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i will always say that we should've gotten more of the primary colour lawyer trio
#It's so sad man#the end of dd kind of suggested that we were getting more of the lawyer trio in general but. nope.#Next game and it's focused on Phoenix and Apollo#I'm not saying it wasn't needed though because clearly dd was about the waa#while SOJ was more about Apollo (with a side of Phoenix)#I can't think of any way the lawyer trio could be together like that shrug#But still đ#turnabout reclaimed would've been perfect for more lawyer trio#but the game kind of shoved Apollo to the side lmao#he did help but only a little#anyway i'll never get over the fact Phoenix says âI'm a lucky guy... My office has the best most capable lawyers around!â#to athena and apollo in 5-5#wahhhh#[wright anything agency!]#[a lawyer and his lawyerlings]#[waaisms' posts]#ace attorney
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Okay y'know despite not receiving any answers on Apollo's apparent lack of character, I think I have figured out why people think as much about him. It's purely that they tend to just fill in their perceived lack with a more Phoenix motivation than Apollo's own actual motivations. Apollo gets conflated with Phoenix, especially in DD, despite how in AJ he wants nothing to do with Phoenix after his first case. It's easier to just treat Apollo as an extension of Phoenix since Phoenix is the main stay, the main focus, even if that couldn't be the furthest thing from the reality of the text.
Apollo wants the truth above all else. It's why he reveals that Machi is a smuggler and Vera is a forger despite how it might damage his clients' credibility. (We don't get things like this in DD, and in SOJ it's more revealing Datz is a terrorist would lose his case immediately. I think, at least.) But usually, when I see people muse in their fics on how Apollo would take defending an actually guilty client, they have him swap sides immediately. Just like Phoenix would. And I think that's not what Apollo would do. There's plenty of evidence in AJ that shows Apollo doesn't flip sides so immediately. He accused his teacher since the evidence and logic led him (/us) to that conclusion, but the entire time he was hoping for a different explanation. He pursued the truth in spite of his own misgivings on the situation. He presents the forged card because he is being manipulated into this, being led straight into the waiting jaws of that snake trap made specially to snare Kristoph.
He was naive, and he makes sure that doesn't happen again. Even in the final case of AJ, he makes sure to explain the second forged piece, to explain the same trick of it that Phoenix made for the first forged piece. It doesn't work this time (and I am begging Phoenix to have thought up a better way to get traces of poison from a convicted inmate's cell, even despite how favoured Kristoph was), but Apollo knows what he is doing now. He acknowledges instead of attempting to fudge anything, in direct contrast to Phoenix's own actions from the original trilogy.
I don't think he'd deny his client's guilt if they did truly commit the murder. I think he'd still fight for the truth, wouldn't settle for just a guilty verdict until the whole plot was figured out. Apollo wants to help his clients, sure, but that's never been his driving force. How could it be when it was never his choice who he ended up defending? What he wants is to know the truth. He wants to understand how the crime happened and follows the logical conclusion from that on how this crime occurred.
To be fair to Phoenix, he was under duress when this happened to him both times (Matt and Iris). But Phoenix is driven by belief in his clients while Apollo is driven by the desire to uncover the truth. Similar but very different motivations, I think.
I think this is also what separates Phoenix from Ryuunosuke. Phoenix believes in his clients. Ryuunosuke had to learn that belief but also carries Apollo's drive for the truth. He will claw and scrape until the worst is revealed, even if it hurts someone. (He'll feel terrible about it later, but he will still expose Kazuma's guilt in almost killing a man for the sake of the truth.) Taking this even further, the one who decides how like Phoenix or Apollo's motivations Ryuunosuke is are the choices the player can make. They might be meaningless choices narratively, but they matter in the same way the Matt Endgarde decision matters. You can choose for Ryuunosuke to turn a blind eye to McGilded's forgeries, belief in your client above all else. Or you can have Ryuunosuke acknowledge there is something shady happening here, truth above all else. Or you can have a mixture of the two! (I chose this option, making Ryuunosuke question the new evidence but ultimately pleading for a Not Guilty verdict.) It's a fascinating way to mix these two's strongest driving forces and leave it to the player to determine how much each side affects Ryuunosuke's personality as shown in the text.
Phoenix is willing to fudge the truth for the sake of his clients. We see as much in 3-3. Apollo would never do such a thing, he is here to find out the truth, no matter how ugly. And Ryuunosuke sits in-between the two, a little of column A and a little of column P. I just find this distinction between all of them so fascinating.
All this being said, I'd love to see Phoenix be put in this situation where he isn't under duress for once, actually. What he would do is fascinating to me hahaha
#Momo writes stuff#Essay time for Momo#Ace Attorney#Apollo Justice#Phoenix Wright#Ryuunosuke Naruhodou#Ryunosuke Naruhodo#Spoilers#The Great Ace Attorney#TGAA#Dai Gyakuten Saiban#DGS#Literary analysis brain goes brrrrr#Meta analysis#God I love this series and its weird protags#Give Athena the spotlight I bet she could have so much to say as well
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FINALLY yall get to see this lmao, basically Ive had an au (??) rattling around in my head where Apollo decides to hire Kay, a private investigator, to help him find and track down his birth mother, shenanigans ensue, some more things abt it under the cut (feel free to ask anything abt it it lives rent free in my head JHKLJ)
-Most likely takes place a year after SOJ- Though I havent actually watched it for myself yet so Im just going off of info from the wiki HGJKHL
-Kay is 26! shes been a PI for about 3 years now and has gained a rep for being VERY good at her job
-Apollo approaches her with basically nO info or leads and while its gonna Make their job MUCH harder, Kay decides to take it on anyways on the condition that Apollo acts as her assistant during this case
-Basically this is just Apollos lil secret mission for himself, he doesnt tell anyone else abt it since its so emotionally heavy for him
-Im not sure exactly /how/ theyd do it, but I do know that Apollos bracelet would be the best bet after looking through way too much paperwork, probably via finding out what its made out of it since its a special kind of metal
- Basically it'd go like: Find out who commissioned said bracelet > turns out it was Magnifi Gramarye > Uh Oh.PNG > Theres only one woman who was in Troupe Gramarye > Apollo crisis whenever he sees Trucy now > He needs more proof though beside that > Kay finds an older recording of Troupe Gramarye, Thalassa is seen out of costume, wearing both bracelets > Well it cant be just coincidence now > He Is Now a lil Magician man > Now they have to find Thalassa > Turns out shes dead > find out that she didnt ACTUALLY die, Magnifi faked her death> not sure how they would get from here to finding out Thalassa is Lamiroir > Also find out that Phoenix has knwon this entire time and didnt tell either trucy or Apollo > mixed emotions over aLL of it but GOD Apollo is just happy to know his mother is still alive
-I like to think that Trucy joins Apollo and kay at some point in their investigation since shes directly involved at that point
-Maybe a small side plot where Apollo hasnt told Kay about the perceive thing and so he knows shes lying about /something/ unrelated to their case (the whole being the yatagarasu deal)
-overall I think Kay and Apollo would be good friends they could ABSOLUTELY match each others energy and it'd be a good time, they're trans girl trans guy solidarity
-It /c o u l d/ be like an Investigations like plot wheres theres different cases that all tie into the greater mystery OR finding his mom is the focus of it Im not totally sure yet hjgkhlj
#ace attorney#apollo justice#kay faraday#indys art#Ive been calling this 'Sirens echo au' in my head cause I think im funny HJGKHLJK#I REALLY wanted to use my older kay design and idea SOMEWHERE and the seCOND I thought of this I was so excited hgkjhlj#listen apollo deserves at least one parental figure whos alive alright#if capcom wont resolve this plot line i WILL goddamnit
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There's something I wish we talked more about...
Everyone likes wondering about how the big "Lamiroir is actually Thalassa Gramarye and Trucy and Apollo are her kids" reveal would affect our oblivious pair of half-siblings. But I noticed that a grand total of NO ONE thinks about how certain other characters would also take the news. Mainly in Apollo's Khura'in family. (There will be SoJ spoilers below)
Let's start with an easy one. Datz.
He already knows Apollo (as "AJ"), and it looks like he meets Trucy when saving Apollo and Dhurke from the undersea cavern. Obviously a generally fun-loving fellow who I bet would happily call Trucy an honorary Defiant Dragon if he caught wind of her being Apollo's sister. Doubly so when remembering she managed to stow away in Edgeworth's luggage to reach Khura'in. (Rule-breakers need to stick together!) He'd probably also assign her some kind of nickname like TW or something, and consider himself her new uncle. He also seems like the only one crazy enough to willfully be Trucy's magic assistant/guinea pig, which would spare Apollo and Athena.
Then comes Rayfa, our dear crown princess.
While not as emotionally invested as her brother (and we'll get to him), it would be a surprise to learn that "Horn Head" has a little sister. And it just so happens to be the girl with the strange blue hat who was watching from the gallery during the trial that got Ga'ran deposed. While a bit upset that she never really got to talk to her back then, Rayfa would be fairly alright with seeing Trucy as a sister of some kind... and discuss with her the ways of pestering both of their brothers all in good fun.
Of course, Trucy would be over the moon to the mere idea of calling Rayfa her little sister, especially when she's a literal princess on the road to being queen. Their personalities could bounce off of each other surprisingly well, and maybe Trucy can help Rayfa swallow enough of her pride to actually call either of the boys "brother." And thanks to Phoenix's connections to Maya and Pearl, Trucy knows other spirit mediums who might be able to help Rayfa in her training.
And now we get to someone with a bit more... complicated stake in the matter, and honestly the meat and potatoes for this whole post: Nahyuta.
Being completely honest here, I think our dear Last Rites Prosecutor would take this news as a complete slap in the face. "Let it go and move on" mantra be damned, he'd basically be told "Hey, remember your first case against Apollo? With that magician girl you tried to get convicted for murder who turned out to have been framed? Yeah, she's actually your brother's sister, which also kinda makes her your sister by proxy. You unknowingly tried to get your own sister condemned for murder and quite possibly put on death row." (Since, y'know, capital punishment's still a thing in Ace Attorney L.A.)
Even if we almost never see our Not Guilty defendants hold a grudge against the prosecutors, Nahyuta's entire deal in Spirit of Justice was doing everything he possibly could to protect his baby sister and his mom, being unnecessarily harsh with the defense and the accused in the process. So finding out that he tried to condemn someone who could be considered part of his family on a false charge wouldn't be without consequence. (Turnabout Revolution only proved that because of his parents' direct involvement.)
Undoubtedly, he'd see fit to apologize to Trucy personally upon learning about her being Apollo's little sister, and would do so at his earliest convenience. But we can all be certain that she'd gladly accept him as another big brother regardless of any perceived "past transgressions." There would be hugs involved, I'm sure, and Nahyuta would be able to... possibly bring out the protective and caring big brother he was supposed to be from the very beginning.
Side note: Y'know this here lightning thing you see with Amara when she gets mad? And also Dhurke's dragon glare when he goes Mad Dad on Paul Atishon?
I get the feeling Nahyuta would inherit either or both of their little tricks to some extent when his big brother instinct REALLY kicks into high gear.
#ace attorney#spirit of justice#datz are'bal#rayfa padma khura'in#nahyuta sahdmadhi#trucy wright#the inherent fluff of the Perception siblings and the Khura'in royal siblings claiming one another as family#and especially the inherent fluff of Big Brother Yuty
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Spirit of Justice rewrite
Had a moment where I really got thinking abt the game and went into rewrite modeâ I donât think Iâll expand on this concept for a bit because I have to finish DGS and have other projects Iâm more invested in, but figure it couldnât hurt to just throw down the ideas I have before I forget. Under the cut so I donât clog the dash!
So first things first the biggest change I would make is relegating this game to spinoff land. My biggest issue with SOJ as a whole is how steeped the narrative is in some weird colonialism, and I think just taking the main cast out entirely could remedy Most of that. At the very least, making the entire cast Kuhrainese gets rid of the whole âwe need foreigners to come and fix our legal systemâ thing, which is my main problem with the plot
Due to the above, Phoenix / Maya / Athena / Miles / etc are taken out completely. Apollo is too integral to the plot, so he gets replaced with an OC that serves as our protagonist. My current placeholder name for him is Hermes, but in this post Iâll just call him Protagonist
Protagonist keeps a lot of elements of the Apollo backstoryâ heâs the son of a traveling musician who died in the fire that âkilledâ Amara and was adopted / raised by Dhurke. I am tweaking it so that heâs 4 years younger than Nahyuta, mostly bc I thought that was canon the entire time
Instead of being sent to America, heâs sent to a temple. Dhurke assumes that because Nahyuta has royal blood, heâll be safe at the castle and can safely keep an eye on things / his mama, while Protagonist gets sent to the temple because killing a monk would be a political disaster and thatâs the only way Dhurke can think to protect him
Protagonist really wants to help the cause though, so he runs away from the temple at some point to become a bard-like figure, collecting information and helping the revolution while being a traveling musician. Using his status as an entertainer, he gets into places he otherwise wouldnât to get intel and secretly studies law on the side
When his friend from his temple days (Ahlbi) is accused of theft and murder, he takes up the mantle of his adoptive father to defend him in court! No idea what his gimmick, if anything, will be. I think Dance of Devotion is enough but we'll see
Nahyutaâs plot is something thatâs still very up in the air, but atm my biggest change is that he knows about Amaraâs hiding and is being blackmailed to protect HER, not Rayfa. Iâm unsure if I wanna keep the Rayfa sibling thing or not, but in spite of that the two are actually closer than in canon
Another big change is that because everyone is Kuhrainese and Ema is no longer in the game, thereâs no detective! Thatâs where Rayfa comes in. Iâm still shaky on the in-universe reason for her acting as quasi-detective, my current idea is that itâs imperative for her to get as much detail as possible so she can more accurately make her insights. Really I just wanna see more of her
By consequence, sheâs around investigations much more often, following around both Protagonist and Nahyuta. Nahyuta in general just shows up more outside of the courtroom, and him and Rayfa have a strong bond and lots of banter with each other and the protagonist
Another slight tweak is that this gameâs timeline is changed, taking place in the 90s and not the 2020s. The literal only reason for this is that I think Nahyuta studied abroad to learn about other legal systems and came back with the most out of touch 90s slang ever. He wears shutter shades in court
Final tweak for now is that the civil trial aspect of Turnabout Revolution is cut entirely, instead being replaced with a flashback caseâ Dhurke defending himself from the arson and regicide accusations with Datz as his co-counsel. It's simultaneously horrifying and silly
that's it for now! I might add more to this if I think of anything else :)
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so as im playing more and more aa games im thinking about like, capcom is definitely going to keep coming out with aa games, it's a massively popular series and one of their flagships, and if they can keep making money on something they will. but im realizing lots of ways in which they could and probably will (and already have, in some spots) jump the shark if they keep dragging out the two aa timelines we have, and i thought of some future ace attorney game concepts that i would actually want to play, and would actually do a service to the existing world and characters (if done well of course). spirit of justice and dgs spoilers below!:
i can't claim this idea since ive seen a million fan variations on it, but returning to the heart of og ace attorney with a prequel game like mia fey ace attorney would be, maybe a little mid in the grand scheme of the series, but have a lot of potential for a fun game that actually probes deeper into a character as beloved as mia, as well as shows a more rounded and dynamic approach to phoenix's character without overusing him as a protag as ive seen people complain about before. i think it would probably end up disproportionately popular on here too given all the talk ive seen about wanting something like it.
i think another very, very likely concept would be a post-soj sequel focusing more heavily (or even entirely) on apollo and nahyuta's work in reconstructing the khura'inese legal system. most likely this would involve nahyuta staying as a prosecutor and helping apollo puzzle out cases as his opposition as aa prosecutors are prone to do, but i think it would honestly be more interesting if nahyuta was more like apollo's co counsel or even a secondary protagonist, and we got a brand new prosecutor. this would be probably the most exciting game for me personally, and id be very interested in seeing how rayfa's personality would change as she got older and her life got completely upended, and i personally love the divination seance mechanic and look forward to how they would use it in interesting new ways, having a game that takes place entirely in khura'in.
also not a concept i can claim to own, as ive seen a bunch of different ideas for it, but while im not super excited about more [prosecutor] investigations games because i feel like a lot of it will be jumping the shark, there have been some interesting concepts floating around. i really like this one (dd spoilers in the link) though its very very unlikely given that capcom likes its games to be able to stand alone with minimal knowledge of prior aa games, and i feel like dual destinies was so poorly received that they're trying to pretend it didn't exist and move past it. that's what i would do. but my favorite idea that i genuinely, deeply want is a barok van zieks investigation game taking place post-dgs2. it would be a fun way to expand the dgs universe a little more, and show us more of barok's sweeter side after things were resolved for him. i feel like his story isn't quite over yet, and i would quite honestly kill and/or die for a game that focuses on him. @van-zieksy has a good post outlining a bvz investigations game here!
along the lines of extending the dgs storyline, a trequel to the dgs series may be unlikely with how much they packaged it as a duology, but still possible, and something that could be done pretty well or very badly. personally, i think it would be fun to have a dgs game that takes place almost entirely in japan, in which some or all of our english friends wind up there. it was briefly hinted in the dgs2 epilogue that sholmes and iris might be making a trip to japan very soon, and on top of it being fun to see the englishmen being the out of place foreigners for once (especially barok) this would make a good leaping off point to focus partially or even entirely on susato's budding law career, in how she (and ryunosuke) tackle not only uprooting the unfair judicial system in japan, but slowly incrementally making misogynistic policies fade out as susato proves herself as a (very unconvincingly crossdressing) female attorney.
finally, i believe ive seen a fangame(?) concept for it, but a more visual novel-y approach to a dgs prequel would be so fucking cool, and if that is indeed a fangame development i saw, i am beyond stoked to get my hands on it tbh. i don't have the link anymore, but if anyone knows what im talking about, please hit me up with it!
#i never know how to end long posts like this#ace attorney#phoenix wright ace attorney#ace attorney meta#the great ace attorney#dai gyakuten saiban
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did someone ask me to overanalyze this five year old comment? no? anywaysâ
â2007: Iâ references Apollo making his debut with a somewhat delicate objection theme compared to PW, with less underlying rhythm compared to his later themes. Represents the initial naĂŻvetĂ© of Polly in believing he could forge his own narrative, only to be used as a tool for Kristophâs and Phoenixâs own goals.
â2013: AMâ references Pollyâs âadolescentâ phase, where he begins to seriously question his identity as a lawyer. This theme is a mix between the subdued DS style and blatant orchestra style of SoJ, which may represent Kristoph and Phoenix respectively. While early game Apollo is very much the lawyer we met in AA4, Clayâs death and Athenaâs arrest forces a conflict between the blind faith of his new mentor Phoenix and the evidence-based approach Kristoph taught him. You could say he was conflicted with Dual Destinies. DD is about Apollo asking himself, âwho am I?â
â2016: FINEâ references Apollo coming into his own as a lawyer, a identity admittedly influenced by but separate from Phoenix and Kristoph. As mentioned, the orchestra style is shared with Phoenix but what distinguishes the two (as with Athenaâs theme) is the obvious use of electric guitars. This difference is mirrored in the plot, with the civil trial highlighting the difference in hotheadedness between these two. In fact, 6-5 as a whole sees Apollo actually taking center stage and directing his own story for once. Keep in mind, he defeats Phoenix in the civil trial, a far cry from basically being PWâs puppet in AA4. While Apollo goes through more ~trauma~ and ~grief~, the epilogue cutscene of 6-5 ends on an optimistic note, Apollo poised to revolutionize the Khuraâinese legal system with his foster family by his side and finally getting to confidently choose his own path. Apollo Justice is doing FINE!!
#five minutes into typing this reply i realized i was writing aa meta again oops#i am not much of a music person so some of this might be a lil off heh#anyways i have a lot of thoughts on apollo justice#letâs just pretend the aggressive retconning was intentional#long post#ace attorney#aa meta#apollo justice#phoenix wright#aa5 spoilers#aa6 spoilers
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Maya Fey: Ace Attorney Megalist!
The Maya Fey Defense Attorney Au is a series of fanfictions where I write Maya and Ema replacing the roles of Phoenix and Apollo respectively. Itâs partially canon compliant? Though both Maya and Franziska are aged up, just to make things easier for myself. Iâll be changing things about the cases as I see fit. Also Iâm only doing up until AJ, since I havenât seen DD and SOJ yet.
Iâll be editing this post as time goes on, linking cases when theyâre finished and stuff. All spin offs and oneshots will be posted here, too!
I hope you enjoy reading it, I sure enjoyed writing it!
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Maya Fey: Ace Attorney
Maya Fey, rookie defense attorney and sister of legendary defense attorney Mia Fey, is newly hired into her sister's law firm. In her first trial she defends Mia's friend Larry Butz, winning and jump starting her career at the age of 20. However, a tragedy befalls her sister, and Maya comes to inherit the Fey & Co. Law Offices with a new assistant. Maya goes through the trials and tribulations of her career, making sure to keep those she loves close to her.
Cases:
Case 1: Beginnings of a Turnabout (Finished) Case 2: Turnabout Camaraderie (Finished) Case 3: Turnabout Warriors of Tokyo (Finished) Case 4: Turnabout Auf Wiedersehen (Finished) Case 5: Rise for Justice (WIP)
Maya Fey: Justice for All
[COMING SOON]
Maya Fey: Trials and Tribulations
[COMING SOON]
Ema Skye: Ace Attorney
[COMING SOON]
SPINOFFS
Yours Truly, Franziska von Karma
After the divorce of Franziskaâs mother and father, sheâs sent off to live with her mother. While there, she makes a new friend and gets to closer to those she loves. Her life starts to look up for the better, and sheâs happy with all she loves around her. However, that all changes one stormy night. Now Franziska has to navigate through life under the sole care of Manfred von Karma. Follow through Franziskaâs life, from her first meeting Maya Fey to meeting her again years later.
Bliss in Munich
Miles Edgeworth, prosecutor in Munich, a workaholic who is committed to the search for justice, yearns to meet his old childhood friend Phoenix Wright again.
Phoenix Wright, artist and assistant in the Fey & Co. Law Offices, exploring the world to broaden his horizons, longs for the same.
And when they reunite, they spend a blissful week together in Munich, falling in love with each other all over again.
Turnabout Farms
[COMING SOON]
Trucy Fey: Star Substiture
[COMING SOON]
ONESHOTS
Angel, Don't Fly So Close to Me
Maya Fey was an angel, one that flew close to Franziska, a beacon of hope that lit up her way. There to guide her, to stay with her until the end of time. Franziska didnât understand it. She didnât want to let Maya down, didnât want to see her hurt in any way whatsoever. But it was inevitable, Franziska hurting Maya. She wasnât perfect, sheâll never be perfect. And yet, Maya stayed, flying close by her sideâŠonly to eventually be pulled down by Franziska. Franziska wished that it didnât have to be this way, for Maya to love her when someone else could love her better. And yet, it was. Maya never left her, even when Franziska would inevitably hurt her. Angel, why do you fly so close to me?
Yours and Only Yours
When a witness flirts with Maya, she notices that Franziska gets jealous. Even with a reassurance from her, she knows itâll take much more than words for her doubts to be go away. And so, Maya gets her girlfriend a gift.
Rest, My Sunshine
Franziska von Karma, top prosecutor in Los Angeles, is worried and stressed, and has been studying to become the next Chief Prosecutor for 28 hours straight. Maya Fey, local defense attorney, is worried about her, and finds a creative way to finally get her to sleep.
Summer Will Turn into Fall
With the arrival of fall, and her girlfriend Franziska von Karma on a trip to Poland, Maya Fey finds that she misses her. Trucy Fey, worried about her mother, shows Franziska just how much Maya misses her.
Moments Missing You
Many times throughout Franziska's life, she had missed Maya. No matter where she was, when it was, or how she was feeling, every second that she wasn't with Maya Fey, she found that she missed her. And yetâŠone moment with her was enough to make Franziska happy. Or, 5 times Franziska missed Maya, and 1 of the many times she got to see her again.
Salted Caramel Comfort
Miles did not get children. Children were just one of the things that he didnât understand, dear lord did he not understand them. It wasnât that he hated children, far from it. Children were justâŠenigmas to him, something that he never could quite wrap his head around. And of course, he has to help babysit Trucy while Maya is away on a trip with Franziska. Though Miles realizes, as he comforts Trucy about her fears, that he isnât as bad with kids as he thought he was.
Reunion of the Nerds
Apollo, Ema, and Clay, resident nerds of Los Angeles, were best friends, practically inseparable. That was, until Apollo moved away. Now, after years of being away from them, Apollo reunites with them and rekindles their friendship. And what better way than with a nerd sleepover?
The Most Intimate Snack of Them All!
Phoenix, Trucy, and Pearl all accidentally eat a gift basket from Franziska meant for her girlfriend Maya. Ema comes up with a plan to get away with it. Maya finds out in the end, though.
#ace attorney#ace attorney fanfiction#defense attorney maya#defense attorney ema#defense attorney maya fey#defense attorney maya fey au#role reversal au#ace attorney au#FranMaya#au#franziska x maya#maya x franziska#defense attorney ema skye
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I'm not the original anonymous but I would extremely want to see that essay about Apollo's trust issues.
Also since I just finished Spirit of Justice, do you think Lamiroir ever told Trucy/Apollo about her and if so what would be their reactions?
Letâs see if I can write this up without crying again like I did on twitter.
So a while ago a friend of mine asked me why I liked Apollo, and I really couldnât put my finger on it. I knew he was my favorite, but unlike Simon Blackquill, I hadnât done that deep dive into figuring out why. Iâd always just sort of loved him, and was never able to pinpoint the part that made me care about him so much. It drove me crazy, too, I love rambling about characters that I love, and I love writing from Apolloâs perspective more than anything. So why did I love him? Why did I care about him?
Well. I figured it out. I figured out my answer.
I think there are two things that characterize Apollo more than anything. One: He has trust issues. He genuinely believes that the people around him donât give a shit about him. Especially after being betrayed multiple times in that first trial, he truly and deeply believes that the people around him are only trying to hurt him and is too scared to really believe that they care about him.
And two: He cares so much about the people around him that he constantly helps them anyway.
So like. And I wonât tag her because I donât think sheâd appreciate it, but I was watching the laquilasse AA4 stream last night, and the entire opening of Turnabout Corner is so striking to me, especially right after the end of Turnabout Trump. At the end of Turnabout Trump, Apolloâs trust and belief in Phoenix is finally and thoroughly shattered, and Apollo lashes out, punching Phoenix in the face. And for good reason! That was a huge breach of trust! Apollo literally did the exact thing that got Phoenix disbarred, namely present evidence that wasnât real. Sure, they never exactly claimed it was the real deal, but Apollo didnât even know it was faked, he just trusted Phoenix and this new piece of evidence and it almost fucked him over. It did sort of fuck him over, he did lose his job and his Mentor.
And then, Phoenix calls him and says that theyâre in trouble, and Apollo doesnât even question it, of course he shows up to help.
Like. You can feel how much he mistrusts Trucy on their first meeting, in everything he does and says. Especially when Trucy and Phoenix are in the same room, heâs actively thinking about how he doesnât âbuy their actâ when Phoenix is calling Trucy daughter-ly nicknames. And then, in a way, heâs kind of right? They guilt him into essentially being their errand boy, and I feel like theyâre constantly and loudly using him throughout so much of the game.
And Apollo was there anyway. Apollo doesnât even trust them and heâs still there the first instant Phoenix says he needs his help.
Like you can loudly do and say whatever you want and crush his dreams and betray his trust, and despite everything, thereâs always that part of Apollo that desperately needs to help anyone who asks him. He canât even bring himself to trust them, and heâs still crawling back the moment someone needs him, ready to let them disappoint him over again.
Like this struck me about Apollo from the moment I played AA4, but heâs so lonely? And desperate for connection? He cares so much about a world that has always and consistently never cared about him, and he just keeps caring and keeps caring even as that starry-eyed naivete is ripped away. And I feel like he just wants someone to care about him back, but never really able to believe that they do, because they never really seem to, because every time he allows himself to trust itâs just thrown back in his face so horribly.
Hereâs an interesting thing I noticed: in Turnabout Trump, thereâs a really interesting line. Phoenix has accused Kristoph of being the murderer, the extra person in the room. Kristoph takes the stand and claims to have witnessed the moment Phoenix committed the murder. And this exchange happens:
Apollo: There must have been someone else there at the moment of the crime!
Kristoph: Justice... I just said I saw no one. Not a soul.
Apollo: B-But, that goes against what Mr. Wright said!
Kristoph: Ah yes, this mysterious "fourth person"... ...who would conveniently be the "real killer", I suppose.
And this is well past the point where Phoenix has accused Kristoph of being that person. Thereâs no possibility at this point that theyâre both innocent, itâs either one or the other. And Apollo is still so desperately trying to find a way for them both to be innocent, basically saying, âJust give me a fourth person and Iâll believe you.â And then Kristoph turned out to be a monster, and then Phoenix turned out to have betrayed Apollo from the start, and as far as Apollo is ever aware, none of the care from either of these men was ever real. He trusted, and he suffered the consequences.
But again. Heâs still there. Someone pointed out a while ago, but Apollo stays. Apollo shows up to the Wright Talent Agency under false pretenses, and he complains and hems and haws, and he still stays. Why?
Phoenix and Trucy loudly manipulate him into working their case. Theyâre perfectly happy to flaunt that theyâre basically tricking him. And he stays. Why?
Because Apollo canât trust them, but he wants to so fucking bad. He doesnât even seem to like Phoenix that much, but he wants that connection so fucking bad. He cares about them so much and he doesnât believe for a second that they extend that feeling back at him, and heâs compelled to stay anyway.
He knows Trucy is practically using him, and heâs a sobbing mess when he thinks she was kidnapped for a few minutes. Heâs cynical and mean and itâs all just to cover up the fact that he loves all these people around him with all his heart and they never once pay it back. And he comes back anyway. Heâs like a fucking loyal dog that is never given enough affection and so heâs constantly trying harder and harder to earn that love while never believing heâll ever really get it.
(Shit nope crying again)
Itâs just so sad. And this is all without adding anything from the 3D games. The 3D games do build on this theme in one way or another, but from the get go, this is who Apollo is. A caring young man who is constantly punished for caring and yet canât stop caring anyway.
We see it again in the 3D games. And I think part of why I donât enjoy DD as much as SoJ is that DD doesnât capture this mistrust the same way. Itâs so surface level, that sense of betrayal and mistrust and anger he gets consumed by in that final case. And the worst part is it doesnât have to be! Thereâs already that foundation! Apollo has been hurt already a million times. The only person heâs ever been able to trust, the only lifeline thatâs kept him above water since he was a child, was Clay Terran, and now that was taken from him because he DARED to trust someone new. Thatâs so fucking compelling! But we never get that! We never get to see how Apollo is feeling. We get that heâs convinced Athena did the murder, but never really get into the Why, into the What This Means for Apollo.
Itâs a bit better in SoJ. We see how far heâs come in terms of trusting people when he trusts in Trucy wholly and immediately in case two. And then, conversely, we see his mistrust and hurt when they introduce Dhurke into the mix. Apollo refuses point blank to believe that Dhurke had come to visit him, that Dhurke cared about him. Apollo demands to know why Dhurke was there, what Dhurke wanted, how Dhurke was going to use him. Heâs been able to slowly start building that trust with people like Trucy, but he still cannot let himself trust again when Dhurke had already betrayed that trust.
I said it before, but as much as I hate the slapdash ways in which Capcom keeps throwing backstory at this boy, I love what the backstories are, because they build on this angry, cynical, lonely young man I care about so much. Heâs been hurt and abandoned and used and betrayed since he was young, and being good never truly paid off for so long, but he kept doing it, he kept being good, he kept caring about people because he couldnât help it, and kept hoping that maybe they could care back. And eventually I think it does start paying off for him. People do start caring about him. And I feel like it takes until around SoJ for him to start really believing that the people around him might care about him too.
Also congrats on finishing SoJ! Since thereâs a very good chance that they might be announcing AA7 soon, I...hope? fear? expect? that theyâll touch on this then. However, I also worry that theyâre going to botch it up so hard.
I know what I want to happen. I want Trucy to be angry. I want her to be angry at Lamiroir and Phoenix. She is constantly putting on a mask to try to make the people she loves happy, and I feel like this is a reasonable breaking point. After all, this is kind of the one thing that Phoenix hasnât been honest with her about. She had a brother right there, and knew the whole time?! She had a mother there the whole time?! And no one bothered to tell her?! I think sheâd be heartbroken, and I think she deserves to be angry. Sheâs been through so much, and they never give her time to really grieve or be upset.
I think Apollo would be ecstatic and angry at the same time. All heâs ever wanted was family, and now he does! He already loved Trucy, and thought Lamiroir was amazing, so I think he would be so happy to have that family back in his life. On the flip side, I do think heâd be angry at Phoenix, particularly for keeping it to himself before Lamiroir came into the picture, but I think if they talked it out, Apollo would come around to it and be able to forgive Phoenix.
#ace attorney#apollo justice#it's time to cry about apollo again god help me#spoilers#ace attorney spoilers#aa4-6spoilers#i love this boy so much I don't know if this does it justice#meta
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Additional, what's your thoughts on AA6, then?
Oooh okay I know that AA6 is generally better received than AA5, but I didnât really like that game much either, for somewhat similar reasons why I didnât like AA5?
Like not only did it abandon most of the plot threads of AA5 -- which they have even less of an excuse for, since this game came out three years after DD and on the same console -- but it had a similar problem that DD had involving pushing back major characters. Namely, Athena, who was kind of hyped up in DD as someone who was going to ârevolutionizeâ the courtroom, but then barely had a major role in SOJ aside from the fourth case (which only had the one trial day and no investigation time, and was completely disconnected with the plot.) And yeah juggling three protagonists at the same time is a bad move, but if you had to pick a protagonist to give a smaller role... I would not pick Athena.
I guess the thing about Spirit of Justice is that itâs an Apollo game which tries to be a Phoenix game. I canât really see any reason for Phoenix to go to Khuraâin and stay there. Sure, he wants to hang out with Maya, who he hasnât seen in a few years -- but she was supposed to come back in a couple of weeks. Also, and this is one of my bigger issues, one of the biggest shows his daughter was ever going to perform would be in the time he was gone, but he didnât seem to particularly care about missing it. And, and, and! He didnât even get to SEE Maya for two weeks after he arrived! So why go that early?
I know the semi-canon prologue kiiind of touched on that with Phoenix thinking Maya was in danger, and I can definitely see him rushing over there if he thought sheâd been hurt and/or accused of murder somehow. But... the prologue isnât really CANON canon, itâs not ever stated explicitly or shown in the game. Instead the game just has him say he was worried about Maya for no particular reason, so he... abandoned his daughter just before her big show... and then didnât even go back after she was accused of murder? I know that he couldnât have made it back in time for the trial, but he didnât even go back to comfort her? For two weeks? Where he was in Khuraâin and couldnât even see Maya?Â
It just strikes me as a âwe need Phoenix to be in Khuraâin for Plot Reasons and not because itâs something his character would ever actually doâ kind of thing. And, you know, there is that one interview where they say that Phoenix had to be in Khuraâin because they needed to âchallengeâ him more, but this isnât really much of a challenge. âHe needs to win otherwise heâll dieâ??? Big deal, we all already KNOW Phoenix would die to defend his friends! Weâve played Bridge to the Turnabout and seen him run across the burning bridge because he thought Maya was trapped with a murderer. Like, the stakes arenât that much higher. Phoenix wouldnât let something silly like death get in the way of doing what was right. That one concept about an âunderground courtâ where Phoenix couldnât trust his clients was a MUCH more interesting concept because it actually challenges one of Phoenixâs core beliefs. Instead, I canât say that Phoenix has grown or changed at ALL before and after Khuraâin.
And aside from Maya Being There and a general intolerance for injustice, Phoenix has no personal stakes in the general conflict of Khuraâin. You know who apparently does? Apollo. But his connection to Khuraâin isnât even really explored until the last case, where they shove all of the Dhurke and Nahyuta development in at once. Of course, his beloved childhood friend he was so distraught over in the last game isnât ever really mentioned, nor does his loss seem to have any long-term effect on Apollo beyond DD.
And speaking of Dhurke and Nahyuta... another issue I had with Turnabout Revolution is that it was trying to do SO MUCH that it didnât give much focus. Also the severe delaying of Nahyutaâs character arc: heâs pretty much in Second-Case Prosecutor Mode until the very last case, where we only see him for the last part of it. It makes his development feel a little rushed, I think -- itâs been a while since I played SOJ though, so take that with a grain of salt.
Also I want to say that I really love Maya and Iâm glad to see that sheâs okay, but it doesnât feel like she had a huge role in SOJ despite the game pretty much existing to bring her back in a big way. She comes back, and sheâs still not the Master, inexplicably, despite it having been nine years since T&T. The game says it was because she could only channel spirits 30% of the time or something before, but... that never really came up past Turnabout Goodbyes? After that sheâd pretty much always been able to channel whoever, whenever she needed to (including channeling Dahlia for several days) so I donât really buy that excuse. My fear is they didnât want to risk changing Maya Too Much so they just kind of tried to keep her as close to original Maya as possible. Plus, she only shows up for two of the five cases, in which she spends almost all of her time accused of murder, kidnapped, or channeling someone. And all of her important interactions are with Phoenix, or sometimes Rayfa, and like maybe an offhand comment to Apollo? But she doesnât ever bond with Apollo or Athena or even Trucy -- she and Trucy never even ACKNOWLEDGE each other, which is SO weird, because this is her best friendâs daughter, why is she acting like she doesnât even know her?Â
Thereâs more with Trucy -- the game tries to claim Trucy has a bigger role because sheâs accused of murder, but the entirety of that case irritates me for how it completely disregards previously-established Gramarye lore to add in This Random Dude (who does have an awesome theme song, but still), and then perfectly sets up the opportunity for a sibling reveal only to completely ignore it. (Youâve got a guy who knew Thalassa and should have known about her perceiving power + bracelet, and has a huge complex about being defeated by a Gramarye, coming face-to-face with Apollo with his perceiving power and bracelet and... nothing! Not even acknowledging it!)
oh and the civil trial. the civil. freaking. trial. is SUCH a cool concept that they ABSOLUTELY fail to make work. Because instead of it being about Phoenixâs ideals failing him, or him believing in his client until the very end but his client just turned out to be a terrible person, it was yet another Farewell, My Turnabout but worse, with Phoenix only defending this guy because Mayaâs kidnapped again... and he learned absolutely nothing from last time, where the only reason he got through the trial safely was by trusting Miles and teaming up with the other side to delay the trial for a rescue, instead he just decides Iâm Not Telling Apollo Anything and struggles like he did in the second game. Plus it takes any victory of Apollo triumphing over Phoenix away, because Phoenix wasnât actually trying his best. It had the opportunity to be an exploration of âwhat would Phoenix do if his trust in people actually went wrongâ, but they abandoned it because Phoenix Wright Is Never Wrong. Instead it was just so weak!
Wow this is ALL OVER THE PLACE Iâm sorry about that anon. ending with a bit of positivity, I really like that Final Big Twist at the end of the game, I think that was a super cool use of spirit channeling! And getting a little more spirit channeling lore was nice (though I would have liked to see more about the structure of Kurain Village -- you expect me to believe this random dude has a major role as the mayor of what has always been described as a matriarchal village?) I guess my main issue is... a lot of potential for cool things (in the civil trial, in Maya getting to know and bonding with the New Generation, sibling reveals and spirit channeling lore) and it doesnât really deliver on most of it.
#soj spoilers#spirit of justice spoilers#aa6 spoilers#I'm completely exhausted right now but I hope this is slightly legible#long post#asks
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Whereâs Ace Attorney 7?
A few days ago it was the third anniversary of the most recent Ace Attorney game, Dai Gyakuten Saiban 2- which means weâre going through a 36-month hiatus; longer than any weâve had before, excluding the gap between Trials & Tribulations and Apollo Justice.
So what gives? Why havenât we seen AA7 yet? Will we ever see it in the future, or is the franchise dead?Â
Well, I have a few theories for the first question, and some evidence concerning the second. This will probably get long, so Iâll put it under a cut.
Why is this hiatus so long?
Theory #1: Difficulties in porting the franchise to Switch
Ace Attorney has been on handhelds for its whole lifespan, so the sudden change to consoles may be slightly problematic in terms of gameplay- forensic evidence mechanics, the loss of a touchscreen, etc. The problem with this theory is that by all (w)rights, it should already be resolved; a port of the Trilogy already came to consoles last year, fingerprinting and all, and it worked just fine. Itâs possible that creating a new AA game from scratch is difficult in its own way, and/or producing games for multiple platforms takes longer, but it doesnât account for such a long delay.
Then again, Switch games might just take longer to make. Iâd rather have a well-crafted AA game every three years than a rushed/poorly-made one every year.
 Theory #2: Difficulties in finding a new director for the franchise
As most people know, Yamazaki, the director for the AAI duology, AA5, and AA6, left Capcom about a month ago. However, he said all the way back when SoJ was released that he only really stayed as AAâs director because of the fans, and also had Fuse, the gamesâ artist, step up as co-director for SoJ.
Takumi, the original trilogy/Apollo Justice/DGS writer and director, should theoretically have been available since 2018, but he has stated that heâs done with Phoenixâs story, and given that his last games havenât sold very well (more because of marketing and bad timing than any flaws in the games, but I digress) itâs not guaranteed that he will return for AA7. Maybe if he does, weâll get some answers to the many loose ends and questions left by AA4, but given that Apolloâs relocated to Khuraâin as of the end of AA6, thatâs not guaranteed either.
This leaves the only other candidate, co-director of SoJ Takuro Fuse. Personally I think his involvement as a full-on director in the future is quite likely, for reasons Iâll explain later.
 Theory #3: We were supposed to get a game in 2019
This is just a pet theory of mine, but hear me out.
Dai Gyakuten Saiban was originally supposed to be a trilogy of games, until the Switch absolutely flattened the 3DS as the definitive Nintendo handheld, and Takumi decided to compress the remaining two games into just DGS2. This is why the third-case culprit and twists in DGS2 feel so sudden; the culprit was supposed to appear all throughout DGS2, and be arrested at the end, with DGS2-3âs big twist as a finale cliffhanger. DGS3 would have then completed the story.
My point is that DGS3 was likely slated for a 2019 release, given the release pattern of DGS (2015) and DGS2 (2017). That would have lessened the current three-year hiatus to just a two-year one, more standard for the AA franchise.
 Theory #4: The franchise is dead, there are no plans for more games.
I find this difficult to believe given that Capcom is still creating content, running café promotions, releasing ports, and has stated plans for more AA games in the past, but I have to acknowledge the possibility.
Is Ace Attorney 7 coming soon?
After the 2018 Kotaku UK rumour (suggesting that ports of all six games and a new game were going to be released on the Switch by the end of 2018âs fiscal year) was disproven, I almost lost hope for any future AA games- but this year, thereâs been a lot to suggest somethingâs coming soon.
1.      The July 2020 Café
This one pretty much explains itself. If Capcom has decided to put money towards a cafĂ© feature that promotes both the Trilogy and Apollo Justice- with Klavier and Apollo both featuring prominently on the cafĂ©âs menu and in its merchandise- it stands to reason that theyâre doing something with it. You donât promote a franchise if thereâs nothing to promote, after all.
2.      The Café Art
So, remember two months ago when Ace Attorney dropped this new official art of Phoenix, Edgeworth, Maya, Apollo and Klavier, and the fandom lost their shit to the point of Ace Attorney trending on tumblr for about half an hour? Well, what I personally found most interesting was the style of the piece- because it was new. A quick scroll through Capcom CafĂ©âs twitter proved that as far as I can tell, when non-chibi art is called for, the official artists of the brand in question are the ones to draw the art. So who drew this one?! I could rule out Iwamoto, Fuse, Suekane and Nuri by their styles (Apollo especially looks quite unfamiliar)- so unless thereâs someone Iâve forgotten, it seems like thereâs a new Ace Attorney official artist.
And, well⊠they donât hire new artists for fun. This artist, whoever they are, probably werenât hired for a one-time cafĂ© promotion either; as far as I know, most of the old AA artists are still working at Capcom. Theyâre probably doing something for the franchise.
Remember when I said Fuse, AA5/6âs art director, was a candidate for full time director? My personal theory is that heâs become the main director, and this new artist has taken his role as art director. Itâs all speculation, of course, but it stands up to scrutiny.
3.      Capcom X B-Side Label Maya Acrylic
Capcom have also had a recent merch collab with B-Side Label, and a certain merch image of Maya stood out to me⊠because itâs an entirely new design.
I could understand if it was only a discrepancy in the fact that she has four necklace beads while appearing to be an adult, or that she has arm guards but lacks an under-robe; theyâre minor details. But to leave out her topknot, one of the most distinctive parts of her design?! Either the artist made a major mistake and no one called them up on it, or it was intentional- that this is a design meant to be an older and wiser Maya, who weâll see in an upcoming game. I wouldnât be surprised.
4.      The 20th Anniversary
This is more of a meta point than anything else, but itâll soon be 2021, the twentieth anniversary of Ace Attorney. AA is usually very good with anniversaries; in 2011 (10th anniversary) we got Investigations 2, and in 2016 (15th anniversary) we got both SoJ and an AA anime. I think if theyâre ever going to release AA7, theyâll do it next year: at the very least, weâll have another orchestra and more official art. And with TGS 2020 hosted online and fast approaching, Iâm hoping for news very soon!
Either way, the future of Ace Attorney isnât as dark as it seems! Keep your hopes up!
#ace attorney#aa7#speculation#phoenix wright#soph's meta#this will either age like wine or milk#mine
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iâve big issues w soj - while i was excited abt it bc we mostly hear ppl talking abt how itâs another apollo focused game (and that is true in some ways) itâs actually worse to him than aa5 was.
now, in aa5, apollo was mostly forgotten abt through big part of the game - he shows up briefly in the first epi, he has his case and then fucks off for âmysterious reasonsâ that donât make sense with the âshounenâ speech he does when taking a leave from the agency & then only really makes a comeback in the second part of the last case. in his one case he was, well, fine i suppose and in other times he didnât have the biggest personality and they clearly âdefangedâ him - made him nicer & more ~sociable i would say (which i can even let go considering he was now a senior to athena and would want to help her&give a good impression) but! in his most remarkable scene ie the one where he accuses athena of murder and makes phoenix prove him otherwise he is...... good?him being as reckless/ruthless/impulsive + leaning on kristophâs teaching was really nice to see after what happened in aa4 and him clearly being conflicted w himself through all that it was. nice. and rewarding in some ways.
which brings me to aa6, did they have anything rewarding re: apollo in that game? 6-2 does NOT count. did they? and i say: no. lol. once again his character And characterization is made up by the plot - not moved by the plot but Clearly made for/by for it. that is: he is allowed to show some abandonment issues & pettines (and itâs interesting how these ARE things that he would be feeling towards aa4 phoenix but they move it towards a ~foreign brown new charac bc phoenix can do no wrong) but only in specific times and its biggest one was mostly during investigation day1 and that was pretty much it. after that and the shitshow that was trial day1 (&their push to apolloâs idolizing phoenix still+phoenix acting like he cares abt apollo when it nvr comes off as truly genuine) apolloâs issues/traumas are pushed to the side so we can focus on the mystery&case. 6-5 is supposedly about his backstory and itâs supposed to make us know more abt him but do we? we do not know those characters in khurain, we do not know his relationship with nahyuta (there was potential after 6-2 for a builtup but then they never revisit it and once again it shows yamazakiâs failure in writing multiple povs), his biological fatherâs last memories are just ok (apollo barely reacts to it) and that shitshow of story makes no sense if seen alongside aa4 (how did he EVEN end up w thalassaâs bracelet?) &they did do dhurke better than clay (which isnât hard btw) but we donât know why he left apollo and he just ends up looking like asshole bc it looks like he dropped his adopted kid in usa at 13 years old bc what? he found his wife&couldâve his biological family tgt again AND a new daughter so bye apollo? by the last trial, and maybe even last investigation day, apollo has lost most of his personality and everything has lost its emotional touch (which they had almost got in the beginning of that case).
so no, we do not end up knowing more about apollo because it feels like a complete different character - khurain and this apollo connected to it feel SO detached from aa and thatâs why aa6 feels worse to his character. from the amount of things that that last case TRIES to tell you abt apollo it destroys everything we have known. before it he was known as an orphan, that probably went through foster families/homes but now, suddenly, he has a âhiddenâ family in a foreign country? and oh they are rebels AND, actually, part of the royal family? itâs ridiculous and it would mean part of his personality CHANGING to fit all that and that is why, for me, at the end of the case i did not care about that apollo anymore even though he is my absolute favorite in ace attorney because he feels like a new character.Â
#ace attorney#apollo justice#aa#*#and i did not even go in in my issues between his rs w phoenix oh boy
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itâs been a while since i posted about aa but i just finished soj in its entirety tonight. hereâs my new list so far
i still have to give thoughts on cases 4 5 and dlc so thatâll be under a cut. spoilers!
6-4: this was such a filler case, almost shamefully so. i donât know why they thought they could manage to do this in the 4th case when every game with 5 cases has been pretty consistent about making the 4th case plot relevant, sometimes literally just a preamble to case 5. so yeah i think this one was kinda ass
the two things it had going for it: one, athena. in 6-2 i actually got confused about why i ever liked her, because in that case she felt like she was just acting the part of the Peppy Teen Girl With a Rowdy Streak that makes up almost every assistant character. But then as SOON as she started bantering with Simon in 6-4 i was like âoh, THATâS why i liked her!â was nice to take control of her again.
two, uendo toneido. while i donât think you can say the DID was portrayed with quite the necessary respect or kindness, it was handled better than iâve seen other media handle it-- at least itâs not completely demonized. other people have written more on that in better detail so iâm not really the judge, but the basic point is that this witness was mad fun to read, and even the dumb jokes like the changing number of floor cushions were entertaining. thus why this case is in the âhard carried by one side characterâ tier.
especially since there was like nothing else going on. no connection to the main plot, only two other characters besides uendo, and for some reason the clown tits girl was here instead of the magic show case (and to be honest, she wasnât enjoyable for me even BEFORE she did the standard aa female villain thing and changed her speech pattern as soon as she fell under suspicion). just a weird, nothing case stuck right around the point aa games usually enter endgame. And especially weird because...
6-5 part 1: inexplicably there are two separate cases in the final chapter and each gets one day of investigation and trial. such a weird setup, and it really shouldnât work... but i think it kinda barely does. barely. it would still have been better to split it into case 4 and case 5 though.
i have a hard time articulating much on the first case bc it sort of blends together for me. the main thing is that the concept of it being a civil case where apollo and phoenix face off is really good. it was a good change of pace, even though you knew it was gonna be a murder somehow anyway. sarge was reasonably nice, i guess, paul atishon had some good animations and quirks (my favorite being when he tries to just walk away from the stand to avoid answering a question), and the logic of the actual murder was good enough.
but i especially got those strong âoh this is a FINAL case!â vibes during the segment in the cave, and that added so much to it even if not much of it was relevant in the first half of the case. the adventure feel reminded me of some of the (out of context bc i still havent played it) scenes i know from 3-5, which is a good association to invoke imo. and it did a lot to give apollo and dhurke time to bond.
speaking of which, dhurke, holy shit. what a KING. i donât think iâve ever liked a dad character in ace attorney this much. heâs so genuine and like down to earth that itâs impossible not to start liking him and believe how much he cares for his sons. the bit where he rescued apollo from the cave flood... i felt it in my heart
6-5 part 2: let me just get this out of the way: gaâran sucks. her design after she goes full evil is so bad, sheâs so malicious that itâs immediately obvious sheâs going to be the culprit, her breakdown is ridiculous and just embarrassing to watch, and inga had already established way more charisma as a villain when he did the âthose were orders of execution actuallyâ bit in 6-3. with that said,
i actually liked it for the most part. the spirit channeling stuff was excellent imo-- they probably use it to similar or greater effect in 3-5 but as someone who again has not played that, i was surprised and almost impressed by how well it was applied. maya was relevant for something! it feels like itâs been ages!
rayfa was a little underutilized, i think-- her moment of determination where she stops letting gaâran have control over her was alright but it fell flat bc it didnât have any weight during the moment. i kept hoping she would like, wordlessly take of her shawl and do the little verbal preamble to the divination seance while gaâran kept yelling at her to stop, but no, the script canât be good like that, i guess. and since she didnât get to be the investigation assistant for long, none of her charm in that role carried through.
but DHURKE!! oh my god! in a game almost devoid of emotional impact, his involvement in this case really hit. the way they painstakingly animated his death, the scene where he makes a promise with maya, and then the weight of knowing in hindsight that everything he did in the first part of the case was after heâd already died and just wanted to see his son again before passing on for real....... it hurt. i felt something during that section. this case would also be hard carried by him if not for the fact that i really liked the murder bits.
amara was good too--liked how they made her suspiciously serene and accentuated it with the lightning strikes to make her look like a hidden murderer character about to reveal herself, only to walk it back and confirm she was being forced to act that way. i thought it worked. nahyuta was boring though, iâm sorry-- i get the motivation with having to be a bastard bc his sister and mom were basically held hostage, but the only time i found him compelling in that mess was the bit where he removed his one fingerless glove and revealed he still has the dragon tattoo. that was it. athena was also completely unused the whole case (not even a single mood matrix? really?) and trucy one again went without any role of importance.
the ending also... yknow, a friend said they had to end it this way bc they never figured out what they were going to do with apollo (since following up on what they started in aa4 clearly wasnât an option???) and just threw him on a bus to get rid of him. i agree with that-- he really feels thrown to the side, and with that i think trucyâs officially stranded with no hope of any character advancement. and the way they ended the game with phoenix and lamiroir deciding âyeah, maybe NOW we should finally tell those two theyâre relatedâ honestly felt insulting lol
but maybe the dlc case will let things go out on a high note...?!
6-6: it was okay.
it wouldâve worked pretty well as a filler case in an older aa-- honestly i think itâd be one of the better filler cases, certainly worth replacing the shitty ones like 2-3 or 3-3 or, hey, 6-4. but whether iâd say it was worth paying for... eh.
the time travel conceit was done well enough, i think. the way they tied it back to sorin and pierceâs backstories was nice, and the twist about having two receptions was good, although they needed to treat that as a real twist with much more gravity. when the truth comes out it just feels like âoh of course thatâs what happenedâ rather than a big surprise worthy of the Confessing the Truth theme. itâs sort of important because the case becomes a lot less interesting when you take out the time travel element.
far as characters are concerned, i think they needed more side characters to sell the whole thing-- another sprocket family member or another servant of the household. it felt a little limited-- sorin and pierce are pretty good witnesses and i like their quirks and their secrets, but the only alive woman (ellen) has very few traits and no connection to the deeper story of the case, so she falls really flat. the old aa characters didnât add much- maya and edgeworth were just there for fanservice, ema didnât get to do much other than acknowledge for the first time in years that sheâs a big edgeworth fan, and larry is annoying as hell like he always is.
and oh my god i actually forgot while i was writing that, how they put in athena and trucy but only used them for brief slapstick where trucy would try to set athena on fire and shit. again-- no mood matrix? couldnât even try once to fit those two characters into something?
i did like pierceâs transformation into his surgeon form though-- that was really cool. loved him doing surgery on a robot, taking xrays of the lawyers, and his breakdown was fantastic-- he would make a really good culprit if they didnât whiff the last bit of pathos at the end. i donât think he shouldâve been aiming for revenge on sorin; it would have hurt much more if he was still loyal to the guy and never intended for him to be in danger, but the final âwhyâd you do it?â talk in the trial just felt flat and one-note, much like the one in 6-4.
... so thatâs spirit of justice! not a super positive experience but iâm happy to say itâs done. as much as i want to go and replay dgs, i think when i do go back to ace attorney iâll be replaying the trilogy for the first time since high school
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Dear Anonymous,
The Mod: I learned to like Kristoph the more I wrote for him, but the entire disbarment of Phoenix is a sore spot for me. Itâs not the fact that it happened, itâs a good story beat with good character development (that was later ignored by DD and SoJ), and I love hobo/dad Phoenix as a character. I just donât like the way it was handled and Kristoph has always been a part of that.
Like I said in the article, Iâve warmed up to it some. If you bring Kristophâs obvious mental state and extreme paranoia into the picture, it works out. Iâm not going to say I like that Kristoph went from âIâm upsetty that Phoenix Wright stole my spaghettiâ to âEveryone must dieâ but it does make him an interesting and dangerous character.
I suppose there really are two steps to his killing spree. He started out with only wanting Zak Gramarye to take a fall for jilting him and, if Phoenix Wright got disbarred, he didnât care. Once he realized that Phoenix might have been wise to his game, he started phase two: eliminate those involved and keep an eye on his âfriendâ. Itâs an interesting dynamic that works like the best parts of Death Note. I wish we got to see those seven years happen.
Dear Anonymous,
Co-Mod: Nah, thatâs the one weâve been using for as long as I can remember. None of us are eligible for a real attorneyâs badge, and asking one of the lawyers here to give theirs up would be unthinkable.
The Mod: Itâs been that way since the blogâs incarnation. That probably means the Admin wasnât Mia as I presumed, but actually Furio Tigrette.
Dear rogertheegg,
The Mod: Iâve had the following theory since AJ and itâs only become more likely as the series progressed. Theyâve teased Lamiroir finally telling her children sheâs their mom twice now. AA7 is where she finally does it, Apollo doesnât take it well, she winds up dead, and Polly finally gets accused for murder. Athena defends him.
Co-Mod: Iâve never cooked up a scenario like that in my mind, so Iâll just go with the Modâs idea. Iâd hate to see Thalassa die as much as anyone, but if thatâs the price Capcom makes us pay to see more of Athena, then so be it. Yeah, Iâm actually that cynical.
Dear Anonymous,
The Mod: Phoenix banked on Apollo to be an integral part of his plan to bring Kristoph down and clear him name. If Polly didnât play ball, Phoenix might have very well wound up dead like all the other pieces in Kristophâs game. Either Phoenix or those close to him. Somehow I always imagined Kristoph being more sadistic and less straight forward with Phoenix considering he pretended to be his friend for seven years like a straight up sociopath.
Athena working for the Dark Side of the Lawâą would be a manipulator to the maximum degree. Letâs face it, her Mood Matrix isnât an exact science and really shouldnât be allowed in a court of law. Sheâd definitely fill in a few blanks and tamper with witness memory to ensure every testimony fit her vision.
Co-Mod: Not really a fan of alternate timelines where the good guys join the dark side, so Iâll leave this one alone. And no one draw a picture of that Athena, or Iâll never forgive you.
Dear Anonymous,
The Mod: Itâs super sad. He was a great voice actor and still young.
I havenât played TF2 in years and never got around to installing CSGO, so Iâm not really sure what all happened with the source code leak. I know it was really bad and allowed for malware distribution, but thatâs about it.
Co-Mod: Iâve played either of those games, believe it or not, but I might consider doing so just as a tribute to Rick May.
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Dear kuromajinevil,
The Mod: Who gave them life? They are the real monster.
Co-Mod: The only way I can respond to that is with a sprite.
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Dear Anonymous,
Co-Mod: Thanks for mentioning that. Itâs been some time since I played Dual Destinies, so I didnât quite put that together. Even still, I imagine Apollo would be quite bewildered (while also smiling to himself) after hearing something like that from Pearl.
Dear Anonymous,
Co-Mod: Thatâs just one way Iâm used to saying it, and how I imagine many of Ace Attorneyâs adults would say it. Itâs also been said that way at least once in the games (by Sister Bikini), so itâs just part of the charactersâ portrayal.
(Previous Letters -- Arachnophobia Warning)
Dear Anthony,
Co-Mod: Thanks for clarifying. I was wondering why I couldnât find a letter to Athena about Larry that matched the context of this letter.
Also, with all due respect, ix-nay on the uge-hay iders-spay. Youâre freakinâ us out with those, dude.
-The Mods
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Is Simon Blackquill your favorite character or just your favorite prosecutor?
Honestly, my tastes shift around all the time, and I really donât have issues with ANY of the main characters what-so-everâŠbut yes, I do have a weird obsession with Simon Blackquill.
Read more for my rant explanation.
Point 1: I love writing for him. Iâd say âasâ him, but I write scripts where the POV changes constantly. Iâd say that he and Rayfa are my favorites to write for. Heâs got a really specific gimmick - not the sword thing, that partâs easy, and not the British thing either, thatâs a bit trickier but not the part I like. His long sentences have rhythm. His short statements are as restrictive and to-the-point as they could possibly get. I love the way his words flow, and itâs so much fun to see him interact with others. For some reason, I take pride in my portrayal of Blackquill as itâs carefully curated to be in line with his SoJ interpretation and also more of an evolution of what he learned from both games. My writing colors my interests a lot, so my bias comes from having so much fun while doing his character.
Point 2: Heâs not afraid to do take a risk. Yes, heâs selfless, but thatâs not the part about him that I love the most. I like that he has the courage to do things I know I couldnât, and I envy that. It comes across as an attitude, but heâs actually not too much unlike Phoenix in that he has to go off on guesses and bluffs and whims in order to get people to see his points. He guesses less, yes, but he still does it. You just donât notice thatâs what heâs doing until you play through his cases again. Telling the court that the witness is literally possessed by a demon? Thatâs a risk, and he had to take it to make his point.
Point 3: He isnât afraid to change his mind, but his morals are clear. When you first face him, itâs really hard to understand what his motivations are, but once you get to the end of DD, itâs absolutely clear that everything before then, when it seemed like he was swapping sides constantly, was all in the name of truth. He upholds his own honor code, and because of his time in the prison system, he knows when a mistake can slip through the cracks, how a system can literally be corrupted from the inside-out, and that one should protect their allies at all costs. My absolute favorite thing about both Simon and Gavin is that they arenât out for a verdict, theyâre out to find out the truth - to do their damned jobs and do it well. For Simon, it isnât manipulating the judge into thinking heâs right, itâs trying to have others see the situation as he does. The evidence first makes it appear that the defendant did it. Itâs his job to have the court see into that line of thinking until the evidence no longer supports that theory.Â
I know his design is kind of weird, I know he has a bit of a bad attitude, I know so many people think heâs an edgy jerk who watches anime and wears a fedora and white knights all over the place⊠But, really, I think, following his story-line through from Dual Destinies, heâs got some great material in there.
âŠhowever, I do think they jumped the shark by sacrificing Apolloâs story for Simon and Athenaâs. Dual Destinies did some unfortunate things for the series, and itâs impossible to discuss Simon Blackquill without looking at the narrative follies of the game he comes from. I think there was a lot of unfounded redemption in Turnabout Storyteller (my favorite case that isnât from AAI2) in that he and Athena loosen up in order to work together on something in the moment. The writers never had to give us that case, they never had to let us see that side of him, where he helps the protege of his former master, but because they did, you get to see a lot more of his personality in that case than in most of DD, and thatâs probably, no, itâs DEFINITELY why I took to liking him.
Again, though! I do not have any characters I consider âawfulâ that are in the main cast. Some have bad morals, some have bad motivations, some have bad designs, and some have bad arcs. But I donât think any of them are bad characters. Simon is just the one that I understand the most. A lot off his flaws come from the things attributed to him, like the anime stuff, which I have no idea where that comes from, heâs more of a history nut than anything else. I think those attributions have to do with the culture Dual Destinies was released in. 2019 is a different beast; understanding how closely his morality ties to his interests is a lot less (excuse the pun) black and white than it probably seemed back then.
TL;DR: Simon sits in a slightly different category of character for me than anyone else. I love all the prosecutors, lawyers, spirit mediums and magicians, yes, but some of them I just cannot get in the head-space of. A lot of it has to do with how I write, because thatâs so tied to how I understand the characters of this series, but for Blackquill, itâs a little bit more than just that.
âŠ.also his hair looks sooooo fluffy. I wanna touch it.
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// The Rotten Royals - A look at how fucked up the âgoodâ Royal Family of Spirit of Justice really is.
So having finished SOJ and having had a little time to mull it over, I gotta say that I still find a lot of the antics of the supposed âgoodâ royal family pretty fucking fishy.Â
Weâve got an emotionally insensitive king-consort, a skeevy prince and a woefully useless queen, all of whom are fiercely protected by the writersâ mouthpieces in the game.
The title is a little misleading as only one of the people mentioned actually has any royal duties, but the point here is to point out how the writers accidentally made their supposed âcomplicated heroesâ into straight up assholes.Â
Each section will be prefaced by a name in case youâd rather just read one section rather than all of them (cause thereâs a lot to write)
So, as promised, hereâs my little analysis of the Royal Family of Spirit of Justice.
DHURKE
So letâs start off with Dhurke, shall we? Because Dhurke sucks.
Now Iâm going to be as fair as I can while still maintaining my grievances. As Iâve mentioned before, I can see where they were going with Dhurke. They wanted him to be the awesome rebel leader who laughs in the face of death and danger, and who roguishly rescues the poor endangered hostages. etc.
And I can accept him as that. I can accept him as a rebel leader. What I canât accept him as is a reliable, caring or competent father figure.
Since the points are numerous, Iâll put them in bullet form and then expound. Oh look! One bullet per shot in Dhurkeâs chest. Nice!
âąDhurke provided no emotional security for either of his sons, sometimes even the exact oppositeÂ
Early on, Apollo recounts a particular story that happened in his childhood; when he was small, he and his foster brother Nahyuta were playing by a river when the two of them fell in. Dhurke quickly rushed to their rescue and scooped them out of the water, insisting that any time they need him, they should call, and heâll come running (a little hard to pull off for a kid with a lung full of water, but i digress). However, he also proceeds to essentially tell his two toddler aged sons to âsuck it up; boys donât cryâ about nearly dying. This kind of âmanly manâ behaviour persists for the length of his character, despite the fact that he lived in a Matriarchal society that most likely wouldnât have those kind of roles enforced on their boys.
Later on in the case, Apollo nearly drowns again, and while Dhurke saves him a second time, the moment Apollo comes to, Dhurke proceeds to make light of the situation. One could say he was trying to lighten the mood and comfort Apollo, but the fact that he allows Datz to howl with laughter at Apolloâs expense (not to mention Trucy if I remember correctly,) proves that he doesn't see the situation as very upsetting because Apollo survived, despite what Apollo might feel on the subject.Â
Dhurke also appears to Apollo right the fuck out of nowhere, without a single word of warning, after FIFTEEN years of complete radio silence. Apollo is understandably pissed off, but Dhurke makes no attempt to talk Apolloâs feelings through with him OR apologizeâ he simply does everything he can to play off this awful behaviour as no big deal, and even asks Apollo for a favour. When Trucy gives Dhurke the benefit of the doubt, not knowing their shared history very well (and having Daddy issues of her own), Dhurke immediately suggests Apollo marry her, apropos of nothingâ implying he wants nothing more than Apollo to immediately accept him, rather than confronting the emotional issues he started in the first place.Â
Apollo isnât the only victim of this either; when Dhurke interacts with Nahyuta, both his tone of voice and sprites indicate a bewildered sort of patronizing air. He asks why Nahyuta has betrayed his cause, but doesnât seem to show much actual betrayal or hurt on the subject. The way he treats Nahyuta while talking about his motivations and morality makes it seem like he doesnât actually care about how Nahyuta feels or thinksâ he sees him as more of a piece in his game rather than a beloved member of his family.Â
This seems even harsher when we take into account the fact that Nahyuta is doing all of this against his own willâ so not only does Dhurke seem completely indifferent to him, but he admonishes him like a child when Nahyuta himself is going through an incredibly difficult time.Â
Dhurke doesnât even trust his own son, not for a second wondering if perhaps there are extenuating circumstances behind his supposed betrayal, despite knowing what kind of a woman Gaâran is.Â
âąDhurke often undermined Apolloâs skills, and kept glaring secrets from him
One of Dhurkeâs first orders of business on arrival to America is to give Apollo a plate of sushi and say something to the affect of âwow! youâre doing WAY better than i imagined you would be, son!â which, to someone like Apollo, must sting a lot. Dhurke does say that he believes in Apollo later on, during the trial, but considering the other evidence, it seems disingenuous, and more like he was just trying to pep him up so that he could achieve his desired result.Â
Continuing a point from the previous bullet, Dhurke pops right the hell out of nowhere to visit Apollo after years of neglect. Sure, he may not have been able to leave the country, but considering the stuff he did manage to do, there was nothing stopping him from secreting letters to his son. Either way, his motivation to finally visit his son was the fact that heâd run out of time to do just that. He was DEAD, and he knew he had to see his son one last time before he went. Seems kinda sweet.... until you remember that he also went to secure Apolloâs services to help him in the final trial against Gaâran.Â
And thats what brings us to his ridiculous secret keepingâ the fact that he kept his death a secret made a load of the final trial an absolute chore to get through. If heâd simply explained to Apollo that he was already dead, a lot of the contradictions in the trial would have been removed, thus making it easier to come to the truth. He actively sabotaged his sonâs chances of winning to keep up a useless charade. Because whether he told him then or after, Apollo would have to live with the fact that Dhurke got himself killed before he ever managed to see Apollo again. Sure, letting Apollo believe he was alive at first might have spared him a large amount of initial angstâ but in the long run it was an absolutely idiotic move. It put Apollo in deep emotional turmoil while in the middle of a very sensitive case, and directly decreased his chances at surviving the ordeal.Â
One could say that Dhurke simply kept the secret so that Apollo would cooperate with him more willingly, thus giving the trial (and therefor the revolution) a better chance at succeeding... but that would simply support my point by showing that Dhurkeâs a cold, calculating bastard who used Apollo as an unwitting pawn.Â
Either way, his decision to keep his death a secret was deeply disrespectful to Apolloâs feelings, and his refusal to grant important information nearly killed his entire family.Â
âąDhurke often put people in needless danger for absolutely no reason at all and performs insanely boneheaded moves for the supposed head of a revolution.Â
Letâs start chronologically with a problem thatâs been glaring at me from day one.Â
Upon becoming a fugitive, Dhurke sent Apollo to America to keep him safe from the dangers in his country. This, at first, seems like a kindly move on his part. But it falls apart when you consider the fact that he kept Nahyuta with him, and the consequences it had.
His decision doesnât work emotionally or practically, because....Â
-On the practical side, he sent Apollo away to keep him safe, but keeping Nahyuta meant putting Nahyuta through the very danger he wanted to protect Apollo from. Not only did Nahyuta risk imprisonment or death by his association with Dhurke, but he was also canonically ostracized by all members of his society and affectively made a pariah until he became Gaâranâs right hand man. This makes Dhurke look like he considers Nahyuta his property (being his biological son) rather than a loved member of his family. Sure, sending Nahyuta away to America would leave him childless, but it would assure Nahyutaâs safety, and being with Apollo would mean he wouldnât be alone. Practically, this would also mean Dhurke wouldnât have to actively worry about his childrenâs safety while rescuing Amara and getting the revolution underway. Â
-On the emotional side, he sent Apollo (his adopted son, therefor not his flesh and blood) away to a place the child knew nothing of, to grow up an orphan abandoned by his birth and adoptive parents. Itâs notable that during flashbacks, Nahyuta calls Dhurke âfatherâ, while Apollo simply calls him âDhurkeâ. These two together make Dhurke look like a callous man who didnât consider Apollo his real son, or a valid member of his society, and simply sent him away to prevent him from becoming a hindrance.Â
Neither option paints him in a kind light, and it makes you wonder what was going through his head at the time. To be a little more meta on the subject; the decision makes sense to the writers, who have to shoehorn this backstory into Apolloâs established past, but they failed to realize how awful it made Dhurke look as a human being.
Now onto the next point. During the trial, Dhurke keeps numerous important secrets, mouths off at the queen and generally behaves very difficultly the whole time. This would be nothing more than an annoyance during a normal trial... except this is a trial where the DC act is in place. And Dhurke knows that.
Dhurke knows full well that if they lose, Apollo, Phoenix, and his entire rebel group (if captured) will be put to death. Yet he continues to act like a roguish piece of shit the entire time.
This makes Dhurke look almost sociopathicâ he cares more about being rebellious than the safety of his own son and numerous other people. Because heâs already dead, his line of reasoning appears to be âwell, iâm dead! who cares if they kill me?â which once again means that heâs completely disregarding the other lives he has on the line by putting them in this predicament in the first place.Â
As mentioned above, not telling Apollo about his death put major obstacles in Apolloâs way to winning the trial, thus putting him in grave danger. If we assume that Dhurke was trying to spare Apolloâs feelings for as long as possible, you just want to shout âApolloâs life might be a little more important than his emotions right now, Dhurke!â
This leads me to my second... third? Point.
Correct me if Iâm wrong, because Iâm still totally mystified on thisâŠ
Why did Dhurke take Maya back to the hostage situation?Â
Dhurke rescued Maya from Inga and got himself killed (in the most idiotic and short-sighted way possibleâ good job o glorious rebel leader) and then asked Maya to channel him so that he could visit Apollo for the last time.
Ok, that seems all very well and good. Except... why would he take Maya back to the hostage situation he rescued her from?!
This was days after heâd saved her life, and even more importantly, he knew that he had done so. It wasnât like with Dahlia, where she didnât realize Maya was the one channeling herâ Dhurke knew full well why he was still on earth, and who he was cruising around inside (which also makes his actions in the cave a little nasty tooâ being pretty careless with MAYAâs body, arenât you, Dhurke?).
Returning Maya to the hostage situation not only put her in danger, but it also allowed Gaâran to put forth her evil plan in the first place. Itâs not clear if Dhurke knew about the plan from the beginning, but if he didnât, thereâs literally NO reason for him to make the âexchangeâ for a girl who isnât there. In fact, why did Inga even think he still had a hostage? Dhurke rescued Maya days ago.  What the hell was anyone thinking?!
Letâs say this does make sense; letâs say that both sides âcollaboratedâ for different reasons to bring this sham together so that we could have the trial of our final case (Gaâran wanting to crush the rebels, and Dhurke wanting to crush Gaâran).
- If Gaâran knew Maya was already rescued, what reason would she have to assume that Dhurke would return with her, rather than taking her to safety?
-If Dhurke knew about Gaâranâs plan, why wouldnât he try to sabotage it and expose Gaâran right then and there?
The entire ending of the game, including Gaâranâs plot, seems to hinge on completely backwards actions. I really cannot fathom why Dhurke would bring Maya back to a hostage situation heâd already rescued her from.Â
Granted, for this point I will say that the plot is so convoluted that I may be missing something that makes sense of it... But considering the quality of the writing, I doubt it.
The final point I will save for Amaraâs section, as it concerns her. But rest assured, it is an ENORMOUS plot hole.
NAHYUTAÂ
Nahyuta Sahdmadhi. Sad-mad indeed. Not only is Nahyuta a complete ripoff of Simon Blackquill (who in turn is a ripoff of Miles Edgeworth and Jowd) but heâs an even more unlikeable ripoff of said character. Â
Right from the beginning, Nahyuta is presented as a smug, holier-than-thou douchebag who uses the excuse of âitâs my religion!â to treat people abominably.Â
His accusations are shaky at best, and his reasoning seems to be less fuelled by logic and more by malice. During the two turnabouts he faces in America, Nahyuta claims the defendant would kill over incredibly trivial or easily manageable matters, and claims that he's completely right because... karma..? Yeahâ his Prosecutor Power isnât even ever explained, and rarely brought up. We know Simon is a manipulative bastard, but Nahyutaâs âkarmaâ powers are never satisfactorily explained in any way, shape or form.Â
His odious nature is amazingly difficult to deal with, and the poor attempts of Lol Foreign Guy humour they throw in barely makes up for it. Godot was an asshole, but he was charmingly eccentric and charismatic. Edgeworth was an asshole, but he showed proper logical thought in his deductions. Franziska was an asshole, but she and Edgeworth share the Von Karma excuse, as well as also being quite clever in her rebuttals. Simon was an asshole, but he had a generally good reason to keep up his nasty behaviour.Â
Nahyuta? Well, he shares the same excuseâ heâs trying to protect someone by acting the part of the evil prosecutor. Except... he only really has to do that while heâs under Gaâranâs eyes, e.g., in Khuraâin.
While in America, Nahyuta has NO excuse to act like such an insufferable prick. Not only does he force his religionâs dogma down othersâ throats (which would be equally obnoxious if it were any other religion, say, Christianity) but heâs actively malicious for no good reason. As Iâve mentioned before, but must mention againâ He directly tries to use Athenaâs PTSD against her to make her unfit to act as Defence.
When we get to the reveal, Nahyuta claims heâs being blackmailed with his sisterâs safety into submission by Gaâran. However, this doesnât explain WHY he has to act like such a terrible person. He could very well have simply acted as a devout, if civil prosecutor, doing what Gaâran asked of him without any further malice. But letâs say he put on a horrible facade to further placate Gaâran.
Then why does he keep up the charade while out of her line of sight? If he truly hates his situation, as he says, one would think heâd find foreign trials to be a welcome respite from his terrible, exhausting act of villainy.Â
But noâ he gleefully flings self-righteous abuse at foreign lawyers, while in THEIR COUNTRY, serving under THEIR LAWS. And this, combined with the fact that he only puts up a resistance to Gaâran when Apollo already has her on the ropes makes him look like a bully who actively enjoys his power, and quickly defects to align himself with whoever is suddenly on the winning side.Â
AMARAÂ
And at last we come to Amara, who is the least malicious and most mysterious of the three.Â
Amara is held up by the people of Kuraâin as a just, benevolent queen who brought them prosperity and peace. Her death is greatly mourned by her people, and much rejoicing is had when she returns to them.
But is Amara really that great? Well, considering the circumstances, no.
Amaraâs excuse for siding with her villainous sister is the same as her sons; sheâs scared of what will happen to Rayfa if she disobeys.Â
Now, while itâs never directly stated, this is supposedly what prevented Amara from simply revealing herself to be still alive, thus dethroning her horrible sister.Â
But thereâs a window of time that doesnât match up with this excuseâ and thatâs during her pregnancy.Â
Hereâs the excuse the game gives us:Â
- Amara claims that she didn't trust Dhurke when he rescued her, which is why she returned to her sisterâs service.
This is most likely a lie, because she says so while still under Gaâranâs power. But if it IS a lie, it makes no sense why she wouldnât out her sister at the nearest available moment.Â
If she trusted Dhurke, it would be easy to deduce that Gaâran was behind the initial arson. After all, the chain of events went thusly:
Amaraâs house nearly burns down, but she miraculously survives. Her sister claims that Dhurke caused the blaze, and encourages Amara to fake her own death to ward of any further assassinations, meanwhile giving Gaâran the crown. Gaâran keeps Amara under house arrest and has her make it look like Gaâran can channel spirits. Gaâran puts a law in place that outlaws defence attorneys, and makes defence of criminals punishable by death.
When Dhurke convinces Amara that he didnât set the blaze, then the only logical (or at least, deeply suspicious) culprit is Gaâran.Â
If neither Amara nor Dhurke realized this, when putting their respective stories together, theyâre colossal idiots. If Amara DID realize this, then her inaction is inexplicable. And finally, if Amara really didnât trust Dhurke... then the writers of Spirit of Justice are implying that Rayfa is a child of rape. Because I highly doubt a woman would willingly consent to sex with a man she believed tried to kill her.Â
Later on, thereâs a second excuse for why Amara didnât try to challenge her sister.
- Amara was a kind soul who loved her sister, and didnât want to hurt or mistrust her.
Well this is absolutely ridiculous. If Amara simply didnât out her sister because she loved her, then sheâs an absolute shit queen. This means that she cared more for her sisterâs peace of mind than the wellbeing and safety of her own people. She was foolish enough to believe that the woman who framed her husband for murder and usurped her crown would be a fair and just ruler. And lettingâ LETTING her sister impose the DC act meant that she was indirectly responsible for the oppression and death of many of her people.Â
Her inaction during her time on the run with Dhurke cost her country hundreds if not thousands of lives, culminating with that of her own son.
One might say that Amara might not have been safe enough from Gaâranâs forces to reveal herselfâ yet, she was protected by Dhurkeâs rebels, and the royal guards would most likely have still been loyal to her at that point, especially if she revealed that her sister couldnât channel (which appears to be the only reason they follow her. what a delightful system they have in place)
Even during the time when Rayfaâs reputation (and possibly life?) is at stake, Amara makes no attempt to even try to oppose her sister. She simply sits idly by while her people suffer and die under her sisterâs iron-fisted regime. Sure, it would probably be dangerous to attempt, and it would be a tragedy if Rayfaâs life was taken in the process... but compared to the hundreds of other families destroyed by the DC act and Gaâranâs corruption, it seems like a smaller price to pay. Sometimes leaders have to make difficult decisions for the good of their people âsomething that is deeply impressed upon poor little Rayfa throughout the gameâ and Amara fails to rise to the challenge.Â
So in the end, Amaraâs portrayal makes her look naive and childish at best, and callous, apathetic and neglectful at worse. She is, at least, certainly not the excellent queen everyone makes her out to be.
In general, the Sahdmadhis are all kind of assholes. And whatâs most depressing is that if the writers had put just a little more effort into writing them (instead of having other characters mindlessly extol their virtues), they wouldn't have been. With a few simple dialogue/story tweaks, Dhurke could have been a complicated, but ultimately sympathetic and loving father. Nahyuta could have been a deeply conflicted but ultimately virtuous person in a desperate situation. Amara could have been an intensely tragic character who tried to protect those she loved, but was ultimately rendered powerless by forces beyond her control.Â
But strangely enough, it seems that all the failings the writers accidentally heaped onto these three are completely absent, or explored in depth in...
RAYFA
Little Rayfa, only fourteen years old, who has been spoiled and abused all her life, somehow manages to be a better person than all her family combined.
Once Rayfa is exposed to a different way of thinking by Phoenix as early as the third case, she begins thinking critically about her situation and actions. Despite being a child, and being raised to think a certain way and never question it on pain of... well, something horrible, Rayfa not only shows a surprising amount of compassion for her stunted moral growth, but actively defies her âmotherâ several times. She puts herself in a surprising amount of danger to help two people considered criminals in her countryâ simply because, despite her conditioning, she sees something wrong with the situation, and wishes to fix it.Â
Rayfa stands tall where Nahyuta cowers, she reaches out where Dhurke pulls back, and she looks deeper where Amara looks away.Â
If this were intentional on the part of the writers, it would be a deep and interesting moral. But considering the context, Rayfa is just accidentally far more heroic and sympathetic in comparison with her family.
As I said during my play-by-plays, I donât loathe Spirit of Justice, and I think the game introduced some interesting concepts and ideas. It simply failed to play them out with any sort of competence. I donât judge anybody for liking Dhurke, Nahyuta or Amara, but I canât sit idly by without pointing out the piss-poor writing job the characters had.Â
You canât just write a character who makes terrible decisions, and then make them âgoodâ just because everybody else says so. A complicated character needs effort put into their portrayal, and this effort is simply something that the SOJ writing team didnât bother with.Â
But that doesnât necessarily mean the characters are out of luck. Weâre role-playersâ writers! We have the power to fill in the gaps the original authors neglected or forgot. Thereâs hope for the royal family yetâ itâs just not in the hands of Capcom.
#ace attorney#ace attorney spirit of justice#spirit of justice spoilers#spirit of justice#long ass post#an essay of sorts#very very brief mention of rape#sulking over SOJ#i didn't include Datz because he's not a royal and he's not too important of a character#but he's still a nutjob]#this has been in my drafts a long time#lemme just dump it out now
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