#tw hypothetical forced pregnancy

[cosmicheartz]

Hmmmg thinking abt how Solange was objectified as soon as she was a teenager by most the rams she was around ( excluding family ) due to the fact she was one of the few sheep who could hypothetically carry kids since most either are too old and/or have been sterilized. ( before she lived with the farmer she lived with her aunt and cousins in what was considered a “ sheep sanctuary “ until it got raided and the sheep there died )

Then she was objectified and slowly groomed by the farmer who took her whos endgoal was to make her a subservient barefoot and pregnant housewife. He emotionally manipulated her, saying that she should be greatful she’s still even alive and that he could have left her to die but he didn’t.

When Solange finally spoke out and refused to marry him he either sold her out to he executed or kicked her out where she was eventually caught by heretics and executed.

It didn’t help that even outside of the farmer she was also objectified by some of the men there too ( they wanted to be the “ savior “ of the sheep race )

Now she’s objectified but in a different sense by being seen as a goddess/deity and while is less gross than being seen as a babymaker it still is incredibly dehumanizing to her ( despite not technically being mortal anymore ) especially because she never wanted to be one in the first place.

[acethetically-bway]

fiona and her kids

today on shameless metas with annie, we’re going to talk about why it’s so important that the writers let fiona canonically decide she doesn’t want kids of her own. because it’s not just about the fact that she raised her siblings since many of them were babies, it’s not just about her becoming their legal guardian, and it’s not just about them viewing her as their mom in certain regards (TWs for brief talks of abortion/miscarriage)

fiona not wanting kids of her own is vital in the context of the show itself. first off, she’s the only female main character on the show who does not carry a baby to term or already have biological children of her own prior to the start of the show. that alone is such a breath of fresh air in a show where being a mother is so ingrained in every other major female character. and it’s especially important considering that she’s been playing this patriarchal trad wife type role in the gallagher family as frank’s chief enabler for so long. no other leading female character is allowed to coast on casual sex for the majority of the show. even when she tries to have a longer term relationship or commit to a marriage, it doesn’t work. why is that you ask? because the whole notion of the long haul is fundamentally incompatible with fiona’s character. she inherited her parents’ impulsiveness, and that in itself is her fatal flaw. every decision she makes is driven by it, and because it is literally impossible to impulsively decide to have a baby (you can decide you want a baby, you can decide to have sex/get pregnant, but pregnancy/true motherhood are not impulsive decisions), it wouldn’t work at all with her character. square peg, round hole.

even in the context of raising her siblings, fiona’s whole character is built on impulsive decisions, recklessness, and wild abandon. to even suggest that she’s the type of woman who would consciously, and with full agency, commit to raising her own babies for at least two decades is lunacy. it goes against everything she aspires towards and everything she wants for herself, especially later in the show. committing 9–10 months for a pregnancy and another 18+ years to a child (and a boyfriend/husband/father on top of that) is so obviously anti-fiona that it would literally destroy her character to have her backpedal into consensually having a child, even if the hypothetical father didn’t stay in her life.

fiona pins her distaste towards having kids on raising her siblings, but in reality it’s also the fact that there is literally no space in her life to raise a child. even if she didn’t have her siblings to worry about, by the time she would have been considering having kids, she’s already made multiple attempts to start a career for herself and she’s continuously been jumping from man to man for instant gratification. the one commitment she’s locked herself into is the one she’s literally forced into out of pure obligation and devotion towards her (in the beginning) infant/toddler siblings who could not fend for themselves. and by the time she realizes what she’s doing, she just keeps going because what is she gonna do, leave two mentally unstable young adults, two preteens, and a preschooler on their own?

now of course, the natural thought is "she's essentially been a mom to her siblings all these years, what's the big deal about having a kid of her own?" fiona may be the closest thing her siblings had to a mom, but she is not their mom. she does not have the maternal instincts that mothers develop from the moment their child is born, because her siblings are not her biological children. she may act maternal, but she’s not inherently a mother at any point. she knows how to love her siblings, but loving your own child is completely different. she’s seen what the lack of a mother’s support and love can do to a kid and she knows that if she’s not 100% sure she could love that kid unconditionally, she should not have kids. so that’s what she does. also, having a kid at 25 or 30 is also essentially hitting the reset button on this big countdown timer she’s had going for almost two decades. it’s why she was so against franny being born (obviously it was insane of her to make debbie’s pregnancy about herself, but it was a very valid fear to have). in the same vein, fiona’s decision to have an abortion was so necessary for her, not only because a baby would quadruple the absolute shitstorm her life already was in s6, but because it goes along with everything her character is meant to represent. she never second guesses herself even when her family tries to talk her out of it, and she never feels any sort of guilt or shame in having an abortion. and honestly i think that that’s just amazing, particularly the fact that she has the option and pursues it actively instead of coincidentally miscarrying (so that narratively she’s not the one to blame for “killing” the baby) or having the kid and going through some forced “learning to love the child because that’s your baby and you’re their mother” arc.

also, in season 8 she maintains her aversion to having kids, which is even more crucial because it shows how even though most of her siblings were over 18, she doesn’t need to be a mother to feel satisfied in her life anymore. when her siblings are little, she says outright that mothering them makes her feel wanted. she doesn’t leave with jimmy steve because she feels her kids need her. but in seasons 7 and 8, she starts living her life independently, moves out, and makes her own money purely for herself. she’s found other ways to feel fulfilled. she never feels some “unexplained void in her soul” now that she isn’t a full time matriarch to her siblings anymore. she is allowed to be her own person, she’s allowed to grow as a character, and she’s allowed to have her own identity. even though she loves her siblings, her life starts to gradually revolve less and less around them, and she’s allowed to be okay with that. so many times a female character will have this major character development, and then suddenly a love interest or a reminder of their past life comes knocking at their door and they’re right back where they started. but not fiona. fiona has goals and ambitions that are purely personal, and we get to see her start to achieve them. and even when she spirals in season 9, she doesn’t regress as a character. she doesn’t seek out the comfort of being wanted because she doesn’t deem that as the most important thing in her life anymore. fiona’s s4 spiral and her s9 spiral are two completely different events (they both involve heavy abuse of substances, but that’s really the only thing they have in common), and this demonstrates how her character has evolved over the course of the show. her s4 spiral ends with her taking personal responsibility for her actions and not blaming them on being some helpless little kid or a victim of her circumstances. meanwhile, in s9, she takes what she’s learned from this and applies it to other areas of her life. she is her own person with her own agency and freedom, and the best way to use that autonomy is to start over somewhere else. deciding to have a kid at that point in her life would not only feel shoehorned in for the sake of meeting some BS societal quota, but once again it would undermine everything her character has been building towards for nine seasons.

so in summary, it is so so incredibly important that the writers never made fiona have her own kids or even want to have her own kids someday because doing so would refute the core of her character. it would lump her in with every other wife and mother in the show and reduce her character to an aspect that should always be secondary (for many women, but especially for her). motherhood was always forced on fiona; it was never her choice, and making it into her choice would not be some badass act of ownership/reclamation. instead it would require her to sacrifice everything she’s worked for and hoped for just for the sake of appeasing the patriarchy, thereby undoing every ounce of development she had undergone throughout her time on the show.

tl;dr : the shameless writers fucked a lot of shit up across 11 seasons but i have to defend them on this topic because god they knew what they were doing by continually having fiona outwardly oppose having kids of her own.

[toxicanonymity]

Hypothetically, how would raider joel react if reader got pregnant? I mean there's no birth control in the apocalypse and no sane person would want to deal with a pregnancy during an apocalypse so. Also it doesn't seem like he's trying to prevent it from happening or something so realistically there's a risk

TW reference to noncon

(fair question) The only risk for him would be losing you. He wouldn't be thinking about dealing with a pregnancy, because he would never have to deal with a pregnancy, he could just let you go whenever things get hard. He's a bad guy. But I think Raider Joel thinks he's shooting blanks anyway (maybe got a vasectomy after having Sarah so young or maybe his jeggings are just so tight), so this is highly unlikely and he would assume someone else did it. He'd interrogate you to find out who forced you. And when you swore no one, he'd start interrogating and killing the other guys one by one until he felt like he figured out who it was (or you just pick the guy you hate most and say him so Joel stops his rampage). Then when it's far enough into the pregnancy that you'd have more needs, he'd let you go. Recapture you later, but not the baby, sorry :( But if he saw the baby and it looked like him it might seep into his brain to where he starts being more careful.

Raider Joel master list

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Canon update (7/8): He does have a vasectomy and reader will not get pregnant.

[weebsinstash]

tw we're talking about pregnancy and abortion, guys ✌

You know, besides my own significant mental health issues, this is literally one of the biggest reasons I've never tried to have a serious relationship. I would legitimately have anxiety attacks thinking about "what if I find a partner and everything is going great and I get pregnant? I can barely take care of myself let alone a baby and I have a lot of bad genetic stuff I can pass on". I would think "what if my partner wanted to keep it and I didnt?" or what about being forced to give birth when I didn't want to? Even when putting a child up for adoption, childbirth changes your body forever, and it's extremely fucking painful

And now that's. Not even going to be my choice anymore, at least in the future. Like I already accepted that I'm probably never going to have a serious relationship, because I'm not actively pursuing it and quite frankly I don't think I'm in the right place mentally to not get abused or taken advantage of, but this is genuinely a massive barrier to me even starting a relationship to begin with 😔 like legitimately the fear of knowing "oh god if you forget birth control even once or god forbid it fails it's basically a giant fucking bomb going off that destroys my entire life" is enough to scare me away

This is just such a deeply personal, really scary thing for me and a lot of other people in America right now. The fact that certain states and lawmakers are even trying to take the next step and outlaw different forms of birth control and even condoms is even scarier because they legitimately want to leave us with nothing. And sorry but this IS a religious matter because these politicians, or at least the people funding them, are deeply conservative and have personal religious beliefs on sex outside of marriage and some ultra conservatives genuinely believe you should have sex ONLY to reproduce and that if you're not trying to get pregnant you shouldn't be having sex anyways

Anyways I guess I'll just. Keep myself safe and loved in my writing, if nowhere else 😔 at least there's some hypothetical universe out there where my personal feelings and autonomy is respected

[merakiui]

(Continuation to the Qixing darling concept)

I am feeling extra hyper rn and I have no idea why so have this!!

Tw degradation, mentions of forced pregnancy

Scaramouche found out you have been seeing Childe behind his back. While he is away, just before his visits- and Childe, out of all people.

You said your relationship with him is purely platonic? While he does have clear evidence of that, the little man is still very much angry. He thinks he have every right to be.

It sickens him, to think about his wife, would be spending time with a flirt like Tartaglia the eleventh.

“Are you just a Fatui Whore now, who’s next, Dottore? Here I thought you have dignity.”

Since your relation with Scaramouche is still a secret to Liyue besides a few of your most trusted attendants, you were careful each time he visits. You certainly don’t want anything that could tie you to him even closer, thay is. Contraceptive medicine that have minimal effects on your body was purchased privately from Bubu pharmacy. Scaramouche knows about this of course, and he was glad that you took care of any complications yourself instead of asking him what to do.

But now, it seems like you clearly didn’t learn your place. Maybe a little brat who look just like him would remind you who you serve while he is not present.

-wonderful anon

(cw: mention of forced pregnancy, implied nsfw, female reader, yandere)

Wonderful anon, you have blessed us yet again with your amazing concepts! Scaramouche would be so mean when he finds out you’ve been spending time with Childe. Out of all the people in Teyvat, it’s him you chose to befriend. He’s probably compelled to punish you for seeing another man when he’s right here. While he’s aware of the fact that you don’t view him in a romantic light, he’d prefer it if you at least made somewhat of an effort to love him. Or at least pretended sufficiently.

Is he really all that bad that you’ve had to resort to a friendship with Childe? He’s more annoyed with the obvious answer to that hypothetical question than he thought he’d be.

I wonder if he’d actually go through with his threat of knocking you up. Maybe he just puts it out there to cow you into submission (or deter you from meeting with Childe in secret). Either way, it’s definitely going to make you paranoid whenever the two of spend time in bed. You’re constantly worrying over the fact that your contraceptives will fail or he might’ve done something to ensure they wouldn’t work. You really don’t feel comfortable raising a child, especially not one that resembles him. He’s far from what you’d call a good father; in fact, he’s the polar opposite of one and so you can only pray to whatever Archon is willing to listen that it’s just an empty threat.

[mzyraj]

Back to the sims, been playing the Fundamegahood very gradually, got inteen in but haven't seen much of it so far, until yesterday and today where miscarriages started showing up because we're now getting far enough in that sims can be pregnant and then lose it.

And tw and everything because you never want to trigger people, but I think there's value to exploring these things in a fictional setting because if you just talk/think vague hypotheticals it's easy to be like 'just x, or just y, or why not z?', but with fictional characters you have more concrete situations to understand the limitations without a real person having to explain and justify their whole life and shitty situation which is probably triggering and an invasion of privacy.

The first was Roxie Sharpe. Contraception is scarce, she's a romance sim living with her romance sim boyfriend at college, do they really expect them not to have sex? Well they did, and got pregnant immediately. Truth be told the colleges are eager to get the girls out anyway and Jonah is not career-driven, so they got engaged and were figuring out a wedding and dropping out when she lost the pregnancy before it even showed. Which... should she feel happy about that? Maybe probably. They're hardly eager to be pregnant, they don't have to drop out yet, but also she basically can't talk about it because she was never meant to have been having sex to get pregnant in the first place. And if she did talk she'd probably be suspected of deliberately ending it. So it's a weird little secret she and Jonah have to keep and there's no real space to work through it all.

The second, and more affecting for the player, is Brandi Broke. The third pregnancy she always has and you usually see born into a little male version of her. She was in her second trimester, not doing too badly, woke up in the middle of sleeping and... it ended. Everyone knew she was pregnant, hopefully people would know she wanted it, but... she is a single mom with two kids already. They might be suspicious about the timing of the pregnancy and if Skip really fathered it before he died. The rumours and scandal will be there while she's just devastated. She would have named the baby after Skip if it was a boy. She won't have been able to afford prenatal care. Bereft and so unsupported by society (not helped by her best friends being forced to move away by the gentrification/whitewashing of Pleasantview). Sure, more space for Dustin and Beau, and perhaps she'll find a new husband sooner and have more children, but it's not worth this now

This whole idea of society is so fucked up..

[bibbleboo]

Could we get some headcanons/more background on Abbey and Doyle’s kids? 🥺👉👈 I love the premise of this AU

YEEEEE (im just gonna ramble a bunch about the backstory i have so far but ill put it in bullets so its easier to follow lol i apologize for it being long as fuck-)

OKAY SO,,, first of all,,, doyle and abbey timeline,,,, [i am looking respectfully]

in this au, they get back together and have a sort of ‘lovers pretending to be enemies’ chaotic on again/off again hookup thing off to the side just between the two of them thru like Most of the final season, they try to keep it a secret (especially doyle who doubts the saturdays would be hAPPY if he was seeing her again) but in the end, saturdays ofc find out, probably are unsure about it at first, but she gains enough of their trust to be there for the big finale battle in the weird world mansion.

when shit goes down and argost becomes the vessel for the two opposing kurs (regular kur, and the anti kur from zak monday) and they like. explode his matter or w/e, i imagine instead of kur just completely disappearing, the ‘anti kur’ gets shot back to its universe, while original kur gets forced into a new vessel in this universe... the closest of which happens to be the unborn child abbeys unknowingly carrying. basically, what if the two kurs just LOOKED like they evaporated but actually did what happens when you try to like tape two same sides of a magnets together and they YEETED-

So thats how we have Parker, their firstborn daughter! and this... also implies ‘Parker Monday’ exists which. 8^) i havent thought about yet so forgive me on that but hoo, 

they dont know parker is kur, they got no idea and rly just assume kur is gone for good. but after they find out abbeys pregnant (which is a huge emotional trip for both of them in its own right) they do eventually sort of agree they dont want their kid exposed to that whole world of mystery. like, ik its a vital thing to the whole family, and ik these two people were probably voted least likely to ‘settle down’ in high school, but i cant imagine they didnt escape the kur/zak situation without a LOT of trauma, so while the saturdays stay in the cryptozoology field, doyle and abbey slowly pull away from the mystery and mercenary stuff, and also instead of going for big dollar lifestyle settle with ‘independently wealthy’ parenting.

also, neither of them really . grasp the concept that theyve even started a family, and are ‘together’, and that this is REAL, until around when she gets pregnant with their second daughter, Kendall. and then theyre like. oh nooo wait are we actually like boyfriend and girlfriend EWW-

when kendall is born parker is 3, and the next like 10+ years are pretty smooth sailing. as far as what the kids know/see, they probably know the cryptids when theyre little but. (tw animal death sORRY TO BE DARK I JUST??????) idk,, how long komodo dragons live/how old komodo already is and i definitely dont know Anything about giant prehistoric birds and am not even sure if science knows that lifespan, so. im not sure how long they could really be in each others lives??? i almost imagine parker would have memories of them that she assumes she remembers wrong, like “oh yeah they used to have a lizard and a bird... my imaginative little kid brain thought they were a komodo dragon and a dinosaur”, and as for fisk im still working on it but i . actually kind of imagine he might have a much longer lifespan (since lemurians are like ancient or w/e? and also if hes by dna like a gorilla cat or w/e gorillas at least live long af) and also feel like once he got older and settled down a bit he might live somewhere in the woods, maybe even his old tree? and the saturdays see him ALL the time obviously, but hey zaks gotta go to college eventually, a gorilla cats gotta eat bugs in forest, we all have to grow up and leave the nest sometime,

so idk the last time parker has actually seen fisk and she might assume he was an imaginary friend or smth but, 1. if i do write a fic they absolutely have to meet again, 2. overall the vibe is they know the saturdays are cryptozoologists, like, the same way josh gates does destination truth, seeking answers and studying, they dont really. know that theyre REAL. to them its like, a hypothetical science. (this is also part of why they dont realize parker is kur, she isnt around cryptids and therefore whenever her powers would actually show up they wouldnt be recognized) anyways parker isnt embarrassed or put off by it but just thinks its a little wacky, meanwhile kendall is obsessed with the world of mystery/paranormal/cryptic lol

speaking of the girls personalities;;;

parker is like. not really normie/preppy, even if she seems it at first glance, shes nice and has a good head on her shoulders but also is a teenage girl (inherently unhinged) and shes THEIR teenage girl (+5 feral) so despite her success and charm shes also very witty/crass when she wants to be, and deep down shes closer to the kind of person that would on pure inexplicable instinct put something random in your mouth when you’re yawning so you bite down on it afterwards. or like. that video of the girl singing in the bathroom while her friends curl their hair and she grabs the curler to use as a microphone before realizing its burning hot??? shes. the voice of reason, but the voice is usually shrieking in fear, making a cursed joke, or half the time whatever shes saying is actually smart. she kinda wants to go to college and travel, but struggles with indecisiveness and anxiety, so she has no idea where to go, what to major in, etc. and is again kinda just livin thru the typical teen life in that regard

kendall on the other hand is like. weird kid culture, the kind of kid that believes they are secretly a new supernatural creature each year (mermaid phase, werewolf phase, alien phase, etc), probably completely accidentally starts cults or witch covens at school (didnt realize teaching peers how to become ‘blood brothers’ and ‘make potions’ from puddles and stolen school supplies would be taken so seriously by parents) , very into emo/scene/punk/alt culture but not rly in an overtly dark/edgy way, more of a having fun and expressing self way. she wants answers for everything, really loves mysteries and being open minded, and definitely a rebel/adventurer at heart, even if she gets naive or in over her head sometimes.

the girls get along well! parker is not dismissive of kendall she just. isnt really into the same stuff/is more freaked out by it most of the time, but she would tag along on certain adventures, especially if it was to keep her safe. and kendall definitely directs gentle mockery towards parker a lot but does see her as a good role model and guiding figure, their bond is really strong!

other details !

doyle and abbey prob decide to say fuck it and get married after kendall is born, they probably have a few rough patches but nothing is more important to them than the kids now and in the end they understand each other better than anyone else so . canon tension idk her! family ftw! power couple! they intimidate the teacher during parent teacher conferences together hand in shady little hand !

their parenting style is exactly what one would imagine, 70% fun and sass and controlled chaos where theyre the bigger children than their children, 15% ‘this is how you hack the government and dual wield swords-- i was not supposed to teach you that im sorry’, and 15% actual guidance / emotional depth / etc. flaws might be overcoming their own immaturity for the first few years, and then being lowkey overly protective (while claiming they arent, but just bc you semi jokingly tell parker she should join the football team doesnt mean you dont actually hide 60% of ur life from her and check that her bedroom windows are locked every night and have 24 people listed in her school emergency contacts and used to cut up her food till she was 7 and-)

so abouT THE BABY BOY (Phoenix), 1. his middle name is leonidas bc im gay and i love emotional turmoil babes , 2. fully unironically the idea behind such a late pregnancy is abbey would be mid fourties when hes born right. so like. [has two kids] ‘ok birth control time’ [when theyre teens many years later] ‘ok im old enough to stop taking this’ [the hyperfertility curse that plagues many women rears its ugly head with one last hoo-rah]

and finALLY a very quick elevator pitch of what id write an actual fic to focus on;;; kendall sneaks into the attic to look for old shit bc they BOTH know their parents have been hiding stuff over the years, she finds things like a cryptopedia (now offline), the claw, maybe even a piece of the kur stone, and ropes parker into the long haul of figuring out what all this stuff is. and ofc the second they ever find the naga relic and parker comes face to face with it, [rest in rip] time for mom and dad to find out and all this kur shit to start ALL over again-