#tw: colorism

[albinotanuki]

I have a feeling that if Disney DID go with the original concept of having the Star from “Wish” have a human form and being Asha’s “soulmate”, people would accuse Disney of colorism for pairing a seemingly white boy with an already light-skinned black girl. Just saying Disney is no stranger to controversy like this.

[twistmusings]

Spoilers under the cut for the JPN version

TW: For mention of the whitewashing in past cards

Whichever artist did this art I love you and I am kissing you on the forehead rn

Like whoever they hired to do this card art, please let them keep doing it and stop letting whoever did the Kingly Garb and Kalim Tsum card TOUCH THEM. (OR AT LEAST SOMEONE TEACH THEM I BEG)

I literally picked colors from the new card to edit the KG card and like 😭

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[junibugs]

no one is jealous of a fake latina in a wheelchair i'm so sorry to tell you that

so you know i'm latina, disabled, 21, and my lore and history on this app but you couldn't remember that i'm not a wheelchair user? fake fan☹️

[spanishskulduggery]

Hola! Acabo de comprar el libro "Orgullo Prieto" por Tenoch Huerta, el quien interpreta a Namor en la nueva pelicula de Black Panther. Aun no lo he empezado, pero tengo una pregunta: se que "prieto" significa alguien con piel oscuro, pero deberia decirlo como alguien blanco? No se si es una palabra que solo las personas en el grupo en cuestion deberian decir -- es un poco de contexto social que yo falto, como alguien aprendiendo espanol y que tambien no es latino. Quiero ser respetuoso. Gracias!

Tengo mucho que decir sobre los aspectos culturales y todo eso, pues tendré que recurrir al inglés porque es demasiado y hablaré demasiado.

I have to preface this by saying I'm not Mexican, I don't speak for Mexicans or any nationality or ethnicity. I can only share what I know.

I would say it would be best to hear from someone who is a native speaker how they feel about it and where they are, I imagine you're going to see different feelings from different areas in Latin America, and probably within Mexico itself.

Followers/Native speakers, what do you think?

In my limited experience, it's yes and no. Yes it can be used pejoratively, but no it isn't always.

It's definitely not the kind of word you'd want to mess up using though

But in the case of Mexico, I wouldn't use that word as I'm very white and also not Mexican so I would be worried I'd come out sounding like an imperialist; but that's me. It's not that the word is always offensive (I believe), but there are people who use it as an insult. When people are using it as an insult in Mexico, it tends to carry a very negative stereotype. When Tenoch Huerta was talking about his experiences, there were people who called him a prieto in a way that implied that he was uppity and didn't know his place

I believe in some areas of Mexico it's less pejorative than others, but it's one of those things that it depends on the region and above all it depends on the intention

If you're trying to err on the side of caution, the correct word that is almost always perfectly fine to say is moreno/a which refers to people with dark skin, dark eyes, or dark hair. It is also the basic word for "brunette", so you may have to specify piel morena "dark skin". But in general, moreno/a is the most universally accepted word that will not get you into trouble

Please also know that moreno/a can refer to any ethnicity, the word negro/a for la gente negra "black people" usually gets used with people of African ancestry. The word prieto/a on the other hand - in Mexico at least - to me makes me think of people of indigenous ancestry with very dark skin, so it's like a different identity. I believe (but am not certain) that in other countries especially in the Caribbean it can be used for people of African descent too, so it's also a regional difference. And I believe even in the US, in a place like Louisiana, prieto/a can often refer to dark-skinned Creole people or black people in general

If you're looking at etymology, prieto/a refers to "black" the color, but as a descriptor of people it's regional who you're talking about

Now onto the things that I know which is more cultural and might give you more info in general...

It can be used offensively, but there are times when it does not mean that - and it can depend on the country, because the word can be used by other countries and can have less of a pejorative meaning

The general word prieto/a means "swarthy", and in some cases it refers to those of indigenous descent or mixed race that have skin that's very dark, and in some contexts they're said to "almost be black", which is from the times of colonialism where indigenous people, African people, and European people were in the same countries/regions/societies. But there was a clear distinction and "castes" based on someone's lineage and racial background

You have to remember that the word mestizo/a meaning "mixed-race" also does mean "mongrel" or "mutt"; and though it traditionally now refers to people of mixed indigenous roots [commonly it's a mix of indigenous and European; it's commonly said that Hernán Cortés the famous conquistador and his mistress La Malinche had a child who is known in history as the first mestizo; his name is usually understood to be Martín Cortés el Mestizo].

The word itself means "mixed together", but for people who value "purity" of blood, mestizo/a is an insult, and it's very antiquated like the castes

Also, when I say "castes" I mean there were specific words for specific mixes of bloodlines [if you're reading older things you'll see indio/a, prieto/a, mulato/a, mestizo/a, zambo/a or sambo/a... not many have totally carried over into modern Spanish except in certain contexts or etymologies, aside from maybe mestizo/a and mulato/a which I think most people recognize]

And within castes, there was colorism and so in many countries, not just Mexico, you'll find there are words for lighter-skinned people and words for darker-skinned people, and sometimes they're used as basic nouns and sometimes they're used as insults. The words for darker-skinned people as insults comes out as saying they're animalistic, savage, stupid, or sometimes uppity. The words for lighter-skinned people as insults come out as something like saying they think they're too good for everyone, they're pretentious, they're not really connected to the culture, and things like that.

Colorism in Latin America is far more present than "racism" as we would see it in the US, where even in the same families or communities, your skin tone might change how others treat you. Colorism in Latin America is very much also linked to classism, with lighter skinned people being treated better and having a better chance to marry upwards, which makes sense when you consider the history of imperialism and slavery in many countries in the Americas not just Latin America

There's even a fairly common expression in Spanish that I did not know was racist when I learned it but it was aunque la mona se vista de seda, mona se queda which means "call it what it is" but it literally means "even though the female monkey wears silk, she's still a monkey"... which I think speaks for itself

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All of that aside, prieto/a in some Latin American countries means "really really dark", it's considered even darker than regular moreno/a "tan/dark-skin", and the other word that gets used is sometimes trigueño/a which you'd say as like "olive-skinned" or "dark"

Generally it just comes out as "swarthy"

In Spain, the word prieto/a can be "black" as in the color, but it could also be "tight" or "tightly-fitted" since the word comes from apretar "to squeeze" [your general word for "tight" is ajustado/a just FYI]

It doesn't quite have the same cultural connotations in Spain as far as I know, but in countries with colonial history it could, given that darker-skinned people in different countries were and still sometimes are treated a certain way or given certain jobs/roles in society, a word like prieto/a could be used as a way to "remind someone of their place"

(Also note that Prieto can be a surname, so it's not inherently racist but if you said it in the wrong place in the wrong way you might offend some people)

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As you can probably tell this is one of those big issues with not a lot of good answers, and your experiences will vary.

[dejwrld]

What you said about colorism is ALL true!! I know SOME (not all) light skins OR people with pale skin, feel that when colorism is brought up it's a personal attack. This is coming from a brown skin girl who is usually refer to as light skin.

that’s where the disconnect comes from when colorism is brought up some think it’s a personal attack and it isn’t. dark skinned women (and people) are literally just pointing out that hey it’s a system built against us due to our complexion. we’re paid less, we’re denied jobs, we’re bullied from elementary school all the way up to adulthood, we get harsher jail sentences, etc. we literally couldn’t even get into some of the divine 9 fraternities and sororities (yes some were doing the paper bag test). like it’s so much deeper than dating preference and twitter jokes (get ptsd war flashbacks of twitter incels comparing dark skinned women vaginas to roast beef and burnt paper). i just wish people would just listen to us in the topic instead of invalidating how we feel

[queenoftsage]

There's no other creature in this world...

That disgusts me as much as RACIST Whitexicans and their culo lickers [other RACIST Mexicans] do. [Add to this list RACIST WHITINOS as well. Fucking hell, another breed I wish would just fuck off.]

... If there is something that is the biggest pet peeve in my life it's those people. Like... Please! Shut the fuck up already and get therapy if you're able to. If not then... I don't fucking know. Your mom needs to throw a chancla at your stupid face. But then again, I think they may be as Racist if not more than you already are, and are the ones that taught you that shit.

My fucking goodness. *shudders*

How do you fucking live your life being so damn ignorant all the damn time? HOW!? Like... Just how the fuck do you sit there and think 'YeAh, aLL mY thOUghTs aNd oPiNiOnS ArE TrUe. I'm sO pRouD oF hOw I sOuNd tO oTHeRs. aNd HoW hOw wHAt I sAy dOEsN't aFFecT oThErS [it does... it actually does, unfortunately.].'

..... *blinks too hard* ... You're out of your fucking mind. I honestly at this point don't know whether to feel sorry for you, or continue to be disgusted by your ignorance.

... just ... wow. [in a fucked up way].

[akl-sketch]

Inside me are two wolves - one wants to play Baldur’s Gate and the other wants to draw Baldur’s Gate.

[voltaical-art]

do you guys ever think about how Wyll is introduced as an archetypal fantasy hero, but then it turns out he’s a warlock, who made a pact with a devil. Do you ever think about how Ansur is described as this fantastical dragon of myth, but then when you find him, he’s turned into an undead monstrosity. Do you think about how when Wyll does the right thing, he is punished to become more monstrous. Do you think about how as Wyll’s warlock powers grow, his spells get more horrific. Do you think about how Ansur was killed by his closest friend. Do think about how Wyll was cast out by the most important person in his life. do you guys ever think about Ansur and Wyll.

[ochiody]

what if penelope was in love in paradise

[why-animals-do-the-thing]

The Bronx Zoo has just released Flaco's necropsy results.

He was not thriving, as the people championing the ideal of "freedom" claimed.

He was poisoned.

He was sick.

He was suffering.

"Freedom" would have eventually killed him. A building just happened to do it first.

"Postmortem testing has been completed for Flaco, the Eurasian eagle owl that was found down in the courtyard of a Manhattan building a little over a year after his enclosure at the Central Park Zoo was vandalized on February 2, 2023. Onlookers reported that Flaco had flown into a building on the Upper West Side of Manhattan on February 23, 2024, and acute trauma was found at necropsy. Bronx Zoo veterinary pathologists determined that in addition to the traumatic injuries, Flaco had two significant underlying conditions. He had a severe pigeon herpesvirus from eating feral pigeons that had become part of his diet, and exposure to four different anticoagulant rodenticides that are commonly used for rat control in New York City. These factors would have been debilitating and ultimately fatal, even without a traumatic injury, and may have predisposed him to flying into or falling from the building. The identified herpesvirus can be carried by healthy pigeons but may cause fatal disease in birds of prey including owls infected by eating pigeons. This virus has been previously found in New York City pigeons and owls. In Flaco’s case, the viral infection caused severe tissue damage and inflammation in many organs, including the spleen, liver, gastrointestinal tract, bone marrow, and brain.   No other contributing factors were identified through the extensive testing that was performed. Flaco’s severe illness and death are ultimately attributed to a combination of factors—infectious disease, toxin exposures, and traumatic injuries—that underscore the hazards faced by wild birds, especially in an urban setting."

The naturalistic fallacy kills animals in horrible ways. The romanticism of what humans want to think of as a "free, wild, pure life" cannot be allowed supplant the reality of injury, sickness, and death. Releasing captive animals (or keeping them from being recaptured) because it's "better" for them to suffer untethered than live a healthy, safe, captive life is inhumane and horrific.

Flaco's life didn't have to end in pain, sickness, and suffering.

Flaco's death didn't have to be tragic.

But once the idea of "freedom" entered the chat, Flaco's fate was unavoidable.

[ctrlzxoo]

ROUND 7: amongst a sea of green, is a glimpse of snow

Bonus: happy end(?)

[ayo-edebiri]

You were Lestat's, now you're Armand's. I've been a third all my life. Not saying that to fight, just saying that it's true. I feel like I get to pick one thing for myself, and it's her. A weird white lady I met by happenstance.

DELAINEY HAYLES as CLAUDIA I IWTV (2022 - ) 2.06

[gowhilewedance]

"Well perhaps you could tell me...while we dance."

701 frames, 542 artists, 3 months, all collaborating on 1 animation. Here is the result.

@neil-gaiman @goodomensonprime

[ostropest]

Which color of the sky do you love the most?

[queenoftsage]

So when are we going to normalize not seeing 'PuRiTy' as a white skinned individual? .... [I'm looking at you, specific art toy creator from China, working right now as a POPMART artist.]

[novva]

Artist’s rendition of two girls I saw poking a squirrel last week