#waven theory

[cocogum]

Count Harebourg is alive. Here’s why.

Believe me, this claim sounds laughable, but trust me on this.

Harebourg, the count of Frigost, the xelor demigod, Xelor's son, the crazy narcissistic punk from the Ogrest manga, and a complete weirdo stalking a 13-year-old royal in her adventures, is alive.

Many people would understandably believe that he was gone for good when the eliabomb completely destroyed Oropo's pocket dimension.

But what if he was never there to begin with? What if he wasn't there with Oropo and Echo during that time?

Before I explain my theory, though, I'd like to show you some very odd proof that our lovable, crazed demigod xelor is alive in the sequel of the Wakfu mmorpg. Which would be Waven.

Thanks to Waven, we learned that the world now divided itself into four clans:

The Order Clan

The Nature Clan

The Science Clan

The Trade Clan

Each twelvian has a purpose to fill, contribute, and is a member of one of those four clans.

So far, the only people who you get to receive quests from those clans are the following: Dally, Eva, Ruel, Alibert, Arpagone, Coqueline, Ogrest, Otomai, Dathura, Goultard, Kali, Black Bump, Joris, Jerubim, Atcham, Moumoune, Sipho, Maskemane, Justice Knight, Renata, Miranda, Kabrok, and Yrehn.

That makes 23 canon people in total who survived the great wave. We know that those are canonical survivals because some of those quests contain little pieces of lore and information that already hint at some things that happened during the beginning of the Waven era.

Things like the fact that Coqueline has become Sipho's new master now that Echo is no longer alive. Not only that, but Sipho and Kali, residents of Coqueline's animal sanctuary island, now listen to and obey her for anything.

We can also see that Kali and Sipho joined the Nature Clan with Coqueline. Unlike Coqueline, however, They have no reason to be in a clan that doesn't correspond to their ideals and passions, yet they joined it to stay with her and follow her orders.

Joris became the king of Bonta and joined the Science Clan.

Kerubim, as always, manages his bazaar store and yet surprisingly joined the Science Clan instead of the Trade Clan.

As for Atcham, he joined the Trade Clan, most likely just so he could find a good excuse to beat the shit out of anyone who'd give him fake goods.

Meanwhile, you have Kabrok and Miranda, who never stopped their selling tactics and joined the Trade Clan together. (I wonder what happened to their daughter, though, since we don't see her in their shop. There's literally no sign of her anywhere, but let's not jump to conclusions yet.)

And then, we have Yrehn, who some may know her from the upcoming Bestiale show. She'll be playing a major role in it as the main character soon.

So her being a part of Waven by making her first appearance in this way is huge proof that the people giving you quests in Waven ARE, IN FACT, alive and well in this new era.

Now that we have enough evidence that the quest-givers are canon to Waven, this only begs one question.

If Harebourg is dead, why is he in Waven?

Not only is he here, but he is also a quest-giver and has joined one of the four cardinal clans in the world. Even his choice for joining the Science Clan makes sense, given his mindset and xelor nature.

Of all the people the Waven team could've given the responsibility to give quests to, they chose the one with the least reasons to be there. Literally, if you take a look at all the other characters that give you quests so far, they all pretty much have legitimate reasons to have survived the great wave: Joris became king of Bonta, Atcham and Kerubim were with Joris because they always tag along with him, Miranda and Kabrok survived because you can buy things from their island shop in Waven, Yrehn is alive because she's the next main character in the upcoming show Bestiale that happens during Waven, Kali and Sipho are alive because you can tell by their dialogues when they give you quests that they joined Coqueline in the Nature clan which also confirms Coqueline is alive. Dally, Eva, Goultard, Ruel, and Alibert are alive because you can participate in missions with Dally, Eva, and Goultard in Waven's story mode. You can see Ruel at Astrub, and Alibert has real dialogues when he gives you quests about how he still works at his inn, which means Yugo's home also survived. Maskemane is here because the last time we saw him was in the Ecaflip Dimension, so he somehow succeeded in coming back and missing the great wave. Ogrest and Otomai are also here because you can see them in Waven's story mode. Arpagone and Moumoune are enutrofs and well...well they're enutrofs they somehow survived the Dofus era and the Wakfu one so it wouldn't be surprising if they're still here. Dathura and Black Bump are demigods and have gone to their own corners, Renata may not have explainable reasons why he's here, but I believe that since there are still sadidas in Waven, so can Renata be there. As for Justice Knight, it would simply be too weird for him not to have survived the great wave.

So again, why is Harebourg here?

All the other quest-givers not only have canon dialogues on what they could be doing in Waven, but they also have genuine reasons to have survived the great wave.

Harebourg doesn't have either of these.

(He doesn't have canon dialogues because all of his quests are about experimentations and nothing about himself)

Unless something did happen in Season 3, and we didn't see it.

Hear me out. I have a theory that could solve all of this.

It took me a couple of months to think about it, but I FULLY believe that even though his place in Waven is off-putting, THERE IS ACTUALLY A REASON WHY HE'S HERE.

This is where we come to my theory:

Harebourg’s ice magic should have been able to get destroyed during Pin’s birth back in Season 3.

When you’ve got a copy paste version of a DEMIGOD (Oropo) telling a DRAGON (Adamaï) that Pin’s birth is stronger than him AND managed to destroy his tower, you know Harebourg’s own ice magic just HAD to have been demolished.

Oropo wasn’t just carelessly saying that he couldn't withstand Pin's power. The guy literally had trouble reconstructing his own tower every time Eva was pushing! He had the Eliacube, an artifact stronger than the gods combined together! An eliacube is a mechasm's heart, and we can see how even the mother of the Krosmoz, Eliatrope, had trouble being accepted by it. And since it was said that Harebourg’s ice couldn’t get destroyed by a mortal, guess who did manage to break it.

The Iop god.

So if Oropo said that Pin was able to overpower him while he had one of the most powerful artifacts that the World of Twelve and the krosmoz has ever known, Harebourg should DEFINITELY have been freed by now.

Yes, he may have not been saved by Echo’s feathers during the final fight, but he must’ve had a few recall potions to bring him back to the World of Twelve. Given from what we’ve seen with Poo, every member of the brotherhood has one or more potions that can lead them back to the tower or to the World of Twelve.

For Harebourg, his recall potions strictly only redirected him back to Frigost. And that's exactly what happened in this scenario. As soon as Pin's birth ended, Harebourg's ice prison broke, leaving him understandably confused and disoriented by the change of location and situation he was in. So, knowing that he had no business in whatever was going on at that time, he decided to drink one of his potions and go back to Frigost.

His absence in the political meeting with the royals and counts from Season 4 makes sense since it's been a few years that Frigost hasn't had him.

(The only reason why he wasn't in the meeting of Season 2 was because it was only reserved for all the race leaders to learn more about the new race on their planet. That would also explain why Lance Dur, being a count, and the king of Amakna weren't there. The Queen of Sufokia wasn't there despite representing a race, but she had a reason not to be there since she was busy finding a location for her people at that time. Astra, the main queen of Bonta wasn't there either because the king of Brakmar was there. Although even if Harebourg was allowed to participate in that Season 2 meeting, he wouldn't have come since he couldn't give two shits about any other nation or race except caring for his dear Frigost lol)

Due to his major absence from Frigost, he was too busy catching up to his lands' problems to care about what was going on to the rest of the world.

To conclude, Harebourg may have survived, but he was the only member of the Brotherhood of the Forgotten to have missed so much.

So what do you think?

This all makes perfect sense, right?

Right?

No joke, I fully believe that this is exactly how it happened because you cannot tell me that Pin managed to destroy Oropo's tower REPEATEDLY but did not break Harebourg's ice.

It also makes perfect sense that Ankama would've seen that big detail from Season 3 and retcon the whole thing by making him appear on Waven, which is why he'd even be there in the first place.

On another note, there might have been an actual reason why Harebourg had been forgotten by his brotherhood.

@doc-acher once summarized the explanation here. It's basically a conspiracy theory that explains why Harebourg might have been forgotten, a petty reason which made Tot retract his statement about saying Harebourg died years ago in some of his past tweets 👇

Btw that last tweet says:

Zexion: Thank you for this amazing season! I gotta ask: what happened with Harebourg at the end?

Tot: Uh...I think he ended up with Echo and Oro

IRGL: Or it's another way to say "oops, I zapped him" :p

Tot: I zapped him :)

[amaliashiro]

⚠️ Theory for season 4 finale ⚠️

In a older post I made, Tot mentionned that in the new game Waven, that happens after season 4, we will be able to visit the Sadida Kingdom's ruins!

This must means that the final fight will have great impacts on the kingdom. Also, in the new game, Yugo and Amalia are not present while the Percedal family is. Maybe they will be added after the tv show.

But I am really worried for Amalia! A lot of people think that she will somehow sacrifice herself for the kingdom. I am having heavy angst for Yumalia but at the same time, I am excited to see some more Yumalia moments.

[kerubimcrepin]

The Dofus MMO Timeline : Leorictus Sheran-Sharm, and the curious case of an implied tenuous relationship between the Crepin-Jurgens

Today we will begin reviewing MMO lore, which was helpfully compiled by yours truly in a video-series. And this post is entirely about the historic events and chronological happenings of the game, as pertaining to Joris, Kerubim, and Atcham.

A Short Summary of Leorictus Sheran-Sharm and the Huppermage Genocide:

The events preceding the game, and the way Leorictus obtained the cursed crown that drove him insane, are quite well explained by this little summary from the Dofus Site:

Even though he was cursed after these events, the war between Bonta and Brakmar at the time is described as nothing short of a slaughter, which might signal to us that, perhaps, even before his descent into madness he was not a very good man.

While ending his own life, Leorictus, through some manipulation, took the Ivory Dofus with him, and used it for evil even after death.

After his death, a horrible civil war and a genocide of huppermages followed.

Kerubim and Joris (and maybe Atcham's) Never-ending Nightmare:

Kerubim's dialogue on the topic, as well as Joris being on good terms with the huppermages, show us that their opinions did not align with those of the Bontarian masses, which would have, at the time, made them outcasts, or outright put them in danger.

And yet...

Even though Luis and Kerubim appear in Astrub within the game, we know for a fact that they did not live there until very recently, thanks to multiple NPCs mentioning them moving to Astrub from Bonta — which means that, all this time, despite the horrific events surrounding them, they continued living there.

Personally, I think they couldn't leave Bonta out of a moral sense of duty, to help their city flourish once more, or to try and help the huppermages that could not leave. It is similar to what they do to a greater extent in Waven, and fits timeline-wise, with the presecution ending around the time of Dofus MMO.

This would mean that they moved back to Astrub, a city of great emotional significance to Joris and Kerubim, after decades of civil war and prosecutions. Because living in such conditions, out of a moral obligation, is bound to put a toll on a person, and is, in my opinion, the precise reason they move to Astrub in the first place.

Atcham AKA Real Winners Quit:

You may have noticed, so far, that I had not yet mentioned Atcham. It is because at the time of the MMO he defected back to Brakmar and went back to a life of crime.

While it is possible that the author of the wanted poster was simply mistaken, I do want to stress the fact that this game takes place around two hundred years in the future, and realistically, by this point, Atcham would be known as a Bontarian.

However, he isn't on bad terms with Kerubim, who speaks very fondly of him, and protects him from receiving punishment for literally beating up random adventurers (using his "defending obvious criminals" skills as demonstrated in episode 42 of Aux Tresors de Kerubim. By which I mean I think he bribed this guy).

In my opinion, Atcham just hated the events in Bonta so much that he fled, went back to Brakmar, and is now refusing to come home because he's mad at Kerubim and Joris for putting themselves in danger.

The Move to Astrub:

Their house in Astrub is the same as it's always been. Warm and welcoming.

At this time, Joris spent his time guiding new incarnates in Incarnam.

We know this to be canon even after his removal from the tutorial, because he is mentioned as an easter egg for players who leave without finishing said tutorial.

My pet theory is that Joris left Incarnam due to lack of respect from his co-workers...

The reason I keep mentioning Joris and Kerubim living together, despite Joris's absence from the home, is that the Zaap to Incarnam is free of charge, and located in Astrub's Temple of Twelve.

It's quite realistic for Joris to be able to make the trip every day. Especially when Kerubim was also able to make the same trip, just for his own leisure. (in my mind, he could even just come and visit Joris...)

Joris and Kerubim's interpersonal relationship:

Since I already mentioned Atcham and what he may generally think, it would be rude not to mention Kerubim and Joris, and the glimpses we have at their relationship at this point.

One of the things that is most notable about their house, is the absolutely dilapidated state of the attic — which is, usually, where Joris has historically lived.

It's a bit of a shaky connection, but if it really is his bedroom, or a place close or adjacent to his bedroom, it might imply Joris just gave up on taking care of it, (not that it's quite taken care of in general, even in Wakfu times...) or that he lived in another area of the home.

Joris is mostly absent, and preoccupied with helping Bonta, despite his attempts to perhaps distance himself a little by moving to Astrub.

He mentions Kerubim once, and it's quite in character: he likes to keep his personal life very far from random work acquaintances.

Kerubim does not mention Joris or Atcham (save for a singular line of dialogue), but talks about dead people from 200 years ago incessantly. In my opinion, it is his way of respecting Joris's privacy and wishes. (And saving his own skin.)

(Imagine you were a calm, collected professional with an image to uphold, and your parent, who works in the same sphere and sees similar clients, went around telling stories of what you did as a child behind your back... brr.)

However, a lot of his dialogue reads as very... lonely. So I really doubt he's entirely on board with Joris and Atcham going off on their own, though there's not much he can do about it.

(The second screenshot is included because Kerubim saying "it's good to have someone small at home" deranges me. He is so empty nest syndrome'd it's crazy)

[theselfstudyenthusiast]

Sorry, my bad....

I want to publicly apologise to the Great Dragon. 🙇

After a cool-down period, I dove into Wakfu Wikia and re-read the first chapter of WAKFU: The Great Wave.

I've realised the dragon who invaded my boy's dream and gave Yumalia a case of coitus interruptus (a wet dream ?) was NOT Yugo's father.

*Beware of potential spoilers for Dofus the Movie, Wakfu, Wakfu the webtoon and Waven*

The silhouette shown during the dream sequence reminded me of two dragons from the World of Twelve.

Theory #1 : Grougalorasalar

The first one is Grougalorasalar, the Primordial Ebony dragon. Yes, the same dragon linked to Master Joris.

The picture from the webtoon is very similar to Rasalar, especially the wings and horns.

I can't show the webtoon, but here is the Ebony dragon. Looks like if Godzilla and a giant bat had a baby.

However, I don't know how Grougalorasalar could have entered Yugo's dream or how he would have known about the threat the Eliatrope king might represent. I mean, sure, Yugo is a walking disaster but his reputation is not (yet) that bad, right?

As far as I know, Grougalorasalar doesn't have a "dream-hijacking" ability. Plus, like in all good old fantasy settings, the Ebony Dragon and all Black dragons from the WoT is a malignant creature, symbolising Black Fire or Stasis... or so the Wakfu wikia says.

If that's the case, why would Grougalorasalar seemingly try to prevent Yugo from doing what he does best, "unwittingly endangering the world" ?

That's why I'm more inclined to believe this is the work of Draconiros.

Theory #2 : Draconiros

His dragon form is flawless.

Draconiros is the Master of Dreams and the Lord of Nightmares. He lives in the Kingdom of Dreams, within the Astral Plane. As such, he can manipulate dreams as he wishes. This could include hijacking someone else's dreams or even changing his appearance within said dreams.

In the wikia, it is said that Draconiros also seems to have a part in the events preceding the Eliocalypse, possibly trying to prevent it.

Since he has access to dreams, this dragon could know about the vision the Eliacube gave Oropo and how Yugo might be linked to the almost destruction of the World of Twelve (WoT). If so, it would make sense for Draconiros to contact Yugo and announce his upcoming courtesy visit. This dragon is a true gentleman! 🙏

Still, if Draconiros is really behind Yugo's nightmare, why would he pick the form of another dragon? It could also be that his true form has been redesigned for the webtoon, like they did with Nora in the tv show, idk.

Theory #3 : Idk for sure but it's not the Great Dragon

Either way, an interference from any Twelvian dragon makes more sense than the Great Invisible Dad trolling his son just to say "I hate you! Wait till I get home! 👿👿👿".

This is especially true, taking into account what is known about the Great Dragon. He is the incarnation of Stasis, the energy of destruction. Why would he bother preventing the end of one world among so many? Plus, he wasn't shown interacting with the Eliatropes back in the day, even when they were facing extinction, thanks to the Mechasms. he Great Dragon is the incarnation of Stasis, the energy of destruction.

Nah, Great Dragon "danced" with the Eliatrope Goddess, which helped her get the kids she wanted, and DIPPED! Does he even know the names of his kids? There's a reason they are called Eliatropes and not Stasisians or something. 😒

These are speculations based on my small understanding of the Wakfu universe. I don't play any MMORPG from the Wakfu franchise. I have not read all the available materials, apart from the manga-style Wakfu comics, which are a must-read for fans of the series and take place after Season 2.

For all I know, Yugo's nightmare could be sent by someone else or something else entirely.

For example, if the gods were not MIA, I would have thought Osamodas, the OG dragon master, or Sram, the biggest troll in Twelvian History, would have something to do with this nightmare.

Ngl, I was hoping this was a nightmare created by Yugo's trauma (ptsd) or his link with Toross. I really want to see this antagonist come back to haunt Yugo somehow. Maybe he can still make an appearance as a hallucination (PTSD?) or as himself from the Necroworld, channelling Rotalström (still in the Sadida kingdom), the stasis he stabbed Yugo with or the wakfu he ingested from the Eliatrope king. Anything to see Toross again! 🙏🙏🙏

I cannot wait for Episode 2 to drop and obliterate my theories!

**Please, go read Wakfu The Great Wave if you can **

[mizaryroku]

That what I want to happen in the futur, in Wakfu season 4 or Waven.

I like to think like it would happen for my characters if they were in this Apocalypse.

I have so much speculation and theories who inspire me!

[ol-files]

Just sharing

White the s4 airing and the world been for the how know number of times at the brick of destruction. A 30min video on a essay of world before their end?

It was that or a color theories about the eliatrop council and their parents, but - another time maybe.

*I also just love this guy video

**Maybe it's also about waven in though too.

[nautiscarader]

Hi, wakfu season 4 is very soon and as a Yumalia fan, I hope they will get together in the end and could get married and have children. Some theories and waven first videos seems suggest one of them, Yugo or Amalia, could die in this season. Honestly, I don't want this happen. What do you think about that ?

Well, obviously I don't want them to die either. And i also want their relationship to develop properly, and not get forced,so maybe take off the foot from the gas pedal here ;)

[jorisjurgen]

Important waven lore questions anyway do you think prion disease exists in krosmoz and considering that all animal people are actually actually maybe i should keep this crepin-jurgen warcrime lore theory in the drafts do NOT post

[textsfromthetofu]

my theory is: all those Eliatropes are those contained within the Cube; Yugo got post-battle existential dread and retired to live with the Eliatropes and when they needed him, Adamai went to go get him. Runs into Quilby, and we see him fall in the White Dimension. This somehow disrupts the pocket dimension, and God-King Yugo with his subjects end up in Inglorium in front of Waven-related rhombus. Pain ensues. (1/2)

Flopin and Elely look like they've been powered up with the same kind of Armor as the panty guy from season 3; Maybe whatever's messing up Inglorium is leaking over into the World of Twelve? Looks like it, since the Sadida Realm looks pretty screwed. (2/2)

Ooh, I love all this idea! It certainly looks like whatever is going on in Inglorium is threatening to have effects across the World of Twelve and all other dimensions. Maybe setting off the Eliabomb allowed Qilby to escape the White Dimenson?

And maybe Yugo’s guilt at creating the Eliotropes made him decide to take up the role as God-King...

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The theory behind the mechasms explained.

‼️ SPOILERS FOR SEASON 4 ‼️

LEAVE AT THE WARNING IF YOU HAVEN’T SEEN EPISODES 9 AND 10.

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This theory begins with Qilby.

Because of his story, we were able to learn that Lokus is in fact a mechasm.

As soon as he gains the eliatrope dofus, he decides to bail the group to observe Lokus. He talks to Shinonome and tells her that they should decide to make a new Eliacube by calling this one “Eliasphere”.

We learn through this interaction that Orgonax, the first mechasm mentioned by Qilby in Season 2, was not only the youngest but he was also the one whose heart wasn’t fully developed like the others.

This is why the Eliacube was in the shape of a cube rather than a sphere like his other counterparts. It wasn’t at its full power. So the Eliasphere, compared to the Eliacube, is much stronger.

We have to remember that Qilby’s story in Season 2 was filled with lies and deception which means it’s up to us to fill in the blanks.

Here is what I proposed truly happened :

Many eons ago, Qilby was a part of the Eliatrope council but grew incredibly tired and numb to the cycle he and his siblings kept going through. Every single one of his lives felt empty and unoriginal which made him become quite nihilistic about life. He just wished there was something, anything new to discover on this boring planet he calls home. As if the krosmoz listened to his wish, there came another race on the eliatropes’ planet. They were named the mechasms and were a mechanical race that travelled around the krosmoz.

For the first time since his first life, Qilby felt curious and amazed again. He wanted to learn everything about these mechasms, what they are, and how they are. When no one was looking, he sneaked around Orgonax, the youngest of them, and decided to extract his heart to study it. At that moment, he learned that the mechasms were able to live without their hearts since they were only used as power sources for them. Orgonax had his heart stolen and knew who the culprit was. He warned the other mechasms and the war between the eliatropes started. Since the mechasms weren’t a race capable of speaking directly like the eliatropes, the eliatropes weren’t able to understand why the mechasms attacked them and that Qilby had been the one to start the war.

The eliatropes had to leave their planet to find a new one and to distance themselves from the mechasms. Qilby proposes that they use a new invention he made called the Eliacube to leave the planet much more quickly. The council accepts the idea, given how they have no other choices in mind, and leave the planet with their people. While the journey was a long one, Qilby was enjoying himself and looked full of life again. He loved the fact that he could once again experience the unknown and study new species he gets to receive from Yugo and Adamaï on the planets they keep coming to. He had also been using this time to properly get to learn more about the Eliacube.

It took years to find what the eliatropes were looking for until they finally found a planet filled with wakfu which was later going to be called the World of Twelve.

The eliatropes were having fun again and took it easy. For once, Qilby was not pleased by this discovery. He did not want to be cooped up on a planet again when he had just been having fun. That’s why he decided to bring Orgonax by alerting his location through the Eliacube. Orgonax came much more quickly. And with the other mechasms, they destroyed the planet that the eliatropes have taken refuge in, making Yugo learn that Qilby was the one who alerted Orgonax so he fights him and throws him in the White Dimension.

Since Qilby had used the youngest mechasm’s heart at the time, he must’ve wondered what would happen if he went for a full-powered mechasm instead.

When Qilby listens to his curiosity once more, he attempts to touch Lokus’ heart but that’s when we see a series of events flashing through Qilby’s mind.

At first glance, even when we pause frame by frame, we do not understand what we’re looking at. But some people were able to piece things out.

What you’re seeing, is in actuality the council of the seven mechasms.

(if you start on the left side, you can see Lokus in the first place and then Orgonax in the third)

These flashes where they’re seen in the world have been theorized by some people to be flashbacks of what was once the second great Eliatrope war when the eliatropes have been found once again by the mechasms and destroyed the planet that will become the World of Twelve.

Either that, or these flashing scenes represent the total opposite: they’re all future reveals which would mean the mechasms would be partially the ones responsible for ruining the world. It’s clear to see that the mechasms haven’t been fully wiped out. Lokus is a reminder of that. They seem to now be watchers of the krosmoz which is why they’re only standing around not specifically doing anything unless they are forced to react.

So what are the mechasms supposed to be?

They are a sentient mechanical race who might have a council leading on top just like the Eliatropes.

The Mechasms are travellers and watchers of the krosmoz. They are usually pacifiers when they feel the need to be. They do not specifically interact through speech and can live without their hearts but they choose to keep it at all times since it harbours extreme power energy. Just the youngest heart alone was able to create a whole dimension.

Even the dofus, which can make an individual more powerful than the gods, cannot beat them. It takes a certain person to be able to be worthy of a mechasm’s heart. No one knows why that is a thing they do but they can choose someone no matter who they are.

[Note]: Also if you’re wondering where the Eliacube went after Oropo’s dimension, a tweet from Tot answering a user, said that the Eliacube is somewhere in the World of Twelve.

User: “The Eliacube came back in the World of Twelve just like the six eliatrope dofus. Knowing where it is and who has it is the real question.”

Tot: “The dofus and the Eliacube cannot be destroyed…The dofus always come back to their original locations… As for the Eliacube, that’s another story. But it is somewhere.”

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Ogrest’s love for Dathura DID NOT save her.

(THEORY)

Yeah, I went there.

I’m gonna have to explain this so please be aware that there will be major spoilers for the special Ogrest episode.

If you don’t happen to remember how the story went, I’ll summarize the whole thing for you real quick:

We start off with a flashback of Yugo’s childhood where he got sick one rainy day. He was on his bed as he listened to Alibert’s story. Alibert chose to tell Ogrest’s story, how this little creature came to be and how he got raised by Otomaï, his adoptive father.

When I first watched this special episode, I didn’t find anything wrong with it. It was a simple cute one-sided love story between Ogrest and Dathura and how Ogrest had lived his first adventure to remake Dathura’s heart.

But keep in mind that I watched Ogrest last year.

So this time, I wanted to watch it again just to refresh my mind because why not?

And then it hit me.

This whole innocent love story between Ogrest and Dathura was manufactured from the start. Ogrest never truly loved Dathura.

And here’s where the theory comes into place.

Before Ogrest was ‘born’, Otomaï was taking care of one of Sadida’s dolls named Dathura.

He was taking care of her at the time because her heart was damaged and she needed a special rare ingredient called an Ogrine to repair her heart.

Ogrines are rare particles that can fix Dathura’s heart. They have the form and color of a diamond when you closely examine them.

During the process of Otomaï preparing the formula, he put lots of ogrines to fix her heart but a small nut had accidentally been put into the mix.

It then created Ogrest to which Otomaï named him after the ogrines that got mixed with the nut.

After quite some time of Ogrest growing a bit and bonding with his father Otomaï, he comes to find out that he’s different from other people and is saddened to find out how lonely he is because he has no friends no matter how hard he tries to make some. But when he meets Dathura who is also alone and her sleeping body is in one of Otomaï’s rooms, he becomes infatuated with her and fell in love head first for her.

When he learns that her heart has been broken and needs to be repaired with some ogrines, he promised on his life that he would find some to fix her.

However, when we fast forward into the story and Ogrest manages to go on his first adventure to seek what he needs for her, her heart eventually completely shatters (literally). Due to this tragic event and the fact that Ogrest hasn’t found any ogrines for her, he tried to replace it with a sapphire-shaped heart replica but to no avail.

Ogrest could do nothing but cry at the hopeless sight and promised her that he will still try to find some ogrines no matter how long it would take.

But suddenly, as if a miracle had happened, some of Ogrest’s magic tears got on Dathura which completely saved her from her deep slumber and she awoke to Ogrest’s joy.

Near the ending, Alibert said that the answer to how Ogrest saved her was because a simple tear of love was enough to wake up a lover.

.............

BOI LET ME TELL YOU WHY THAT IS SOME BULLSHIT.

When I watched this same scene for the second time, I instantly knew that love did NOT in fact save her.

(Or rather I strongly theorize that love did not work since this still stands as a theory lol)

Ogrest was born with a lot of ogrine that was supposed to be for Dathura, not him. His body was mainly composed of the material that Dathura needed to revive herself.

In other words, Ogrest was basically THE object to use to heal her. He had been the item needed for her all this time.

(This scene also made me think of Rapunzel since she did the same thing. They both had what they needed to heal their loved ones: THEMSELVES)

So the only reason why it even worked in the first place was because Ogrest is made out of ogrine which Dathura needed.

I also believe that the ogrines that made him were responsible for making him have strong feelings for her.

A part of himself was going to BE a part of Dathura after all. Which is why he unconditionally fell in love with Dathura at first sight.

In the end, we can now clearly suspect that Ogrest loves Dathura by default and not because he genuinely developed feelings for her.

(btw sry for anyone who likes Ogrest with Dathura, don’t mind me I’m just theorizing over here lol.)

(also I just realized that if it wasn’t for these two little rock buffoons accidentally dropping the jar of nuts on Otomaï cuz that pink one got stuck on the jar’s cord, then there wouldn’t have been a giant green ogre flooding the World of Twelve right now 💀)

[kerubimcrepin]

Wakfu Manga - Tome 5, Part 1

Cute Joris.

Cynthia Leman's art is wonderful, however, I am going to miss Said Sassine's art greatly... It was a very iconic part of the manga.

"Joris has only one precept: justice" Yeah we noticed. And it's totally not paving him some sort of road to hell as we speak.

When I first read this manga I burst out laughing to the point of tears at the line "my womb is frozen" and I am still giggling to myself about it — though knowing it's coming up has long took away the sheer comical punch that it had back then.

I'm sorry, but this is so unserious.

Of course he'd be the one carrying all the Dofus...

Btw, no, this is not the death of my "during this entire manga Joris keeps his stupid battle-stump in his haven bag, which he actually has" theory. I don't think he'd like to have six dofus in his haven bag. Or anywhere near his belongings.

Creature.

Joris's many gentle hypocrisy moments is him going "well it would be very dangerous..." at the idea of battling Jiva, and then, a while later, going "fine, you are my little pogchamp, Yugo" at the idea of using them to save Tristepin.

It's in-character for many reasons, by the way. (AKA: ughh Yugo will be sad, ughhh Kerubim will be sad if kids are orphaned, ughh maybe Jiva won't kill the kids, ughh we could finally defeat Ogrest, uhghh—)

Very pretty Joris.

The idealogical debate of "nobody should have nukes" and "I, Yugo, should have nukes because I'm a good boy" has sadly been resolved, and not in Adamai's favor, as of season 4. Surely, the world will not suffer for it.

He should be scared and nervous more often.

With every passing year, every new thing revealed about Waven and the Great Wave manga, this exchange gets more and more funny.

Rare moment of Joris being genuine and emotionally truthful. Best not to get used to it, btw.

He is so well-drawn here... I really like it when his cheeks, cheekbones, or the face shape in general, is visible.

Joris looks so shocked, it's funny. Buddy, this happened to you like twice growing up. Kerubim literally also decided to keep you or something.

Real

😰👍

"tap tap tap"

">.<"

Bug.

The definition of insanity is making a little guy run again and again in an active warfare, and he gets exploded each time, but you keep telling him you'll hold the explosions back this time, every time.

DFKSADJGUIODSFGDJSOFGHSDOFUIGHDSFGHDSFKGHDSFKLJ

THIS MANGA IS WIN AFTER WIN AFTER WIN AFTER WIN FOR US, JORIS FANS!!!!!! Joris being hurt. You agree. Reblog.

His snork mimimi face after being beaten into unconsciousness is everything.

So pretty...

Man, in their eyes, he's actually cool and a badass, isn't he?

Real friends get K.O'd together

This is a very good illustration... I can't just crop it!

:(

And of course the thing Joris is most worried about is Dofus.

Though I guess logically, the kids aren't in any danger, which is why his priorities are so screwed up. Jiva has proven that she can keep a child alive for a year, and is merely mentally ill about adoption, so obviously, Joris is more worried about other things <3 (HE IS NOT NORMAL OR SANE FOR SAYING THIS!!!!)

[cocogum]

For anyone who knows the answer, please tell me cuz it’s been bugging me for so long:

I once heard (don’t remember where) that somewhere in Waven, we can see the remains of the Sadida kingdom. The thing is, I don’t remember if I heard that this claim was just a theory, or if it’s actually true and we’ll see it in a new update.

Can someone just clarify if this is even correct?

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Liveblog - Dofus, livre 1 : Julith [PART 1]

(Joris waven warcriminal voice) "Our beautiful nation."

69 sounds like the number of a case in an episode of Aux Tresors de Kerubim where Kerubim would be arrested for a twitter callout.

NEVER forget that Kerubim and Atcham went to this war for some reason.

I mean, it is a likely place for them to be, — but some whacky events (the unmentioned rivalry between old man Kerubim, Atcham, and Indie, from the second to last episode of Aux Tresors?) had to have led here. Yes, I'm putting on the tinfoil hat this early in the post, and things will just get worse from here.

Anyway: Imagine going to war. Imagine killing many people. Imagine you're mostly there to beat the shit out of your brother (but you hide it behind a veneer of heroism, because that'd be kinda cringe, innit,) and then the two commanders start making out and tearing each other's clothes off. What would you do in that situation? Because personally, I have no fucking idea.

My long-standing conspiracy theory, is that the Huppermage Temple, or someone from it, is behind framing Julith, — though it is probably due to my addiction to making characters who appear benevolent (but aren't) a hundred times worse.

Just like the conspiracy theory that Ecaflip killed Atcham and Kerubim's family so he could manipulate them for his own amusement, it's not canon, — but it should be.

Knowing Ankama it may very well be a random character who never appears in the movie, man...

Out of everyone in the Huppermage order, I don't trust these cunty, "make-up youtuber" looking women the very most.

Them in Dofus 2 when they reveal to Joris that they killed his biological parents for political gains, idk.

As we've seen from Dessous de Dofus, Bakara "earning" her robes is solely a political move.

She looks dead inside.

I'm still unsure how to fucking pronounce his name, but good for her that she does.

I will try to split these posts by the parts of the movie, and since we are now finished with the intro, I will end this post, despite it being relatively short.

[kerubimcrepin]

Episode 15 - Teeny Keke

I think it's interesting that there are ruins just outside the city. Goes to show, that even in these times, there were layers upon layers of history...

And that's not to mention how many layers there are by Dofus MMO times.

Or the way all this history is at the bottom of the ocean by Wakfu times.

He has an upside down ad.

why.

His mood swings continue to be the show's highlight.

Oh no. It's his weakness:

Women.

This is, to my knowledge, the only real item among the ones that he shows.

He's NEVER beating those Waven Bonta Cannibalism Allegations.

Are the Cannibalism Allegations canon? I hadn't played Waven, so I can't say for sure what the fuck Joris (and by proxy, Kerubim and Atcham) are doing at the helm of Bontarian government, and whether it involves cannibalism besides all the other warcrimes apparently committed.

Is it funny to mention them right after Kerubim spoke of eating sentient species? Abso-fucking-lutely.

Also, there's an emergency exit in the back, behind the two women. Luis is confirmed OSHA-compliant.

(edit: nvm it's a "this is not an emergency exit" sign. This house is gleefully OSHA non-compliant.)

He's a gross, gross old man, but god, his enthusiasm for selling things is so contagious.

This is an item in both of the MMOs. A timeless classic in the World of Twelve, I suppose.

Never let it be forgotten that this fucking map has known Joris for 600 years. And neither of them even brought it up. Very cunty.

Not a Dofus item, but a reference to Dragon Ball.

Yesss queen use your son as a guinea pig.

(Also, these wands are real items in the games, just so you know.)

I need to kill him so bad, and I don't even know why.

Anyway, another Joris salute moment.

I just want to hug Joris. So bad.

I know it could just be Simone being cool, which is a likely thing for her to be — but it always struck me as odd, the fact that she can last in combat for at least little bit, and how fast she is to grab, and use, a weapon.

I guess it might not be too strange, considering the setting. Maybe she used to be an adventurer, as a hobby, and realized she doesn't like that sort of lifestyle. Maybe something else. But it really makes one wonder where she came from, when coupled with her cryptic answers of "Oh I'm from afar."

Mind you, she doesn't seem to be a Warrior Lady. It's just that she has some skill, but not masterful skill, and that leaves a lot of theories on the table.

They are literally so special.

And their first instinct is to hug. I can't do this anymore. I can't do this anymore. 😭💕

I love how in sync they are, to the point of even saying this together.

Yeah, Keke. I also love staring at Joris when he's happy.

Seasonal depression ass. Also, not-so-seasonal depression ass, considering how he was acting just like this in the Vax's Art episode too.

It is nice to get a confirmation that Kerubim is prone to mood swings like that, and that I was right that he mostly seemed like... unwell in that episode, even before his 30-50 art related panic attacks.

However, even on our worst days, we all still have to fuckin' clean. Sad.