#vedic vs tropical astrology

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WHAT IS VEDIC ASTROLOGY? – THE ORIGINS OF VEDIC ASTROLOGY

What is Vedic Astrology? it also known as Jyotish, is an ancient system of astrology that originated in India over 5,000 years ago. It is a form of astrology that emphasizes the connection between the individual and the cosmos, and the influence of the planets and stars on our lives. Vedic Astrology is based on the Sidereal Zodiac, which takes into account the position of the planets and stars at the time of an individual’s birth. This system is also deeply rooted in Hinduism, with many of its practices and beliefs being closely tied to Vedic texts and teachings. Vedic Astrology is unique in its approach, as it not only provides insights into an individual’s personality and life path but also offers guidance on how to navigate life’s challenges and achieve success and fulfillment. Over the centuries, Vedic Astrology has continued to evolve and adapt to modern times, making it a valuable tool for those seeking spiritual guidance and insight into their lives.

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Tropical vs Sidereal astrology

EDIT: UPON REFLECTION I'VE REALISED THAT I NEED TO BE MORE CLEAR WITH WHAT IM COMPARING HERE - IT IS NOT ABOUT VEDIC ASTROLOGY AS A WHOLE BUT THE SIDEREAL SYSTEM (WHICH IS ALMOST ENTIRELY SOLELY USED BY VEDIC ASTROLOGERS ONLY).

In my first post, I spoke a bit on how astrology works scientifically, and therefore why I use the tropical system. This post will go a little further into why, but I will re-paste the relevant parts from my first part here.

First, however, I would like to make it clear that when I am referring to Vedic astrology, I am referring to the common understanding of vedic astrology today which is the system which uses sidereal positioning. But Vedic astrology DOES NOT necessarily equal Sidereal. There are Vedic astrologers (though few, and will be expanded upon later) which use the tropical system. I am, however, using this post to explain why I do not use the Sidereal system. I am simply not proficient enough to talk about Vedic techniques and principles as understood removed from its popular Sidereal understanding. So to reiterate, this is not a post against Vedic techniques or Vedas and such, but why I do not follow how it is commonly perceived and practised today.

Sidereal vs Tropical rundown

✎ Sidereal astrology accounts for the precession of the equinoxes, i.e. it relies on where the actual constellations have moved to from our perspective on earth. If you use a sky map app and point it to the sky it will tell you the exact constellation above, that is sidereal positioning.

✎ Tropical astrology does not do this, it uses the divison of the ecliptic exactly how it was thousands of years ago of where the sun was at the vernal equinox - Aries. It is thus based on the seasons.

The science behind astrology - why constellations do not matter (excerpt form my main post):

: ̗̀➛ Astrology has NOTHING to do with the physical constellations. Astrology is based on the signs on the ecliptic (the path of the sun amongst the constellations, which is the plane of the earth's orbit).

: ̗̀➛ The equator has 15 constellations, and the ecliptic has 13. So why do we have 12 zodiac signs? This is because babylonians divided the ecliptic into 12 equal segments of 30 degrees each thousands of years ago. The ecliptic was divided into SIGNS. 12 constellations were just used to identify where in the sky each sign would be, at the time for ease of astronomical mapping/calculation - it is merely symbolic. This is why Opphiuchus is not the 13th Zodiac SIGN, although it is a constellation.

: ̗̀➛ Another reason why they are not based off the physical constellations is because the actual size of the constellations vary massively in size. Below is a representation of this:

: ̗̀➛ As you can see, Virgo, for instance is huge, and on a literal view overlaps into the next segment because the constellations do not all equally fit a 30 degree division. Yet, we do not give scorpio like 5 days for its season, because the physical constellation does not dictate anything meaningful.

This gives us the tropical zodiac, which is to do with the earth's seasons:

: ̗̀➛ The solstices are therefore reference points for Capricorn and Cancer (tropic of capricorn and tropic of cancer), not the constellations themselves. Accordingly, the spring equinox is marked by Aries (with the sun entering the segment of Aries at 0 degrees until 29), and the autumn equinox by Libra. Even though in the Southern Hemisphere, the sun entering Aries is an autumnal equinox, ithe fact remains it is still about the seasons (i.e. what the sun does, maintaining its universal application).

: ̗̀➛ The precession of the equinoxes, are therefore irrelevant to astrology (and this is why vedic/sidereal is, in my opinion inaccurate). The slow change of the direction of the earth's axial tilt, over around 26000 years, cause a precession of the equinoxes. This means, the segment of the sky that used to be identified by the Aries constellation from the earth's position at the time, is now looking at Pisces. But as we know, astrology has nothing to do with the physical location of the constellations. Vedic astrologers use sidereal positioning, aka taking into account the precession of the equinoxes, yet they still divide the ecliptic in the same way. This causes problems, leading to many branches in vedic because few agree on where aries actually even starts.

The problems with Sidereal positioning - its all about the sun!

✣ As described in my first post ( i'd really recommend u read it ngl lol), astrology is symbolic, and its entire foundation is based off the sun. It is the sun which gives us life -> therefore it represents our vitality, creativity, identity etc (as opposed to the rising sign which is our personality, who we are, etc and filtered through our chart ruler). Everything comes back down to this SOLAR-based system -> equinox to equinox. Nothing to do with the constellations.

✣ Moreover, the signs are grouped into the 3 modalities, which all represent the suns status (symbolic significations are interpretated separately depending on the sign but generally the groups represents what the sun is doing). The sign which it currently objectively is passing through bears no significance. E.g:

-> Aries, Libra, Cancer, Capricon = Cardinal = sun is crossing the equator when crossing Aries or Libra. When crossing cancer the sun is moving from setting north to south, and vice versa when going through Capricorn. Moving forward, fresh change. -> Taurus, Scorpio, Leo, Aquarius = Fixed = sun is in the middle of the season it is in, it is 'fixed' and maintaining. -> Gemini, Sagittarius, Virgo, Pisces = Mutable = sun is transforming by going through the end of its season, undoing and release before the next season starts with the cardinal signs.

✣ Because the position of the constellation depends on where on earth you view it from, there is no obejctive consensus on where Aries even starts. This had led to varying branches of sidereal astrology such as Lahiri, Raman, Krishnamurti Paddhati, and some western takes on Sidereal positioning like Fagan-Bradley. These branches are symptomatic of being overly pedantic by concentrating on the constellations themselves.

✣ Finally, Vic Di Cara is a famous and rare example of a modern day Vedic astrologer who uses the tropical system. Seems blasphemous, but he delves into some irrefutable points on ancient India's use of the tropical system which I will paste below but I really encourage you to read it. Tldr it is still about the sun (surprise suprise):

"The foundational texts of Indian Astrology unanimously and explicitly define the zodiac based on solstices and equinoxes (i.e. tropical). On the other hand, they also unanimously define the nakshatra based on stars (i.e. sidereal). The current difference between the two - the solstices (ayana) and their marker stars - is described as "ayanamsha." Problem: For many centuries Indian astrologers have applied ayanāṁśa to both the nakshatra and the zodiac - fuseing the two and divorcing the zodiac from its tropical anchors. Solution: Reform... which requires patience, clarity, contemplation and humility from all parties."

CRUCIALLY:

I hope this cleared up any confusions on sidereal vs tropical astrology, and has helped informed your decision on choosing which system to use! I will advise, though, not to mix the systems. This is a common belief for good reason; you would not mix two different languages in a sentence.

[opalblade]

06 JUNE 24.

𓂀 ASTRO OBSERVATIONS .

☆ TROPICAL.

- DAY AND NIGHT CHARTS ARE A NICE DETAIL TO TAKE NOTE OF WHEN READING CHARTS

day charts: sun is in 7h-12h -> sun is better, jupiter is the stronger benefic, saturn is not as malefic.

night charts: sun from 1h-6h -> moon is better, venus is the stronger benefic, mars is not as malefic.

- THE MC IS THE HEIGHT OF THE CHART AND OPPOSITE THE IC, SO INDICATES WHERE YOU'RE GOING AS A PERSON IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT. IT'S NOT JUST YOUR CAREER / YOUR IMAGE.

my source? analysing birth charts and mc persona charts

- 11H AND INCOME.

wherever the 11H ruler is and planets inside the 11H denote what you will make money from in your career

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☆ TROPICAL AND VEDIC.

- SATURN EXALTATION AND FALL EXPLAINED.

:: saw this on twitter and just... sigh

saturn does WORSE in aries for those reasons. being all hotheaded and quick to move and start something vs taking it slow, planning, putting in the work and laying all the appropriate foundations

saturn does better in libra since it's a cardinal air venusian sign and so yes it sits and ponders, creates all the necessary structures, considers both sides (pros and cons etc)

if we think abt saturn as a judge, would u rather want the hot-headed judge or the diplomatic, fair judge? the one who makes a decision quickly or the one who may take too long, but delivers a fairer decision?

just because saturn likes a sign doesn't make the sign bad!!! it means it does BETTER in the sign.

- TROPICAL VENUSIANS ARE SIDEREAL MARTIANS.

while this is seemingly incompatible and contradictory, venus historically ruled over war (aries) and the underworld (scorpio) in several ancient mythologies.

- LEO RULES FAME AND OBSESSION.

as it's fixed fire, leo rules over both fame and obsession. we see famous people dealing with obsessed fans and haters all the time. think of a flame that just keeps on burning and burning.

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☆ VEDIC.

- SWATI + MRIGASHIRA DOLL BEAUTY.

left: swati asc + mrigashira moon / right: mrigashira sun + swati asc

- YOU'RE ATTRACTED TO PEOPLE WITH THE SAME DARAKARAKA AS YOU.

the vastttt majority of people in an astrology discord i am apart of have mars darakaraka (including myself)

- JUPITERIAN APPEARANCE.

jupiter individuals have large eyelid space, which makes sense given jupiter's expansive quality. below are some celeb examples, but i have also seen this with people irl.

kehlani - punarvasu asc, kali uchis - punarvasu sun, ice spice - vishakha moon

NSFW - ASHLESHA AND BONDAGE.

ashlesha is represented by the coiled serpent and means 'embrace' / 'entwine' + alexa demie's fairytales photoshoot incorporated a lot of bondage imagery

alexa demie - ashlesha ascendant

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© 2024 opalblade. do not copy, repost, or translate my works to any other platforms.

[martian-astro10]

Do you all remember that meme I shared which was like, tropical vs sidereal and the sidereal guy was like- your venus is very close to the sun so your marriage will be bad and blah blah....??

So I was reading this vedic astrology book in which this guy wrote "Sun conjunct Venus under 10 degrees is a sign that you can become a celebrity and gain fame, and you will notice that many celebrities have this (which they do) but because Venus is the planet of marriage, it being burned because of the Sun will cause issues in married life and that's why so many celebrities have a bad and unfulfilling marriage (which is also true)" and I know that was a meme but it IS true, this is the most noticeable in the charts of actors, singers and all. that meme was a little exaggerated but it holds true. Also, it's even more valid cuz I have a list of all celebrities who are happily married and none of them have sun conjunct venus. That's why people with sun conjunct mercury suck at communication, biggest ghosters to ever exist.

Also, Lisa of blackpink has both Venus and Saturn in Pisces in combustion and you can see the results yourself, and this is happening despite Venus being exalted.

I feel like old indian astrologers are such idiots but if you actually read a vedic astrology book by a GOOD author, then you'll realise why so many western astrologers end up supporting vedic, I feel like India's ancient astrologers had so much of knowledge about astrology and there's an in-depth explanation for every single thing that makes so much sense when you actually try to understand it. Traditional is not always bad.

[truevedicastrology]

Top 5 Differences Between Western and Vedic Astrology: A Quick and Dirty Guide

5. Zodiac Signs: Who's Who in the Sky?

Western: Tropical zodiac, based on the seasons.

Vedic: Sidereal zodiac, based on the actual constellations.

Think of it like this: In Western astrology, you might be a Sagittarius. In Vedic, you could be a Scorpio or even a Libra, depending on when you were born.

4. Planet Power: The Cosmic Players

Western: Sun and Moon are the big players.

Vedic: All planets are important, especially Jupiter, Saturn, and Mars.

Vedic astrology is like a cosmic game of tag, with every planet influencing your life in different ways.

3. Moon vs. Sun: The Inner Self

Western: Sun represents your ego and conscious self.

Vedic: Moon represents your emotions and unconscious mind.

Imagine the Moon as your secret diary, revealing your deepest feelings and desires.

2. Future vs. Past: Predicting Your Fate

Western: More focused on interpreting your personality and potential.

Vedic: More predictive, often making specific forecasts.

Vedic astrology is like a cosmic fortune cookie, offering glimpses into your future.

1. Destiny vs. Free Will: Fate or Choice?

Western: Emphasizes free will and personal choice.

Vedic: More fatalistic, believing in destiny and karma.

Vedic astrology is a game of chess, where your moves are influenced by a higher power.

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[cyberclouddream]

Hey, I go by Naj and I’m from Atlanta, GA, currently living off in the Caribbean. I’m using this blog to learn astrology and different ways of interpreting, based on my learning style. Not everything will resonate, since I tend to come from specific angles of expressions. I reference tropical more than vedic astrology.

Tropical: Libra Rising, Virgo Sun, Moon, Mercury 12H, Saturn 8H

Sidereal: Virgo Moon 0° 1H Uttara Phalguni w/ Lord Mercury 12H

I do not have any astrology certifications, I am but a student and enthusiast. I am not a Vedic Astrologer!

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Western Astrology vs. Vedic Astrology

Hi and welcome! Happy Pride Month for everyone who celebrates that, by the way. Also, I want to say something before I get into the topic. You know I thank you on almost every post I make for the support you give me. I got over 100 followers and over 1000 notes after just a week of posting astrology stuff here on Tumblr. This rapid growth of my Tumblr account really tells me that someone actually can resonate with my observations and that I'm doing the right thing. Now let's get into the topic! This post is going to be about the differences between Western astrology and Vedic astrology and there's a lot of them. I've been studying Vedic astrology for a year now and I can say that both types of astrology make sense and are accurate, but they're also too different from each other. I'm gonna explain further on this post which differences are present here.

Disclaimer: This post will be based on my own opinion only. I don't force anyone to think like me or to follow certain type of astrology and to judge another type of astrology. My goal is to share the knowledge I've gained for years and to expand someone's horizons if it's needed. That's what my Tumblr account is actually about.

Western astrology is a heliocentric type of astrology where the Sun is placed at the center of this system and that's why the Sun represents our zodiac sign. The natal chart of Western astrology looks like a circle and it reminds of the heliocentric system as well. Western astrology is also a geocentric, because those type of astrologers use the horizon of the planet Earth and they analyze each planet's move while looking at the sky. There's 12 zodiac signs and 12 months.

The Western astrology mostly depends on the seasons (spring, summer, fall and winter) and the signs whose season starts at the beginning of the season (Aries starts the spring, Cancer starts the summer, Libra starts the fall and Capricorn starts the winter) are considered as cardinal signs and the leaders of the zodiac.

The fixed signs are the ones which continue the season (Taurus continues the spring, Leo continues the summer, Scorpio continues the fall and Aquarius continues the winter). That's why these signs are always described as stubborn and undesirable for changes.

The mutable signs are type of signs whose season start between the end of the one season and at the beginning on another season. (Gemini ends the spring, Virgo ends the summer, Sagittarius ends the fall and Pisces ends the winter). That's why they're mostly perceived as adaptable to the almost every situation they're into.

The signs in Western astrology are also divided into a fire signs (Aries, Leo and Sagittarius) an earth signs (Taurus, Virgo and Capricorn), an air signs (Gemini, Libra and Aquarius) and a water signs (Cancer, Scorpio and Pisces). They're also divided into a masculine (fire and air signs) and a feminine signs (earth and water signs).

Keep in mind that Western and Tropical astrology are synonyms, two different words, but have the same meaning. You can use planets from Sun to Pluto in this type of astrology. Same with the house system, such as Placidus or Whole Sign, you can use any other house system you want in Western astrology.

On the other hand, Vedic astrology is based on the fixed stars, constellations or nakshatras. They are all synonyms. There's overall 27 nakshatras with the 12 signs and each sign has three nakshatras. The Moon and Ascendant (Lagna) are the most important things in someone's Vedic birth chart (Rashi chart or D1 chart) and then the Sun comes after when it comes to the importance of planets. The Moon represents our zodiac sign and our birth nakshatra in Vedic astrology, not the Sun. Each planet rules over the three nakshatras in Vedic astrology. Every nakshatra has its own deity, yoni/animal, symbols and planetary ruler.

The signs go 24 degrees backwards in Vedic astrology, but it depends on which Ayanamsa is used. Vedic astrologers mostly use Lahiri which is the classical and the most used Ayanamsa. You can have Taurus Sun in tropical natal chart, but Aries Sun in sidereal natal chart. Or you can have Taurus Sun in both tropical and sidereal natal chart. It's not always black and white. Mind you that Vedic astrology and Sidereal astrology are synonyms too.

Degrees are so important in Vedic astrology, because the planet with the highest degree in our vedic birth chart is one of the most important planets and it represents our life purpose in general. This planet is called Atmakaraka. The planet at the second most highest degree represents our career and profession and it's called as Amatyakaraka. The planet at the lowest degree represents our partner and future spouse and it's called as Darakaraka. The degrees are important here because of the nakshatras too.

This is how the North Indian style of Vedic birth chart looks like. This is a style of vedic birth chart I use the most, 'cause it's the easiest style for me to analyze someone's natal chart.

This is, on the other hand, the South Indian style of the Vedic birth chart. You can use whichever style of the birth chart you want.

Those are the objective differences of the Western and Vedic astrology. Now I want to get into the subjective differences I personally saw while using both types of astrology.

My personal difference between Western and Vedic astrology is that the Western astrology is generalizing and more obvious, while the Vedic astrology is a little bit deeper and more complex. The Sun represents our external presence and how we behave in outside world, maybe that's why the Western astrology is so obvious and why people from the western society are so egocentric and success-oriented generally. Vedic astrology gets more deeper, because the Moon is the most important planet there and it's associated with our inner world, emotions, mind, home etc. The placements from the Vedic birth chart describe more what we are inside, while the Western natal chart describes what we are outside.

Another difference I see is that the Vedic astrology uses religion and mythology, mostly the Hindu one, while the Western astrology doesn't use religion, especially the modern type of the Western astrology. Like I said previously, each nakshatra has its own deity and mythology, while this doesn't apply to the Western astrology at all.

Okay, that would be it. I hope you enjoyed it and see you very soon. Have all a wonderful day!

Best regards,

Paky McGee

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Children of Poseidon

Children of Poseidon are kind, peace-loving, adorable, and the loveliest people you will ever have the honor of knowing. They are willing to put lots of effort into keeping people around them happy and thus they are protected and loved by them in return. However, that side of them can also come crashing down on them if they surround themselves with the wrong people.

Gifts from Poseidon

They are very popular with people, most people LOVE to be friends with them and they also fit into friend groups super easily

They are usually super well-connected 

They naturally have very High emotional intelligence 

They usually embody a gentle, warm, and welcoming aura

Usually pretty tall or skinny

They usually have very good relationships with their family and siblings

They usually have no problem scoring a date at all

A lot of them naturally exude big D!CK energy 

They have natural talent and affinity towards weaponry and/or martial arts

A lot of them look like the hot summer surfer boy or the cute gentle nerdy boy

They usually win over people in a very favorable way

They are very good at hiding their flaws 

They have a very wild imagination and they can channel that to benefit them creatively

They have a very good grasp on what to say to make the other person comfortable

They are good at keeping distance but not coming off as unapproachable

They are super good at aegyo uwu

They are SUPER popular among people with the same sex as them, as they can seduce anyone of the same sex very easily

They usually embody the cleanest warm spring or huge ocean waves that surfers love 

Blessed with supportive and understanding siblings

They make great dancers or martial artists 

Very spiritually gifted and they have a natural open channel to receive spiritual gifts

They are very good at being cordial under any circumstances

They are usually very healthy people

Common Traits Among Children of Poseidon

A lot of them look like the hot summer surfer boy or the cute gentle nerdy boy

They have huge affinity towards fictional world in games 

Huge affinity towards weaponry, it can manifest in games or in real life 

Their emotions and ideals tend to dictate how they want to live their lives 

They like to hold back on their words to keep peace or not offend the other person

They will hide things but they are usually not fake

They are good at going with the flow in a social setting and have no problem doing so

They LOVE a good banter deep down

They prefer friends/partners that can thoroughly entertain them or just have fun with them

They are slow to commit to someone romantically

They LOVE to indulge in their delulus

They are usually the most romantic and/or delulu person in the room but they have a very pretty view of the world 

They usually indulge in animes/games to live the fantasy life they secretly want in their head 

They are usually got prominent sidereal air signs/tropical water sign placement in their chart

Poseidon LOVES a kind, gentle, and lovely delulu kid

They are usually super helpful, kind, and giving to the people around them 

They are very gentle lovers 

It is true that Poseidon kids either falls under the Percy Jackson category or the Theseus category, (Nerdy kid with a good heart vs fboi asshole, most of them belongs to the former)

They are very comforting to look at (from a fan pov)

Their presence naturally calms you down

They have an affinity towards animals and animals usually love them

They usually have very good morals due to their upbringing, even when the upbringing is bad they are not the type to do the super fked up shit 

The guys have a very obvious feminine side to them and the girls have a very obvious masculine side to them 

Very lovely people 

They have very slender bodies

A bit chuunibyou with how much they love to embody fictional characters 

They are usually very self-aware

Their interests are usually a bit eccentric

They usually got prominent Rahu nakshatra in their chart (vedic astrology chart)

Challenges They Face

They can be so delulu about their life and the amount of work they need to put in to get the best results out of life

Their loyalty to the ideal type of life they have in their head can prevent them from achieving the best results in life 

Good ideas, mediocre execution 

They have a hard time truly putting themselves out there and showing off their true talent

Self-esteem issues especially in a world where everyone have very big personalities 

They tend to get overshadowed very easily on the big screen or by their peers

The work they put in tend to be underappreciated unless their peers bring it up 

A lot of how well their life goes depend hugely on people around them, and they have a tendency to just let people sway their path or energies 

People-pleasing tendencies can drain them super badly (with their energy and luck)

They have a chronic need to be surrounded by people

They are deathly scared of being alone 

They tend to struggle in love because they are not taking enough proactive moves 

They need a lot of practicality to balance their idealism out 

They struggle with feeling underachieved 

When they are struggling they can be popular but super emotionally selfish

When manifested badly they can become the most manipulative type of fbois

They have weird karma with the opposite sex despite being lusted after by a lot of people 

They can surround themselves with a lot of users and people with bad intentions and/or people that don’t even like them that much 

A lot of them struggle to find love but once they do find someone they are usually together for a very very long time

Some of them struggle with lessons of dealing with a very emotionally manipulative or emotionally distant dad 

Their dads are tougher on them than their moms (biological)

They can grow resentful of their partners if they don’t learn to also give to themselves more

Disclaimer: Everything written above stemmed from my own observations, I'm not claiming to be 100% accurate on everything

[saturnianoracle]

is there or could there be a place where sidereal and tropical meet halfway? understandably, its not about the constellations, but shouldn't we take into account the way our universe is constantly moving? "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." Thanks!

I'm not sure if you read both my introduction post and tropical v sidereal one but the latter one especially goes more into why the actual movement of the universe itself is not exactly relevant to astrology. Mixing tropical and sidereal would not really make sense either , it's like using 2 diff languages in the same sentence. However, the extent of which I'm aware u could somehow incorporate it into hellenistic is through the use of fixed stars! I myself don't use them as I've not really looked into them yet but it might something you'd wanna look into and incorporate into the tropical system. Sorry I can't be of more help on this. If you're interested in vedic principles themselves though , many vedic astrologers do use the tropical system so you can definitely do that too.

[hwnglx]

wellll its hard to make an assumption like that based mostly on his tropical aries venus placement... idk if you're familiar with sidereal astrology but his venus is in pisces (uttarabhadra) which is saturn ruled i'd say he pretty loyal even if he might lose interest fast/take time to find the right person

oh that's an interesting insight.

see, i do know of sidereal astrology but i gotta say, my knowledge on it is more limited compared to tropical astrology. especially for my "as a boyfriend" readings, i focus more on the combo of their tropical natal chart + tarot, which more often than not validates the insights their tropical venus placement gives me. as an example, i got the knight of wands and the devil rx for jungwon more than once, which both point to the flighty and less committed attitude in him. very aries. (i def do see him sticking to the one he loves once he finds them tho! it'll just take more time than the others)

still, i appreciate you giving me food for thought with that, i actually didn't think of it weirdly enough. ☺️ the whole vedic vs western astrology debate has always been confusing me i gotta say, since the signs completely change depending on what chart you look at. till now, i've stuck to western astrology and felt it went in line with my readings very well. but obviously, this is up to everyone's own preference.

[saaturnia]

With respect to OP, anyone claiming that astrology can accurately sort people into set categories is not using astrology properly.

In the most basic terms, astrology is trends, patterns, and potentials that are explained through the relationships between the astral bodies.

Two people can be born under the sign Aries. Or even have the same “big 3.” Does that automatically mean they’re exactly the same? Obviously not. That’s ridiculous.

Just like with any other “system”, such as language for instance (which is just as ‘made-up’ and categorical as astrology if we want to get philosophical about it), someone’s understanding of what was communicated depends on the person’s perspective, experiences, and a plethora of other factors.

“I love you so much” and “te amo mucho” mean the same thing, but depending on your personal experiences, you may only understand one of those sentences. Maybe you understand neither? Maybe both? It depends.

Two people may be Aries, but depending on their experiences, they may understand/identify/feel connected to different archetypes associated with that sign.

This is my ‘layman’s terms’ explanation. I could get into degree theory, aspects, astrological houses, Placidus vs whole sign, Vedic vs Tropical astrology, progressed charts, and more, but that’s an entirely other post.

All this to say: astrology is more complex than “lol I’m [insert sign/aspect/placement here] so that means I’m XYZ.” Anyone using it this way or explaining it in this way is usually someone who is still learning or who doesn’t fully understand the extent of astrology.

some people on the astrology post seem very concerned about having their beliefs respected, but what about my beliefs? namely my belief that any system claiming to accurately sort every single human being on earth into a set number categories based on arbitrary information is horseshit

[planetdream]

dream oh my god im the sidereal tropical anon oml i feel like ive been given a kings feast! thank you for taking the time to write something so lengthy and being 😭 patient w me lol ❣️ also so sorry i didnt notice the earlier post on sidereal vs tropical! that anons ask was more what i meant to ask BAHA i worded myself badly 😭 i never knew there was mathematical differences between sidereal and tropical, i wanna look into that now, thats interesting. but yes ill keep myself to tropical for now! thing is when i first heard about astrology it was via sidereal and vedic so thats what first caught my eye, but as a new learner i felt it was easier to get into tropical if that makes sense ? aaa anyways aspects!! def keeping an eye on those and trying not to get bogged down into just one part of the chart and remembering to view it as a whole 🙏 thank you thank you thank you

the leo moons side eye made me giggle you can read me on whatever you want whenever you want i would be honoured 🙏🙏

to answer the side note i have been told so yes LOL 😓

omgomg if you want to give a more in-depth description i can def send them! but also do not feel obligated to pls 😭😭❣️

also so happy you went on a tangent!! it was very informative and i really do appreciate it deeply

hey !!! literally no problem ! i love being about to help others learn about astrology. currently making a big master post of all my astro talks and i’m gonna make a new post for sources (online + books; so i’ll def include some sidereal sources!!). i tried to use ur ask to expand on a few things i’d originally forgot about when answering the original sidereal v tropical ask so don’t even worry !! you worded urself perfectly !! 🫶🏾

and you would not believe how much math is used within astrology (hint: a lot) let’s be real, way way back in the day they used to drawn charts BY HAND!!! like we have the privilege to enter it into some fancy online calculator… og astrologers were doing the math ‼️‼️and shout out vedic astrology! a lot of my sidereal / vedic knowledge is a bit secondhand, but i would love to expand my knowledge of it and share it with you guys 🩷 (fave thing abt astrology is that you’re constantly learning)

it’s always good to remember that there’s so much to your natal chart, but don’t let it overwhelm you! if it’s easier, go placement by placement and really get a feel on the energies, and then you can dig into your aspects for an extra ✨wow✨

also hahah. i knew it! from what i can tell, this blog attracts a lot of people with a more maternal or mom friend energy (cancer/moon on the 11H; or cancer rising). my blog also attracts a sliver of virgo energy and a lottt of venusians (soo many of u have libra placements; n i’ve been getting a couple tauruses too).

and i would fr love to look more in depth at ur chart !! 😻😻😻 (that way i can get into that leo moon of urs 🙏🏾)

[gautam-101]

Unveiling the Cosmic Dance: Exploring the Link Between Astrology and Astronomy

Introduction

In the vast expanse of the cosmos, humanity has long gazed upon the celestial bodies with wonder and curiosity. From the earliest civilizations to modern-day scientists, the study of the stars has captivated our imagination and sparked countless inquiries into the nature of our universe. Among the various disciplines that have emerged from this fascination, astrology and astronomy stand out as two distinct yet intertwined fields of study.

Astrology, often regarded as a mystical art, seeks to interpret the positions and movements of celestial objects to divine insights into human affairs and natural phenomena. Meanwhile, astronomy, grounded in empirical observation and scientific inquiry, endeavors to understand the cosmos through systematic study and analysis. Despite their differing methodologies and objectives, astrology and astronomy share a common ancestry and continue to influence one another in myriad ways.

In this exploration, we delve into the intricate relationship between astrology and astronomy, unraveling the threads that connect these ancient practices to our contemporary understanding of the universe. Through a comprehensive examination of their historical development, philosophical underpinnings, and modern applications, we seek to illuminate the enduring bond between the cosmic and the terrestrial realms.

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I. The Historical Tapestry: Tracing the Origins of Astrology and Astronomy

A. Ancient Civilizations and Celestial Wisdom

1. Mesopotamia: Birthplace of Astrology

2. Egypt: The Legacy of the Pyramids and Zodiacs

3. Greece: Pioneers of Rational Inquiry

B. Medieval Europe: The Renaissance of Astrology and Astronomy

1. The Influence of Islamic Scholars

2. The Age of Exploration and Celestial Navigation

C. The Enlightenment and the Scientific Revolution

1. Kepler, Galileo, and the Birth of Modern Astronomy

2. Astrology in the Age of Reason: Skepticism and Critique

II. Celestial Mechanics: Bridging the Gulf Between Astrology and Astronomy

A. The Laws of Motion and Gravitation

1. Newtonian Physics and Celestial Dynamics

2. Kepler's Laws and Planetary Motion

B. The Birth of Modern Cosmology

1. Einstein's Theory of Relativity and the Fabric of Spacetime

2. Quantum Mechanics and the Subatomic Cosmos

C. The Celestial Sphere and the Zodiac: A Comparative Analysis

1. Constellations, Precession, and the Tropical vs. Sidereal Zodiacs

2. Astronomical Phenomena and Astrological Significance

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III. The Cosmic Symphony: Exploring Astrological Principles and Astronomical Phenomena

A. The Twelve Signs of the Zodiac: Myth, Symbolism, and Archetypes

1. Aries: The Ram and the Vernal Equinox

2. Taurus: The Bull and the Pleiades

B. Planetary Influences and Astronomical Alignments

1. Mercury Retrograde: A Celestial Illusion?

2. Lunar Phases and Psychological Tides

C. The Astrological Houses and Celestial Geometry

1. Angular, Succedent, and Cadent Houses: A Triptych of Influence

2. The Ascendant-Descendant Axis: Dawn and Dusk in the Horoscope

IV. The Modern Synthesis: Astrology and Astronomy in the Digital Age

A. Astroinformatics: Data Mining and Statistical Analysis

1. Big Data and Astrological Research

2. Machine Learning and Predictive Modeling

B. Astrocartography: Mapping Celestial Influences on Earth

1. Geodetic Lines and Planetary Alignments

2. Locational Astrology and Personal Empowerment

C. The Future of Astrology and Astronomy: Integration or Divergence?

1. Bridging the Gap: Collaborative Endeavors and Interdisciplinary Studies

2. Ethical Considerations and Societal Implications

Conclusion

As we reach the culmination of our journey through the intertwined realms of astrology and astronomy, we are reminded of the enduring allure of the cosmos and its profound influence on the human experience. From the ancient wisdom of the Babylonians to the cutting-edge research of contemporary astrologers and astronomers, the quest to understand the celestial dance continues unabated.

While astrology and astronomy may diverge in their methodologies and philosophical foundations, they share a common aspiration: to unravel the mysteries of the universe and our place within it. As we navigate the vast expanse of space and time, let us embrace the symbiotic relationship between these two disciplines, recognizing that in the cosmic tapestry, every thread has its place and purpose.

In the end, whether we gaze upon the stars with the eyes of a skeptic or a believer, let us marvel at the beauty and complexity of the cosmic symphony, knowing that we are but tiny actors in the grand drama of the cosmos. And as we ponder the mysteries of the heavens above, may we find solace in the knowledge that we are all, in some small way, connected to the vast and wondrous universe that surrounds us.

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[peachie-kittie]

You know if you had absolutely no self-preservation you could scroll down far enough to see the last astrology post I made. It was small and I can't even remember what it was about.

With that said-

The intersection of astrology and astronomy is fascinating, no? Like - obvs astrology is, in some form I feel, a love language of astronomy. Of course others with cry it is a defamation of science which- bro tis simply a belief chill.

But with how much thought and consideration was put especially into ancient forms of astrology (ESPECIALLY vedic texts!) I truly appreciate the systems they've grown into today.

But like. God I'm scared of making the more involved astrology people mad but djsnsk. There are huge differences between the dates of the actual planets and suns ecliptic thru the signs compared to both sidereal and tropical branches.

And we all know about the Ophiuchus stuff lmao.

But like...bro.

I am genuinely really nervous about this seeming disrespectful. Not my intent but like. The dates are so far off. Virgo is like- 45/46 days LONG. Did you know the suns ecliptic doesn't even 'touch' the actual constellation pattern of aries while touching every other sign (including Ophiuchus!) And like. Midway through Pisces (which lasts around 36/37 days) it grazes the boundary of a constellation called Cetus??? The sun does go through Aries constellation boundary but like

For such a small constellation that sure is a big boundary. Got damn.

And like. I want to clarify this is not inherently a call to include Ophiuchus or me trying to push that yall gotta follow the actual night sky. But it's really interesting and I'm tempted to try and start practicing a form of astrology that like...bases it around the actual, actual dates. Sidereal but Even More. Galactic Sidereal I think it's called.

Now ofc that does mean like- "what thw fuck about ophiuchus" and I'm torn between an interest in it vs a general sort of - like - it is even, the elements, the modes of the zodiac, the pattern. So adding Ophichus would throw a wrench in there.

But on the other hand, isn't going by the actual dates already mucking up the pristine pattern of it? Admitting that maybe it's not as easy as you would think? I dunno.

If I don't end up including Ophiuchus I'd probably label it as a notable subset of Scorpio.

And yes a lot of people would become Virgo lmao. In galactic sidereal IM a Virgo Sun, moon, and mercury.

[mercurytrinemoon]

Nah.

Actually, vedic astrology is known for being fatalistic when it comes to tangible things and can tell you about your life's circumstances and literal events. If you go to a proper vedic astrologer, they'd probably tell you about your money, relationships, career, family, married life (and IF you get married in the first place), not about your soul. It's because wealth and the societal aspects of life were and still are an important part of the Indian tradition, where vedic was developed. This is why the Jyotish approach is often a lot more distinct - because it focuses on practical details of the native's life (this is why it heavily uses the divisional charts, each representing different sphere of life).

And then whether you choose the vedic approach of using sidereal zodiac or western approach of using tropical - that's just preference and different mathematics (constellations vs equinoxes and solstices) - none of them is more about "the soul" than the other.

And of course, reading a chart in a "deeper" manner is a by-product, because, even if you focus on reading about literal events and circumstances, you'll see some cerebral or character-based traits as well cause they just go hand in hand, nevertheless, strictly psychological side of astrology is a modern concept - only in relatively recent times people started treating it as a tool for self-development.

So this theory sounds like the one that says "placidus is psychological/shows your soul while whole sign shows the palpable side of life", which, for me, that is slight bs. So just don't listen to astro tik tok 😩😅

❌Astro Question❌

Related to tropical and sidereal/vedic charts

Does anyone else thinks that the Tropical chart is showing something you need to achieve as a human in this life while your sidereal chart shows what your soul needs to achieve in this life?

I remember i saw long ago on TikTok something about sidereal/vedic charts being the charts of our souls, so if you think your sidereal chart is more accurate than your tropical maybe that's why

I always found it interesting how the vedic/Sidereal charts focuses more on spiritual side and the soul when Tropical focuses more on the physical and current things in the life

I love both my tropical and sidereal charts they both have something to offer, there are days when i relate more to tropical than sidereal and vice versa but i just kept thinking about it and what sidereal charts mean totally for us as human and celestial beings