#vmin 2017

[winterflwers]

"one day when this cheer dies down, stay

you are my soulmate

longer than seven summers and cold winters

longer than numerous promises and memories" ♡

[not-goldy]

I don't know how to phrase this correctly, but like in regards to your statement about you saying taehyung wants vmin to be what we think vmin is. I think wooga squad pissed jimin/other members off more than we think. I think low key that was kind of the turning point of vmin in a way. It was a small turning point, but still a turning point. Also, if taehyung stopped living inside of the assholes of wooga squad and instead worked on reconnecting with jimin and all of the other members, maybe he could get the vmin/taekook/vminkook/other member relationships that he wants. I say this with love and not hate. Because if hobi,jin, or yoongi was the third member in Jeju, all of this discourse would not be had.

I didnt like wooga squad in 2016/2017, I still don't like them now. I think they're users honestly, but what do I know.

Also I think eunwoo is the only public figure that is friendly with multiple bts members. (Jimin, jungkook, and hobi). There's probably more but whatever.

And it's even more sus when JM says he hangs with Jungkook's friends but then not only does Tae gatekeep his friends from the members, I'm not seeing efforts to be friend his friends 😭😭😭😭

[mrs-monaghan]

Exhibit F) should I include this? Coz I'm not seeing the difference here

Do you know why ? Because there's no many difference in Jikook and yoonmin or any pair for that case. Jikook doesn't behave much differently than other JM ships, there are no lovesick couple moments except the ones Jikookers projected on Jkk

Oh my Gooooooooood. Fuck offffffffff. Where are these people fucking coming from??????

Because there's no many difference in Jikook or Yoonmin or any pair for that case

You know what, fine..you wanna play? Let's play

-There is only one GCFT. I don't remember JK featuring another member by themselves in his Golden closet films. EXCEPT JIMIN.

- While we are on the topic, Jimin has always gotten the most screentime in the GCFs. Here are the statistics for ALL the GCFs mathafaka

- Jimin never asked any other member for kisses except JK.

- JK has never called any other member baby except Jimin

- JK has never said to any other member that he wanted to have them. Only Jimin.

-Jimin has never given another member a hickey. Only JK.

-Jimin has never massaged another member's crotch with his foot, except JK

-Jimin has never footsied any other member while they were waiting for pizza except JK.

- Jimin has never held another member's hand secretly behind Suga except JK's.

- JK has never sucked another member's ear in the presence of 60K people but he did it to Jimin and Jimin only.

-Oh wait. When was the last time JK had to go adjust himself because of another member? Wait....the answer is never, bitch!

-Need i remind u that in Bon Voyage season 4 episode 6, when Vmin slept on the same bed JK was quick to make the bed

But when Vmon slept on that same bed JK couldn't be assed???

I'm sorry, did you see JK do this for any other member?? IDFTS!!!!

-Wait, what's that? JK has never spent 1 hour and 45 min reacting to another member apart from Jimin??? Right

-Wait wait. What's that? Riiiiiight. JK has never done this for any other member

-Sorry anon, refresh my memory. When JK was injured there was this one member who was calling the shots, who was being consulted, who was the only one being allowed in the room when JK needed privacy, who was it? I forget. Oh that's right. Jimin!

-Again anon, my memory is shit. Remind me who was the one and only member who flew for over 15 hours from Paris to SK just so he could make it for JK's birthday? Oh right. Jimin. Notice how he has never done this for any other member??? Interesting 🤔🤔🤔

-JK giving Jimin presents for his birthday but not other members. Did u happen to just conveniently forget that....or??? Because we heard it from the members themselves. That will be Festa 2017 btw, if u need reference.

We have over 10 years of content I👏🏾COULD👏🏾KEEP👏🏾GOING👏🏾ALL👏🏾MOTHER👏🏾FUCKING👏🏾DAY👏🏾BITCH!!!👏🏾

I made a whole ass list. Show me instances where Jikook did the above with other members, asshole. I'll wait.

[dearweirdme]

Would you mind if I genuinely ask something?

Why are Tae and Jimin considered as soulmates? Can anyone tell me some concrete examples with an explanation what does the word of soulmate means to you or anyone who sees them as soulmates? Because to my understanding of "soulmate", they really aren’t and it is OK. They have completely different characters, different friend circles both inside and outside of bts, different world views, different styles etc etc.

I have been following them since 2017, Tae and Yoongi as my biases. I appreciate all of them and their different personalities. As far as I have observed so far, I can say that there seems to be closer bandmates than Vmin. Tae is closer to JK and Hobi. Jimin is also closer to Hobi and Yoongi. I can remember many instances where i can see those are have closer bonds, like casually mentioning each other or know random details about each other lives etc. It is just apparent that they spend time together, you know? Because for example, I believe that my two biases Tae and Yoongi, are not that close either (and that is ok too. That doesn’t mean that I cannot appreciate their bond which I find very honest and touching.) but I think even Yoongi has a better understanding of Tae than Jimin in some aspects. Same with… say… Hobi and Jimin… they were roommates for years, Jimin literally worships Hobi, yet they are not the soulmates. Why? Just because vmin are the same age? Is that it? I am genuinely confused for years😅

Of course vmin love each other deeply, they know each other very well because they spend 10+ years in the same band, they went through a lot together so there is a bond which will not broken for life and that should be more than enough to appreciate their relationship. It should be enough, imo. But when one say "oh they are soulmates!", it is just not it. Sorry if this might sound harsh (that is really not my intention) but I think this soulmate thing is one of the army’s myths which starts to be harmful. Because it is unfair to both of them to expect something from them which isn’t there. Because when they do or say smt that doesn’t fit in that narrative, both get so much unfair criticism which simply wouldn’t happen if we can just let that soulmate thing go.

Hi anon!

I think this is a question only Tae and Jm can actually answer, but let me take a shot. I did use to struggle with this myself at one point, for the same reasons as you.

So, to my knowledge.. (and I wasn’t in fandom at the time, so this is stuff I read and it can be false.. this fandom is madness) Tae and Jm themselves answered they are soulmates at a fansign (a fan had them pick options to describe their friendship or something). They ofcourse sing about it in Friends, and I think have mentioned it more often. I think they have consistently talked about their friendship in a way that shows how important they are to each other. I understand that some see the fanservice value of this, but I think it’s very possible that they actually do feel this way about each other. I think bonds between BTS members are real and strong, I don’t think they lie about those.. I don’t think there’s a need to embellish Tae and Jm’s relationship with the title of soulmate, best friends would have sufficed to get the message across I think.

It does all depend on what you feel the definition of soulmate is. There is not really one definition to be found though. A search on google will rather give you several definitions and there are certainly those that I feel would fit Jm and Tae. In truth, to understand why Tae and Jm have mentioned being soulmates, you’d have to know their definition of the word.. or at least the most common use of the word in South Korea. It’s very possible to have more than one soulmate, it’s certainly special.. but you can for instance feel that someone is your romantic soulmate, and for someone else to be a platonic soulmate.

What I have found as some sort of common descriptive though.. is that soulmates are those who feel like there’s an automatic mutual understanding and support. A feeling of belonging perhaps, or of acceptance and safety. I do feel Tae and Jm have that. I think they know the other will always be there for them, no matter how often or how little they talk or meet. Them hugging at Jin’s release to me was very significant of how much they mean to each other.

Having said that, I agree that Tae seems closer to at least Jk. And I feel strongly that Jm’s bond is stronger to both Hobi and Yoongi. But I think if you let go of the idea that soulmates have to be closest, I think those things are all able to exist at the same time. I think when we talk about Jm and Tae being soulmates, it’s about the trust and understanding they have in/of each other due to having walked the same path, due to being same age (which allowed them to be more frank), and due to having witnessed what the other went through and understanding why they are who they are.

This is something that is debated about a lot I think. I have seen the topic come around several times already. I can see how some think it’s a construct. I mean, it is showbiz.. things are embellished a lot. I definitely think BH used it to their benefit, as they do with many things. But I think Tae and Jm’s strong friendship is undeniable, so the possibility of them actually seeing themselves as soulmates certainly is there imo.

[peachjagiya]

https://www.tumblr.com/peachjagiya/758042078814093312/but-i-dont-feel-like-anyone-actually-knows-who?source=share

''Memories and DVDs were filled with Jikook moments that even non shipper OT7 fans complained''

I also disagree with basically everything this anon said, but this part took my attention about something that I was thinking these days, and I wanted to share my perspective about this whole narrative that jkkrs and some armys have about how much jkk we get on official content, and bc of that it somehow proves how closer/real they are. I wish I could say more about the other stuff, but unfortunately it took me almost 4 years of being an army to really start believing in taekook, but I was an active army and I did consumed tkk content, and I believe I had a pretty neutral tl because I did not believe that tkk were together at the time and did follow ot7s and people that shipped all types of ship because I liked to consume fics and fan arts form all kind of ships from BTS. But this narrative of BTS dvds are basically all jikook content that some people try to push is kind of a lie. Yes they do have lot of moments on it, but I was an active army on twt since 2017, and what I remember what happened for like 2/3 years in a row is that one of the first persons to get the dvd and release content of it was Peaches, a disgusting jkkr tae anti by the way, which basically released only their moments or moments that involved only Jimin and Jungkook excluding the other boys, specially Tae. So what actually happened was that for a few hours in twt what we basically had of memories was all jkk content, and you have no idea of how armys had a really short attention span at the time. Memories 2019 for example was released while BTS was promoting dynamite and in the soop was being released, so lots of things were happening at the time and I remember some people did not even talked about the DVD after a few hours due to all content that we were getting and since it wasn`t the freshest new we had at the moment. Not to mention that in memories 2019 was the same dvd that if I'm not mistaken we got like not even 1 minute of tkk content inside of more than 700 minutes of content, so it wasn't even like a fair comparison when the only ship that could make more noise than jikook had like 2 moments for tkkrs to hype it up and when it took hours for us to get in the tl because the only person who bothered to upload tkk content got her dvd later than others when people were not even talking about it anymore. And to give an example of how a person who gets their hand on the content first can impact the tl, what also happened in memories 2021 is that one of the first persons to get it was a taekooker and tl at first was infested with taekook moments and photos, I even remember some tkkrs saying that maybe hybe were finally releasing more tkk contents again, and some army discussing that they seemed to be closer again. This also happened with magic shop in Japan which I remember one of the first moments we got on our tls was the "still number 1 without makeup" because a jpn tkkr got her hands on the dvd first than others. And just to clarify I don't remember army complaining about it anon, I actually remember that in memories 2021 lots of ''army's' and jikooker were desperate and making hit tweets about how peaches needed to get her dvd soon they could get jikook content on their tls, ignoring the fact that they were a whole Tae anti who dismissed him and tkk/vmin moments. My point is that sometimes these kind of narratives are not only created by hybe, but it can sometimes be created by fandom and big accounts themselves and create a whole herd effect of misinformation about who is closer than who, and that is complicated for us to state something when our tls can basically direct what it will tell us, specially when most won't have the patience or means to go through 500/700 minutes of paid content and will probably hype the most out there moments. And to finish just wanted to add but I'm from latam and also became an army in 2017 and at least here jkkrs have been huge since then, totally overtaking tkkrs, and I hear stories of them causing trouble here to armys and Tae way back from 2017

More thoughts.

[mimikoolover]

More controversial take, but I don’t even think vmins relationship is all that special. It’s based on being same age friends and Jimins babying of Tae but there is no real substance there, at least not on Jimins part. Army hype up the relationship to a ridiculous degree, obsessively so, but take away the affection and what is there? It’s much more obvious they didn’t spend much time together in chapter 2, and I really want people to know that’s okay and it’s normal. People drift and come back together and the love remains, but to me it highlighted how their bond doesn’t extend much outside of work, where as it is so obvious Jikook share life together.

I know the show isn’t a hard launch of Jikooks relationship (whatever it is) but it isn’t not a hard launch. I mean the enlistment should have done that, shocked people to the core but nope, so the show is it. To me it’s them saying we’re close, deal with it, in a way in which we haven’t seen before. Like jkks know they are but Army at large ignore it, and although they still do, they are showing us them. They said that themselves so I know that’s the point. You can see it so clearly it’s impossible to ignore, highlighted even more by Tae’s presence.

Blogger stormy answered an ask earlier about FS in the show and if it’s present, it’s the ot7 mentions. And whilst I don’t think those mentions are forced, that is so true imo. The notion of the ot7 bond is what keeps BTS going, but I think chapter 2 did give them a much needed break, and time apart, again absolutely normal. These are young men, they need space to live their own lives. But the mention of others was sweet, Jimin calling Joon seeing as he was the only huyng not in MS at the time. It’s probably like calling your dad lol. Joon being the only one who turned to see Golden live counts for something in terms of namkooks relationship. Still though, it proves my thoughts and I think Goldy has said this before, that Jimin is the glue that holds them together for the most part. They all love him lots and he’s their centre I think, he tends to do the most ot7 FS (not a negative). It’s no wonder sometimes JK gets hurt in the process (not always on purpose aka the teasing), but man’s got him some alone time with Jimin and book Tae is there. Must have been frustrating. And for him saying it was better with Tae there, he literally followed what Jimin said first. But that’s the ot7, I don’t actually think they were serious, and obviously wanted to be alone, as it was meant to be for the two of them.

I just love the intimacy and domesticity they have, it’s so natural to them, like breathing, I’ve been in a relationship for 8 years and it reminds me of myself and my partner, of when you’re in your own world (we have no kids so have that freedom to be just us), they leave no room for others, and if they do it’s minimal. Although busy chapter 2 will have allowed them time to be them, no group work or content, no members breathing down their throats or trying to separate them. Just time for them, and it shows.

thank you for your thoughts anon and I agree, the show highlighted jikook's 'chemistry' as even the teasers called it😂I thought the same about vmin for a while (few years lol). I don't necessarily trust that when I see people hype something up between members that it's because something is actually there. I think it's more that those people want vmin to be soulmates (forever) so they will keep insisting on that. which I can sympathise with because if after the military jikook were less close, it would hurt me a lot (not afraid to admit that lol) cause I'm invested in their (first of all) close friendship so I would be delulu about it for a while for sure. but in terms of dynamics, I think from around 2016/2017 is when the vminkook dynamic changed and it was when jikook became closer. I do think everyone in bts loves jimin the most though and like you said he is the glue in that respect. jimin always wanted jk tho even just in the sense that some people like having their person (even as just friends, there's two people at my work who def come as a duo of friends and one is a woman married with kids, the other is guy in a long term relationship with his boyfriend, not saying that jikook are this but just saying that as an example that certain people like to have a partner like that and I get this vibe from jikook that they like having a 'partner'). I think for tae and (probably lol) namjoon it's a bit more to come to terms with because they'd like to be jimin's fav (with tae I also get the vibe that he himself wants to be everyone's fav for the sake of that popularity and adoration in addition to him loving jimin). but from 2017 on when jungkook finally started choosing jimin was when the decline between the soulmates started imo (and jk and tae at the same time as well). and since then the situation within the group is that it's jikook + X given member. they come as a duo and the members know it and it is obvious in AYS.

I think ot7 is fanservice but I also think especially jimin and yoongi are very into the concept of ot7 forever so as much as fans are invested in it, I think the members are too (some more than others). it's fanservice sometimes but it's also I think reassurance for them too? but with jungkook in particular he was always ot7, never claiming to choose a fav which I think is bc he's the youngest and he is careful not to hurt any of their feelings. altho he clearly has a fav and it's jimin lol he never really wants the others to feel like he loves them less I think (and that's when we get the 'jimin is not the main model' dramatics even tho he clearly is lol).

[parkminijiminie]

Jimin took matters into his own hands and made the show happen. He made the effort (as always) and he mended things. I'm willing to bet that he is the one who thought of the buddy system and he is the one who fought for it. If it wasn't for jimin jikook wouldn't exist and that's something we need to acknowledge more. JK will complain about them not seeing each other but won't do anything about it, it was solely jimin's efforts that got them to where they are now. And that's jikook since day 1, jk pushing and im pulling, never the other way around. Kudos for jimin for keeping this relationship alive! I could never lol. to be the only one fighting for it is something i cannot understand but i respect him and his decisions.

I disagree, to be honest. I think prior to 2015, perhaps JM was more open about his affections, but it was still a mutual thing. Then, after 2015, JM withdrew, and JK made a lot more effort. 2017-2022, it was pretty much completely reciprocal, at least publicly, then late 2022-early 2023 I think it was JM who was "enforcing" the distance. He was busy and wasn't giving JK much of his time, if at all. Maybe JK wasn't proactive enough to reach out to him, but it didn't seem to bother JM that much. He wasn't the one who made pining vlives over JK, that we all know. JK's life didn't stop, of course. He still went out, met friends, maybe some people who were more than friends, but not enough JM, it seems. And that maybe made him bitter, but not completely absolved of all responsibility. Vmin kept in touch, even through video calls. Why couldn't they do it? It's got to be more than just some schedules not alligning, but whatever it was, the fact is that JM never took JK's offers to meet up seriously, and he was doing his own thing. He did still care a lot, though. If he didn't, he wouldn't have gone to NY. Ultimately, it was JM who made the big step to bridge the devide by taking the chance and going for it. He realized, just like JK, that if something wasn't being done, there could be some real damage to this relationship, so he jumped into action. He could do it because he was free, while for JK, it was just the beginning of the busiest time in the year. And JM did litterally the first month that he was actually free. It was literally the first chance he got. Why? Because he felt like JK deserved it, maybe he even felt like he owned it to JK and their relationship.

[taehyungfirst]

https://www.tumblr.com/cocamalfeta/747686083101409280/hi-i-was-wondering-whats-your-opinion-on-the-in?source=share

I was reading your asks and this made me pause. I am strictly a Tae solo but I like other members too. Earlier my go to content was bh cameras. Not smart ik, so I also assumed taekook was not very close because in that talk Jungkook looked awkward when he was giving that interview. It looked weird but I was like oh well. I was new to the fandom mind you. Took me a while but I started watching fan cams, old videos and it was hard to digest why such good friends before 2016/2017 I think became so awkward with each other. I did a little digging and I found bh camera shows and bombs don't even show them together and if they do it's brief or awkward. In fact earlier bv showed Tae to be a villian tbh. It boils my blood when I see bh treating Tae. This solo era literally confused me so much because I came to realise taekook were so much together and involved in each other activities and I thought they were just loosing their awkwardness. My theory was jihopekook were besties. I really don't understand why bh don't like to show taekook together on their cameras? And why taekook like different in bh cameras (aloof, awkward) than public cameras (very close and comfortable). What was the need to show both of them in that talk and with their shady subs? If they really wanted to show depression thing shouldn't Jimin be the ideal choice? It's in his nature to comfort people as well bh has assigned that role to him especially with maknae line. Vmin could have bonded because we have also seen changes in their friendship. I think it made more sense with all their soulmate bs. I just don't understand what bh made them show taekook (one of the most popular duo) awkward rather than capitalising them. Because of their ass hattery Tae gets dragged everytime he shows even an ounce of connection to Jungkook.

Sorry for the long rant. Just been seeing Tae getting dragged on x due to some nonsense and it renews my hate for bh.

Hi! I hope my reply made you pause in a positive way and not in a negative one.

I’m gonna start saying “And why taekook like different in bh cameras (aloof, awkward) than public cameras (very close and comfortable).” that I don’t agree with this part because to me they don’t act awkward on camera, idk if it’s because I’ve been in the fandom for years but I think they act very normally, but the subs, the cuts, the context could lead to misunderstandings.

I think that they just showed that talk to grasp an opportunity, because everyone noticed the lack of footage and bh used that occasion to say “look it’s because they weren’t close before” when it’s really not true, like before ITS, in an award ceremony Tae leaned on Jk because he was tired (I think everyone knows what clip I’m talking about). I used this as an example, but I could say million other things that happened in 2020 to show that the “awkward duo” is a narrative pushed by bh and cult freaks.

[giventae]

My fics masterlist

Vmin 🐻🐥

Collar

rated: Explicit

alternate universe - modern setting

omegaverse

hybrid taehyung/human jimin

multi-chaptered (completed)

smut/fluff/angst

i hate you (to the moon and back)

rated: Explicit

alternate universe - high school football

enemies to lovers

rich jimin/poor taehyung

multi-chaptered (completed)

smut/fluff/angst

Sk8er boi

rated: Explicit

alternate universe - high school

ballerino jimin/skater boy taehyung

grumpy x sunshine

multi-chaptered (ongoing)

smut/fluff/angst

But...he's a cheerleader!

rated: Explicit

alternate universe - university

cheerleader Taehyung/football player Jimin

enemies to lovers

multi-chaptered (completed)

smut/fluff/angst

Honeymoon in Hawaii (Explicit)

rated: Explicit

canon compliant

2017 Hawaii Bon Voyage

best friends to lovers

one-shot

fluff/smut

Enigma

rated: Explicit

royalty / omegaverse au

arranged marriage

enemies to lovers

multi-chaptered (ongoing)

smut/fluff/angst

It's raining panties

rated: Explicit

omegaverse au

alpha Taehyung, omega Jimin

neighbors

mutual pining

fluff, heavy smut

One of your girls

rated: Explicit

college/university au

jock Taehyung, cheerleader Jimin

one night stand to fwb to lovers

smut, fluff, pinch of angst

Yoonjin 🐹🐱

I'm with you

rated: Explicit

zombie apocalypse au

friends to lovers

enemies to lovers

one shot

smut and fluff and angst

If you can't stand him, bend him over

rated: Explicit

yoonjin

college/university au

academic rivals

one-shot

pure smut (with a pinch of fluff)

You're my baby

rated: Explicit

yoonjin

canon compliant

bon voyage season 2

whipped boyfriends yoonjin

one-shot

smut and fluff

[sizzlingpatrolfox]

this is obviously just my speculation but jk is so moody and volatile while jimin is so sensitive. when two ppl like that are close the moody person always ends up hurting the sensitive one even if it isnt their intention (speaking from personal experience). i think it’s why he stopped being frnds with taehyung as well being close with ppl who casually hurt ur feelings really does a number on u. plus what’s the point of being a good friend to someone who’s only there for u when it’s convenient. another thing i think about is how jimin always wants to improve himself he doesnt just accept that he cant change his negative traits but jungkook stays the same because he probably wouldnt see the point in changing, someone like jimin would make someone like jungkook uncomfortable that they arent doing anything to improve themselves and the advise from jimin might just sound like high and mighty lectures to him. like we know as a fact jimin cuts off ppl who have negative energy so yeah….

I think Jimin and Taehyung has been dead way before 2023. I never saw it. I still don't get what were the reasons for people to believe they were so inseparable. I've been trying since 2017 to figure out what do people see in vmin, so I'm not even phased by current events.

There's two things I've always noticed and talked about: 1) that the only reason vmin ever got along was because they were in the same group, but that they would've never been friends outside of that. 2) that Jungkook and Taehyung are way more similar and like.. match~~ with each other more than vmin ever did.

Lo and behold..

You don't have to solely rely on personal experience either, because there's past evidence of that in jikook too. I mean, Jimin being so surprised that Jungkook would say something nice to him that he thought he was only saying it to make up for doing something bad.

So, yeah. More or less, I agree with what you said.

[stormblessed95]

Hi Stormy~ I'm a relatively new army, and I've been digging through old stuffs for the past few months. Recently I find some of the lives quite enjoyable, but there are so many of them and most are quite long. Do you have some favorite moments of the members' lives that are definitely worth checking out?

To give some examples here are some of my favorite moments (just very simple things):

JK singing, watching Jimin contents, giving song recommendations

Hobi walking in the park

Jin playing guitar with Jimin singing in eat Jin (2017/04/23)

Jimin freestyle dancing in this year's Hobi birthday live

Jimin building home for marimo Suga

Btw, I know it's really late to say this, but I really love RM's Indigo album. I didn't enjoy rap music before getting into BTS, so I didn't check out the album earlier other than knowing the cover arts and photoshoots are beautiful. I randomly came across “Lonely” and fell in love with the whole album. It's really different from what I originally imagined. It really is an album worth keeping for decades.

I love your blog and your in-depth posts! Thank you~

Hi baby army! You picked great vlives as ones you really enjoy!

Some of my personal favorites include the Agust D D2 vlive. Honestly, one of my favorites just to listen to this man talk at me

The Vminkook LA live, there were 3 parts lol

Jungkooks karaoke vlives! (Any and all of them!)

Hope on the Street ft Vmin

And ft Jungkook

The vhopeminkook chaos!

Namjoons birthday party live lol

JinKiMin Dance Party lol

When Jikook were super open and emotional about how they had been feeling in 2018 with us. Just really a great live/log for them

Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head at least! Hope you enjoy them too if you haven't seen some of them yet!

[winterflwers]

Vmin 🤝 Dewey and Webby

Inventing soulmates

[not-goldy]

hey goldy 👋🏻

since you've been in the fandom for a while, do you see an increase of support for jikook as a ship?

they're both so loved individually and they've got so much chemistry going on, it's hard to grasp why on earth there's so many tkkrs to someone who's fairly new to the bangtan world

2014 is a very long time isn't it

Time just flies by

To me, I'd say they hit a plateau probably because they aren't as active as before

2019 was a peak following 2017

See the thing is jikook really wasn't a thing back then. I don't even recall them being talked off as a duo like they are now. I shipped yoonmin and vmin way before clocking jikook.

You have a lot of content to binge as a newbie these days but it wasn't the case back then we didn't have a lot of content and the boys had to fill in the gaps with their own content such as tweets vlogs etc plus BTS wasn't as big as they are now.

But Jungkook was dare I say the most popular member because he was the Maknae and next was V suga and Namjoon.

Tae Kook were these two goofy unhinged duo and Suga was always shipping himself with Jimin for some reason. Most people who shipped Tae Kook also shipped yoonmin till jikook gradually gained prominence as a duo.

Okay that's a lot of words I keep losing track of my thoughts

[heybaetae]

tag game catch-up :)

i've been tagged by @jkvjimin, @btsiu, and @kimtaegis in some fun tag games the past few days, but haven't had the time to participate until now, so i'm gonna consolidate them all into one post!

7 questions to get to know me better

last song: backseat serenade by all time low

favourite colour: neon green

last film/show: barry on HBO

sweet/savoury/spicy: savoury

last thing i googled: i googled the HFPA randomly at 3am last night lol

relationship status: single for life probably

current obsessions: dan and phil's sim series (i'm rewatching it all in reverse....idk why), videos about cool kitchen gadgets, and jeopardy

fave k-pop group tag

who is your favourite k-pop group? ↳ bts

which member sparked your interest first? ↳ j-hope! he captured my attention the first time i watched them in an interview, so i gravitated towards him the most in the beginning.

who was your first bias? ↳ naturally, it was hobi :)

who is your current bias? ↳ taehyung (ult), jimin, and jungkook

what makes them your current bias(es)? ↳ mostly everything stemmed from their individual stage presence first, then the more i got to know them as people, it solidified things. so in addition to hobi in the very beginning, jimin and jungkook also caught my eye when boy with luv came out. i tweeted a screenshot from their SNL performance and said "these specific three right here..." and my friend, who was a more seasoned army at the time, replied and told me they were the dance line! so that made sense why they stood out to me in that choreo. when dynamite came out the following year, taehyung (who had admittedly been under my radar somehow) completely knocked me off my feet and kinda knocked hobi down from my ult spot in the process, though i still consider hobi the entire reason i ever gave bts a real chance following my "casual fan" era. jimin and jungkook remained in my top 3 even though i didn't immediately realize i had emotionally locked in on the "maknae line" because i didn't learn more about their ages and "lines" until a little later. it just played out that way gradually. vmin(hope!!!)kook, my beloved.

who is your bias wrecker? ↳ jungkook and yoongi

which members are you currently obsessing over that aren't your bias/bias wrecker? ↳ jin because he's coming home so soon and it's getting me sooo excited.

when did you first discover this group? ↳ i discovered them properly in 2018 when they were on the tonight show for the first time, but i'd heard of them as early as 2017 when they broke out in the U.S.

have you ever been to one of their concerts? ↳ yes, 4 ptd shows + 1 d-day show.

what are some of your favorite songs by the group? ↳ mikrokosmos, lights, friends, anpanman, best of me, and dis-ease!

february receiptify

i don't think i listened to spotify much this month, but i spent all day yesterday listening to greyson chance, niall horan, and harry styles music that i hadn't listened to in a long time so it naturally took over the algorithm lol

consider yourself tagged if you see this and wanna do it!

[dearweirdme]

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This anon’s post about how people’s relationship evolve for better or for worse makes alot of sense to mefor Vmin, jikook and Taekook. This is a take I don’t particularly think you or many other taekookers would agree with but it’s always been simple for me to read and maybe that’s because I tend to apply real life situations when I think of the members and their dynamics.

I don’t think Vmin was a narrative pushed by the company to sell Jimin as someone mentioned in the replies because anyone who has looked into Vmin’s history would know that those two were/are really close. Even back in the day, the members would always choose them as the closest not even taekook whom most fans thought were the closest when they were rookies. I think Jimin and Tae have that kind of a friendship where they don’t talk to each other all the time and don’t see each other all the time but when ever they need each other they can be sure that the other will be there. I think they fought alot too and had a good amount of misunderstandings especially when they were younger but all those fights just made their bond stronger. Are they always each other’s go to now? Not necessarily and I think things changed a little bit after Tae met and got closer to wooga than some of the members because it seems like years ago, Tae didn’t really hang out with the members out of work and I remember during seasons greeting 2022 when the members were asked what they would do for each other for the new year and Tae said he would try to spend more time with the members. I think before that he choose to hang out more with wooga whenever he got a break than hanging out with the other members. Jimin and Tae don’t seem that close these days but I think that is just growth. As time passes in our lives, we get closer to some people and more distant from others in certain ways but in Vmin’s case, I feel like they have reached that kind of friendship level where their bond is forever regardless of how much they talk or see each other.

As for taekook, I honestly think there was a time when they actually grew a little distant and just like with Jimin and Tae, I think it happened when Tae got closer to wooga and also during those times when it seemed like Tae was going through depression or something (not trying to diagnose). I know that during those moments we sometimes still saw taekook looking physically close but I feel like that was because they didn’t have any issues with each other and were still very good friends but just not as close as they used to be. I’ve been catching up on old content since I am kinda new to the fandom (2021) and I can see that within the period 2017-2021 it seemed like Jk was always around Jimin instead of Tae and I am not talking just about when we saw them on bighit content. I remember when Hobi was doing a solo shoot for one of his projects back in 2018/2019 and all the members came to visit and Jikook were together. Even when RM also had a solo shoot for Mono (i think) and the members went to visit him, Jikook were together still while tae came and left alone both times. Then there was all the shared rides together even after all the members left the dorm in 2019 and I don’t believe for second that bighit made Jimin and Jungkook ride together. Don’t know how true this information is but I saw some people on twitter say that the reason Jimin and Jungkook still shared a car after they all moved out of the dorm in 2019, until mid 2021 was because Jk also had an apartment in the Nine one, the same building where RM and Jimin currently live and in 2021 all the residents who lived there on rent were required to either purchase the property or move out, so RM and Jimin bought their apartments but Jk moved out because he had plans to build his own house. So Jk and Jimin shared a car then because they lived in Nine one and then the car rides stopped when Jk moved out around mid 2021 (which was when we found out that Jimin had purchased an apartment there) and went into that apartment which the company rented for him and that’s why he has the furniture from the old dorm because he didn’t intend to be there for too long. So i feel like during these periods, Tae and Jk were not as close as we saw them in chapter two but since they had talked and promised to work on their friendship, I think they both made a concious decision to do that and that’s why we all saw a clear shift in their friendship after they had that talk in 2020 and things just got better and better.

This wasn’t always clear to me but after I caught up on a lot of old content, I feel like alot of things started to make a little more sense because sometimes we don’t realize how little time it takes for relationships in life to change and I feel like I could understand it better because I experienced it in my own life. I had a bestfriend I used to talk to on the phone every day for about 5 years but I went through a very traumatic experience in my life last year which made me shut everyone out. My bestfriend and I didn’t talk for about a month and ever since then, things have never been the same. It was so shocking to me how just a month before that, she was someone I couldn’t go one day without talking to but these days we go weeks even months without talking to each other and all this changes happened in a just a month. My friend and I never fought or argued with each other but we have gotten so distant. When we do see each other, we are still very affectionate with each other and will sit close to each other and interact because it still feels familiar but that emotional bond just isn’t there as it used to be anymore. That is what I think happened to taekook but the good thing is that, they both were willing to work on bridging that gap that was forming in their relationship.

As for Jikook, I don’t think they were as close in the solo era as they used to be. I think they were on very different wavelengths and probably needed other people more than they needed each other at that time but it seems like around the end of the year, they were back to normal. Taekook seem closer than they have ever been before. I think things like these are pretty normal in human relationships. Relationships evolve and change for good or for bad over time and no time is too short for things to change drastically. I can attest to this because I saw my 5 year long relationship with my bestfriend change drastically in just a month. I know you probably wouldn’t agree with me but this is how I read vminkook’s friendship.

Hi anon!

I am so sorry to hear about you going through something traumatic. I hope you are well now, or that you are on your way to being well in the future. None of my words will be meant to invalidate your experience, so please take this as another point of view solely.

I too use real life experience to make sense of what I see, I think many of us do and I think it would be nice if that’s something you will consider when reading my blog. Applying real life experiences is really helpful, but at the same time.. it can also make us project. So you have to take a bit of distance I think and take not only your own life experiences, but those of the people around you as well. A bigger sample will make it easier to test your own experiences against those of others and decide whether your experience is an outlier or something that’s common.

I don’t want to invalidate your own experience, but at the same time.. my life experiences and what I know of how people interact in general tell me with fair certainty that Tae and Jk were never distant. I too recognize certain behaviors, and my feelings about those are probably just as strong as yours.

Had Tae and Jk actually had a problem similar to you and your friend, it would have been cruel to air that talk publicly (and sure, i do think BH capable of cruelty). I think it unlikely that Tae and Jk went on all these years, wanting to be close.. feeling physically close and not working out the ‘awkwardness’ between them one way or another. Even if Tae spent so much time with Wooga.. he still would have had so much time with Jk. From what I know of life, this doesn’t make sense.

On top of all that there’s just so much that to me points to them having been fine.

Edit:

I just realized my initial reply was only about Taekook. I think it actually shows how weird the ITS talk was if you compare how you feel Tae and Jm also were less close. Because why did they not need to work things out publicly? They are the soulmates even. Why was them drifting apart leas of a big deal?

[peachjagiya]

“But I don't feel like anyone actually knows who started bitching first? It's just an endless unhinged cycle of vitriol.”

I’m going to attempt to answer this as logically and objectively as I possibly can. In my opinion, taekookers started bitching first, wait, wait let me explain.

So taekook is a ship that has been alive and popular since 2013 and taekookers are arguably the largest amount of shippers in the fandom and have always been. Jikook is a ship that started gaining some popularity in 2017, not saying that Jikook didn’t exist before 2017 but it was pretty much a ship like Jinmin. That ship that very few people care about as other ships like taekook, yoonmin, Vmin, namjin and even Sope were way more popular than Jikook before 2017. I wasn’t in the fandom in 2015 but I noticed that some taekookers had always had an issue with Jimin way before Jikook as a ship was a thing and this is because some people didn’t like the way he would “cling” to Jk or make Jk “uncomfortable” so because of that, Taekookers and some Jk biased fans weren’t his biggest fans since the beginning and they said some pretty nasty things about him but the hate was very minimal at the time since the fandom then had little to no tolerance for hate against any members so those who wanted to had to do it in hiding or had to be sly with it. There were no Jikookers to hate on Taehyung but there were taekookers to hate on Jimin for clinging to Jk and coming in between Taekook or making Jk uncomfortable. Tae did get alot of hate but that wasn’t from Jikookers because there were almost no jikookers and even the few who probably saw something in jikook were not large in number enough to gain anyone’s attention. Most of the hate Tae got was from other fandoms like exols, VIPs and solos.

Once Jikook started gaining popularity in 2017 and taekookers saw a decline in taekook content, and then when Taekook-Lives created a youtube channel in 2017 and started with the theories of Jikook as a ship hiding taekook, many taekookers bought into it. If you go on Youtube and watch taekook-lives videos, you would realize that she single handedly spread that narrative around that Jikook was a cover for taekook that bighit had created and so many gullible taekookers believed it because they couldn’t understand why Jikook suddenly became a thing. At first, most taekookers didn’t hate Jimin, they actually liked him and even when he would do stuff with Jk or interact with him in ways some people thought was inappropriate, they’d convince themselves that he was protecting Jk and Tae but some people started feeling like he was doing too much for someone who was “protecting” his friends relationship so some taekookers started calling him a bad friend to Tae or accusing him of trying to come inbetween Tae and Jk’s relationship. Mind you at that point, Jikook was just gaining popularity so most jikookers were still trying to learn about Jikook so had little to no time to go hating on Tae and they had very little reason to as they were getting a shit ton of Jikook content both from the company and jikook themselves. Memories and DVDs were filled with Jikook moments that even non shipper OT7 fans complained, Jimin and Jungkook were spotted out and about outside of work regularly, so Jikookers were in heaven. As time went on, the hate on Jimin from taekookers only grew as taekookers kept calling Jimin and Jungkook’s bond fanservice and claiming that their interactions weren’t genuine, taekookers started being very creative in their hate towards Jimin as they believed that he was the reason why they weren’t getting their well deserved taekook moments, they started calling him a leech, an abuser, a bad friend, you can name the rest. There were a few jikookers who had an issue with Tae too at some point, like everytime Tae would interact with Jk, they’ll make shady remarks about him throwing himself at Jk and this is because they believed that Jk was Jimin’s so Tae had no right to be that touchy or affectionate with Jimin’s man and this was the exact issue taekookers had too it’s just that taekookers have always been more in number so ofcourse, their hate would make more noise than the few Jikookers who had anything to say.

As time went on and the hate towards Jimin only grew and after Jimin received his second death threat in 2018 which he personally addressed, with the first one being in 2017, the hate against Tae from jikookers grew because Jikookers believed that both death threats were from taekookers even though till this day it is still unclear if those were actually from taekookers or from fans of other groups, so in a bid to retaliate, Jikookers sent death threats to Tae too in 2018, after Jimin’s death threats were addressed at a press conference in May 2018. From then onward, it just became an endless cycle of vitriol with jikookers throwing hate at Tae and Taekookers throwing hate at Jimin. It should be noted that taekookers have always been considered the worst shippers in kpop and I don’t completely disagree with this because Taekookers were indeed nasty during those years when they saw a drastic decline in Taekook content and drastic increase in jikook. They were used to seeing taekook alot so for them to suddenly start seeing taekook less and feeling like taekook were being separated on cam while jikook kept being the focus of the cam, that made them go crazy and they directed this hate towards Jimin and even his family. Tae’s grandma had always been a topic of hate towards him but that was from exols and Vips mostly but Jikookers gradually joined the train after taekookers made nasty remarks about Jimin’s family.

I feel like the same thing happened with jikookers in chapter two. Them not seeing Jikook interact at all and seeing so much taekook in chapter two drove them crazy and they directed that hate towards Tae. Some jikookers had always been toxic and hateful but honestly speaking, most of them were on the more level headed side until a few years b4 the solo era. The solo era drove them crazy and they spared no time in dragging Tae by his lashes every single chance they got.

Newer taekookers would normally see jikookers as the main issue probably because they came at a time when Jikookers had lost it but the bitter truth is that, Taekookers started this bitter war. Being starved of taekook content drove taekookers to becoming monsters that hated on Jimin and Jikook’s friendship. Jikookers got tired of jimin getting hated on and of seeing Jimin and Jungkook’s “relationship” being invalidated or called fanservice by the large amount of taekookers so they started fighting back but I think jikookers have become greater monsters than taekookers.

As I said, I wasn’t here in 2015 (joined the fandom in 2017) and knew very little about shipping but every single time I saw a post about taekookers on reddit or twitter, they were being called the cancer of the fandom and I don’t think this was for nothing. Barely anyone had anything bad to say about Jikookers then because they were new and quite frankly didn’t cause any trouble and even if some of them did, their number was too small for anyone to even notice. The first shippers in kpop to be called a cult were taekookers because the conspiracy theories were too much. Almost all taekookers firmly believed that the company created Jikook to hide taekook and this belief was spread far and wide with a good amount of taekookers still believing in that theory till this day. Taekookers believe that the company hides taekook by cutting their moments from official content. Many still believe this till today. Some taekookers even believed that Jimin made a deal with the company to separate taekook so he could get Jk for himself since he had always wanted Jk but Jk rejected him for tae. Some of these things could seem very ridiculous now but trust me, these theories were very popular years ago. If you don’t believe me, go on Taekook-Lives Youtube channel watch her videos. She created her youtube channel a few days after Jk posted GCF in Tokyo and many of these conspiracy theories that tons of taekookers believe in today started from her. She was the OG analyzer always “catching” things and showing people how much the company “cut” taekook moments and people who were gullible and looking for answers to make sense of things they couldn’t understand took her words as gospel and spread all those theories far and wide.

Truth is that at this point, no one really cares who started this mess because both Jikookers and taekookers have taken their hate towards Jimin and Tae to unthinkable lengths and in a court of law, no one would really care who started things but just for those who are interested in knowing a little bit of how this started, this is it. I know that so many people would want to argue with this because ofcourse no one wants to take the blame as the ones who started it but there is alot of documented proof and threads on Reddit from years ago showing how this whole things unfolded. Another thing is Youtube videos and comments which thankfully are dated so a quick scan over those would show anyone who is interested to know, how this whole mess came about and the truth is, taekookers started it by hating on Jimin constantly and invalidating Jimin and Jungkook’s friendship by calling it fanservice, just because they couldn’t deal with the fact that they were getting way too much Jikook content and way too little taekook. Anyone who says Jikookers started this isn’t being objective because there was literally no reason for them to start anything when they barely even existed in taekook prime years.

I expect some people to come with pushbacks or other ways trying to prove that Jikookers started this but as I said, there is documented proof of how this whole things evolved over the years for anyone who is interested and you can find it on reddit. (Don’t even know how people have the time to put all those things together ). The thing about the past and history is that, people in the future never remember it exactly as it happened in the past and people can also always add and remove what they want from it and make what they want to be true, true. I just think it’s pretty sad that things have come to this and unfortunately, Tae and Jimin have to get shit from both of the shippers.

Oh thank you for the analysis. Because I'm new, I'm just posting this for a potential explanation. Others may have different perspectives.

Interestingly, there were assertions recently from a Jikooker who said Taekook had never really existed until 2023! It never fails to baffle me how the same data can result in a vastly different conclusion.

Thanks anon 💜