#transmisogyny //

[patricia-taxxon]

You have not done nearly enough research on intersectionality if you actually believe that men are not a part of that intersectionality, stop blaming the gender and start blaming the actual elites and rich that put us in this position to exploit divide and conquer us, learn some goddamn class consciousness

I know which post you're paraphrasing. I've been seeing this line of thinking crop up, "oppression olympics," "class consciousness," "do not look into another man's bowl to see if he has more than you but only to see if it is full" and at this point it feels like a deliberate obfuscation. how are we supposed to talk about privilege, then, like how are we supposed to note the ways in which people in our community are currently using their privilege to mistreat others? why has this thought been degenerated into a hysterical fit of jealousy? i do not care about being the most oppressed in the room, in fact i've maintained over and over that i'm obviously not. why are you all a decade and a half behind the discussion, i don't fucking get it

[princessefemmelesbian]

@cryptid-catnip

in the figure of “just a little guy, just a little birthday boy” is the image of 21st century ethics. everyone is constantly trying to like position themselves as uniquely non-agentic, to defer or deny what power they have or can have over others, to self-absolve by adopting an affect of ignorance or victimhood or perpetual adolescence that can be transmuted into moral righteousness

[sodomit]

"But if you're saying trans men aren't seen as men and don't have male privilege, doesn't it imply that trans women do?"

No, it doesn't.

You think trans people must either occupy the "man" social role or the "woman" social role and you try to assign them on the basis of your belief in "opposite genders".

I think trans people occupy a completely different social role, "gender deviant". And being recognized as men or women by the patriarchy is exclusively for (some, not even all) cis people.

And none of it means trans people aren't the gender they say they are, btw, because your gender isn't how other people see you (that's social perception, a set of gendered roles), but how you see yourself.

[gremlingirlsmell]

i think if you've fabricated or participated in transmisogynistic pedojacketing callout harassment campaigns you don't get to just pivot into being outspoken about transmisogyny and transfeminism just like that. without at least apologizing to your victims and deleting the offending material. this shit kills people. transfems are extremely unsafe around you. what the fuck is wrong with you

[darkmeow159]

"Asexuals act like-" "Trans women are-" "Bisexuals do-" bruhh you are so stupid, sorry! Like you haven't even made it past not generalizing entire groups of people. You haven't even made it past basic logic 101 yet. If you automatically decide a community of real living people have a problem because some individuals are pieces of shit you're just a bad person. This is why you get news articles like "We have to protect the border because some Mexicans raped a white lady!!!!" Like they straight up hate all Mexicans because some bad people that happen to be Mexican were pieces of shit. You're no better than the average conservative that hates everyone but themselves if you think this way.

Also you're like 1 step away from saying everyone in a group is just a monolith. These people have never been outside or talked to another human being that isn't like them and it shows.

[little-computer]

they really tried to slip tma/tme in there as somehow a part of "cisgender society trying to know your 'real' gender" as opposed to a signifier for the very real power dynamics of transmisogyny, which is what transmisogyny affected and transmisogyny exempt actually mean.

every day it gets more depressing to be a transfem on this website.

*gripping my hands so hard on a young trans persons shoulders that their bones are about to break*

do not log on to 4chan.com. do not get involved in passing olympics. you will always lose. do not put afab/amab/tma/tme in your bio, that is cisgender society trying to know your “real” gender. you do not exist to please cisgender people. there is no ‘right’ way to be trans. learn your goddamn history, listen to your elders. listen to other disenfranchised groups. listen to intersex people and check yourself for intersexism. listen to trans poc and check yourself for racism. listen to disabled people and check yourself for ableism. be open to learning always. labels are meant to fit you, not the other way around. you are not weird or predatory for simply being attracted to others. you’re fine if you’re not a skinny white twink or a barbie doll. you’re fine if your body is ‘weird’. you’re fine if you don’t have heavy or any dysphoria. it’s okay if you actually don’t want to transition or anything like that. life is worth living at any stage, you deserve to be happy. I SWEAR THAT YOU ARE OKAY!!!!!

[patricia-taxxon]

What are you smoking to somehow think being fat and being trans are equivalent.

Being fat is something directly linked to your body. It’s something can change or go away, and often changes by choice.

Being trans is intrinsically part of your identity. If you’re trans, you’ll never not be trans.

Someone who is fat could always choose not to be. Someone who isn’t fat can always choose to be.

Someone who is trans cannot decide to be cis. Someone who is cis cannot decide to be trans.

Well, this is actually an important thing to bring up, because I'm also thinking of advocating the de-emphasis on identity with regards to trans liberation and instead focusing on bodily autonomy, less "you don't need to transition to be trans" and more "you don't need to be trans to transition." And in that case what I'm talking about is very similar. Fatness is seen as destructive, a mistake, people make health scares about it, it is impossible to pick truth from pseudoscience, fatphobia is so engrained in every facet of our culture that we don't even think about it. This is where the trans comparison comes in, the ways people unwittingly perpetuate transphobia just through a lack of vigilance,

"Be careful, you really need to make sure you want it,"

"You need to consider all of the health risks,"

"But you're so sexy the way you are :("

It's the same thing. Transphobia & Fatphobia are both in the antisemitism side of bigotries, the interloper who symbolizes or engineers the downfall of white patriarchal systems from the inside and makes the paradox of all other bigotries against supposed hoards of brainless brutish inferior outsiders make sense.

[cl0ckworkqueerness]

i must remind every trans person on tumblr right now to always love other trans people. there is no such thing as a "bad type of trans person", even if one of those trans people from that other group says something you don't like (or even something genuinely terrible and hateful). you can hate those individual people, but do not take your anger out on the rest of the group. trans unity means we ALL stand together, not just the groups we deem "palatable".

stand up for trans women. stand up for trans men. stand up for agender people. stand up for nonbinary people. stand up for genderqueer people. stand up for intersex trans people. stand up for genderfuck people. stand up for all trans people. transmasc, transfem, transneutral, transmascfem, unlabeled, questioning, everyone.

and this post goes for every single one of those groups listed above and more. it applies to everyone, it means everyone.

love and fight for the groups more than you hate the individual.

don't fall into transphobia (of ANY kind) at the drop of a hat just because one person has a bad take on tumblr.

[rabid-catboy]

Okay first off please don't take this the wrong way I promise I'm not trying to say trans women all have male privilege or something. I think it is perhaps important to consider that while trans women do make up the majority of trans homicide victims, generally (cis) men make up the majority of homicide victims. In 2020 in the US, men made up 82% of victims.

I think trans women being killed more than trans men isn't necessarily because of transmisogyny being so strong or w/e, but a combination of people being more okay with killing people *they view as* men, and because transfems are much more likely to be sex workers than transmascs (though that may be caused by transmisogyny). Gay men are also killed at much higher rates than lesbians, and usually most homophobic rhetoric and laws and tropes are targeting gay men specifically, but I haven't seen this used to say lesbians have it significantly better, or have structural power over gay men, the way I have seen the same used to say that about trans men

Obviously, trans women are not men and trans men are not women, but to transphobes enacting violence, they are. Imo, it's important to keep in mind that transphobes do not actually view trans people as the gender that they are, and this means that the mistreatment of us will mirror the mistreatment of the gender we are transitioning away from, not towards.

I'm not saying that trans men have it worse, or that trans women all secretly have male privilege or something, just that less overt obvious violence towards trans men does not mean we have it significantly better, just as lesbians facing less overt obvious violence does not mean they have it much better than gay men. If you argue that gay cis men have it worse than lesbian cis women because of this, fair enough, that's consistent, but you can't define male privilege as "the privilege men of any group will always have over women of the same group all else being equal" if you do. (Or you could argue cis gay men are also affected by transmisogyny, I guess?)

Genuinely please don't bite my head off for saying transphobes don't actually view trans women as women (and vice versa) and that affects how they're treated skdkfkdjxhd if you have a good faith criticism of this post I'm all ears

[thegenderienvy]

Maybe instead of just talking about transandrophobia and transmisogyny as two separate ideas we should just start saying “gendered transphobia” as a sort of umbrella term? That would maybe help emphasize the similarities between the two experiences instead of focusing on the differences.

[ashenmind]

there is at least one pretty major issue with this actually

[that-satireguy]

bro pls log off and try to care about the women in ur community for two seconds

Interestingly, I handed out free hijabs, and women's clothing to a group of my trans sisters, less than a week ago.

I am also in a group organising where I purchase women's items for them, accompany them to any religious areas they must go to (they'll usually wear a niqab, and i will wear a hijab, so my feminine face provides cover), help them with feminine maintenance such as hair oiling and other cultural traditions.

I also recently celebrated one of their birthdays, and got her a subtle, feminine perfume to help with dysphoria.

I love my trans sisters, especially those in Central and South Asia, many of whom know my address, as one of the safe places to go to, even though that puts me personally in a lot of danger as a 17 year old foster child.

What have you done recently for trans women bar coming into my inbox and being snarky?

[pocketsizedquasar-3]

[ID: tumblr tag that reads: “i think u should also care ab black trans women outside of their use as statistics to win an argument with their blood”]

I think if you're a white trans woman and you're citing statistics about trans women being murdered to prove our oppression, you really need to bring up that the vast majority of murdered trans women in America are black. I think if you leave that detail out you are kind of doing the exact same thing as the people you're arguing with.

If you don't think about those stats and what they mean, you need to fix that.

[pretty-kitten-paw]

The interesting thing about viewing the oppression of trans women as the oppression of men is that like if that were true we'd have to have access.

We are denied access to most forms of maleness and femaleness. If you find yourself arguing that the oppression of trans women is because they are seen as men then where are we? Where are the trans women? Where are the overwhelming numbers of trans women in the military? Where are the trans women in football stadiums chanting insulting songs?

The only place in male soceity the trans woman is given is the male prison. Because this is where she will be hurt most.

Everything else is transmisogynistic. Pushed into homelessness from familial abuse? Sex work the only work available to you? No support spaces other than those created by your sisters?

Transmisogyny. If our maleness was the only thing punished about us we wouldn't need to boy/butch mode.

[dragonsaffron]

I'm just thinking about the time I was in a voice call and I said someone was doing something "in a gay way, in a straight way" instead of a more eloquent way of acknowledging bisexuality, and a trans guy who was also in that voice call proceeded to make a vaguepost on his tumblr about how I was trying to conversion therapy him into being a lesbian.

transfem: it’s kind of unfair that transmisogyny is so normalized and seen as default and okay that I can’t talk about the (trans)misogyny and harm I experience from the lgbt community and other trans people without a bunch of people coming out of the woodwork to say it’s impossible for them to hold any kind of power of me and that im evil

most well adjusted trans guy: You know what? Fuck this. Fuck you. I’m not going to fall for your manipulations you stupid bitch. As someone who was born as a female and misogynistically grew up with society’s pressures and expectations to be a woman (femalely), I’ve always had to stand up for myself. You are literally killing us by saying you’ve been hurt and wish that people would challenge and grow past their transmisogyny. Saying trans men can access some male privilege is intentional, brutal violence. You wouldn’t get this but I learned as a teenage girl to be resilient, that I don’t have to listen to hysterical cunts like you. I won’t detransition just because you think boys are gross or whatever, filth.

[thedorkdionysia]

i swear a transfem could make a post about her favorite color on this site and instantly you'd have tmes coming out of the woodwork to explain why that being her favorite color means she's a hostile person or that a woman liking that color is reductive and gender essentialist or that it's a very "masculine" color to enjoy. because god forbid a woman have opinions on the internet