#trans!fitzroy

[sinfulforrest]

there's nothing like making out sloppy style with your sworn hated enemy! love wins, I guess???

Trace (on left + the yandere) belongs to me, Virgil (on right) belongs to @endlessoak!

[soulless-angel25]

got any sophitz headcanons????

[oops! sorry it took me so long to respond <3, I've been busy for a bit]

Trans!Femme Fitz first of all, she realized a little bit after she and Sophie got together

^ with the above, Fitz started to grow her hair out

They do each others hair

Fitz gets Sophie a bunch of clothes with pockets

They sneak out to the human world together sometimes

They both enjoy doing genealogy stuff

^ while doing so they discover that one of Fitz's ancestors was a human

They'll often sit under Calla's tree and just enjoy the others presence

Following them getting together their Cognate bond also grows

Sophie is the one who proposes to Fitz

Sophie loves to count the freckles on Fitz's face, that's her girlfriend y'all!

Sophie started to teach Fitz a bunch of different human games

They visit Amy sometimes when in the human world

Sophie got Fitz addicted to fantasy books, she loves pointing out inaccuracies about certain things and Sophie is happy to listen

[And that's all I've got for now! I don't often actually think abt my hcs regarding them, I usually just write and go with what feels right.]

[a-tale-of-legends]

Bouncing gender hcs for the Galar kids in my head right now ( nothing concrete) and I just think it would be hilarious if Hop was the token cis of the group.

[void--crow]

they're trans because they're my silly little character and I said so

the sun will shine brighter on the day people realize there doesn't have to be a reason for a character to be trans

[fitz-higgins]

LGBT literature of the 1860s–1910s. Part 5

After a long pause, the list is back! Here we have a couple of plays, accounts by two trans women, lesbian poetry, and more.

1. Despised and Rejected, by A.T. Fitzroy (Rose Allatini; 1918). A pacifist novel published during World War One? With gay and lesbian characters? Yes, that was sure to get people in trouble. Its publisher was fined and the judge called it “morally unhealthy and most pernicious”. So, Dennis is a young composer who hates violence and therefore refuses to go to war. He also suffers because he is a “musical man”, that is, gay, and loves Alan, art-loving son of a wealthy businessman. His friend Antoinette, meanwhile, is “strangely attracted” to a woman. Nevertheless, the two attempt to love each other. When the war begins, Alan appears in Dennis’ life again, and they try to avoid being sent to the front together. Alan also persuades Dennis to accept who he is. Edward Carpenter himself defended the novel, saying that “the book is also a plea for toleration of a very much misunderstood section of humanity”. Read online

2. Autobiography of an Androgyne, by Ralph Werther (1918). Ralph Werther, also known as Jennie June, wrote this autobiography for doctors, and it is very revealing. Being a New York fairy (male prostitute) and possibly a trans woman, they tell frankly about the city’s gay underworld of the early 20th century and their personal experience, which is sometimes too frank and dark perhaps, but all the more interesting. Read online 

3. Poems by Mikhail Kuzmin. Kuzmin was not just the author of Russia’s first gay novel, but also a poet. Many of his works were dedicated to or mentioned his lovers. I’d recommend Where Will I Find Words (in English and Russian), Night Was Done (both in English and Russian), from the 1906-1907 collection Love of This Summer (available fully in Russian), mostly based on his love affair with Pavel Maslov in 1906. And also If They Say (in English and Russian), which is a great statement.

4. The Loom of Youth, by Alec Waugh (1917). A semi-biographical novel based on Evelyn Waugh’s older brother’s experience at Sherborne School in Dorset. It is a story of Gordon Caruthers’ school years, from the age of 13 to 19, and it is full of different stories typical for public schools, be it pranks and cheating exams or dorm life and sports. Although the homosexual subject was quite understated, the author implied that it was a tradition and open secret in public schools. The book became popular and soon caused a great scandal. Worth noting that before that Alec was expelled for flirting with a boy.  Read online 

5. Two Speak Together, by Amy Lowell (1919). Lowell was a famous American poet and lesbian. Many of her poems were dedicated to her lover, actress Ada Dwyer Russell, specifically the section Two Speak Together from Pictures of the Floating World. These poems are infused with flower imagery, which wasn’t uncommon for lesbian poetry of the time. Read online

6. De berg van licht/The Mountain of Light, by Louis Couperus (1905-1906). Couperus is called the Dutch Oscar Wilde for a reason: this is one of the first decadent novels in Dutch literature. It is also a historical one, telling about a young androgynous Syrian priest Heliogabalus who then becomes a Roman Emperor. Homoerotism, hedonism, aestheticism: Couperus creates a very vivid world of Ancient Rome. He also covered the topic of androgyny in his novel Noodlot, which was mentioned in Part 3 of this list. Read online in Dutch 

7. Frühlings Erwachen/Spring Awakening/The Awakening of Spring, by Frank Wedekind (1891, first performed in 1906). This play criticized the sexually oppressive culture prevalent in Europe at the time through a collection of monologues and short scenes about several troubled teens. Each one of them struggles with their puberty, which often leads to a tragic end. Like in The Loom of Youth, homosexuality is not the central focus of the play, but one character, Hänschen, is homosexual and explores his sexuality through Shakespear and paintings. The play was later turned into a famous musical. Read online in German or in English

8. Twixt Earth and Stars, by Radclyffe Hall (1906). Though it wasn’t known to many at the time, these poems were dedicated to women, some to Hall’s actual lovers. Read online

9. The Secret Confessions of a Parisian: The Countess, 1850-1871, by Arthur Berloget (published in 1895). This account is similar to the Autobiography of an Androgyne, albeit shorter. The author nowadays is thought to be a trans woman. They describe their love for women’s dresses, the euphoria from wearing dresses, makeup and wigs, the life as a “female impersonator” in Parisian cafe-concerts, and their love affair with a fellow prisoner. The autobiography is not available online, but you can read it in Queer Lives: Men’s Autobiographies from Nineteenth-Century France by William Peniston and Nancy Erber.

10. At Saint Judas’s, by Henry Blake Fuller (1896). This is possibly the first American play about homosexuality. It is very short. An excited groom is waiting for his wedding ceremony in the company of his gloomy best man. They are former lovers, and this short scene is not going to end well… Read online

Previous part is here

[sexiestpodcastcharacter]

2024 Preliminaries — The Adventure Zone — Round 2

Propaganda

Barclay:

he is literally bigfoot

Indrid Cold:

he is literally mothman. in his human!sona he wears a wifebeater and red tinted glasses. he lives in a shitty trailer and drinks exclusively eggnog. he can see the future. he is literally mothman (it bears repeating).

Kravitz:

He’s the grim reaper AND he’s gay AND he’s a nerd

he's the grim reaper, he puts on a fake cockney accent while he's on the job because he's a fucking nerd, he tried to convince Merle he was his god and almost managed it, his first date with his future husband was a wine and pottery night at the "chug and squeeze" and he thought it was a business meeting

Lup:

she is a lich she is an umbrella she is a pyromaniac. she is trans and she becomes a servant to the Raven Queen. she sees her brother for the first time in a decade and she makes fun of him for dating the grim reaper. she plays the violin and she adores her family and she loves her husband

Amber Gris:

she has extra ghost arms and punches teleporting sharks i love her

She could win tumblr sexy woman if more people knew her I stg she’s crazy she’s a lesbian she fights blinksharks with her bare hands she’s perfect

Fitzroy Maplecourt:

Introduced as quote “very sexy, very sexual” and later was confirmed as asexual so just like peak character I love him

he is a knight, he is the face of a fashion magazine modeling cloaks, he grows like a foot(??) in a magical accident, one time he accidentally turns himself into a plant in the middle of a fight. he decides to overthrow a corrupt government in his first semester of university and he fucking does it.

Montrose Pretty:

he wears a mask constantly obscuring his features and wears full-piece suits. in his free time he likes to talk to mechanical animatronics and pretend they're his family. he is a thief and a great liar. he repeatedly managed to convince multiple people that he's their long lost father to get out of trouble. he absolutely could be a deadbeat dad but isn't!

Shlabethany:

She’s an absolute shitbird. She doesn’t like potatoe chips and she hates movies. She’s a taurus, but not one of those types of tauruses. She once caught a wile fox and fed it poison! She terrible but shes also the best

Dracula:

IMAGINE DRACULA BUT IF HE WAS ALSO A CRINGE FAIL PATHETIC LITTLE MEOW MEOW WHO STARTS EVERY EPISODE WITH A DIARY ENTRY

Lady Elizabeth Godwin:

She’s an old Victorian lady who Dracula hit with a car so hard her body exploded and she got frankensteined to have the body of a body builder but her old Victorian lady head and she’s on a mission to kill Dracula

[tulipscomeinallsortsofcolors]

My brain keeps thinking about it Agatha lays awake that night thinking about how janus said "no one's ever yelled at you" to Sasha and how to her it was second nature to yell at her about "arguing" but then her son says that on the 3 years Sasha's been alive no one has yelled at her and what that must make Agatha think about with how she raised her children

YEAH and like... right up till that point, Agatha has only seen Sasha be friendly and polite and vivacious, cheerful and smiley. the realization that janus and remus and the rest of the fitzroys do not have to yell at her to get her to behave. it's unnecessary.

(the only time anyone raises their voice around her is to warn her of danger, she is never yelled at, but agatha hasnt seen that)

That her and charles belief that correction should come in the form of yelling and scolding seems to be demonstrably incorrect has got to be absolutely harrowing. because agatha loves her children, but just loving them is not always enough to parent them properly!!!

And she's already gone through this twice, with Janus being trans, with Nessa and her touch starvation - the reasons Nessa has gotten so much better in the past three years from her compromised immune system is because touch starvation is actively dangerous to children that young, it was literally making her physically ill

to be repeatedly confronted with the fact that whether they meant to or not, she and charles raised their kids and their grandchildren, children they do genuinely love, in an abusive environment and cant ever take that back. guilt alone doesn't absolve them, only being committed to doing better every day can do that (and they are) but i do have some amount of sympathy for this kind of parent

[goingsparebutwithprecision]

Five Ships In Five Fandoms

Thanking @tallangrycockatiel for the tag!

Stiles Stilinski/Derek Hale, Teen Wolf

What can I say about them that hasn't been said a thousand times before by people more eloquent than I. A classic. The ultimate comfort ship.

Cyrano/Roxane/Christian, Cyrano De Bergerac

Cannot overstate the hold these three have on my heart! One of the most excruciating canon endings of all time. I can think about them endlessly. Just rotating them forever in my mind. The Cyrano/Christian kiss from the National Theatre 2022 production lives rent free in my brain. If I loved them less I might be able to talk about them more etc etc.

Lord Peter Wimsey/Harriet Vane, the Lord Peter Wimsey mysteries

One of the slowest burns of all time. Starts with absolute clownery, the tragedy in the absurd of asking a woman on trial for the murder of her previous lover to marry you, continues with the spikiest most resentful discoveries of drift compatibility, the get-together comprises an entire book's worth of meditations on gratitude (the hatefulness thereof), inequality of gender class and intellect, whether intellectual honesty is more important than romantic loyalty (and/or one's continued ability to feed oneself), musical metaphors for relationship dynamics (anybody may have the harmony if they leave us the counterpoint!!!!!), and of course the massive continuity of ducks.

Cliopher Mdang/Fitzroy Angursell, Nine Worlds

OK actually maybe i take it back, strongest contender for slowest burn of all time??? In that these fuckers have been dancing around each other for something close to 1000 years (not a joke not an exaggeration time is fucky here). Although tbf. Tbqf&h. To be brutally Frank and Esme. I'm not sure I count those 1000 years in that we (the readers) were not actually there to witness that. But still. Where do I even start with these two.

That feeling when you've been installed as a puppet-god-king against your will for over a hundred years unable to choose your food or drink, experience sunlight, or touch another person (because if you do they will literally and immediately immolate because of magic curses) and although this would be cruel to do to anyone it is particularly cruel to do to you, nameless child and infamous anarchist poet revolutionary whose work shook the empire to its very foundations, and then you are finally sent a competent secretary who proceeds to steal your empire out from under you, dismantle it completely, institute universal basic income, universal housing, universal education, fix the post office, provide you with ships that fly?!?!, audit all of your government offices until every single speck of corruption is gone, end a world war and prevent there from every being another one, and all the while is humming your most treasonous song cycle under his breath for fully a thousand years. Oh and then he also journeys into myth and legend, through sky ocean to the house of the sun, essentially to barter fire from the gods, because he thinks he's not good enough for you.

Also such a wonderful nuanced portrayal of an ace/queerplatonic/this relationship-is-what-we-decide-it-is-but-the-most-important-thing-is-that-you're-it-for-me relationship. It's very queer. They're working it out as they go. It will break your heart and heal your heart. I cannot even.

Thara Celehar/Iana Pel-Thenhior, Cemeteries of Amalo

Another they are taking it so so slowly and I am all about it. There's a theme here somewhere I just know it. Sad wet cat detective man with life-destroying trauma talks to dead people, stray cats and this one guy who writes riot-causing opera and very gently invites him to dinner occasionally and helps him solve murder cases. We are two books in and they've only just a) held hands once and b) started using informal you to refer to each other. It's exquisite, I'm in hell.

No pressure tagging @ereborne @july-19th-club @morkaischosen @trans-cuchulainn and anyone else who's interested :)

[knuckles-bloody-for-me]

What is life like in Melbourne? I’m looking into moving there from the UK and would love some insights and whatever else from people who live and work there 💕

Well you'll find the weather familiar that's for sure. In winter I'd say we're about the same, except our sunset at the earliest was about 5:25 this year. In summer it CAN get hot, it's gotten to 40C before but mostly it's in the low 30s or high 20s.

The central area of the city is kind of dead unless you work there. There's a few big shops, similar to Nordstrom I think??? But the cafe scene in there is slim pickings. Lots of really really cool bars these days though, and most have food and nonalc options! Some absolutely gorgeous parks dotted throughout the city, and if you can get out into the countryside it's stunning in the Yarra Valley,the great Ocean road, Bright and Beechworth, Gippsland etc. Some have trains, others have to be driven to. Be warned our public transport is about 20 years behind Europe (our fastest trains are 160kmh)(I literally work for a train manufacturer so this is legit)

It gets really cool in the suburbs, you'll find local cafes all over, some great pubs and restaurants etc. Some have really vibrant communities and markets that are great, like the south melbourne market, the prahran market, Fitzroy and Brunswick are must see Melbourne suburbs and easily accessible by tram. Be aware we don't have the same grandeur as London, but I still really like it. We have beaches too and some of them are even nice lol.

The east side tends to be more expensive but has better public transport (trans and trams), while the west is a bit cheaper but underserviced (you'd be relying on buses more). Driving in some areas can suck massively, especially the central part of the city (you'd avoid driving in central London the same way).

People say Melbourne is Australia's most European city and im inclined to agree, so if that means anything to you great! We have fantastic food and coffee, and I truly don't think it's just because I live here but the people are nicer than in syndey. That's not to say everyone will smile and wave at you but if you needed help or directions most people would stop and chat, where in Sydney everyone seems to rush around more and have a bit less time.

Something you might find very different to the UK is a culture of not seeing people as much. I think in the UK you'll frequently see people for dinner through the week and its normal (I think??) Whereas here not so much. We're mostly a weekend bunch, but I'm trying to do more weeknight easy meet ups.

@idsb is another great person to ask about living in Melbourne (and I think she needs to come back 🤧)

Sydney feels like a bigger city, but Melbourne population just overtook it. Brisbane is further north on the east coast and is locally called Brisvegas. I have never spent much time there because in summer it's humid as fuck and I can't stand that and the heat.

Adelaide is small, Hobart is gorgeous and only a short flight from Melbourne, but tiny. Perth people are loving these days but I've only been once so gonna need someone else to pitch in there! Same with Darwin :)

I would love for you to tell me more about living in the UK because IM considering moving THERE!

[thrucrax]

respond to the following prompts out of character, then tag others you'd like to get to know a little bit better.

roleplayer name: foggy

roleplayer pronouns: he/it, i'm partial to anything other pronouns

muse name: fitzroy rambert goose, or just "Bert" ✌

preferred communication: i'm unreliable at being timely at replying regardless of platform, but discord is great especially if folks have more than one blog (which i do).

experience: started roleplaying online in 2010 and it was group chats, deviantart & tumblr. for about 15 years since i started online RPing when i was 10 or so.

preferred roleplay type: i can't keep up with novella type threads, but anywhere between paragraph to 5~ paragraph replies are so 🎊

pet peeves & dealbreakers: > love bombing ... i've had two separate major friendships & muse romance ships that were developed with people that told me they loved me and that i was their best friend within a week or two of meeting each other (there's like a difference between telling a friend 'i love you so much!!' and telling a friend 'OMGGGG i LOVE YOU So much you're so perfect and everything TO ME UGHHH i'm so glad you're in my life right now i love you so much you cutie'). > we don't have to be besties to develop awesome dynamics and write together! if anything i prefer it if we aren't talking every hour of every day, as that has never ended well in my experience. please take some time away from the internet.

plots or memes: it all starts with memes and then the Plotting Can Begin

are you like your muse?: I based Bert on how I felt growing up & parts of my personality I found that got me into trouble (ie trusting & naive & gullible). > the most recent time I was stuck wallowing in a pit so deep I felt so alone I couldn't bare it and I smashed together a working OC idea of invisible spiders & cosmic horrors with my pain and out came Bert. > I also share an identity with him (trans masc & some kind of non-binary).

TAGGED BY:   @embodies 🫂 thank yooou! TAGGING:   @mkoshi, @sunfate, @disrapture, @ozgog, and you!

[solreefs]

I once met a trans guy named Fitzroy. to my knowledge, he had never read kotlc. make of that what you will.

[transman-badass]

❔Choose a random WIP and talk about it.

Fuck it. Let's talk about that other Cthulhu Mythos story I've got. It's not set in the same verse as PSI, and is more... Dark academia ish than noir. Features a variation of the same protagonist though.

So this story is set in the modern day. It's about a guy (trans of course) becoming a teaching assistant to Miskatonic University's psychology professor, one T. Fitzroy Grant. The university is a spooky place, and in between the little wars between the students and the strange dreams that started the night he arrived, our hero has his hands full. Of course everything changes when the MC discovers the mummified body of an actual alien hidden in the walls. Turns out there's a little bit of a conspiracy at the University, tied to, among other things, a secret society of students that believed the mummified 'Elder Thing' was the secret to unlocking the truth - the real truth, not the truth interpreted by humans - of the universe. And it went very very badly for them. As the dreams invade his waking life and his own repressed past breathes down his neck, the MC must choose who to help, and who to go to for help. Because it's not aliens he needs to fear, not the long dead students whose pasts he's digging into. It's the entity who has always lurked in the shadows of Earth's past - a being of cunning and cruelty, worshipped by the great Cthulhu and his kind, before the war between them led to their deathless sleep - the soul and messenger of the Other Gods, the Crawling Chaos, Nyarlathotep. And whether the MC knows it or not, he is already watching...

It's another one of those stories where I'm borrowing characters from my friends. Fitz mentioned here doesn't really fit in PSI and I felt bad because I fucking love him, so I cooked up this idea so everyone could come to love him too. And since I'm borrowing characters, if I ever finish it, it'll be published for free, with links to everyone involved so you can donate to them directly. I think that's the most fair way to go about it.

Adding the tag list from PSI because I think some people might be interested:

@slenders1ckn3ss @jacquesfindswritingandadvice @redacted-metallum @actualblanketgremlin @higgs-space @phantomnations @mushabumi @assistantdirector--janson @aldhidbah @yourheartonfireblog @jade-island-lives @arsenwormwood @cecuesta @darkhorse-javert @comicgoblinart @lizadomuch @minutiaewriter @izzyspussy @passthebeat-blog-blog @dragonedged-if @andromedaexists @cyanide-latte @lillis-writes @suckerpunchfemale @late-to-the-fandom @theimperiumchronicles

[arbitrarydelight]

My newest game is out!

Sol Fitzroy is a gloomy girl starting college at her parent’s behest. She expects nothing from the prestigious Ivy University, but with soccer sweetheart Chet Chester and football star Bill Lowman, Sol might have a good time in the end.

Menage a Trois is a kinetic visual novel about a trans girl, a soccer player, and a football jock. It's been lovingly developed over several months and now it's released!

Download here: https://arbitrrrary.itch.io/menage-a-trois

(I think this game is incredibly cute and fun and you should totally play)

[rancidmice]

something something devo la main’s transness manifesting in his brash personality, partly because of knowing so few men who are not assholes, but mostly being insecure in his identity and therefore feeling the need to overperform masculinity to reinforce to everyone around him (but mostly himself) that he’s a man ✌️

also probably somewhat as a reflexive push back against the parish… everytime he opens his mouth the catholic person inside my head wants to smack him and ask if they ever taught him piety.

(also ngl devo feels like travis read all the trans fitzroy religious trauma fanfic on ao3 and said “let’s make it all real” which is actually perfect)

[innervoiceart]

This Is Australia by Marrugeku

This Is Australia Content Warning: this video contains depictions of violence, racial abuse, and police, border security and juvenile justice system brutality.

Lyrics, Vocals, Recording: Beni Bjah Directors: Dalisa Pigram and Rachael Swain - Marrugeku Producer: Gillian Moody Cinematographer: David Tran Choreography: Dalisa Pigram with Jurrungu Ngan-ga cast 2021 Music Production: Dazastah, Sam Serruys and Paul Charlier Editor and Colourist: Darrin Baker Additional Vocals: Zachary Lopez Main Cast: Ses Bero, Emmanuel James Brown, Chandler Connell, Luke Currie-Richardson, Issa El-Assaad, Ashleigh Musk, Bhenji Ra, Macon Escobar Riley, Feras Shaheen 

Filmed in the Kimberley on the lands of the Bunuba people in Fitzroy Crossing, Western Australia

Originally by Childish Gambino. A remake to “This is America” 

Marrugeku Social media accounts: Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/marrugeku Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/Marrugeku Vimeo - https://vimeo.com/marrugeku Soundcloud - https://soundcloud.com/marrugeku 

Lyrics: We just want a barbie Crack a can or two put upon your thongs Aussie day is due Oh Lest we forget The footies on tonight can’t you just get over it You know she’ll be right 

We just want a barbie Crack a can or two put upon your thongs  Aussie day is due Oh Boundless space to share Somethings gotta give Can’t you just go home Find a place to live

This is Australia Look how I’m killing ya Locking your children up Filling my prisons up

This is Australia Look how I’m fearing ya Locking your children up Filling my prisons up

  This is Australia Look how I’m treating ya Say there’s no room for ya Quick to forget your name 

This is Australia Cops in my area Locking ya up Cause white man we scared of ya

  Yeh yeh Im’a go into this Ah ah forgetting our history Yeh yeh locking up refugees Ah ah oh how the irony Yeh yeh showing their fear in us Na na not knowing who we are Yeh yeh chuck you in Manus cause This is Australia 

Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh, tell somebody You go tell somebody Grandma told me “Get your land back” Get your land back, Black man Get your land back, Black man Get your land back, Black man Get your land back, Black man

This is Australia Look how you’re killing us Locking our children up Filling them prisons up 

This is Australia Look how I’m fearing ya Locking our children up Filling your prisons up

Take the pulse of my nation You can see the fear (fear) So casual with the racism You’re in denial here (here) Walk around with your face screwed up We can see it clear (clear) You want us all locked up hood strapped Don Dale style brother can you hear (what) 

We ain’t be asking for much (na) Just want our land back a bunch (yeh) Media stay on the hunt (ah) Spreading that fear over brunch (daily) 

Djabugay, Bunuba, Noongar Man Wiradjuri, Anangu, Yawuru Man They want us all in the lock up Or getting shot by the copper Blow 

This is Australia Home of the young and free sailed over seven seas labelled a refugee

  This is Australia Fear of the unknown What we don't understand We wanna send home 

Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh Ooh, tell somebody Australia, the Pacific Solution killed us and you mothafuckas owe us! Grandma told me Get your land back, Black man Get your land back, Black man Get your land back, Black man Get your land back, Black man 

-  Beni Bjah 2020

 Copyright - Marrugeku Inc. 2022

[diaswackyimagedump]

So, I’m going to reply to here rather than later on in this absolute disaster post thread because there is a more reasonable and important discussion to be had about it than whatever the fuck happened there. I’ve got a long response that is essentially just a scattered pro-longevity research essay, so if you’re just not interested in that feel free to ignore this response and move on.

1) “it happens to everyone, it’s inevitable” isn’t itself the best take. Zoe Bee goes into this a bit in the video “Prager U and the Politics of Pain” ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhWxDgJv7PI ) , but right-leaning political angles will often dumb-down problems that carry with them harms as “inevitable” and not something to bother further examining to see if harm can be reduced, so as to justify specific inactions politically aligned with them such as inaction on climate change or covid. While I cannot say this is definitely the case for all possible deaths ever, past, present or future, I can say that the reality of death by age-related illnesses specifically is that they operate under observable mechanics that can be interfered with and are becoming increasingly more easily done so, and thus should not be so easily dismissed. I would not advise ever leaning on “it’s inevitable” in an argument and leaving it at that, because in situations like this one further examination tends to prove little if anything framed as such actually being so. 2) This point is directed at sno-fitzroy, but regarding aging as “unnatural” is an absolute nonsense take. I would, however, also like to note that the a wide variety of things that are harmful beyond the aging process are also natural and exist separate from human constructs (looking at you, dolphins). Just as well, I find arguments that frame human artifice as “unnatural” to be similarly unconvincing. We are a very small sample size of species, with a very easily visible impact due to our actions by their sheer magnitude, but the rudimentary/low magnitude forms of technology and society development have been frequently observed in the animal kingdom outside of humans (prairie dog language is something everyone should learn more about). As such, I feel associating “natural” with “good” as you implicitly do by joining “aging” and “unnatural” in an argument about aging being bad is just not great argument. 3) (sorry this one’s the longest) I feel we should really be looking at this as a discussion about bodily autonomy, harm reduction, and how we deal with disability. The fact of the matter is nobody dies of old age, people die of insufficiently treated illnesses that all develop over the course of our lives due to the aging process, and any medicines that successfully treat these things more effectively will invariably have direct consequences on a person's ability to die from them. I don’t think it’s too hot a take that people should be able to consent to changes done to their body, it would not be a very pregnancy pro-choice position in an argument to say otherwise, and moreover I believe that people should have a right to change their bodies to fit the life they desire to live, for it would not be a very pro-trans rights position in an argument to suggest otherwise. Thus I feel it’s important to say I believe that any physiological process whose regular function unmodified would lead to an outcome not consented to, that can be interfered with in such a way as to lead to an outcome that is consented to, should be interfered with in such a way. That should be a pretty mormal take for these parts, yeah? Above, in the response by sno-fitzroy, I see a very warped position based on a limited understanding of a very real situation, which is that most of the illnesses that accrue with age result in a lower quality of life and the development of disabilities. This is an important part of the disagreements on the matter, that having an anti-aging position tends to circle back around to some pretty ableist talking points. Hardcore anti-aging people (such as anti-wrinkle communities) will frame getting old as something universally horrible in health and appearance, and that to them nobody should ever live a life so horrible and thus we should stop aging all together for everyone, erasing it. This is, of course, pretty fucked, especially for the people who are in their youth living with disabilities/chronic illnesses of similar impact on their lives but are otherwise happy in their lives and embrace this aspect of themselves, which is something they should have the right to do. Differing appearance, behavior and ability should always be accommodated without compromise, and it is pretty appalling how quickly many of the harder anti-aging crowd will unknowingly (or fully knowingly) throw people with disabilities under the bus by arguing for the eradication of things that may define those people and matter to them individually. It is a very important thing I feel to make sure that all places can accommodate people of all abilities and appearances, and that is something I feel most societies that could be acting upon are definitely lagging behind on. That said, it is important and right I feel to make sure that tools exists for these people to opt into should they choose under the belief that it would improve their quality of life. To compare to different ranges of disabilities, consider how we might support those with physical disability, like disability to mobility. Buildings should obviously all have ramps and elevators for people who need wheeled mobility aids to move, but I feel people who believe they would be happier with prosthetic limbs or a spine bypass surgery should have unhindered access to them as well, you know? Or let’s look at neurodivergent people like myself? I’m pretty sure it’s a reasonable take to say we should not be shunned or even regarded in any way as Other, but those that would seek medication to improve some aspect of their lives should definitely have access to those medications which can do this, and be supported in getting those medications, right? Not a hot take, yeah? What someone believes is a limitation to their life for them should be up to them to decide 100%, and I feel it is important to make sure nobody feels limited at base (in this case with aging, I feel nobody should ever have to live feeling like their life will not be long enough to satisfy them) while also having access to whatever tools they feel they need to overcome a limitation they believe they suffer under that is not at base addressed (in this case, medical tech that would allow them to continue to consciously exist and pursue whatever unfulfilled aspect of their life they deemed relevant to them past the timeframe typically allowed by an unmodified body). 4) For those that would see an aged form as one to eliminate due to superficial reasons, I would strongly disagree, I feel it is one that should be embraced and accepted, to appear mature or experienced is not bad and I find people who reject it very confusing. It is pretty nasty how these people treat the physical characteristics of aging and the way they do so, while technically not traditional ableism, is definitely ageist by projecting a body standard that excludes those that have embraced the appearances that come with old age, and is a behavior in the anti-aging community that needs to be fucking unlearned if we really support bodily autonomy. That said, I also believe even the most superficial angle for anti-age proponents, such as the anti-wrinkle crowd, ought to have access to a means fulfilling their shallow vanity. I say this simply because to say they shouldn’t is not a very pro-body art position to make in an argument. I unfortunately have to say as someone who supports cosmetic bodily modification/art I can’t really fault the action of using anti-aging medicine for what they believe to be achieving a self-actualizing form, one that overall happens to be just themselves but less wrinkly. We’re Urabrask stans in this house, so the old and weathered form is accepted and appreciated, but we also embrace those that would remake themselves however they wish. Do what you want with you. 5) (sorry, another long one) An important angle of the discussion that I feel is obviously known but not really addressed in sufficient light is how corps and billionaires are basically subverting emerging fields and technologies that could and should be accessible to everyone? To elaborate for this discussion’s context, as previously established, nobody dies of old age, just health complications relating to old age, and thus any initiative with a legitimate medical background seeking to increase human lifespan is in reality an initiative trying to develop medicines that prevent or cure specific kinds of ailment caused by the aging process, right? Well, many such initiatives do actually exist and, thanks to the fact that we kinda sorta live in the future and not the 90s anymore, it’s turning out that more than a couple of these initiatives are developing fruitful research that could see use within the lifetimes of people currently living today. The problem is, well, they need funding as all initiatives in this hellscape economic/elitist academic system do, and because the stated goal is so easily dismissed by the uninterested or the uninformed these initiatives are desperate, and turn to whatever promises they can. Enter big money and fucking crypto. Currently Lifespan.io and the Methuselah Foundation, two of the bigger names in the field of research funding and advocacy, have been dealing with cryptobros, advertising for web 3 bullshit, and I believe the Methuselah foundation had at one point put out NFTs? And that’s fucking sick, because the medicines these foundations are trying to promote are good, actually, in that they would increase the bodily autonomy and quality of life improvement options for any place that had access to them, but then here come these fuckwads who would take hopes related to these initiatives and try to exploit the fact that many of the people invested are extremely so by existential fear or by desperation for relief from current life quality-lowering illness and thus vulnerable to empty promise. I see this time and time again, and it makes want to tear my hair out, because when I do I also see discussion around this as a fault of the science, as if only the ultra wealthy could ever want not to live with what develops from sufficient age, and these initiatives are nothing more than an extension of their greed. As someone who hopes for a society not driven by profit incentive but by self actualization, where people live their lives until they are satisfied with the lives they lived, however long that might be, and ALSO because I am someone in academia trying to tread water with all this societal/economic bullshit going on, this is endlessly frustrating. Tools and medicine people could be benefiting from are being subverted by late stage capitalism, have been for decades, and quite frankly I’d appreciate it if people looked at emerging new tech and, for once, said “what if we subvert it the other way?” instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater and vilifying/dismissing the field itself. Hopefully these points are, like, better to chew on than whatever the fuck sno-fitzroy was going on about in that discussion I skipped to reply here as food for thought, and I hope this leads to a more understanding conversation on the matter. If I fucked up my editing or my reasoning somewhere, please let me know, I am have adhd/autism and my ability to proofread my own work is nonexistent.

scrunching my face real hard rn