#unrecorded deities

[hidden-grove-archives]

. : Introduction to the Hidden Grove : .

So I never really connected with any form of fair folk. However, we don’t know much about the nordic elves. This was how I created the idea of the hidden grove.

Most classifications of Fae are good and evil fae. However, since the fae are nature spirits, I never really understood that. So my classifications are the ‘Order Court’ and the ‘Wilderness Court’. They both represent the balance and chaos of nature.

Archelves are the ‘deities’ of this pantheon. They are rulers and have god-like powers. They have attendants who share some influence with them, and children that are heirs to their power.

The Order court represent the laws of nature. They are the balance keepers of the natural world, and are very formal.

The Wilderness court represent the wild sides of nature. They are the ups and downs of the natural world, and can be mischievous.

I’ll be making guides to the archelves, their children, and their attendants and how to work with them! As with many fae-like beings, be sure to use etiquette when interacting with them.

Thanks for reading!

xx

~ Sam

TABLE OF CONTENTS

The Basics

Archelf Classifications

General Etiquette

The Archelves of the Order Court

WIP!

The Archelves of the Wilderness Court

WIP!

[knightofhylia]

Junalakvi

History and Name: named after the Primordial Change, Junalah. A month to show reverance for the dead, care for the dying, heal the sick and harvest what you sowed. Modern interpretations incorporate his mate, Hota/Hota'stihe, also making it a good time for commitments and relationship renewals.

Role:

A long time ago when I was working with my deities I asked them all what their 'role' was by pulling 3 Tarot cards (This is when my Zelda deck was all I had).

Five of Pentacles

Illness, Lack of Security, Supportive Friends,

Seven of Wands

Perserverance, facing challenges, threat

Temperance

Creating, Experimenting, integration,balance

From this I interpret that his role is to help people face insecurity with perseverance and balance.

Lore and Description:

Appearance:

(2015 era depictions)

Jun is tall, dark skinned, with blue eyes and dark auburn hair. He was the last person born on Akelkiah before it was sealed in the ocean.After losing his arms to Chele, he either has prosthetics or uses his aura for telekinesis. His face marks can change usually between mimicking mourners tears, to a gaunt skeleton face.

UPG story:

For my first year I actually had October be Saikvi as well, giving them two months instead of one. Then I get kept 29 or 2 and 9 in my tarot readings, which has always been Jun's number. I confirmed with a pendulum that it was indeed supposed to be Jun and Hota's kvi, not Sai lol. literally tricked by the dEviL

Correspondences:

Animals -black dogs, canines, coyotes, deer, game animals

Astrology - Cancer, Pluto , Saturn

Beverage - Beer,

Color - Black, cyan, ivory, silver

Crystals - obsidian, onyx, jet, carnelian, golden healer

Emotions - grief, isolation, kinship

Epithets: The Shepherd, The Reaper, The Grimm

Flower - Marigold, Mums

Fruit - Apples, pumpkins

Food - Honey, caramel +/- chocolate, butterscotch, Halloween candy

Herbs - Skullcap, hyssop, cannabis

Keywords - Death, change, cycles, transform, alchemy, radiation

Kvi - October, symbolizing the death of summer

Meme - Skeleton war, shit boy I die,

Metal - Iron, Steel,

Musical Expression - Folk, indie, grunge, jrock, anime music

Number - 29 (a number associated with Endings)

Playlist - apoptosis

Mythical Animal - Black Dog, NotDeer,

Physical Expression - Cold

Sense - Dread

Symbol -

[fernthewhimsical]

Lady of Flowers Menu

In our discord group for constructed pantheons we had a little weekly challenge to think about which foods fit with one of your deities. I was reminded of a menu I once saw that someone made for their deity (I think Neptune?) and was inspired to make a little menu of my own.

This is for my Lady of Flowers, Venaris, Queen of Spring, Goddess of flowers, love, and joy

Entree: Bread with floral compound butter [X] Soup: Radish soup with yoghurt [X] Main: Edible flower spring rolls [X] Dessert: Pistacio rose panna cotta tart [X] Palette Cleanser/more dessert because you need it: Edible flower tea popsicles [X]

[dateaforestgod]

date a forest god whose name has never been definitively recorded, and even much later epithets are only rarely known

[sword-in-the-sea]

✷ some silly interactions i've had with local gods & spirits ✷

//blue texts in a conversation are their words

lighting incenses for them, or sharing my kretek cigarette when i smoke with them. the scent of burnt spices and herbs feels like home

an javanese god who looks like a 40-yrs-old javanese man with leathery skin and calloused working hands, responding "bapakmu, le." (it's like a your mom joke, but to express disbelief and irritation. literally translates to "your dad, son (derogatory)".) to a dumb rethoric i made

"what are you doing?" "hiding." "in my bathroom??"

in response to seeing an incorporeal lady dressed in all white while going to the bathroom, my first reflex is to grab the bug spray

seeing a pair of child's feet behind my own and having a momentary cardiac arrest before i realised what's happening. looking to the side to the incorporeal children with a frown as i said, "...can you not."

"(in distress) please give my ring back, i'm rather attached to it." (sudden silence before my ring fell out of thin air right beside my feet) "...thank you."

bodyslamming a monkey-like creature who was sent as a santet (curse) to my house at 1 am

"can someone please get that ghostly child away from the stairs, i nearly had a heart attack seeing him crawling up and down."

giving a non-human home intruder bombastic side eye until they left

additionally, staring contest with them until they left

"le (son), it's 3 am which is the time where humans go to sleep. some even call it the demon (witching) hour and would avoid being awake at this hour." "..your point?" "why are you awake cooking instant noodles?"

"le, that tree can't survive here. the sun doesn't hit it well."

the goddess lady whom guarded the forest where i had a summer camp in; who wore a kebaya and apologised to me because her children possessed a camp counselor out of fear and defense response. the strange feeling of acknowledgement as we both nodded to eachother before parting ways

the old gods in kerep, ambarawa who never failed to greet me whenever i made a trip back to ambarawa

the stoic silence of the jogjakartan court of old gods. yet even in their stillness, there's a comfortable acceptance of me amongst them whenever i visited

"you can return whenever you need to. this is your Home, you are Ours. no matter how far you've voyaged, you can always return. this is your Home and no one can take that away from you."

the two tigers who followed me all the way to dublin and back home as i studied abroad

✷✷✷

[xartus]

What to Expect When You Aren't Expecting

Or, when that deity isn't recorded

Out of my micro pantheon that I worship, 1 deity is an unrecorded deity. The rest or either recorded or very, VERY archaic versions of recorded deities.

What does one do if they think they're encountering an unrecorded deity?

My first advice- double check yourself. Are you absolutely certain this is a deity that you've been interacting with and not a deep facet of your own mind? All too common is to mistake your own thoughts for their words (this words for all deities tbh)

Next, exhaust all options. I mean do crazy research, leave no avenues unchecked in any pantheon. If you find a match that sings with your heart, then that's a good sign. If you find matches that sort of fit, or fit maybe a little, its more evidence that the deity is unrecorded. When I say do research, I mean some deep sea Marianas trench diving shit.

Once all options have been exhausted, examine in depth your relationship with the deity and their aspects and roles. This is helpful in formulating who they are after you figured out who they *aren't*. Once academic research is over, then its appropriate to listen to "vibes" and things like that.

This deity would be one you can't pin down, who may go by a recorded name but definitely isn't *that* god, who's been with you awhile while you've been trying to figure them out. Who's gone through stages of evolution and question and thought within your mind. A deity that just doesn't make sense, dammit.

Kernunos Pater is that deity for me, and his name is one that I've just made up based on aspect and relationship. He came to me first as "Carnonos" but that just means horned one, and there's a lot of horned ones. He's been with me that I consciously know of for almost 10 years, and he absolutely fits no other deity I can find anywhere. I have to go based on subjective personal experience with him because there's nothing else out there, and that type of knowledge and experience is my absolute last that I consult. That's how I know he's unrecorded.

[temple-of-daneh]

Supreme Danéh

Supreme Danéh, infinite God,

who creates and destroys universes by thinking,

Listen to my petitions, O Good one,

my God Danéh, you I worship

[serpentface]

The polecat is the most common domesticated ratter and companion animal in the eastern Inner Seaway lands.

Their wild ancestors are less solitary than most mustelids, though do not have particularly complex social structures. Females (usually related) will accumulate in groups of 2-10 individuals (up to 30 in exceptional cases of high prey availability), sharing a territory and den site. Males form their own territories, which will overlap heavily with those of females.

The social hierarchy of these groups is mostly based upon age, with the eldest individuals claiming the best den sites and access to resources and mates. Their social behavior includes allogrooming, sharing of dens, and occasional sharing of prey. Their social bonds are not strongly reinforced, however. They provide no mutual care for young (and dominant females are known to kill the young of low ranking females when prey is scarce), and colonies will readily divide and disperse when their population wholly outstrips prey availability. They often move over open terrain in loose groups as means of defense against predators, but do not hunt cooperatively. Their favored prey is rodents, but they will take birds, small lizards and snakes, and the occasional large insect. They will occasionally coordinate group attacks against large threats (particularly snakes, which threaten their pups within dens).

It is not clear where or when they were domesticated. They likely domesticated themselves in conjunction with early farming practices, preying on the rodents that were attracted to grain stores and gradually being accommodated to and appreciated by human farmers. Wild polecats that could ostensibly be their ancestors can be found on both sides of the Mouth of the seaway, and evidence of domesticated polecats stretches back to prehistory on both sides as well. This would suggest either separate domestication events, or an unrecorded crossing of the Mouth by boats and possible human settlement event during the neolithic period (as most human settlement east of the Inner Seaway occurred in the paleolithic and was a long, slow, roundabout dispersal over land).

Domesticated polecats are frequently kept around as ratters. They are not as efficient as cats over open terrain, but are fairly effective with their ability to fit into confined spaces in pursuit of prey. The domestication process has rendered them more inclined towards close socialization than their wild ancestors, and they readily bond with their owners and with other unrelated polecats. Feral colonies are most distinct from wild colonies in that they form tighter social bonds and practice extensive alloparenting, with mothers often allowing unrelated young in the same colony to suckle, and sometimes even adopting orphans. Feral polecats have interbred with and/or displaced wild ones in many parts of their range, and true wild polecats are increasingly rare.

The Burri deity Tingari is the goddess of granaries, and she is often depicted as a polecat, or with one in each hand. Polecat figurines are placed in granaries to confer the goddess' protection from rodents, insects, rot and disease. This practice has been naturalized in many places formerly colonized by Imperial Bur, though often as a general ward against grain pestilence or integrated into native religious conventions rather than as representations of the Burri god.

[fernthewhimsical]

Very interesting, thank you! And I love honouring your sailing ancestors on Talk like a Pirate Day, that is awesome.

I had my first celebration outside of the pagan/wiccan Wheel of the Year yesterday, and did it much the same. Light a candle, say a prayer, read poetry, and share some tasty tea <3.

I've been reading about your Forgotten Ones and it's really inspiring. You talk about holy days that are tied to natural occurrences, such as seeing the first snowdrops. If it's not too personal, would you mind expanding a bit on that? How do you celebrate these days that can sneak up on you?

I'm sure there's much to elaborate on in regards to the timing of my holy days... Most of them are tied to some natural occurrence rather than a date. Some are simple signs, like the first X of the season, some are a little more complicated to calculate - like the height of firefly season, or the first thunderstorm after the Autumnal equinox. But each indicator relates back to the entity(ies) that the holy day focuses on somehow, like the First Robin indicating a holy day for Wren - who is associated with birds, wind, and weather. I have a few days that are more set, like Long Night, which takes place on the Winter solstice, or the day I set aside for my sailing ancestors - which doesn't have a particular name, but it takes place on Talk Like a Pirate Day every year.

I tend to keep my rituals and celebrations pretty simple, and I do basically the same thing for each holy day from year to the other, so when a day turns out to be a holy day I'm never caught too flat footed. Most rituals involve offerings, prayers, and some kind of devotional activity tailored to the entity(ies) the day focuses on. For instance, just yesterday I was completely surprised be the snowfall we got and that fact that it actually stuck, signifying that it was First Fall. This holy day celebrates two entities, my god of the Sun, fire, and inspiration, and my god of stories and songs. The ritual for it was lighting a bunch of candles (since I don't have a fireplace anymore), cooking and offering a meal and a wintry cocktail, and then indulging in stories and songs to distract from the snow and the cold winds. No planning needed, it's the same thing I do every time the first snowfall accumulates enough to stick around.

The bigger issue is when two days with very different celebrations happen at the same time, which is rare. But this year First Robin Day and Lady's Flower happened on the same day because of the early thaw we had. Normally I see a robin before it's warm enough for any flowers, but not this year. So I tried to figure out how to combine one celebration that is supposed exalt the joy of warmer weather coming with childlike glee and a very somber observance sacrifice. They didn't blend well, so I sort of just did a double feature - one right after the other. But again, both were simple enough that I had what I needed on hand, just around the house.

[khaire-traveler]

Help! recently, i was overwhelmed by a feeling of presence and overwhelming euphoria, with a revalation about a god/godess/godex? It wont specify, but feels femmine? (but also refers to itself as father,mother,parent, etc all three) Ive only felt it twice, but each time has been bliss, like full on amazing. It sort of gave me an idea of its worship: Pleasure is the ultimate goal for life, and that can mean anything you take pleasure in (ex art,music, friends, sex, yada yada). The only rule is that your pleasure dosnt ruin others. (which seems like a pretty chill one.) It feels very connected to the physical body and the experience of life, but im not sure.When i tried to comprehend too much of it, id get confused, and loose the connection. It feels almost otherworldly, like i cant fully understand its form. Are there any gods similar to this, or is this something new and personel to me? -@solarbeamz (please tag me so i can see the reply)

Hey there, @solarbeamz , thanks for the ask!

I cannot speak for any deities, and my guess is solely a suggestion. This reminds me a lot of Dionysus. I'd say that the description gives me strong Dionysian vibes in general, so it could even be a nymph or satyr that accompanies him. It also reminds me a bit of Aphrodite, especially with the emphasis on mother/father/parent and pleasure. Maybe you're dealing with two deities, or a deity from another pantheon that I'm unfamiliar with. I'd highly recommend that you try to research different gods of pleasure, ecstasy, and euphoria; see if you can come up with anything different that resonates with you. When you feel you've found the deity, I'd recommend confirming with divination or the like.

I would suggest you communicate with the deity however you feel most comfortable (meditation, prayer, automatic writing, tarot, etc.). Maybe they can give you more information about their identity. It's also possible that, like you suggested, this is an experience personal to you. I've heard of people worshipping unrecorded deities before, so maybe that's the case here.

Whatever you decide to do, trust your own judgement and intuition. Communicating with the deity again would likely be helpful in trying to discover who it is, in my experience. I hope this helped in some way, and have a good day/night. 🧡

[identity-coining]

Dreadful Ones Ficto-Religion

The Dreadful Ones, in a sense, are a broader category (or pantheon of pantheons) for Eldritch Entities a person on the Dreadful Path might follow. Not all Entities are necessarily fictional, but the Dreadful Ones encompasses them as well. Some eldritch entities already have set rituals and traditions, which would be known as Dreadful Traditions.

By its inherit nature as a broader term, Dreadful Ones could be considered an umbrella term for Ficto-religions such as Horror Faith, Lovingcraftian (not to be mistaken for Lovecraftian) and its subgroups, Avatars of the Archive, and so forth. This of respective faiths/paths/spirituality do not have to consider themselves aligned with the Dreadful Ones, and vice versa.

Many who follow the Dreadful Ones may be PCP (Pop Culture Pagans), but not all may be necessarily be so, as Lovecraftian is already becoming it's own standing belief, and there are eldritch entities who already long standing, such as the Leviathan.

Practice and belief may vary upon the source material, and individuals will have different interpretations on the chaos magic(k) that bring such entities into being, such as but no limited to: manifestation/thoughtform, parallel worlds, unrecorded pantheon, dormant deities, and so forth.

All in all, the Dreadful Ones and their respective Dreadful Path are one the lures the heart whom gazes upon the dark sun.

"May the Ceaseless Watcher avert their gaze on us." —The Magnus Archives

[knightofhylia]

2024 Kaleikvi altar featuring her doll vessel!! I added some twist on lights to add some spotlights.

[fernthewhimsical]

Thanks for answering, both!

I'm toying with the idea, but mostly I was just nosy and curious, lol

Did you ever do a spell or ritual to welcome the Court into your life, or to place godhood upon them? Like Stag said at some point that it's a tag or hat you place on them?

I'm very casual in my worship so it mostly started with me just being like 'Hey, I appreciate you. I'mma buy some jewelry so I can think about you more often!'

At one point I WANTED to make a charm bracelet for them but just never got around to doing it but I do have some personal pieces of jewelry that I wear when I want to be more connected with certain members.

[fernthewhimsical]

hi there, im also worshipping an unrecorded deity and was wondering if u feel comfortable sharing how u got your gods' names, domains (for lack of a better word) and preferred offerings? i've been struggling to figure out the offerings with mine, and got a weirdly human name

she's definitely a goddess and not a spirit of the dead, though! i'm just wondering if it's possible i misheard her name, i guess? ||

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Hi Anon!

So some came to me with their name, like in a dream. Others I gave names myself and figured if they did not like them, they would let me know, lmao. Now to expand a bit on that.

When my unrecorded gods came to me they first came as a concept. Let's take Lotweaver as an example. They came to me as a deity of fate, a *weaver* of fate. From there I started expanding and looking into what else would fit them. I highly recommend this discussion on spheres of influences for that, which will also help you with the "domains" and finding offerings.

From there I felt it out and experimented. Did this fit? How does it feel to me? Is this logical to be paired with Fate? Like Luck? Some things are a yes, some things are a maybe????? At which point I will use divination and/or work with that aspect for a while to see if it clicks.

For names I started looking into old Dutch for the unrecorded gods who did not already have names. So for Lotweaver, I looked at terms like "luck" "fate" but also parts of a loom, thread, tapestry, anything that could fit. And I waited for that spark that told me I was right. And it came with Lycke, which means luck.

And sometimes I'm wrong. For Venaris I went through many names before ending up with the name I first started with. It's a work in progress, it can always shift and change. Give yourself space to maneuver and be wrong. You'll work it out in the end.

[leannan-sithe]

hey!!!! i recently learned the term godspousing and didn't know if that also encompassed dating an unrecorded spirit that is not a deity or god. i also heard you had a discord server just by scrolling through your posts. i feel really seen and understand by this term and I was wondering if the server was open to new members and if so if I could privately message to join? sending this on anon bc my spiritual blog is a sideblog. thank you for your time. <:-]

Sure! Send me a message so we can chat a bit. We have a couple requirements to join the server that I need to check on first.

Godspousing is generally limited to gods when other folks talk about it, but our server, and a lot of the folks on it, consider dating/marrying/wooing spirits and other entities to be parallel experiences. We share enough common ground that we can share a server, instead of rejecting people who are struggling with the incorporeal nature of their relationship just because it's "not a god".

[cryptidsmagick]

Welcome to the Blog!

Hey everyone! We're an eclectic crooked path warlock. That's right, a warlock, as in oath breaker, yadda yadda... we don't bite. It's just that every other path we tried before this didn't fit. Finally settled down and picking the labels that fit.

We're of Taino descent on our mother's side and black descent on our father's side, so you can expect a bit of ancestral work ever so often, or at least mentions of it. Being eclectic, however, you might find that it's very random incorporations of our tribal practice in our work—for example, partaking in animism, acknowledging the Great Spirit in lieu of Gaia, and so forth.

Crooked path basically means we mainly follow the traditional witch ideology despite experimenting all the time.

So, who do you work with?

Spirits

Ancestors (The Caracaracol), The Great Spirit, Familiar Spirits (Fox), House Ghosts, Soul Bonds, Elynas, Spirit Guide (Phoenix)

Beings

Fairies (fey), Familiars, Dæmons (Lyra; Snow Leopard), Patronous (Thestral)

Pantheons The Entities (The Magnus Archives), Dragons Sovereign (Genshin Impact), Unrecorded Pantheon, Zemi-no (Technically; Ancestral)

Specific Divinity

Apostasia (Unrecorded), The Arbiter/Noren (Unrecorded; Fairy), Hades/Pluto, Aine, Wayob (Genshin Impact), Isis

Godfamily

Nontraditional relationships with deities.

Lesser Lord Kusanali (Godsibling)

Things You Can Learn From Us

👁️‍🗨️Hexes/Curses (In moderation)

👁️‍🗨️Candlework

👁️‍🗨️Wand Work

👁️‍🗨️Spirit Work

👁️‍🗨️Misc Spells

👁️‍🗨️Pop Paganism

👁️‍🗨️Dæmonism

👁️‍🗨️Patronus

👁️‍🗨️Tarot

👁️‍🗨️Past Lives

👁️‍🗨️Energy Work

👁️‍🗨️Astral Travel

👁️‍🗨️Altars

👁️‍🗨️Offerings

👁️‍🗨️Soulbonds & Spiritual Alter Help

👁️‍🗨️Deity Work vs Deity Worship

👁️‍🗨️Herbiology/Apothicarism

👁️‍🗨️Potion Work: What not to do.

👁️‍🗨️"Is <this> appropriation of [your] tribal culture or not? Can I partake in it?"

Things We Want to Learn From You

📜Spells

📜Kemeticism

📜Druidism

📜Shinto

📜Necromancy

📜More about Hellenism

📜Alchemy: Not spiritual alchemy. Traditional and magical alchemy.

📜 More about our tribal heritage!

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