

[stormblessed95]

Hi Storm! How have you been? Wouldn't be really surprised if we were to see some insecure jikookers (I've reported and blocked antis/tkkrs/haters-don't really care for what they have to say anyway) coming out now. I think you've also mentioned this previously where this particular group of people undergo a cycle. Only for them to retract what they said, once we see the whole jikook picture once again.

Somehow, I'm reading speculations about, this is not the jikook I know, why is there a disconnect between them if they're not platonic, they didn't see each other, they're too aggressive and sarcastic towards each other, they lack the softness etc esp JK, and I'm like, they're not one-dimensional, and previous original content have shown this side of jikook with each other.

Saying they're rougher and dismissive of each other, there's no emotional connection etc, given the circumstances (JK stressed out about his performance, the weather, lots of things on his plate; Jimin with a stomach bug and accidentally elbowed on the nose, his lack of sleep). Completely disregarding all the little moments showing how much they care and look out for each other, their playfulness, those touches, the way they've always been. So sorry this got too long. I'm just excited to watch the next episodes and get the behind the scene eps.

PS I am quite curious if you thought of anything or have an opinion on Jungkook telling Jimin, "Yes, you're here. Finally." And Jungkook playing My You while they were in the car. Thank you!

I'm low-key enjoying all the theories I'm seeing around, if not simply for the diversity of the mind and because I'm completely detached from it for now. Lmfao

I cry over the finally moment here

[theschizotypalsolilquy]

https://www.tumblr.com/theschizotypalsolilquy/748659134345412608/so-you-agree-memories-of-his-first-ever-gcf-with?source=share

Wait a damb minute....i have been a jkkr for yrs now and how the heck i didn't know 11/08 is supposed to be the jkk anniversary? As far as i know we celebrate 11/08 as GCFT's anniversary and because gcft is special for us we might celebrate it in more excitement than anything else. And since it's the date he posted gcft we give it important cause again back to the point it's a gcft date. Where the heck anon got it's a jikook anniversary?? Do you think we're tkkrs who go around 1538352th taekook day in 365 days?? There's no such"jikook day" or "jikook anniversary" thing here. We celebrate the moment that happened at a particular date which we find big and important for us we don't call any day as jikook day. You'll never see any big jkk account calling 11/08 jikook day. Other small accts might think so but we don't do it like tkkrs here.

And his first ever gcf is still special cause jungkook himself said he'd never forget the trip in an interview, they have talked about the trip in multiple interviews. Even though they have already went to japan so they had other options to go for travelling yet they went to japan again. And do not forgot the fact that no one knew jk was going to upload gcft cause no one was aware of it neither the staff nor jimin or members. jungkook himself said "gcft was different and i did what i wanted cause it wasn't work" and said since other gcfs are work related he has restrictions which he didn't had for gcft so you can crawl back anon.

Exactly.

See, GCFT is not a Jikook event for me.

Because it's all about Jimin.

It's JK showing us the Jimin we never get to see.

Does it help that the song he paid to use is about LGBTQ love? Fucking absolutely.

And as much stock as I put into that GCFT and celebrate it as JK's debut as a filmmaker, the one that holds more weight to me, in my not so humble opinion, is GCF in Saipan.

Now that one?? Oh, that is a love ballad for Jimin from JK. Because he doesn't wanna hide no more. What he found in Jimin is "so real".

Do i think that GCFT holds a special place for JK and Jimin? Yes. But I've never looked at it as an anniversary for them.

[akookminsupporter]

Rosie ohmygod I know you don't like talking about the cult but holy shit. I almost feel bad for them after this live omg. The way Jungkook reacted to the living together question was so??? I was cringing so hard ohmygod. If this happened with any ship I think is real I'd just go hide in a hole for a while like???

And people on twitter are trying to make it seem like he was shutting down all shippers but nope. Just one group in particular. Cause as much as I loathe shippers (even jikookers) mentioning ships in lives, I'm sure there were jikook shippers in those comments acting a mess too and he decided to ignore them and shut down the other group. Just wow

Oh, I know, Jungkook was already in a certain mood during that WLIVE, so his deadpan responses were... 😳🫢 the other response that gave me a bit of second-hand embarrassment was when someone said that Tae wanted to do a WLIVE with him and Jungkook said that Tae had never said anything to him, like 😅

The other funny part of this is how they are acting on twitter. Some are distancing themselves from these tkkrs saying that they are the problem and that's why everyone thinks they are the same. Others saying that Jungkook just didn't want to tell the truth because it would expose their relationship (I thought tkk was no longer a secret, that's what the subgroup said a few months ago, no?) and I saw some blaming jikookers for some reason 😭

[starryjkoo]

The sad, unfortunate truth is that so many “Army” won’t take the hate Jimin gets seriously until actual physical harm is attempted, or god forbid, actually happens to him; if you point out how much more intense the hate he receives and it just gets turned into “they all get hate” or “X member gets it worse” or “what about Jimin solo stans??”

For so long hate and vitriol and just downright nastiness toward Jimin in particular from pretty much every other fandom has been deemed acceptable for some reason, to the point where even his own fandom who claims to love him either turns a blind eye, or in some cases subtly (or not so subtly) participates in it, and it’s truly heartbreaking given how loving and kind he is

Jimin deserves the world but the world does not deserve him

Like, I don’t even know what to say at this point? The hate Jimin receives (especially from tkkrs) is so ridiculously normalized in this fandom that ARMYs don’t even react to it anymore. Not only do they ignore it, they actively downplay it — either because they’re part of the tkk community or because they enjoy the content that comes out of it.

They’ll actually try and act like the problem is out of their hands but then turn around and openly engage with tkk AUs in OT7 spaces mere days after Jimin received death threats from that very community. They really think they hold zero responsibility for the hate Jimin receives from shippers?

Instead of shamelessly referencing tkk AUs (from a JM anti author, fork found in kitchen) why aren’t they mass ratio-ing these tkkrs, why aren’t they brigading their toxic communities, why isn’t “boracity magazine” making an informative YouTube video about this? It should be top priority for our fandom to dismantle their massive communities and clear up their very wide-spread anti narratives, but it’s treated like it’s not even a concern at all, not our problem.

They are so callously dismissive of it because they’re defensive over being shippers and consuming ship content themselves (always trying to push the blame on “toxic” shippers as if there’s a way to engage with tkk ship content without continuously brushing hands with antis — and no, the jkk creative community is NOT even remotely similar, this is not an “all-shipper” issue).

ARMY is one of the largest and most organized fandoms in existence. There are so many things they could be doing to dismantle the toxic parts of shipping spaces, but they won’t. It’s never been something they couldn’t do, it’s always been something they didn’t want to do.

I love BTS, I like a lot of individuals within the ARMY community and I do personally know some non-JM biased ARMYs who love and support him. But the fandom at large is entirely complicit in the hate Jimin receives, has shielded and nurtured it, and you will never convince me that they genuinely care about him (I’d probably argue that a lot of them don’t genuinely care about any of the members tbh).

Some of them are setting him up for hate and shading him as we speak over the AMA nominations because they’re so resentful and bitter that he receives more awards than some of the other members. That’s how I would expect solos to think and act, not ARMYs? How is it acceptable for an ARMY to say they hope he loses an award or that voting for a specific BTS member makes you more OT7 than another? (they have been continuously weird about Jikook's solo careers all throughout CH2)

Also notice how every other member received one of those viral praise tweets from ARMYs except for Jimin? Yeah. It’s just getting worse for him in main fandom spaces to the point some days it feels like they’re openly ostracizing him. And no, that’s not just paranoid overly biased thinking. Even HYBE acknowledged in their freaky leaked documents that ARMYs dropping JM over fandom issues was a point of concern. If you’ve paid attention, the engagement for JM related content within ARMY spaces has noticeably dropped in CH2. Oh, and they didn’t vote for him for iheart either despite winning every single fan voted award the previous year.

if you point out how much more intense the hate he receives and it just gets turned into “they all get hate” or “X member gets it worse” or “what about Jimin solo stans??”

Yeah, this is ridiculously frustrating and they do it constantly. Acknowledging that JM receives the most hate over shipping is not for the purpose of some bizarre oppression Olympics. The point is to shed light on a specific and concerning issue that impacts him so we can work to resolve it. The JM hate is literally the root of the general shipping toxicity in this fandom. For example, TH only received hate over this recent situation BECAUSE of tkkrs and their hatred for Jimin.

No one is saying to ignore hate the other members receive or that they receive none? Deflecting like that is such a ridiculous tactic to derail the conversation and minimize the problem. It’s not lost on me that it’s usually tkkrs who do this, or diets of other members (and tkk diets are also usually tkkrs, so…). There is no way someone can try to seriously argue that JM does not receive the most amount of hate from shipping. Hearing that shouldn’t trigger you unless you’re a diet or a solo yourself.

I’ll also never forget how bad the harassment was leading up to AYS and the crickets from ARMYs until it was another member. When TH was announced for Jeju suddenly my non-shipping account exploded with people calling out jkkrs and ratioing their flop anti tweets. No, I’m not saying that ARMYs shouldn’t call that out, but you’re telling me they were capable of addressing and bringing this to main fandom spaces the whole time? ARMYs were actually willing to quote toxic shippers and make fun of their narratives but just… chose not to when it was JM and Jikook? Mind you the jkkr tweets weren’t even HALF as bad as tkkrs, they were just being shady about “TH inviting himself”. Not like tkkrs + JJKs harassing JMs dad during that specific time, or the stuff they were saying about JM + Jikook’s bond in general (the same very damaging narratives that have taken hold of half the fandom).

Yeah man, I’m tired. Sorry to keep ranting on this for days now, I'll chill soon. I’m not always in a mood to talk on it because I know it’s not changing and that it’s better to focus on fun and positive things and ways to genuinely support but sometimes you just need to call it out because it’s bizarre and people SHOULD be calling it out more often. How could anyone who loves Jimin not feel a festering resentment for this fandom? Maybe if you hang out within other ARMY communities it’s better (OT7 Tumblr ARMYs seem cool, I’ve said before the Jikook creative community is startlingly OT7, reddit was alright before Twitter ARMYs brigaded it, in general just having a small group of ARMY friends is fun) but Twitter has always been the core part of the organized fandom so the fact that it’s so nasty towards Jimin lately says a lot.

[mrs-monaghan]

https://www.tumblr.com/chimsvante/716426547225149440/hi-there-i-have-a-question-and-i-feel-like-you?source=share

I saw this ask on another jikook blog and i want to know your opinion about this particular moment the anon was talking about bcz it does feel weird when he went directly to tae for a hug when jimin was in front of him waiting for a hug first.

@chimsvante allow me to steal this gif from you

That's not weird at all to me anon.

But first, can I just say these days I am so cautious of asks like these. They come very nicely coated to sound like it's a Jikooker talking when it's just a vermin trying to start shit. Now I'm not saying you anon or the other anon are tkkrs in disguise, but I'm just cautious is all. Especially because its not the first time JK has hugged other members instead of Jimin even though his boyfriend was right there. So my eyebrow is raised because why bring up the instance with V only?

U get me? Anyway. Sure let's talk about it. But before we do, just incase a Tkkr is reading this, I'd like to remind y'all of a few things that happened during those episodes.

--> My favorite and the most devastating thing ever. JK fishing for Jimin's plushie. He tried and failed and tried and failed until he got frustrated and took off. But what happens after he leaves? He succeeds and doesn't even know it 😭😭😭 JK come back u did it!!!

Tweet.

--> A hug where JK did hug Jimin first so clearly there was no issue. (But notice how quickly he lets go of him)

--> A happy JK when Jimin succeeded pulling the cloth. Notice Jimin went to him first for a hug but JK is clapping instead. (I'm sensing a pattern that I'll address in a minute)

--> Jikook sitting next to eo when eating. Because of course they are

--> How we got everyone else touching eo to guess the dance move but when it was Jikook's turn it cut to Jin. And all we got was this photo

Also, JK what has Jimin's ear got to do with it???

---> Teleport Jimin

--> That whole game how JK kept an Eagle eye whenever it was Jimin getting touched. Especially by V and Suga.

--> In charge Jimin pulling JK possessively towards him where we got this photo

--> Jin had to finish his game before leaving so Jimin said he would wait for him. All others left except JK. Because as we all know they used to use the same car and go to the same house ☕

--> Let's wrap this up with a compilation of Jikook moments from them episodes. Lots of satellite Jeon BTW. So even though he was cautious with them hugs, he was still hovering.

All that is to say if there is anything getting insinuated its not true. Jikook were very fine, with the same habits, same behaviour towards eo.

Now your question why JK hugged V instead of Jimin could be a number of reasons (I cannot speak on the neurodivergent stuff coz I have 0 knowledge on it) but I can only think of one.

1) We've established it happens often and not just with V. Let's not forget that, please.

So, It could be what my anon and i talked about here. JK being cautious to do skinship with Jimin but him having no issue when it comes to other members. Because with Jimin its gonna hit different. That's his boyfriend and he can't help but overthink.

I am leaning more towards this option because we saw Jimin hug JK and Hobi but only Jhope hugged him back. We saw him let go of Jimin quite quickly. Why? Well, we know why. Here when Jimin pulls JK in for that photo they both look at RM. That's suspicious 🧐

Thanks for your question, anon.

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Bonus: We don't talk about Yoonmin; JK's tongue in cheek thing when Jimin suggests him and Suga do the touching thing again. He he hee

[dearweirdme]

This jikook vs taekook argument can go on from today till the cows come home but the truth is that, in all the years of bts being together as a group jikook have done things with each other which could support the suspicion of them being more than friends more than anything taekook have ever done.

I find that believing that taekook are a couple has more to do with how people perceive their words and actions as opposed to the things they actually do for and to each other that could possibly point to them being a couple.

All these years, since the very beginning, its always been jimin and Jungkook spending nights together, watching first snow together, being together on couple days and birthdays, doing things for each other they don’t do for other like Jungkook only buying a birthday gift for Jimin, only dedicating a single gcf to Jimin, only making the biggest pancake for Jimin without the latter even asking, spending alot of alone and down time together, being with each other in moments you would expect most people in romantic relationships to be. I mean, i still remember being in the fandom in 2018 when the members did that one magazine interview and this entire fandom grew tired of how much jikook talked about being with each other or mentioned each other. That was the same year Jk talked about spending his new year bowling and doing karaoke with Jimin and that was the same year Jimin got back from Japan after finishing his schedules with Hobi there on Valentines day and was seen with Jk and his friend Ha Sungwoon on the street on their way to an escape room. That was also the same year there were constanst sitings of Jikook together taking taxis, taking trains and around the building where Jk was rumoured to have bought an apartment back then. Even before they travelled to the US for Ptd didn’t Jikook go to get their vaccines together at the same time at the same location?

Apart from all the videos that have been analyzed to death and taekook’s hangouts in chapter two what else could logically support the idea that taekook are a couple? They literally don’t do anything coupley if you take away your perception of them, your assumptions and somethings that you think are true like how you believe you hear them hiding in each other’s lives.

You can pick apart things as much as you like but anybody who isn’t biased who decides to take a closer look at jikook’s and Taekook’s relationship over the years would definitely point to Jikook as the possible couple before they think of pointing to taekook.

Taekookers don’t base their arguments on facts but on their personal feelings about taekook or how they percieve taekook because if tkkrs based their argument on the facts that we’ve gotten over the years, there’s no way you would really believe that taekook is real. You don’t have to believe Jikook either because some things don’t make sense with jikook too but i think jikook would come off more believable than taekook in any court that deals with facts over people’s perception.

I also think it is a bit silly that tkkrs mostly pick one period of time and base all their arguments on like you don’t have any basic knowledge of life and how things ebb and flow in relationships. One particular period hardly confirms or debunks the possibility of something being real or not because even if you are right about Jikook not seeing much of each other in chapter two, how does that change everything they did all the years before and even after that period? You cannot debunk a ship based on a period when things felt off because guess what, maybe things were off with them in real life but that hardly means there was never any relationship there because their history tells a completely different story and unless you want to cancel all the years before chapter two, taekook as a couple just doesn’t make sense bec before chapter two Jk was literally always and i mean always with Jimin. Most of you are new so you didn’t experience the times when there was news of jikook sighting literally everyday. You are only used to taekook’s hangouts in chapter two. That’s all you know. It’s different when you see thijgs unfold and when you get pieces of information about them later. In the future too, all the taekook hangouts in 2023 will seem like a distant insignificant memory to some and everyone will forget about it and focus on who jk spends time with at that point.

Alright let’s tackle some things shall we..

This is not a Tkk vs Jkk argument for me. Jkk the way you see them isn’t real. It’s not a case of trying to discover who’s right.. for me it’s only ever about Tae and Jk and how I feel their relationship manifests itself… jkk has no role in that whatsoever. The ones constantly making this a Jkk vs Tkk situation are you lot. Never flipping ever will you see me go to a Jkk blog to try and convince them about Tae and Jk… it’s a lost cause.. I don’t even care aside from how many of you are the cause of hate in this fandom. Your sides constant way of coming back from someone telling you why Jm and Jk are just friends is to make it about Taekook… as if that’s a valid response to critical notions on your ship?! So please, coming to tkk blogs is useless and you will never make sense to most of the fandom.. it’s honestly not a tkk vs jkk thing.

I suppose we could say that Peach and I are the most active Tkk discussion blogs right now.. and yes we are both relatively new. We are however very able to learn and you claiming that our points of view have no value just because we are new is basically discrediting education as a whole. Sure there’s things we won’t know, but with the huge amount of footage there is, we get a long way. It’s also pretty silly of you to take two blogs as being representative of Tkkrs as a whole… especially when it’s clear that Tkk is the largest and the oldest ship. We as a fandom keep each other in check, by correcting information when someone is wrong… all your fandom does is ignore criticism and blow over critical asks by your own by instantly calling someone a hater if they don’t agree with the general narrative.

Taekookers don’t focus on 2023 alone.. that is again something your fandom has taken as a new argument as to why Tkkrs are wrong. You know why? Because it’s a little too close to comfort to you all. Because the significance of 2023 is ofcourse that it’s the first period of time when BTS members don’t have similar schedules. And out of Tkk and Jkk only Tae and Jk have been consistent in spending time together.. the difference is striking and it must sting a bit. So therefore your side is enlarging Tkkrs views of 2023. It’s ridiculous really, because even before last year there was plenty of Tkkrs convinced. Was 2023 important to us? Yes absolutely, but that was because it cemented our ideas.. it was not what initiated our thoughts at all.

I’m not going into all your Jkk proof stuff, because I’ve done that plenty. Jm and Jk are friends, that explains literally everything they ever did together. It’s not my problem that you all insert romance when there’s none.. and frankly it’s getting boring to hear the same childish stuff all over again. You think you’re the first to tell me these things… 😂😂😂.

The fact that there are more tkkrs than jkkrs is kinda an indication that your proof won’t hold up in court as much as tkk proof would don’t you think? It’s clear you aren’t well versed in Taekook. That alright, I don’t really expect a jkkr to be. But it is pretty weird to talk about all this without actually knowing what you’re talking about right? We can always tell that Jkkrs don’t know what we base our beliefs on. Because you always misrepresent us in your asks and discussions. All your ‘Taekookers believe this and that’s’ are pretty off most times.

Now, be gone please Jkkrs. I’m going back to posting tkk pics again. Enough of the madness.

[peachjagiya]

I am sorry but jkkers and so called neutrals who still somehow paint Tae as the thirdwheel should never be taken seriously. They watched that car conversation and still came out of it thinking jikook are the closest ever. Jk straight up said that they would not have met up if not for the show and I'm shocked that the editors actually kept that in as it made me truly side eye the way they promoted the show and the timing they chose for filming it.

Tae and Jk might not interact as much or be the main focus on cameras but no amount of weird editing, inconsistent narratives and cropping Tae out of the frame to exclude him and highlight jikook is going to change the fact that taekook have a relationship outside of work that they nurture and maintain even when their schedules are packed and jikook themselves admitted not making the effort hang out. This is the reality.

These people will continue to buy into whatever the company tries to sell because they think these men's lives and relationships become irrelevant when company cameras turn off. Seriously anyone who still believes Jikook are in a relationship or even the closest members played themselves and are stuck on a fantasy that BH sold them. They have no choice but to lie to themselves and make Tae the annoying third wheel because his relationship with Jk is always going to challenge that fantasy.

As Taekookers, we've known for a while that 2023 was a Jimkook desert. That conversation was, for us, confirmation of what we knew and we took it in the wider context that it's indicative of not only no ship but, in the most loving way, of no particular desperation to be around each other because both were out here making considerable effort staying close to other people.

So here's my devil's advocate though: I suppose you could read it, and I suspect this is why it stayed in, that they wanted badly to see each other and this trip was a long awaited relief for them.

That thought works... if you don't consider that JK made effort for Tae all year and Jimin for Yoongi. But I wonder if non-Tkkrs/Ymnrs actually engage with that information?

And remember this was filmed, and I'm going to suggest edited, before Tae dropped Hawaii. The narrative might have even felt different for us if we didn't know JK is the kind of guy to get on a plane for 9 hours for his person and managed to see his 97 Liners a good amount.

Does that make sense?

[chevelleneech]

Someone shared an edit that shows Jungkook as his sexy, tatted up self in a JK stan group and the post was captioned "congratulations to whoever bouncing on it" and me being me always looking for trouble, I commented "what if he's the one doing the bouncing?"

And just as I predicted, a bunch of people crashed out under my comment, talking about "that's weird, that can never happen", and the classic "you don't know him!" I told them they do not know him either to be saying someone's bouncing on his dick, and they genuinely didn't get it. Instead of just saying "well whatever/yes that could be/he could be doing both" or whatever like normal people, they reacted like I insulted their mothers. One even thought they said something smart by saying "we don't know his sexuality, but if he is "like that" he's definitely still the one getting his dick bounced on"

People can try to be so accepting of homosexuality, until they have to imagine the sexual part and suddenly people are fighting for their lives to prove how their faves absolutely 100% are not and will never be on the receiving end.

The misogyny is unbelievable. And coming from women..

“What if he’s the one doing the bouncing?” Is honestly the funniest thing I’ve read in a VERY long time, lmao!

You’re right though. Trying to get people to even partially agree that it’s possible for Jungkook to be queer, is like pulling teeth. Getting them to understand he could maybe like men exclusively, is impossible. Trying to make people understand he could enjoy anal sex regardless of his sexuality, and therefore be a Bouncer, is akin to asking someone to light a fire in outer space.

Mind you, I do not go around discussing JK’s potentially preferred bed positions, because I don’t care. I do think he’s probably gay and I do think he’s aware of what topping and bottoming is, as most adults who frequent online spaces are. More so if you’re an adult who 1) watches/watched porn 2) has queer friends 3) engage in queer media. All of which we know he did and does. Therefore, him answering “top” when asked, “top or bottom”, means he either is a top or prefers to top.

Who he’s topping? I don’t know, but it doesn’t make sense to be a fan who actively denounces the possibility of your fave man, in particular, being queer and/or into anal sex. Men in general freak out at the thought of it, because they don’t want to be seen as gay, even though that’s not how being gay works. But the point is, no one except Jungkook and the people or person he’s having sex with, if he’s having sex, knows what he likes and whether or not he is doing the bouncing or being bounced, and it truthfully doesn’t matter.

What you said is funny to me, though, because it’s true, but that’s the extent of it. I understand you weren’t being super serious to this people, but it’s both a simple yet reasonable thing to bring up given the context of conversation, but is also such a harmless joke. The same that can be made about pretty much anyone. I’ve seen people joke about Zendaya pegging Tom Holland, for fucksake, lol. It’s not that deep, no pun intended.

How someone has sex does not determine the kind of person they are. At least not completely, so those people should probably relax more. Especially because I don’t think Jungkook cares if people thinks he’s a bottom, likely because it’s never going to be revealed to us. Not in a way that satisfies the people who need 100% indisputable proof that he knows what gay sex is and how it’s had. Again, I do think he’d already answered the question, but a lot of people also believe he meant “top of the charts”, so… whatever, lol.

And you’re right again about it being rooted in misogyny and femmephobia. It’s why I believe Jimin is so heavily targeted by Tkkrs and JK solos. Jimin isn’t overly feminine, but his antis will make it seem so, because he’s slender and pretty. They can’t stand the idea of Jungkook enjoying the company of someone like him, which is why they are so desperate to paint the idea that Jimin is a sexual aggressor and JK is an unwilling participant. They don’t like the possibility of Jungkook being “beneath” someone they deem undeserving. It’s why he’s the big possessive one to both shipping and non-shipping fans. He’s the “man” in every scenario (gay ship or het fantasy), and “real men” never bottom aka “submit”. That’s a woman’s thing to do, according to their logic