#vecna puppet theory

[henrysglock]

GRRGRRGGRRGGRG GOD ALL THIS!!

I wonder if this has any bearing here, but if Brenner combined himself with One/was combined with One in 1979, but the other Brenner was attacked by the demogorgon in 1983…and Vecna definitely doesn’t have schmeat…

who’s to say Vecna isn’t a Brenner, given that they flash from him to him:

1983 Brenner…Is there any chance you became a puppet?

It would explain the inexplicable transfer of One/Vecna from Dimension X to the blue UD and the weird ethernet tentacle stuff…

HIS DICK FELL OFF?? (The Vanishing Of Brenner’s Cock- What Happened To It?)

So, welcome to yet another insane post. Long story short, I’m wondering if Brenner’s schmeat got butchered.

So, this all started out when I was sitting here thinking about James’ Mothergate post (and I’ve got some posts here about mothergate & one in particular about Mothergate and The Fly that connects to this current post) and wondering why Vecna has all of these times that he appears as women & all of this mother coding, but that same feminine coding isn’t present for Henry/Edward as a child or in the lab.

And then, I was sitting here thinking about the idea of Brenner trying to combine himself with Henward in order to try and get regen healing (which you can see posts such as this post, this post, this post, and this post) and Vecna being the result of that, and then it hit me:

Is Brenner the reason why that “female” imagery is present for Vecna but not for Henward pre-Vecna?

Brenner also acts weirdly reverently towards the vagina-shaped gates :

And as James @henrysglock pointed out to me, there’s also a Lilly Brenner in Insidious:

But if Brenner DID lose his dick, HOW did he lose his dick?

Well. I hate typing this just as much as you’re going to hate reading it, but. When the Demogorgon knocks Brenner over in S1, when we look at how he was knocked back:

Versus the Demogorgon’s position when it starts chewing:

It’s too close to the camera to be chewing on Brenner’s head the way that the S4 Demogorgon does with the prisoners- but it’s RIGHT in the perfect place to be chewing on Brenner’s other head.

And when I brought this up to James, he mentioned the 3 legged Papa drawing vs the 2 legged Papa drawing- which, if Brenner had lost a “leg”, makes sense- however, the 2 legged drawing is technically from 1979 and is therefore before the 3 legged drawing, but the 3 legged drawing is shown to the audience first in the show. So either way, there’s Something here.

And speaking of legs, we also have all of the Jaws references in ST, and specifically, the Demogorgon being compared to a shark:

And what does this have to do with legs? Well, Jaws was inspired by Moby Dick- Moby Dick, where Captain Ahab’s leg was bitten off by a whale/Jaws being inspired by that with sharks.

Versus Brenner’s dick being presented as a third “leg,” in the drawing, and it possibly having been bitten off by the Demogorgon, which, again, is compared to a shark.

And I talked here about how the Brenner that we see in S1 is very very likely Richard Brenner, not Martin Brenner- Richard, whose name is literally short for “Dick.”

Brenner also seems to really overcompensate when it comes to masculinity.

For example, he’s got his cock coat scene:

And he forces the lab children to call him “Papa”:

And if we REALLY want to stretch things, there’s a young trans girl named Morgan Brenner in the 1994 tv show, “ER.” Which, interestingly enough, she shares that name with a girl in iCarly of all things, also named Morgan Brenner. And speaking of iCarly vs ST, Fred Benson in ST also shares a name with as Fred Benson from iCarly.

Plus, we also have the idea that one of the Henwards during NINA is Brenner/a Henward that got combined with one of the Brenners, which, considering all of the castration references that surround Henward/the castration vibes with Soteria that Stav pointed out…

Long story short: something weird is going on inside of Brenner’s pants and with the female imagery in ST regarding Brenner.



[morimyths]

idk how I managed to forget to post Him, but here he is in all of his (wonky) glory. I desperately need to redraw him; he’s always on my mind

don’t look at this too closely, I’m going to redo it at some point

[alcalystrasz]

Stranger Things 5 spoilers:

We're discussing theories.

So we knew that the first episode was called "The Crawl" because The Duffers posted a tweet with the script title. However, for the other ones... that's crazy.

So remember there are 8 episodes in total, and we possibly only have 6 of their titles. Let's try to understand them together.

EP1 - So, for The Crawl I personally don't have theories for it. I just thought maybe it was going to be about escaping from someplace, or to get to a place.

EP2 - The Episode 2 is the most intriguing, "The Vanishing of ***** Wheeler." It reminds me a lot of the first episode of season 1: "The Vanishing of Will Byers" so it may have a sort of link. So we know it's a Wheeler, but who. If we count the starts there are 5 of them, maybe it's a random number or maybe they did this on purpose so we can know the number of letters in the name. So, Karen has five letters, Holly has five letters too, Nancy also and Mike and Ted are excluded. So only the women could vanish. Between these 3 characters, we know one has been recast: Holly. So maybe, Holly will be the one to disappear, because in a previous spoiler/leak it has been said that Holly was going to be a target of Vecna, so far we thought it was fake but it could turn out to be true actually. So if it's indeed Holly who disappears, and it could make sense because Will vanished when he was 11 and she's going to be around 8, I have a question, will she also get some sort of powers just like Will in the end when we find her?

And now that I think about it, maybe "The Crawl" is Holly's to try to escape from Vecna but she ends up in the Upside Down anyway?

I think Holly is the most possible Wheeler to vanish. And it has been said many times that Holly can be linked to Vecna in some ways. Lots of fans said that Karen could be Henry's sister and Holly is his nephew. Maybe? He would kidnap her to put pressure on Karen, because we know the parents and especially Karen will play a bigger role this season...

EP3 - "The Turbow Trap" is probably something against Vecna, I don't have anything, except maybe it could be made by Dustin because he's a genius at making stuff (He made Cerebro).

EP4 - "Sorcerer." I don't know why but I feel like it's either Vecna, because he's a sort of sorcerer, or maybe it's Will. Remember that in DnD, Will plays a sort of wizard/cleric. I don't know what could happen but... maybe it's also something else. It is probably in this episode that Holly comes back because they could all try to confront this Sorcerer, so Vecna.

EP5 - "Shock Jock" makes me think of "Trick or Treat, freak" an episode of season 2. The episode's name is kinda similar, I don't know how to explain that. But it's a goofy title to something dramatic like in the Halloween one. Jock could be Joyce. It's a shock to Joyce? Maybe something could happen to Will?

EP6 - This episode has probably the weirdest title of them all. "Escape from Camazotz." So... Camazotz is a Bat, more precisely a God who's form is a bat. He's a creature with the head of a bat and the body of a human, really weird to put this in the show. It's from the religion of the Maya, he's associated to night, death and sacrifice. But that's in real life. In DnD, Camazotz is the "Demon Lord of Bats and Fire." He literally likes hunting the mortals in the darkness. Just like Vecna. And in the Upside Down we saw there are in fact Bats, demobats, but is Vecna controlling them? He can't be both Vecna and Camazotz at the same time. Maybe Vecna is just a puppet of this unknown dimension?

The second edition of DnD was introduced in 1974, and Vecna was introduced in this edition. Which explains why they used this name for Henry. But Camazotz wasn't, it's probably in the 3rd or 4th edition.

Who are we gonna see? Camazotz, from the Maya or Camazotz from DnD?

I have some theories.

The first one is, somebody's going to sacrifice themselves to save everyone else. As I said in my previous theories, I had the idea of Robin and/or Jonathan that sacrifices themselves. In this context, I don't think Robin's sacrifice would happen for this sort of thing. However Jonathan's could be. It could be a big twist for Will because I have this idea where he's going to be either stuck, or he's going to stay in the Upside Down in some ways, along with Mike. So this could be one of their conversations later, it could ruin Will so Mike would be there to comfort him.

The second one is, someone's going to get killed by Camazotz, which explains the word "escape" in the title. Maybe Robin, Jonathan, Max (if she isn't already dead) or one parent like Karen or Ted.

The actor of Ted answered a question in an interview. Someone asked something about him not being mentioned by Vecna when he showed Nancy that her whole family is going to die, and the actor simply answered: "Oh. You noticed?" With a wink.

So maybe Ted knows about Karen's link to Vecna. Maybe it isn't their story isn't like what Nancy said to Jonathan in season 1. The whole "Perfect" family is probably a lie.

This could actually explain why Vecna showed what's gonna happen to the Wheeler family, to Nancy. Because she's the one who got this "Perfect family" idea. We never saw Mike talk about it to anyone. So.... this is all a little blurry...

But I think, in this episode, there has to be 1 death. Most likely Robin, because she was only introduced in season 3 and she's a recent character, compared to the other ones who were here since season 1.

I have this theory, what if the end of ST5 is the beginning of ST1. What I mean is that, we go back to the beginning like how it was before everything happened even though it actually happened. It's like, everything ended and now we're back to how it was. So it means, only the 4 boys, Steve, Nancy, Jonathan, Hopper and Joyce. Eleven wouldn't be, because she's one of the reasons it all started, and it would be such a good ending if she dies saving Hawkins. Barb doesn't count cause she'd dead. And every characters introduced later died so far: Billy, Max (half dead), Bob... Only Murray and Robin are left. Murray will def die that's for sure and Robin, for me, has to die too.

Now, I want to talk about BYLER.

Remember the episode 3 of season 3, with Will and Mike's fight under the rain? Guess who it was directed by:

Shawn Levy.

And who's going to direct episode 6 of ST5?

Shawn Levy.

He didn't only direct that, but he also directed the sauna episode. And what happens in the sauna episode?

Will: I can feel him....

Mike, looking at Will's lips: Max get away from the door...

So, if Shawn Levy direct the episode 6, we'll get byler. And was I thinking? Byler kiss episode 6, that was my theory. With 3 or 4 intimate moments between them before episode 6 and the kiss during this episode.

There is one director I didn't talk about, it's Frank Darabont. He's a director who made a lot of horror movies, and we know how Stanger Things can be disgusting sometimes. Right?

So if Frank directs 3 episodes, they're going to be very scary or atleast be special in a disgusting way, maybe? But it's definitely going to be horror for these episodes.

I think he'll probably direct episode 7, that'd make sense, maybe 8 too.

Anyway, that was it. Tell me what you guys think about these two spoilers/leaks. I hope the directing one is true. And the titles are still possibly to change in the future, but the episode 2 really caught me off guard. I bet it's gonna be Holly.

And by the way, I hope they can bring back Sarah, Hopper's daughter. The fact that her and Holly look alike, isn't a coincidence for me. Maybe Sarah is more important than we think she is.

[henrysglock]

So, James;

My friend just finished watching Season 4, and I want to initiate her into your enlightened theories: which analysis should I send her first, to ease her into the maddening complexity that is Henry and all the fuckery? (And maybe some if your ST textposts, because those are top-tier)

Ooooooh okay okay :3 You could probably just send her this post and let her work her way through it

First things first: a couple of crucial Em posts— Edward Creel Masterpost Timelines Masterpost Orderly Henry's Jumpsuit Masterpost

Now, some of my faves. Most of these are in my pinned post, but I'll list off the ones I like best here for ease (specifically re: NINA's inconsistencies and Vecna's inconsistencies).

Cracks and Mirrors series re: NINA Henry Fuckiness (1, 2, 3, 4)

Deliberately Inconsistent Filming in NINA: Not Solely Henry (1, 2, 3, 4, 5)

Vecna Guy vs Mindflayer Guy re: Fuckiness Outside NINA (1, 2, 3)

Vecna Acting Like A Puppet

UD Double-Agent Theory (1, 2)

Creature Attack Indications in NINA (1, 2)

NINA and Drug Usage

I think this is a good place to start!! It's definitely...a lot, lol. If your friend has any questions, please pass them along (or she can ask me herself, even). I love having reasons to theory talk!

[nothoughts-onlywomen]

Camazotz

I grew up reading a Wrinkle in Time, and remembering the storyline for that has sparked some season 5 theories in my mind…

Camazotz is a planet that succumbed to the Black Thing, which is considered to be pure darkness and evil. We know of another place that’s very similar…

The Upside Down is generally assumed to be evil, or at least contain evil things. But the other thing I’m noting here is the “hive mind.”

Camazotz and the Upside Down both operate under a hive mind. Meg’s dad Alex was imprisoned in Camazotz because he refused to conform. And, as we know, Max is trapped in the Upside Down somewhere.

Vecna’s connection to Master of Puppets makes me think that he’ll either have control of others or be under control by the Mind Flayer. Either that, or Max is actively fighting being under Vecna’s mind control, which is why she’s stuck there.

Yes, Camazotz could be a reference to the death bat, but I refuse to believe that the Duffers would post this carelessly:

Which leads me to my point. Why do I find this so important?

Upon their initial trip to Camazotz, Charles Wallace allows himself to be hypnotized by IT so he could find their dad. Calvin and Meg go back to Camazotz to find and free Charles Wallace. And when Meg finally faces IT, Charles Wallace is still under IT’s control. She has to tell him she loves him, and remind him how much she cares about him in order for him to be broken out of IT’s trance.

Picture this. Max may not have intentionally allowed herself to get trapped in the Upside Down. But there’s no doubt in my mind that she’s using whatever energy she has left to see if she can figure out any weaknesses of Vecna’s. In some way, Vecna will be trying to control her mind, and she’ll be actively resisting him, but running out of stamina and time. So now El and Lucas have to go in to save her.

The show has utilized this same trope that A Wrinkle in Time did: the power of love against evil. Something we’ve already seen here:

I have a fairly good feeling that Max will be in danger of succumbing to the Upside Down and/or Vecna’s mind control. And Lucas (and/or El) will have to talk to her, plead with her, tell her how much they love and cherish her. Bonus points if they use her letters to do so, offering positive memories that she included. And I think Lucas will do a Mike in this scenario and finally tell Max that he loves her and hasn’t given up on her.

And this, ultimately, will allow Max just enough agency for them to smuggle her out of her cage. Hugs and hopefully a Lumax kiss (several, even. Complete with embraces and tears and face caressing) will ensue.

And we’ll all be crying our eyes out.

[coniangray]

No bc what was the point of this?

ik the lab reached out to him cus they figured he knows the kids and therefore lead them (and probably their target: el) back to them.

But that doesnt quite add up to the timeline, does it...

I think there was another reason they reached out to him. They were probably planning this for a while now, even before s1 started, and tought clarke was the perfect link to the kids and eleven, but why?

Clarke might be connected to vecna and there is proof.

Either hes one of his followers or simply another puppet or a coverup pawn. I havent really thought this through but i do believe hes heavily involved also thanks to @liebstie (bubble) on twitter who gave me food for thought.

The suspicion began when he first saw el, and his reactions were extremely similar to billys in s3 after seeing her for the first time

hell even their expressions are similar

something something they both looked like they recognized el.

Another scene that kinda bugs me about his arc is this:

Look at his expressions, hes definetely hiding something, He knows theres a gate, and he knows how to get there thats why he didnt tell them the entire truth.

These were also foreshadowing the uds effect in the mest seasons, the "swallow us whole" part covering season 5.

BONUS:

HE KNOWS. He knows abt the lab definetly and he also knows about vecna. hes iffy, i can tell but like i cant yet tell if hes under vecnas control or working with him. Now we havent seen him interacting with brenner at all, which leads me to think this:

What if something happened to force him into a connection with vecna, one different than wills or billys, that actually led the lab lady reach out to him and keep an eye on him?? We know she was sent by brenner, and the whole newsletter thing was bs to coverup why exacly they needed him, Clarke is suspicious at all times, as if hes tiptoeing onto what information hes allowed to share about the gates and the upside down.

My theory is that clarke is somehow paraleling both snape and slughorn from harry potter, as vecna paralels tom riddle/ voldermort. He could have helped him in the past since he was presumably always hyperfixating on science, and maybe they had to exchange services of some sort, i havent seen the play so idk if he was involved at all.

Plus this scene where he told them about finneas' injury is also most likely heavily involved in his arc

And then the camera pans from focusing to will, and then max.. which foreshadowed her injury in st4.

[dwobbitfromtheshire]

I think the puppet tattoo is going to play into it, just like the bats ended up doing. I mean, they said that Joseph picked out the tattoos, and with all the good theories that came out of it, it seems like a waste, not to use it. Plus, it seems like Vecna framed Eddie from the beginning because otherwise, why would he have waited until Chrissy was in Eddie's trailer to grab her? And then he grabbed Fred at the trailer park and then Patrick right in front of Jason. I do also think that maybe Vecna had gotten inside of Jason's head and influenced him, kind of like a puppet. Do I still believe hole heartedly that Jason was an asshole before all of this? Yes. It just seemed like he was cursed a little bit, too. Eddie's death would be pointless if he didn't come back because with or without him, the bats would have dropped after Nancy and the others attacked Vecna. The question is: why would Vecna be interested in Eddie? Why would he want him by his side to begin with? Is it just because he can or because he saw how everyone viewed Eddie and he knew that Eddie would be easier to influence? I just want Eddie to come back, and I don't see how people say that Eddie's death finished his story. It didn't. It left it incomplete and left us with so many questions.

[willthewise7]

So in light of recent leaks I’m going to put a list together of predictions for Season 5, let’s see if they look similar to leaks. These are just predicted based off theories I’ve made and narrative direction.

- Time froze in the Upside Down due to Will. When he entered he somehow not only manipulated time but also mirrored Hawkins.

- El is focused and determined to save Max throughout the Season.

- Mike and Will have a really emotional scene regarding the painting.

- Mike and Nancy have many important scenes together, one of which involves Vecna.

- Vecna needs Will in order to utilise his plan, but he underestimates him.

- Henry’s backstory is revealed, showing him being bullied for being different. It illustrates his lack of a bond with his mother.

- The party have to fight the Thessalhydra together, as depicted by the painting.

- “Without heart, we’d all fall apart” is key to the resolution.

- The reason as to why Will was taken in Season 1 is key and will be revealed.

- Will and El use their strong bond in order to defeat Vecna and the Mindflayer.

- The Mindflayer has ultimate control of the Upside Down, which Vecna is unaware of.

- Steve saves Dustin from dying and ends up sacrificing himself.

- Robin and Vickie kiss.

- Dustin deals with the trauma from Eddie’s death. The party comfort him, with his bond strengthening with Will.

- El and Lucas remember the letters that Max wrote for them, they read them out. They protect Max at all costs.

- Will has an emotional scene with Joyce and opens up to her.

- Jonathan and Nancy’s bond grows stronger once again.

- Will and El share a really emotional scene together, their platonic bond is shown strongly throughout the final season.

- Lots of Byers family scenes, with Will and Jonathan’s strong bond being shown again.

- All previous monsters return for the final season.

- Steve and Robin team-up to fight demodogs.

- Hopper and El have a scene similar to Season 3 where they say goodbye to each other before going to utilise a plan.

- El saves Max.

- Mike and El decide to be best friends instead of being in a relationship.

- The Mindflayer influenced Henry from the start and was the real “demon” in the Creel House attic. Taking control of things from the very start. It wanted to consume the world and pulled the strings for this to happen, using Henry as a puppet.

- Will is able to help defeat the Upside Down due to Mike’s reciprocated love for him.

- El and Lucas protect Max from demodogs, sent to finish off Max.

- Mike is key to bringing together a master plan to defeating Vecna.

- Erica and Lucas share an emotional sibling moment.

- Hopper protects the Byers at all costs, having epic fighting scenes.

- Hopper and Joyce share many emotional scenes together.

- Murray dies whilst in the final battle.

- The party goes separate ways at the end of the show, with some characters leaving together. Multiple endings.

[steddieas-shegoes]

Can I ask what Kas!Eddie means? I’ve come across it a lot but I’ve never found a post explaining,, like I get it’s vampire Eddie but yeah what is Kas??

Oh my friend!!! Let me just be totally honest, I’m not gonna be able to give you a well rounded answer so I hope someone does.

I have never played D&D and really only learned what was necessary to know what the hell the kids and Eddie were talking about in the show. My best friend is showing me and Liam how to play someday but my brain heard math and said “😬😬😬 you can do the math for me tho right” and that’s been that.

But shortly after the end of season 4, everyone was like “we’ve done this before, Eddie isn’t dead” and came up with a bunch of theories (all of them very interesting, though many were extremely unlikely). The one that stuck around the most is that he’s coming back as Kas the Bloody Handed. In a very uneducated nutshell, Vecna turns him into his ultimate weapon (a master of puppets if you will 👀) for the creatures of the upside down. But in the lore, Kas turns on Vecna in order to gain his power, kills him with a sword I don’t know the name of but it’s like the Ultimate Sword of Vengeance or something.

He’s basically a vampire that’s got upside down creature tendencies. Not a cute vampire by any means, way WAY less human than what fiction has always given us for examples of vampires.

I hope this helps a bit! Again, I don’t know everything here, I just know what little I need to understand the theories! If anyone wants to add or correct me, please feel free!

[reikunrei]

If Vecna is Brenner and Brenner is behind everything, henward is completely innocent, then what's the point of henward's character(s)? Doesn't that make him more of a plot device than a character at this point? Just someone there to be abused and then be merged with the true big bag for some reason and drive the plot forward, with 0 agency of his own

This is by no means hate to your theory, it makes a lot of sense, I'm just not enjoying where they seem to be taking this, all this importance given to vecna and henry, only for them to turn out to be complete puppets to Brenner. it's fun in a sci fi way I guess, but from a narrative/character development standpoint? I don't like it at all

I'm definitely not to one to come to for in-depth questions/concerns like this so I recommend checking out @henrysglock and @aemiron-main who have both spoken extensively about Brenner being the "real" big bad and what that does for Henward as a character, so if you haven't read their posts, I recommend going spelunking over there.

However, the whole point then of Henward's character, at least in this conversation, is that he has this ability that Brenner doesn't. Without Henward, Brenner wouldn't be able to be the biggest bad there ever was, so to speak. Speaking directly to that Time Lord/Two Hearts post I made, basically what I'm saying is that there's a possibility that Brenner became Vecna, but he was only able to do that because of Henward and his powers/altered blood, which may even still be specific to him and not to any of the other kids that were "made" using "Henry" and his blood. I'd say that makes Henward pretty damn important to the story and not just someone to be abused.

(Which this gets into an interesting conversation that I left out of that post because it would have sent me on another rambling tangent, where there are several times where Time Lords are made but they're not "true" Time Lords. Like, there's a whole episode in season 3 I think? Where the Doctor has a daughter named Jenny who was made from him but isn't a true Time Lord/has some of their abilities but not all of them/not exactly the same).

Everything that's happened in the series is because of Henward, even if it wasn't his choice through and through. He can be a character and a plot device at the same time (I'd argue that all characters are plot devices anyway but w/e). I mean, the guy's been haunting the narrative and driving the story this whole time.

Also, Henward very much does have agency of his own. After all, "Henry" did still choose to kill Virginia/allow the Shadow to kill her. And ultimately, then continuing off of my thoughts I posited in that post and what James and Em have spoken about before, Henward also has agency in what he's doing to help our protagonists. James is cooking up some posts about that right now, so stay tuned for that, but Henward isn't just sitting there. He's actively fighting against the Shadow in TFS and, most likely, is actively fighting against Vecna, the hive mind, and the MF by giving our protagonists information (ie. the lights in st1 most definitely barely being Will, but some of them being helpful enough that it has to be someone on the inside trying to help).

As for your personal feelings on it, I can't speak to that! You're fair to have those feelings/not like that direction, but I'm just working with what the show is giving me and what my friends have also noticed throughout the show. Will it happen exactly like I said in my post? Likely not! It's just something that gives me pause and makes me look at everything and go.... huh... that's interesting.

[liminalpebble]

Eddie's Education, Chapter 23

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Chapter 23

Leia awoke to the crisp autumn morning shining through her bedroom window, red and gold leaves made shadow puppets over the walls and sheets. The warm weight of Eddie's lanky body was curled up next to her.

She ran her hand through his curls lazily, enjoying their maple hue in the sunshine. The dulcet strumming of I'll Be Your Mirror drifted out from her CD player like tendrils of incense. For a blessed moment, it just felt like a lazy Sunday morning with her beloved scoundrel beside her.

Then she remembered choking as Vecna's hand clasped around her throat and the icy water enveloped her, and she shot up to sitting, a hot panic rising in her stomach.

“Hey...hey hey!! It's okay. I'm right here,” Eddie soothed, hugging her then holding her face in his hands. “There she is,” he said smiling broadly as her eyes met his, “Good morning, beautiful.”

“Eddie...did anything?”

He held her hands, “No...no, reports of anything overnight. Sherlock Shrimp over there is patched into the police scanner so we would have heard by now.” Eddie gestured over to where Dustin was snoring and drooling on the futon pillows, cherubic face scrunched against it, limbs splayed.

Leia couldn't help but laugh, and then sigh with relief. “Okay...uh let me make us all breakfast. What time is it anyway? Have you been up on watch this whole time?”

“Nah, Dustin and I took shifts. I got plenty of sleep. He stayed up a lot longer...insisted on the matter, in fact, but the little dude is pooped now.”

Leia smiled to the younger guy, saying softly, “I owe him so much...and you. Let him rest for now.”

Dustin snoozed away as late morning settled in, roused only by the smell and sizzle of Leia's cooking as she plated pancakes, eggs, and bacon. Eddie came up behind her, holding her as she worked and nuzzling into her neck. It was so comforting, the buttery smell of food, the soft cotton of his pajamas, the tickle of his hair against her cheek, and the warmth of his skin.

As if reading her mind, Eddie kissed her cheek and whispered. “I wish it could always be like this...with no threats, or fears, or monsters. But I guess we gotta get our happiness where we can.”

“Yeah,” she said dreamily, distantly, but she was roused out of her reverie as Dustin bounded up to the table like a Labrador.

“Holy shit! Leia, that smells amazing!”

She grinned sweetly. Eddie smiled then grimaced, willing the bulge in his sweatpants to settle back down, and his cock to get the memo that now was not the time.

“Thanks. Have a seat. Dig in. I have a theory I want to run by you.”

“Of course! I knew you'd have something!” he said with a gleeful expression, spearing into the fluffy stack of pancakes with gusto.

----

The clock chimed noon, at Sam's parents' house, Molly and his family were setting the Thanksgiving table and toasting the final layer of marshmallows on the sweet potato casserole. All the while, Sam slumped with a book in the recliner. Molly grimaced as she watched him mope. He was even moodier than usual. After his nightmare in the car, he hadn't been able to sleep again, and his pale skin easily displayed the purple-tinted half moons under his eyes and the red flush of his corneas.

It unsettled her. Sam was never the type to have trouble sleeping, for moral or physical reasons. He was unbothered. Nothing “kept him up at night”, although Molly had the creeping suspicion over that last few months that he'd done a few things that really ought to. As she had a thousand times before, she tucked her sensible intuition away and busied herself. Leaving the heat and bustle of the kitchen, she carried their bags to the guest room, wondering bitterly to herself why Sam couldn't put his book down for 5 minutes to do it while she was cooking.

As she turned around to leave, she flinched a little then laughed as she saw Sam in the threshold. With a hand to her chest she said, “Jesus, Sam! You scared me. Did you get some rest, baby?” She swung her arms loosely over his shoulders but he only stared her down with hard silent disapproval. “What is it?” she asked. Preparing herself for another of his knit-picking sessions, but not ready for the unprecedented harshness that would follow.

“What the fuck are you doing?”

“I...I just figured I'd take the bags in.”

He stepped closer, and as he did, she could see his skin looked damp, sweaty. When she touched his head though, it felt cold, almost icy. “Are you...are you feeling okay? I think you're getting something.”

The overhead light flickered. “The only thing I'm 'getting', Molly, is sick of you embarrassing me in front of my family,” he spat out.

“Sam...what?” she said, eyes wide.

“Embarrassing me, Molly. Surely that's not a word too big for you to understand. You made me look lazy in front of my family.”

“Sam...I'm sorry,” she said meekly as he moved closer, but his cruel green eyes didn't blink, didn't waver from boring into her until...

“Sam! Molly! Food's ready. Come sit down,” his mom called for them, above the noise of pots and pans, cutlery and conversation, and the radio.

Molly watched as he finally blinked a few times, and his eyes softened just slightly, not with kindness, but in confusion. He huffed in resignation and yelled “Be right there!” down the hall. His girlfriend followed him out, feeling about five years old and five inches tall, hiding her mortification behind a gracious smile as Thanksgiving dinner began.

----

Eddie and Dustin listened carefully to Leia as her big eyes flicked around and hands gestured wildly while she explained what she'd learned overnight. Eddie tried his best not to be distracted by how cute it was when his brilliant girl was having her “eureka!” moments.

“...and so most times when I've been visited by him, there's water involved. I'm wondering if it's so lodged in his subconscious because it's what his physical body is actual experiencing. I'm thinking, maybe he found some way to make a kind of...amniotic sack...in the upside-down to fuel himself. Somewhere he can submerge himself in the matter of the upside-down to keep himself healing, or at least in stasis. You said last time one of the portals was at the bottom of the lake? Maybe that's where he's built a nest on the other side.”

Eddie shook his head, “Yeah, the gate was there...”

“Watergate,” Dustin added, still pleased with his joke from 15 years ago.

Leia giggled. “Good one.”

Eddie huffed. “Watergate...wasn't a lake on the other side though. It was dry. He would have to fill up an area the size of a lake with whatever goo he might be hanging out in. He's powerful but probably not that powerful.”

Leia sighed and rubbed her temples, while Eddie rubbed her back. “Fuck. I thought I was on to something.”

“Don't despair, Lady Leia!” Dustin shouted, a little too loudly, “It's still good work. I think you're on to something. We just have to look somewhere else. We'll confer at the hall and let the others know what we found out. Let's pack up. I'm starving.”

“You just ate like an hour ago! And where the fuck are we going?” Eddie yelled after him, as both men threw their items haphazardly into backpacks.

Dustin looked at him, dumbstruck. “Did you forget? Thanksgiving dinner.”

Eddie looked, wide-eyed at Dustin. “Shit, is that today? Wayne's gonna kill me for not helping.

“Wait...wait...what the hell?” Leia said as Eddie put an arm around her.

“Every year all of us...uh...found friends and family, and actual family, rent out the community center hall and have a big Thanksgiving dinner together. And this year I will be in deep shit for not remembering to pick up the wine.”

“Well to be fair, we've had slightly more important things on our minds,” she said, tapping the Walkman headphones hanging around all of their necks. “or...well...potentially in our minds.”

Despite her attempt at a lightly sarcastic tone, both guys could see the deep worry in her dark eyes.

Dustin put an arm around her from the other side, “Come on, let's go. Everyone will be there. We can share what we have so far. Mike just arrived in town with El, which means we'll have reinforcements.”

----

The dark wood panels of the community center hall were festooned with decorations (both ragged and from the early 70's). Fragrant, steamy air hit their faces as the trio tumbled in from the rain. Folding tables were decked out in orange and brown cloths and laden with appetizers and paper place settings. Leia smirked, realizing the boombox in the corner was, of course, playing Alice's Restaurant. She realized everyone she'd come to consider a friend was in this room and smiling their way; Wayne, Dale, Steve, Robin, Gareth, and Jeff. They were swarmed the minute they entered, by both familiar and unfamiliar faces. Everyone was hugging and greeting Eddie and Dustin enthusiastically.

Leia was feeling overwhelmed, rusty when it came to joining or belonging socially, worried that she was in the way. She was about to back into a corner, when Eddie's ringed fingers curled gently around her elbow and he flashed her a proud, dimpled grin. “Hey, sweetheart, where you going? I can't wait to introduce you to everyone. Eddie the Freak wants to show off this goddess on his arm,” he said kissing her shamelessly in front of everyone, turning her cheeks a bright red. She waved shyly as Eddie introduced her to a group of slightly younger adults he called the “squirts” and the “Hellfire Alums” despite their actual ages. To her relief they were all smiles and seemed genuinely glad to meet her.

A tall skinny guy with a mop of black hair shook her hand and said, “Nice to finally meet you, Leia. I'm Mike. Dustin...uh...appraised us of the situation. We've all...well...been through this before. We'll eat we'll make a strategy.”

There was a young woman holding his hand, silent with thought up to this point. Her hair and eyes were the pretty color of brown sugar, and though she had something warm, pixie-like and innocent about her, there was a deep wisdom and understanding in her expression, like a Greek oracle. She stepped forward and held Leia's hands.

“We won't let you go through this alone,” she said, meeting her eyes, full of sincerity and empathy. “I've been where you are. I know who you're fighting.”

Dustin said proudly, “Leia, this is El. She's our...superhero.”

@sweetsigyn @leelei1980 @little-wormwood @veemoon

[awesome-opossum-after-hours]

so I saw someone else do this and I wanna put mine out to the internet SO- here's my stranger things s5 wishlist

-Hopper-Byers family [trauma-] bonding

-specifically involving Jonathan, like with either parent tbh

-"Byers Twins" teaming up... possibly super powers involved? like either Will has hidden powers or El helps him get some

-Wayne involvement PLEASE

-going off the former, bc the Duffers said the parents were getting involved, Dustin somehow setting up his mom and Wayne

-as sad as it is, explore Dustin's trauma

-Lucas's too, and honestly maybe they'd bond over it and help each other? they were such a great duo in seasons 1 and 2 and I want that back

-Steve and Robin have a new job at some sort of stupid children's pizza place lmao (Freddy Fasbear core hahaha)

-but in all seriousness they need to still keep a running gag of them having a job together at a new place every season

-badass Karen Wheeler teaming up with Nancy

-overall more parent/child bonding now that the parents will be involved ig?

-Eddie somehow PLEASE, ideally back from the dead but it seems more likely that they'd bring him back as a Vecna vision (that'd rip me to shreds but hey at least more content)

-feel like this is self explanatory but Max being okay

-BUT FIRST, Vecna using her as a puppet

-more of a theory I have that I want to be correct, but I want them to show where she is, if she's alive but El couldn't find her. since Max wasn't totally gone when Vecna got disintegrated, what if she's trapped in Vecna's mindscape?

-badass Erica moment. spoiler alert she actually single-handedly defeata Vecna by roasting him so goddamn hard he cannot recover

-please not let this end badly but I want a Steve and Dustin callback to the "no. if you die, I die" line. AGAIN tho nothing bad should come of it please

-let Sam Owens be alive. #justice for Sam

-let Dart somehow come back and help save Dustin #justice for Dart

-Mike and Nancy acting like actual siblings but like not just fighting. like, looking after each other

-holly being sentient, yk she'll be about 10/11 it's about damn time

-IF he does come back, I want a fucking Twilight-style scene to For Whom the Bell Tolls where the camera spans the Upside Down around the trailer, dramatically and all that. on the last bell chime in the intro when the bass starts, it zooms into Eddie, laying dead on the ground. a gnarly hand reaches into frame in front of his face, and Eddie's eyes fly open. boom roll credits as the song goes on

-lastly, I do not care WHO he gets this with. even if it's some rando. but I NEED a scene at the end where we see Steve driving a Winnebago, hair blowing in the wind, with his six little nuggets that he deserves. when they arrive at their destination, we see everyone [who survives lmao] possibly with their future families, setting up a little campfire and connecting like the goddamn wonderful little Found Family they are!!!

[willel]

Do you think the demogorgon in S1 had the ability to "scan" things and minds around him, like Vecna, if it was controlled by him? I wonder if he scanned things around the lab once it escaped (like the terminators if you’ve seen the movies) like the Byers’ house, and maybe saw something about Will that made him a target? On the other hand, it didn’t seem to notice Nancy when she fell in the upside down through the tree.

That is an interesting question.

I always viewed the Demogorgon from S1 like possessed Will or Billy. Probably no "powers" of its own, but a perfect puppet for Vecna to use to interact with the real world. Whether that be killing people, kidnapping people, opening mini gates/tears opening doors with telekinesis, etc. I viewed all that as Vecna's powers, not the Demogorgon.

But if the Demogorgon is just like Will and Billy, why didn't Vecna use telekinesis and whatnot while using Will and Billy's bodies?

It could be that creatures like the Demogorgon are inherently "psychic", so it's easy to use them as a conduit to use his own powers (such as telekinesis).

Or maybe the Demogorgon has those powers as well, allowing Vecna to use them easy peasy (the tear opening power certainly wasn't Vecna's)

But to answer your question, no. I don't think Vecna used his scanning abilities to map out Hawkins. Firstly, he already knows what the lab looks like, I doubt it changed THAT much in the 4-5 years he was sent away. Secondly, we saw his scanning abilities. He cannot see objects or buildings or landscapes, he only saw people. Specifically people who seemed to be suffering with some kind of trauma.

The Demogorgon in the grand scheme of things probably didn't "see" anything, just sensed stuff. If the theory that the Demogorgon/Vecna mistook Will for El is true, that would definitely fit.

When it comes to seeing, using Will, Billy, and the rest of the flayed from season 3 was much more useful to gather visual information.

But anyway, good question! No scanning involved since from what we saw, scanning only finds people. BUT not being able to "see" through the demogorgon really seems to check a lot of boxes as to how Will could've gotten confused for El that night. Especially if the Demogorgon was sensing something "special" about Will and because of that, couldn't tell the difference between Will and El.

[alcalystrasz]

I know you've been waiting for it. So... Here's my first theory about Stranger Things 5 :

(No Spoilers, just a theory)

Theory n°1 : Vecna's crazy role this season.

Alright, I'd like to start first with a resume about the 4 lasts seasons. For the three firsts seasons it's kind of my thoughts because Vecna never really explained his role during these three seasons, so I'll try to make it logical.

Season 1 -> Will gets kidnapped into the Upside Down.

If we remember what Vecna said to Nancy in S4, he says he was a sensitive, lonely kid. He was good at drawing, and he always felt different. You know who's EXACTY like that? Yup, Will. So in my opinion, he kidnapped Will in the first place because he was like him. But why keeping him so long without killing him? Because Will's good at hiding? No. We learn in the book about him being in the Upside Down what actually happened to him. He said he tried multiple times to "kill himself" like getting the Demogorgons to eat him, but whenever they got the chance they turned back. So I think Vecna was controlling the Demogorgons in order to not kill Will. He maybe wanted to test him, or keep him here until he could be able to do something with him. Take over him, get inside his body, or other stuff... So then Will's finally saved, but it doesn't end for him.

Season 2 -> Will gets possessed by the Mind Flayer.

So this season, Vecna probably wanted to test Will more, or, this time, to take him in his side, since they have the same personality. So he got the Mind Flayer and sent it to possess Will. However, in the end, Joyce made it to remove the creature from his body. That, of course, made Vecna mad, especially when El closed the gate. But, fortunately for him, it wasn't the end.

Season 3 -> The Flesh Mind Flayer wants to kill Eleven.

Russians opened an other door, which is why he was able to control the Mind Flayer through the Upside Down. Cause if the gate is closed, no more control and the Mind Flayer "dies." Which is what happened at the end of season 3 by the way. But, why willing to Kill El, and not controlling more Mike now? Simple question. She's always changing his plans and that annoys him. So killing her off would be the best to get Will to join him in is...what? Army? Maybe. But she managed to destroy the Mind Flayer, once again, with everyone else this time. That is when Vecna got super mad and finally decided to go in the nature and kill some teenagers. Yeah, let's go Henry!

Season 4 -> Vecna wants to kill Eleven.

Sooooo.... So far, Vecna was not a good master to his puppets (got the ref?), so he decided to be the big master, without puppets this time. We learn in the late season, that the more he kills, the more he becomes stronger, so he's like "Yeah let's go kill, to be come stronger." Logic. So he went down to kill, but not nobody, random teens with past traumas who feel guilt. Chrissy, Fred, Patrick... then El went to fight him, and honestly watching this I was like "Bitch are you nuts he's stronger?" And he, in fact was. The only reason El managed to get out of those vines she was trapped in was with Mike's words (sort of). So she then finally beat the ass out of him and he, of course, got totally BURNED by the fruity three (rip Eddie). But then what? We see he got away with it, he's still alive, and we learn from Will's words (oh weird?) that he's still alive, he's hurt, but he's there. And he doesn't want to kill just El or her friends now, but everyone in Hawkins. So it isn't about saving them anymore but the whole town.

So, now considering all that. Here's finally my theory:

We know Vecna wanted to control or make Will join him in the first two season, and it was logic, cause they're alike, they're sensitive, lonely, they feel different from other people and they're good in arts. During these seasons, Vecna probably wanted to observe and understand Will's behavior in some circumstances. Like what if he gets into this world like Vecna got into? He's traumatized? Oh shit. Well how about his personality changes completely like Vecna. He's also traumatized? Well that's a bummer.

What I'm trying to say is that Will and Vecna are very connected even now. Before, with Will's presence in the Upside Down and true sight, but also now because he also and still feels him behind his neck, like before. He was trying to, small steps by small steps, leading him to join him. And that'd what I want to point out.

I think, Vecna will try to finally make Will join him. BUT, Will, of course, won't accept. So I imagine Vecna putting Will in a sort of transe state, like he did with his four other victims, and maybe show him some moments in his life, that shows how miserable and how sad his life is, and that he'll be way better and stronger if he came with him. But Will will refuse. Why? He may be sensitive, a little naive and sometimes stupid, let's be honest, he's not going to let Vecna take him, because there's one thing that'll make him stay: MIKE FUCKING WHEELER. So I imagine, then Vecna putting his big ass hand on his face and that'll make Will float, just like in season 4 with Max and the other kids. But instead of being killed (cause it's Will, like, bro, come on), he can take a piece of wood or I don't know what but something sharp that he finds. You didn't understand? Let me explain: I imagine this, happen at the exact same place it happened to Max, that's why I said a piece of wood. WHO CARES? SO THEN HE TAKES THAT, AND BOOM, in the eye of Vecna, his left eye to be precise. Why? Don't you remember what Eddie said in his DnD campagne? :

"He's not only missing his left arm, but his LEFT EYE!"

So that's why I think Will could destroy his left eye, as a foreshadowing to what Eddie said (I mean why not?). Vecna would then be hurt again, and let Will go, but he could try to stop him, but not the same way as Max, nah that was too iconic, we need something more Byers, more Will... more William Byers... he could try to stop him by making him hear horrible things Mike told him, like in the rain fight of season 3, or the Rink O'Mania one... But he'd manage to finally get out of this, with the help of Mike's words also, cause I clearly see Mike talking to him. Maybe even a parallel, to what Will said while he had to get El out of Vecna's tentacles "You're the heart", but this time it is Jonathan Damn Byers who says it to Mike. Like, that'd be banger, just saying.

So what next? I already said he could try to take Will by his side, now what? Remember, in season 4 we learn the more he kills, the more he's strong. So I think, he'll try to get to kill all the characters we know, before killing whole Hawkins. Let me explain:

We know that everytime Vecna kills, he uses people's past trauma, in which they feel guilt. Who has past traumas with guilt? Yeah, almost everyone. So here's a quick resume and explanation of what could happen to almost all the characters.

-Nancy's targeted -> past trauma: Barbara's death -> saved by Steve or Jonathan. So why Steve or Jonathan? They're her two loves, be for real. However I see more Steve than Jonathan, but Jonathan could also be possible so it's between both.

-Jonathan's targeted -> past trauma: Will's disappearance in S1 -> saved by Steve. So why Steve? To show Jonathan that they're not enemies anymore, and that they could totally be friends. But it could also be Dustin, his bestfriend, or Robin, his girl bestfriend. But I have something else for Robin...

-Dustin's targeted -> past trauma: Eddie's death -> saved by Steve or Mike. Steve cause he's his bestfriend, but also why not Mike, because they both knew Eddie, and Mike could help him going through this because he also went through it.

-Lucas's targeted -> past trauma: Max's coma state/death -> saved by Erica. I say /death because we don't know if she will actually survive in season 5...

-Will's targeted -> past trauma: tons. Vecna wants him to join him -> saved by Mike.

So I have atleast 5 people that could be targets of Vecna, as for others... not sure what could happen to them. There's still: Steve, Joyce, Hopper, Murray (lol), Erica, Robin, Mike and Suzie (why not). I know Steve doesn't have past traumas he's feeling guilty for, but that's for another theory, along with Robin. Joyce, Murray and Hopper are adults, not sure they could be targetted. As for Erica and Suzie.... Erica doesn't feel guilty about anything, and she's younger so I think Vecna, has a small heart, and will let her live, and Suzie... it's Suzie... I mean... yeah, I think she's safe. However there are still characters we didn't talk about: Karen, Ted, Holly and the other family members of Lucas and Dustin. We know that the series really centered on the Byers and Wheeler family, but never on the Henderson's or Sinclair. So... there's a reason behind that. But it is for another theory.

So to resume, what is Vecna's crazy role this season? Well he's going to turn into a serial killer, trying to kill atleast 4 of our characters and make 1 try to join his army. But he's also going to do more, such as... destroying the Wheeler's house. I'm not kidding. After seeing a "spoiler" of ST5, that I know isn't real (it was clearly fake cause other stuff were like nonsense), I was like "yo it could be a great idea actually." So I imagined a really dramatic scene where, after his 5 tries, Vecna gets mad and tries to make fall the house of the Wheelers. Why? Maybe because everyone could reunite there and talk about a plan or something, when weird shit started to happen. Because it's a 2/3 years time jump, so the first episode is probably going to be them chilling in Hawkins and at the end, BOOM, Vecna's back bitch. And there he could have the opportunity to kill some people, but truth is... no one will die. They're all going to be saved, because they're all geniuses. But it could be a huge dramatic scene anyway. Or maybe if someone HAS to die, it'd be logic if it was either Karen, either Ted, or either Holl- nah just kidding. If one of the parents die, it could create a trauma for Mike, but that's for again, an other theory.

So what's next for Vecna? Honestly, if the Dragon we got foreshadowed since season 1 happens... I think Vecna's role won't be really interesting, so I keep my s5 vision without any Dragon. But I do see him trying to kill, so target, a lot of our characters...

That wasn't the best of my theories though. But, more theories soon, some better and cooler, but as for now, tell me what you think about this one, in the comments or as reblogs!

Thanks for reading all that by the way <3

...I probably am going to add more in this post, if I think about it, but I think I said everything I have to say...

[henrysglock]

I know I haven't seen the play, but from what you've said about it, it gives me the impression that Henry was special and that the mindflayer wasn’t interested in (or was unable to) completely consuming him like it usually does. That makes me wonder about Will’s role in S5, because in S2, it seemed like the mindflayer was fully intent on erasing him. Do you think its plans have changed?

Honestly, I'm mostly just confused about what the hell Will's role will be in S5, that's the real mystery to me lol

Because Henry/Vecna/whatever seemed to be all about El, are they really going to make him interested in Will all of a sudden? Doubtful

It does just seem to be interested in kids who have powers or the next best thing: kids who are close to kids who have powers.

They do really double down on it not being able to take full control of Henry/him having to allow the Mindflayer to take over (whether it be because he wants it to OR because he's emotionally/mentally incapacitated, the latter of which is the case 90% of the time).

With Captain Brenner, who doesn't seem to have had any abilities even after his exposure to Dimension X, it seems like the Mindflayer consumed him almost immediately, and he was used as something of a sleeper agent that only reactivated when Henry was nearby. Something something...

So it really does seem like Captain Brenner and Will and the Flayed were all in the same boat, rather that Henry and Will being the same. Henry in TFS is very much more like a flayed version of El, which has me once again suspiciously looking at NINA and the "join me" thing from 4.07 "Henry".

Like...I fear it's always been about getting to the kids with powers—specifically the kids who can open gates, since these first two Broadway performances have featured Henry opening a gate—and that's a message that has persisted since ST3. It very much sounds like Will was a means to an end to find El (<-I say as if the VR game didn't say that verbatim). Vecna has never overtly cared about Will, and the Mindflayer hasn't cared about Will since it traded off to Billy. I don't see much of this changing unless getting to Will somehow becomes useful, which it may if the Mindflayer is trying to get to El (see: sleeper agent being puppeted to get to a kid with gate powers).

When it comes to Will's role in ST5...I really do have to wonder if he's going to have much of an overt supernatural role at all. If anything, I think it'll come down to his neck tingles or possibly him being reactivated as a sleeper agent, but that's about it as far as I can see.

None of this, of course, asks the question of why the Mindflayer is trying so hard to open gates. And of course I have my theories, which have only been solidified by Broadway's Captain Brenner and the new Russian Operative bit about stealing pieces of retrieved Mindflayer. I truly wouldn't be shocked if the Mindflayer has just been trying to retrieve the stolen/hostage pieces of itself this whole time.

[aemiron-main]

Hi ! I just saw your post about demorgons having a connexion to henry's mother's death. It could imply that henry shares will's bond with the upside down, kind of ?

I'd also like to know what other theories related to vecna and stuff you reconize, and how they fit with yours, i think it would be interesting.

I didnt read a lot of your post other then the whole edward thing so i apologies if you already have answered this.

Also sorry for the confusing spelling of the words sometimes, im still learning english.

I hope you have a good day ! Your theories are really nice.

HELLO, ANON!!! :DD

I definitely think that there’s a connection there that Will has to the UD and a connection that Henry has to the UD, and you bring up a very interesting point about the Demogorgon possibly killing Henry’s mother as a result of the Demogorgon having a connection with Henry. That’s a really neat way of looking at it, and it’s something that I’m going to keep in mind while I dig further into the Creel murders! There’s also the added aspect of Henry and Edward having a connection, and the idea of the UD having originally been Edward’s normal timeline before something happened to it to make it all blue and full of creatures-so, I wonder if Henry having a connection to the UD/the Demogorgon is tied to his connection to Edward at all? Especially if Edward lacked the ability to open gates (which is something Vecna, who is likely Edward, says that he couldn’t do), but the Demogorgon is able to tear right through the wall in S1 to get from the UD to the RU (although part of why the Demogorgon is able to do that in S1 is because the Mothergate had weakened the barrier between worlds/acted like a crack in the dam), so I wonder if any connection between Henry, Edward, and the Demogorgon is also connected to Edward trying to open a gate into Henry’s timeline? There’s just so much to consider with this, you’ve got me thinking for sure, anon!

And omg as far as any other theories RE: Vecna rhat might connection to some of my theories, my memory sucks, so I’m trying to think of some other theories off the top of my head, and I know that there’s the theory that Vecna will use Eddie Munson’s corpse as a puppet/a vessel in Season 5, and I think that would be a good way to further solidify that narrative connection between Vecna and Eddie, and reinforce the subtext that Vecna is Edward Creel/bring that information from being subtext into being outright text.

And no need to apologize at all! I haven’t gotten any of these questions before! And also no need to apologize about spelling things, your ask isn’t confusing at all!!

Thank you so much!! <3333 And I hope you have a good day too!