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Question for my fellow khux-players/members of the fandom since before it ended!
Not including Ephemer because he was never really a "suspect". Lauriam's also out because I think a majority of people thought he was the traitor until the Sibling reveal lol
#Rosie rambles#kingdom hearts#kingdom hearts union x#khux#kh ventus#ventus#kh skuld#skuld#kh brain#brlaine#I didn't see many traitor skuld theories but they were there
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ok immediate first thoughts
very curious how there's mention of a calamitous star. from a meteor shower. and of course this is in relation to player2 but i cant help thinking of kairi too (and ven) - their arrival on DI literal lead to all the bad shit happening. its not their fault but. curious
to add to that, player2 is referred to as a drifter, A drifter, meaning this is not a singular occurrence. hell maybe theres new people just falling out of the sky every other monday
actually they seem to be looking for THE calamitous star, so this is just 'whos the traitor 2.0'
the societies/founders seem to have control over things, pleaseeeeee let this lead into more 'light side can be bad' exploration. leading things with an iron fist and terrible bureaucracy in the name of light
fragments of memories (i assume they mean the new medal figures) are the new lux to fight over
why the hell does the new completely red character have blue hair it clashes so bad with his design...
the second 'astral (plane)' was said i got horrible flashbacks to ffxv. but it does make sense (as much as anything in kh does). since this is a world plunged into darkness and scala is the only habitable place, i assume anyway, it makes sense theyd have to delve into another realm of some kind to visit other places. and we did data and dreams already and our next thing is unreality or 4th wall breaking so
that ephemer skuld chirithy heart station 🥺🥺🥺 but this is honestly wild, this is the first time we see a station with several focal characters on it. are their hearts melded? or is it just some sort of representation? of scalas heart?
we got another new silver haired character to add to the roster! with blue eyes booooo. but im really curious about her. seems to me we are supposed to draw a connection to ephemer here
Brain always looks so lonely...
dawg not another beta... im glad theyre polishing it so much dont get me wrong but at this rate ill have to get a new phone just to play this without blowing my phone up
additionally:
several fighting societies would explain why theres several scala islands. which leads to my theory of most og kh worlds having evolved from said islands (this was confirmed to not just be an illusion of memory scala in kh3 with khdr)(when you go oob you can see that the islands are numbered)
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Who Killed Strelitzia?
Ava, Ven, Skuld, and Darkness. The four mostly likely to have killed Strelitzia based on the information we have now. The fandom seems to lean more towards the former two, while I believe it was one of the later two
First, to go over what we know
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Strelitzia's Chirithy spotted Player and Skuld walking into the house to meet with Gula (x)(x) and immediately ran to get their wielder (x), to the confusion of Elrena's Chirithy (x). While Player and Skuld were in the house, Ava's and Luxu's keyblades clashed (x) and the clock tower tolled, starting the war. This prompted Gula to tell them to head back as their "Union Leaders will probably call for an assembly", at which point Player and Skuld split up, the latter saying she was "going to go join the other Dandelions" (x)
Not long after, Strelitzia arrived at what at first seemed like an empty house (x). As the two are getting ready to leave, Strelitzia is stabbed. Her Chirithy asks "Why...?" and on the zoom out the killer has disappeared. Then you get Strelitzia's last wish as she walks to the doorway and then she dies.
I'll go down the list, giving for and against arguments for each character
Ava
For:
Knew that Strelitzia was chosen as a Union Leader. And--as far as we know--her, MoM, and Luxu were the only ones who knew. MoM and Luxu taking out a chosen wielder and inserting someone different, going against what was supposed to happen doesn't seem likely. Not unless Strelitzia wasn't supposed to be a Union Leader, which also doesn't seem likely
Has the ability to create illusions (x). Would give an explanation as to why the killer was shrouded in darkness, and possibly even giving her the ability to appear in two places at once. There is also a theory that Ava became Darkness, being able to do so because of this ability
Her wording when she gave Brain his role and the BoP seems odd and rather suspicious (x)(x). General consensus as of now is that she either gave Brain the BoP when she wasn't supposed to or straight up inserted him into the Union Leaders when he wasn't picked by MoM. This is supported by Luxu saying in Secret Report 11 "One of the Five is an impostor, someone the Master did not choose. They represent a virus in the program he so carefully wrote. The virus has begun a strange undertaking: a reckless plot to allow the Five to escape into another worldline" (x). In addition, Brain calls himself a virus (x) and is possibly named after the first computer virus (x)
Chirithy's "Why...?" possibly implies that they knew the killer. And as far as we know, the only suspects Chirithy had previously met or seen was Ava and Skuld. Chirithy has also probably met Lauriam before, but based on Lauriam's inner thoughts on his search to find Strelitzia as denoted by the parentheses (x)(x) he didn't know what had happened to her, much less that she'd been killed
She didn't notice Strelitzia wasn't with the Dandelions. While we don't know just how many Dandelions escaped the war, you'd think Ava would keep an eye out to make sure all the future Union Leaders were accounted for before taking them to the new world. However, Lauriam didn't notice Strelitzia wasn't there either so maybe there were too many to keep track of who all showed up (added 11 Dec 2019)
Against:
Brain was given his role as a Union Leader and the BoP 4 years ago (x). How long they've been in the simulation is unknown, but based on Ephemer's conversation with the player (x) it's been a while. However, with everyone being able to recall events that happened before the war with relative ease, I'd say it hasn't been years since the war. I'd venture a guess to say it's been months, maybe a year at most. In addition, given that Ava didn't say that the war would be happening soon unlike all the other times we've seen her tell the other chosen, he was probably one of, if not the first to be given his new role
She was fighting Luxu shortly before Strelitzia was killed (x)(x)(x)(x)(x). We don't know how long the fight lasted, but unless she was able to create an illusion or the fight ended extremely quickly, she wouldn't have been able to find Strelitzia and kill her in that time
The Dandelions were to meet up after the bells. Skuld said she was going to meet up with the other Dandelions (x), at which point Ava would send them to the outside world (x). So Ava would have had to given the role of Union Leader to a Dandelion that she had either pulled aside from where they were meeting or found them before they had met up with everyone. We don't know how quickly the Dandelions were sent off, but it had to have been in the span of the few days (x) between the bells and the war. However, Elrena's Chirithy says the new Union Leaders were introduced shortly after (x) Strelitzia's Chirithy ran off to find her
She gave Strelitzia her role what was probably only a day before she was killed. Ava says that the it wouldn't be long before the world ends (x) which immediately cuts away to Strelitzia in her room thinking about her being a Union Leader and what's going to happen. Upon her realizing that Player isn't a Dandelion she debates going out to find them (x) before saying she'll wait in Fountain Square for them early tomorrow (x) which is where Chirithy finds her and tells her that she spotted Player (x). This leads to her going to the house in which she dies. So unless during the cut away days pass or she waited at Fountain Square for multiple days, Strelitzia was killed the day after she received the book
Brain was given his book first, then Ephemer, then Strelitzia. As stated above, Brain was given his role 4 years ago. Ephemer was sent not long before the war to prepare everything as Ava would be sending the dandelions "soon" (x) and that there wasn't "much time left" (x), and Strelitzia what was mostly likely only a day before. Meaning Strelitzia could have very well been the last of them to receive the book, so why would she kill her when she only just informed her of her role? Unless what Luxu said really shook her to her core and she quickly tried to make a last minute change
Only one (1) member of the Union Leaders was someone MoM didn't choose, as stated in Secret Report 11. This means that if it is to be believe that Brain wasn't a chosen Union Leader, then whoever killed Strelitzia was meant to have been a Union Leader in the first place. So if Ava was trying to change things, why would she pick the person chosen by MoM that she had previously skipped over for the role of Union Leader?
Ven
For:
He was very young. Ven was ~16 (x) during BBS, and had been living with Master Eraqus, Terra, and Aqua for 4 years, making him ~12 when he trained under Xehanort. Which means that he was 12 or younger during his time as a Union Leader and selected my MoM when he was 8 or younger due to at least 4 years passing (x). Which means at the time MoM chose what was essentially a 2nd or 3rd grader to lead the others in 4 years time. So either MoM was being extra chaotic, or he never actually chose Ven
Xehanort was able to create Vanitas from his Darkness. We've never seen this tempted again, so it's unknown if it's possible to do this with everyone that has darkness in their hearts, or if Ventus had more darkness than what could be considered normal which was then used to give birth to Vanitas
He said he'd barely spoken to Ava (x). And based on previous interactions Ava's had when telling the new Union Leaders their roles (x)(x), she tends to talk a lot
His Keyblade. Claims he's not particularly good at anything and never at the top of the rankings (x), yet has a fully leveled Missing Ache (x). Not only is this Keyblade the fourth to last one you get when playing (x), it's also a Dark Speed Keyblade (x)
Against:
Only one of the new Union Leaders was an impostor. So unless Brain was chosen by MoM, Ventus was meant to be a leader in the first place which takes out the first and last points of For
As far as we know, he didn't know Strelitzia had the book
Skuld
For:
The new Union Leaders weren't supposed to come in contact with one another (x). While we don't know if that meant meeting each other knowing they were to be Union Leaders or meeting each other in general, we don't know. But Skuld had a feeling Ephemer would be there (x) which seems to go against what Ava wanted. In addition, this isn't outright confirmed by Ava, rather Brain speculating and Ava saying he's "always been a bright one"
Ephemer talked to her about the end of the world (x). Ephemer showed up in her dream (x), and even though she said he told her nothing except to meet up with Player and go with them, her story quickly changes. We don't actually know how much Ephemer told her either
Ava told her that she had chosen Ephemer to replace her and lead the Dandelions (x). This means that Skuld knew about Ephemer, which again contradicts the first point. In addition, while Ava talked about a war with the Dandelions, she never talked about others replacing her (x), possibly allowing Skuld and only Skuld to infer that there would be someone to replace each of the Union Leaders who had to take part in the war
She split up with Player right before Strelitzia was killed (x). We don't see her again after that until she and Ephemer go to get Player, so it's unknown if she went straight to where the other Dandelions were gathered or not
She's been compared to Ava quite a few times (x)(x)(x). So if you believe Ava might have killed Strelitzia then Skuld, who is quite similar, could have gone through with it as well
Her eyes. Yes, I'm using the fact that Skuld has golden brown eyes as a point because the only characters we've seen with eyes that aren't blue, purple, green, teal, or silver is Skuld and those possessed by Darkness. Even the reoccurring Dandelions seem to have one of the above eye colors. The only exception may be Brain and that's 'cause I can't tell what colors his eyes are since it's so dark
Again, Chirithy's "Why...?" possibly implies that they knew the killer. And they had previously seen Skuld going into that building with Player
Against:
To the first point of For, Lauriam and Strelitzia obviously knew each other being siblings. Lauriam claimed to have not seen her much after he convinced her to join the Dandelions (x) sometimes within the two years before her death (x), but that doesn't change the fact that they met beforehand. So unless Ava didn't know (which seems unlikely), the new Union Leaders were allowed to meet and know each other as long as they didn't know about the other being chosen.
Again, only one of the new Union Leaders was an impostor. Either Ava messed up big time when telling Skuld about Ephemer, Brain was chosen by MoM, or Ava decided after meeting her that Skuld wouldn't be included in the Union Leaders
As far as we know, she didn't know Strelitzia had the book
Darkness
For:
It's Darkness. Taking on the name of what they're fighting and helping Maleficient is all kinds of shady
The book could have been given to another. Just because Strelitzia was killed by someone, doesn't mean that person was the one to become the new Union Leader in her place. The killer could have easily passed the role onto another
We don't know anything about them. As with the Ava is Darkness Theory, Darkness could actually be anybody. We don't know their abilities, we don't know if that black blob is their true form or not, we don't know their motives. All we know is that they have knowledge of the future, know MoM's plans, and know how to travel forward in time (x)(x). Because of this they could even be someone already on this list
Against:
As far as we know, they didn't know Strelitzia had the book. This is excluding the Ava is Darkness Theory
And now for some honorable mentions I've seen
Lauriam - almost completely cleared of suspicion
Brain - almost completely cleared of suspicion
Strelitzia's Chirithy - doubted Strelitzia and would've been able to inform other's about her role
Gula - in the house where Strelitzia was killed
Luxu - could've known she was to be a Union Leader
MoM - would've known she was to be a Union Leader
Luxord's Somebody - there are claims that he's Darkness, plus we haven't seen him yet
Demyx's Somebody - there are claims that he's MoM, plus we haven't seen him yet
While going over this I did notice that some of the new Union Leaders are similar to the old ones and maybe MoM just picked those that could take over in both role and personality. Ava = Skuld (obviously) and Strelitzia = Invi with the whole watching thing. Kinda falls apart after that though with Aced, as grumpy as he can be
Obviously I'm biased but really I don't care too much on who it was; I just want this game of Clue to be over and to find out who killed my precious baby angel. Just think of all the possibilities for art and fics and photoshoots
Let me know if there are any tags I should add, if I missed anything, if any of the links or information are incorrect, if there are any typos, and feel free to comment any ideas or theories.
Crossposted from Pillowfort
#kingdom hearts#kh#khux#kingdom hearts union x#kingdom hearts theory#kh theory#khux theory#traitor ava theory#traitor ventus theory#traitor ven theory#traitor skuld theory#ava#ventus#skuld#strelitzia#kh darkness#who killed strelitzia#it speaks
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(Already on my Instagram and Twitter. No repost ya, tq~ 😊)
#Kingdom Hearts#Kingdom Hearts 3#KHuX#Kingdom Hearts Union X#Ventus#Ephemer#Skuld#Brain#Lauriam#somehow ven always lose his memories and have a habit of sleeping eh? hahaha#please stay innocent my son#BUT his traitor theory is still yummy :3#my fanart#KEJU Illustration (Miniature BG) sample
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*x-files theme plays*
#DGFBSDJKGBSDKG I'LL KEEP THIS STUPID THEORY ALIVE FOR AS LONG AS I CAN#traitor ventus#kh#khux#kingdom hearts#kingdom hearts union x#ventus#skuld#ephemer#brain#blaine#dead moon
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So we know the traitor is the one who bears the recusant’s sigil and we know that’s just a fancy name for Xehanort’s Xs
What if the traitor is Subject X? The mysterious amnesiac girl’s identity is reduced to a single letter, and we’re dealing with a book that records the future. No one ever said the traitor had to have the sigil at the time of the betrayal...
#kingdom hearts#kingdom hearts union x#don't mind me having a moment#I'm just tired and being dumb haha#I mean I like the Ava is the traitor theory so if X really is Ava then it Fits.#but I also like the X is Skuld theory and the 'the traitor is a dandelion' but not sure how to fit in Skuld being a traitor#I'm also just curious what it means to be a traitor in this case though#because it sounds like it just means deviating from the book#although things are still on course anyway despite their best efforts
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ARTWORK BY TETSUYA NOMURA
My theories and opinions. No I do not have proof nor facts to back up my theories, they are just thoughts. This is Kingdom Hearts anything can happen.
Yes I'm about to ramble and analyze the crap out of this because it is absolutely b e a utiful.
First off Larxene definitely has a secret. For her to be as nice as she was in UnionX as Elrena and her completely flipping the switch in KH as Larexene just had me thinking she has something to do with SOMETHING lol or the no heart thing got to her. Pika pika.
Xehanort is protected behind his army of minions. But he's still involved! Making me believe he is still important to the storyline. Also thinking we will not be seeing Xemnas nor Ansem anymore. Rip to the Lord of Nothingness and Rip to the Dark Seeker. Riku literally says he will miss Ansem and I believe both of their deaths were touching...in a way. Xemnas was my fav villain. Young Xehanort was just evil to me lmao. And just wondering, isn't Xehanorts life/ timeline be in repeat mode now....like a endless loop because of the time travel...if so will this happen to Sora....? Is it already taking place....
Riku looks bad ass, enough said💙
Axel looks like he just smoked a doobie...gotitmemorized
STRELITZIAAA is sleeping! Directly across from Namine who is awake! Makes me think they are connected maybe.
Brain is looking downward and is the only one looking down out of the Union leaders drawn telling me he has a different path set than them. Luxu and Gula are also in the same position making me think maybe they will appear in the Missing Link or in that same storyline. Brain is in the same position as young Eraqus makes me believe which is not confirmed yet that Brain is in fact related to Eraqus. Skull and Ephemer are facing opposite directions. They were split up. Skulls pod worked and sent her to the future but Ephemers did not and he remained there and rebuilt Scala out of the remenents of Daybreak Town...how? THE MASTERS DEFENDER! Which is a keyblade, that is now Aquas, in which completely transformed Land of Departure into Castle Oblivion and vice versa. This trick had to of been done before...and just to say Skuld is the only one really looking off into a different direction from everyone else....she is subject X from the secret reports....well we think she is, not confirmed yet. Some think subject X is Ava but nooo its Skuld. but anyway back to this "X" it was a random X on a message from Nomura at the event and the pattern in the background of the art has patterns of continuous "x"s. Was that Nomura hinting to us about KHIV reveal or KHIV being about SUBJECT '"X".....I mean the 4 columns and one was missing...Sora holding up 1 and 2 and 3 fingers....it could have been predicted easily. Maybe Nomuras "X" is more than we think...like always.
MASTER OF MASTERS up there playing puppet master with Ira and Invi right by his side. But Ava and Aced are completely turned looking the other way.. And im just going to say I think Gula is the true traitor and Luxu is the scapegoat just like Xehanort ya know it's the "x" that makes me think they all had the same type of role to play. Like a vessel for darkness or something. Anyway Gula wanted to summon KH to bring back the master so idk that rings traiter to me..but Ava agreed with Brain if you know what the future holds what is the point of the future, so like Ava questioned the universe. She did not want to believe the fate of the world and maybe she tried to change it..did she take that leap like Sora? Is this why she is missing...she disagreed with Gula on summoning Kingdom Hearts because she wanted to stay true to the Masters teachings. But maybe her role made her do other wise.
Mickey, Donald and Goofy smack dab in the middle makes me think maybe we will be able to have them as playable characters! At the end of the KHIV trailer Goofy and Donald are alone and maybe on a mission from the King himself.
DEMYX AND XIGBAR/LUXU LOOK SUSPECT AS HELL! They are literally smiling at eachother. MoM&Luxu......
DarkRoad Xehanort is looking up to young Eraqus(light) and young Eraqus is looking down to DR Xehanort (darkness). CANT WAIT FOR DARK ROAD IN AUGUST!
I'm just going to say Eraqus and Xehanort really do remind me of young Sora and young Riku..........
Nomura is peaking out behind Luxord making sure we don't forget about that wild card Luxord gave Sora! IT MAY CHANGE THE TABLES!
Vanitas is holding 4 fingers up as if to be saying yea you ain't seen the last of me.
Aqua and Kairi lookin right at us along with Roxas over there heeeyy.
Ven got his teddy bear.
Saix/Isa is gazing at the moon probably.
Terra is a God.
Ienzo in his lab get up about to crack the code to Kingdom Hearts!
Marluxia/Lauriam is fabulous like always.
REP RIKU I SEE YOU
Vexen/Even is definitely checkin out older Sora....
Damn I forgot Xion....
Also, I noticed Sora is cut off. He is in his own space cut off from everyone else, with his own backgrounds. Makes sense because he is cut off from his reality in Quadratum right now. Meaning I think KHIV will be just a Sora game and his journey through Quadratum or/and other worlds. His KHIV look is much older making me feel he is ready for a big boy journey.. even Donald confirmed how much more mature Sora is getting in one of the loading screens in KHIII. Will our Beloved Keyblade Wielder travel alone and carry the weight of 3 half pints by himself this time?👇
Thank you for listening to my rambling. Your a keeper 🤞 Ask me anything I love to talk KH.
#KHIV#kingdom hearts#tetsuya nomura#official artwork#analysis#rambling#my theories#my opinions#my thoughts#may your 💙 be your guiding 🗝
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KH: The Foreteller’s Animal Masks
This is half fun facts / half theory but basically it’s a list of which Sins/Foretellers are associated with which animals AND where the inspirations for the animal associations came from, since there’s actually a few different sources!
The first would be the Ancrene Wisse, which was a sort of field guidebook for Anchoresses (Female Abbesses/Monks/Nuns basically) containing rules of conduct and behavior
https://www.hermitary.com/articles/ancrene.html
This goes into many things that honestly have cool thematic ties with symbolism for stuff in Kingdom Hearts, which I could honestly make a whole post in it’s own for tbh, but for here were focusing on one passage:
“The wilderness is the solitary life of the anchoress's dwelling, for just as in the wilderness there are all the wild beasts, and they will not endure men coming near but flee when they hear them, so should anchorites, above all other women, be wild in this way, and then they will be desirable, above other women, to Our Lord.
In this wilderness are many evil beasts: the lion of pride, the snake of poisonous envy, the unicorn of anger, the bear of dead sloth, the fox of covetousness, the sow of gluttony, the scorpion with the tail of stinging lechery, that is, lust.”
So, we start out with a nice base for some of the Sin/Foretellers:
Ira - Wrath - Unicorn - Unicornis
Avaritia - Greed - Fox - Vulpes
Acedia - Sloth - Bear - Ursus
Invidia - Envy - Snake - Anguis
but then wait, here Gula/Gluttony is a Sow, a Pig, but in KH it’s a Leopard
As well as recently in KH, they’ve made it clear that Luxu/Luxuria is a Goat, not a Scorpion (As cool as a Scorpion would have been for Luxu’s emblem, but a bit too on the nose I suppose haha)
Well, interestingly enough, did you know that back when the 7 deadly sins was actually more like the 8 Evil Things once? And that they were also grouped into a Trio of their own?
(Despair as Tristitia being the 8th one, because it’s essentially the sin of falling to sorrow/sadness or giving up, of blinding yourself to other’s troubles and causing sorrow in return or being too sorrowful to act, later it was folded into Sloth as a lack of diligence)
But the 3 Major sin groupings was essentially the three Reasons that people would sin the deadly sins
Incontinence: Doing wrong because they couldn't help it. Or sinning from a lack of moderation or self-control.
Violence: Doing wrong because of anger, revenge or retaliation. Or sinning from by trying to force your will externally
Fraud/Corruption: Doing wrong on purpose in order to hurt other's. Or sinning from betrayal, lies and manipulation.
These three things form a sort of Unholy Trinity in opposition with the Divine trinity of Father-Son-Holy Spirit
And, very famously, Dante’s Inferno links these three groupings to three creatures from a famous bible verse describing the destruction of humanity via it's own nature:
Jeremiah 5:6 - “Therefore a lion from the forest shall slay them, and a wolf from the desert shall destroy them. A leopard is watching against their cities, every one who goes out of them shall be torn in pieces because their transgressions are many, their apostasies are great.”
A Lion, A Leopard and A Wolf.
Now based on Dante’s actual writing which grouping with which animal and which sins is often debated, but usually it’s roughly as follows:
Leopard of Incontinence: Gluttony, Greed, Luxuria (from Immoderation, Extravagance, Wastefulness)
Lion of Violence: Wrath, Pride (from Murder, Suicide, Squandering, Blasphemy)
Wolf of Fraud/Corruption: Envy, Sloth, Sorrow/Despair (Tristitia) (from Corruption, Thievery, Falsifier, Betrayal) (yeah... old timey people did indeed view what was essentially depression as a “willful” sin aka something people did on purpose to hurt themselves, like they drown in their sorrows willingly because of a refusal to heal themselves or as a willing corruption of their soul, nowadays if it existed would definitely be thought of a Leopard sin I’d think)
So here it’s very easy to see where Leopardos and Gula get tied together, because in KH the sin of Gluttony is lifted above the other’s in the group, which makes sense because being gluttonous for money is greed, being gluttonous for luxuries was Luxuria (or sex for lust)
And here also, the Sin of Pride/Superbia is again associated with the Lion as it is in the Ancrene Wisse (though it’s also associated with Wrath strongly as well, so no wonder MoM chose Ira to be the next leader after he was gone)
So in all likelihood, this means that the symbol of the Master of Masters is most likely a Lion of Pride, Superbia (and if he had his own union, it might be something like Leo or Panthera)
But honestly the biggest thing that definitely makes MoM the Lion of Pride is the passage in the Ancrene Wisse that elaborates upon the Lion of Pride, describing it as having “many cubs”:
“But the author continues the animal analogies, enumerating a classification of the sins. "The lion of pride has very many cubs," he states, and enumerates them: vainglory, indignation, hypocrisy, presumption, disobedience, loquacity, blasphemy, impatience, contumacy, contention, "airs and graces." “
Reminds me of both MoM’s many apprentices or Master Xehanort’s collection in the organization
Though the REAL reason is also because did you know when KH was still being thought of and designed, Nomura actually wanted to make Sora a Half-Lion Chainsaw Wielder and we all know Sora is secretly the MoM right lol
But anyway, that explains Gula being a Leopard
So then where did all this talk of Luxu being a Goat come from?
Well one reason could be that later on as the deadly sins got solidified as just the seven of them, and as their meanings changed from umbrella terms to more specific sins, their animal interpretations also started to differ:
Avarice/Greed = Toad/Frog
Invidia/Envy = Snake
Ira/Wrath = Lion
Acedia/Sloth = Snail
Gula/Gluttony = Pig
Luxuria/Lust = Goat
Superbia/Pride = Peacock
Also Ira with a Lion mask would be cool but can you imagine a Snail Aced or a Froggy Ava? lol
But it IS Cool to think that these “Modernized” animals could then become the emblems of the Union Leaders that inherited Ava’s legacy, since they are the newer versions of those Unions, obviously there’s no one to Inherit MoM’s legacy
But you could easily think of Ventus as the “Traitor” aka the scapeGoated 6th for the new group, leaving Frogs, Snakes, Lions, Snails and Pigs for the other five
(I wonder who I’d put with who... Ephemer, Skuld, Lauriam, Strelitzia and Brain... the only sin associated with Death would be Wrath (As Suicide) and the “Ira” position appears to be the one who inherits the leader, and it’s theorized Strelitzia was the circled name supposed to get the Book of Prophecies
So Strelitzia = Lion/Wrath
Ephemer and Ava always seemed to be the closest and he was the one who seemed to inherit her Legacy the most so he can get Frogs/Greed
Brain is similar to Gula in how they calmly investigate issues and try to uncover the truth and got extra information than the others, so Pigs/Gluttony for him
Lauriam was the poster boy for temptation into darkness, which is what Darkness was intended when his sister Strelitzia was killed, for him to be the first to fall to rage and grief, nice Aced parallel as the one everyone suspected of falling to darkness first so he gets Snails/Sloth, fitting for the flower elemental lol
and that leave Skuld and Invi which also makes sense as the parallel for the person who tries to intervene in conflicts and mediate for the group, so Skuld gets Snake/Envy
Neat!
But anyway back to Luxu, I think Luxu is represented by the Goat not just because of the above modern listings, but also because of the special place of evil that Christian religions tend to place on Goat itself
If the Lamb is the most common symbol of Jesus Christ, the Goat has always been a symbol of the Evil of Lucifer. Sheep and Goats, despite being so similar, have always been seen as this symbolic duo. Sheep and Lambs being submissive, complacent, docile, while Goats are crazy, willful, destructive and etc likely because since they are so close in nature, they are basically seen as the Good and Evil version of the same animal, a Goat is essentially a heretical false Lamb
They are very commonly associated with the Devil/Lucifer himself and goats have always gotten the short end of stick, all the way back to the old tradition of using goats as well, scape-goats literally. The practice of singling out a particular creature or person and placing all the sin and blame onto it, and then driving it away
Luxu is singled out from the group, likely given the role of “Traitor” amongst the six of them and then is forced into essentially exile to the future by MoM where he can do nothing but watch and wait, never able to interfere or meddle with anything
And this reasoning of the Goat fits Luxu above all others.
So there we have it, finally at the end:
Ira/Wrath - Unicorn/Unicornis
Avaritia/Greed - Fox/Vulpes
Acedia/Sloth - Bear/Ursus
Invidia/Envy - Snake/Anguis
Gula/Gluttony - Leopard/Leopardus
and if Luxu and MoM had union names, (which seem to be just be taken from the genus of the animal directly) they’d likely be:
Luxuria/Lust - Goat/Caprini
Superbia/Pride - Lion/Panthera
But I think the Most Interesting Thing to glean from all of this, is going back to the 3 Groupings for the 8 evil things, can you imagine if KH ever decides to give MoM a little backstory, and a figure based on the Wolf of Fraud/Corruption, emblem of Despair came into the picture somewhere?
Something that might look a little like this?
Hey that’s interesting, isn’t this the special secret boss Dark Hide from Aqua’s Fragmentary Passage? Y’know, that journey all about Aqua falling into the pits of Despair where she then ends up fighting The First Real Pureblood Heartless she ever faces in the Realm of Darkness? Something that Aqua felt was Willfully and Intentionally Stalking her through the depths, instead of mindlessly attacking her?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQGONhqs0mU
Isn’t that interesting how all of things, they give this boss the opportunity for the player to see through it’s eyes, something very unique, and how it initially appears as a formless Darkness
And isn’t Darkness itself, given a will and a personality, now a figure in KHUX Dark Road, that has specific ties to the MoM, as Luxu describes as being a fellow student and/or old friend of MoM?
Could the Will of Despair manifested from darkness come to be a secret 8th apprentice of MoM?
Who knows, but it’s interesting how that symbolism lines up isn’t it?
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Amgry Kingdom Hearts Theory: Fox in a Box
Hi I’m mad.
I’m mad because of Kingdom Hearts. I’m aLSO MAD BECAUSE I THOUGHT OF THIS THEORY AND IT MAKES SOME(?) SORT OF SENSE.
Caplock rant over, crackpot theory Under The Cut.
Before I actually talk about the theory itself I have to establish a few things that lead me to believe any of this is a plausibility aside from how it’s Kingdom Hearts; and it’s just like though.
.Basis.
First of all, I am running with several theories here which haven’t been outright confirmed, though it’s pretty blatant a few of these things are meant to be implicitly deduced, not downright explained. Whether it’s because Nemura may decide to re-neg on some of these or not is anyone’s guess.
I’m running with the ideas that Ava is The Traitor, Is Darkness, and is also the Disembodied Keyblade Wielder in the final world at the end of Melody of Memory. Also, I feel like I should note that Ava is technically alive/has the chance of becoming a force in later games.
Ava, however, NOT Subject 0. Such an honor belongs to Skuld... For reasons you may already be guessing.
In fact, I’m going to do you a solid. The only game events you need to know in order for this to make sense is the general plot of Union X, The Kingdom Hearts 3, and Melody of Memory. Or even just the general plot of Union X, the end of Kingdom Hearts 3, and the end of Melody of Memory.
In Union X we uncover the general back bone of the theory. When we get through the entirety of the Keyblade story foam we come with the pieces of evidence we really need to back up this theory.
Time Travel works, but with limitations (Tm). Everyone from the Original Keyblade War is saved to the Book of Prophecies all USB style,but this doesn’t stop people from potentially dying. WHEN SOMEONE “DIES”, or more precisely their heart gets destroyed, their body vanishes (in the case of Strelitzia).
WE ALSO know, in the case of Luxu/Braig that bodies outside of this Data world still age. This is why Luxu has apparently hopped multiple hosts, and also why Braig’s body ages when he’s a Nobody.
I also would like to propose another tag-along theory that doesn’t ultimately change what I am about to say; but Braig and Luxu are very much so aware of each other and while Luxu is riding passenger on Xigbar’s consciousness; they are in fact separate people. Xibar/Braig will just do things for Luxu when Luxu asks. It’s not super important, but I think it does add another layer of depth to the role Luxu had since his only job was to observe, and he chose to observe through Braig’s eyes. Braig/Xigbar is entirely at fault for his actions which led him to becoming a Nobody/Nort.
Get it? Got it. Okay. Moving on.
.Schrodinger’s Fox.
The overwhelming problem that is in Union X that isn't in the other games is actual consequences one would normally think of when considering wars: death and permanent injury.
In the span of the series we have seen ONE person die for real, and despite how sad it is; Strelitzia is likely never going to come back. The good news is for everyone playing Union X after KH1-KH3 (ish) is that this sets up the stakes of the game perfectly. The fact she hasn’t miraculously re-appeared due to some Keyblade Miracle really sets the stakes for that time period. When people die; they stay dead in Union X.
This provides the foundation of the problem. The Master of Masters KNOWS a war is going to happen due to the use of No-Name, and the efforts of Luxu passing from body to body in the future. This is also why I believe Braig/Xigbar has agency and isn’t just possessed. Either way, he knows a lot of people, potentially great and revolutionary Keyblade wielders, are going to die.
Whether or not his motivations are noble, just, or even at all reasonable: MoM sets out to try and stop it. By sending Luxu forward to do his observations MoM has a direct lay-line to the future which allow him to make the book of Prophecies... Which, as we all know from playing Union X, act as databases that the participants of the Keyblade war are stored to... Or maybe just their memories? It’s rather unclear.
Basically the people died but their memories were backed up, giving them a potential chance to live on in memory. Just... You know. Literally.
However, this is not just some grand gesture. MoM uses the Foretellers to set up his data world and keep the proverbial fires stoke while Luxu and the Traitor (Ava) confront each other.
This is where a lot of speculating begins. If Ava is that soul in the Final World; then she must have lost her body at some point, right? Well. She did.
MoM, knowing Ava is the traitor and she will inadvertently set of the war herself, travels into time to go and retrieve her body before she totally fades away and stuffs her into a device devoid of time, space, light, dark, and meant to keep her body functioning without perishing. Luxu doesn’t seem to have realized that Ava perished, or hasn’t realized he’s carting around her life support.
Anyway, MoM returns to the past, and he gives the box to Luxu, and tasks him to keep it safe and never to open it. The reason WHY it’s crucial the box is never opened is because Ava’s heart is in the Final World chilling with the people who died in the Keyblade war. If he were to open the box without going to the final world, Ava would actually perish.
Luxu probably suspects that Darkness is Ava, which is true, but that’s not the entire picture. In order to keep Luxu from figuring out too much, MoM makes a backup copy of Ava and names her darkness. This is something he could have easily done in the Data World, since he basically did this to create it. We also see data copies of Kingdom Hearts characters later in the series.
.Scientific Revelation.
Anyway, we jump forward several games. We could stop at Birth By Sleep, but aside from Braig appearing canonically for the first time not much happens here to serve the theory. All we do know is that Luxu and Braig are DEFINITELY rocking the same body by KH2 (not a phrase I ever thought I’d say). At the end of Kingdom Hearts 3 Luxu pulls the other Foretellers out of the Data World from the book of Prophecies.
There has to be a reason for this; and I propose Luxu’s goal was to wait and observe until the ability to bring people back from the dead/ bringing people out of the data world became a possibility they could achieve.
The Xigbar and Repliku fight was the second big fight in the maze, and I gather that Xigbar/Luxu chose to back off then because of Replica Riku’s sacrifice left him speculating something big may have been happening.
And lo and behold, something did. Xion is back and Xion has a heart? Old Xemnas becomes Tera again? ROXAS EXISTS AGAIN AND HAS A HEART? Yeah this has to be the sign he was looking for. He packs up his box, goes to the Keyblade Graveyard and summons/waits.
It is unknown whether or not he knows that Namine is walking around, but at this point he knows what he knows. Sora and Co can now bring people back from basically thin air, even giving life to people who shouldn’t exist, provided they have a vessel.
.”Ava had her own Mission, and she carried it out”.
I would say FAMOUS last words, but these weren’t Luxu’s last words. At least, I don’t think they will be. It seems rather uncharacteristic of Xig/Luxu to let things be, and even if Luxu’s task is done Xigbar lives for chaos. I doubt either of them will be gone.
Anyway, Ava did complete her task. By being duped into becoming the “Traitor” and having her body and heart separated, she was able to take care of the memories in the Final World, where the Fairy God Mother takes Kairi to meet at the end of Melody of memories. It’s unclear if she knows her body is in the waking world stuffed in a box, but I’m going to say she doesn’t, just like Luxu/Xigbar.
.”Like a Seeds of a Dandelion, Let them Fly to the Another World”.
I would like to cycle back to the beginning on this... Why Ava? What makes her so special out of the other Foretellers, barring Luxu? Something must have made her specific for this role, and it may have been Ava’s own good nature that made her the candidate. After all, if any of the other Foretellers took her role, it’s entirely possible that Ava could have quelled any infighting among the Foretellers, especially if one of the more hot-headed Foretellers was put in the box instead.
Another possible theory is that it was a fail-safe. When MoM speaks to Ava he’s not as dramatic as he is with the other Foretellers, so it would not surprise me if there was a large grain of truth to what he said to her. He told her that she was the last chance of hope for Light, but unfortunately that may have lead her into the box. Ava was tricked into being the traitor, but by becoming the traitor, she actually managed to land herself a very safe place. I think that the Master of Masters wanted her to be revived if his plan didn’t pan out. Just to be sure that Light survived.
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Theory. The role MoM gave to the foreteller still applies to the union leader. Ira, to lead the group , Ephemer, an agreed leader. Gula, an extra information to find the traitor, Brain, with the book finding the truth. Invi, a mediator and Ira's aid. Skuld, Ephemer's friend and mediator. Aced, a defacto leader acting on his own agenda, Laurium, an apperant eldest of the group, acting on his own. Iva to gather wielders. Straliza, searching for player but was killed. Can be seen as her role no longer being needed. Ventus and MoM, both have connection with the same darkness. Luxu and player, outside of the group, watching the event happen as an eye, and not interfering. Can even tied to Iva and straliza trying to find them.
I’ve been chewing this over for a bit, because this kind of ties into my thoughts on Legacy and the role it plays in Kingdom Hearts.
We first get glimpses of a wider history, beyond legend, tied to the Keyblade in KH2FM with the appearance of the Keyblade Graveyard and an armored ghost sitting in the middle of it, holding a Keyblade itself. Holding it and using it so effiectively that the reputation of hardest secret boss in the series was well-earned for quite some time.
That Legacy is further fleshed out in Birth By Sleep due to the revelation of Keyblade wielders before Sora and Riku, due to the Lingering Will being one of those wielders who handed down the legacy of the Keyblade to Riku. Explaining clearly for the first time why Riku was supposed to have the Keyblade instead of Sora, among with a number of other things like Xehanort and Castle Oblivion and etc.
I would say that pretty much every Kingdom Hearts game since then has tied itself heavily to that Legacy. The return of the Keyblade War, Unions and Foretellers and old cities full of Keyblade wielders and the X-Blade, so much.
But what is that Legacy? What does it mean? Is it simply to fight Darkness wherever it may be, fight Heartless?
Those questions may be answered in future games, but they don’t really matter so much as what the heroes in the games do with that Legacy. Because there’s another theme of the next generation doing better than the last.
We have Sora and Riku and others succeeding where the Wayfinder Trio failed, bringing that trio home as well. We have the Wayfinder Trio being able to stay together as friends where Eraqus and Xehanort failed at that. Dark Road will most likely touch on how Eraqus and Xehanort (among others?) change the Keyblade Legacy of Scala de Caelum.
Xehanort even hands over the X-Blade, the weapon he’s spent his entire life trying to get, the symbolism of reshaping the world to become better, a Legacy, to Sora himself as the end of KH3.
But most importantly for what you’ve pointed out, we have the new Union Leaders taking over the Foretellers’ positions. Maybe they do correspond directly to Foretellers in their roles. But I think it is more vital that we don’t know what Unions the kids actually came from, only that apparently Ephemer and Skuld were in the same one.
Because they are putting aside the boundaries that the Foretellers made up themselves, boundaries the Foretellers allowed themselves to fail prey to. The world they will build, to make Scala de Caelum, well. It won’t be perfect. Otherwise we wouldn’t get a Xehanort out of it.
But those Union Leaders are fitting heirs to what the Foretellers tried to do, in protecting the World and the people of it. Because in the end, it will lead to Sora and his friends.
And he is the one that will open the door.
#Answering asks#fanfiction-and-everything#my kh thoughts#kh meta#khux thoughts#legacies and where they go#the nature of stories#long post
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@noneofthismakessensetome KHUX is really hard to explain, and I don’t really understand it myself despite watching every update, but the most that I can glean from it is that it’s set in the past in a place called Daybreak Town, right before the Keyblade War. (How far in the past is unknown, not helped by the fact that time travels differently in each World, but it was definitely before Xehanort was born).
There was this guy named the Master of Masters, and he’s supposedly been fighting a war against darkness for a very long time. (No idea if that’s the elemental concept of darkness, or Darkness the character). He’s the person who invented Keyblades (or one of the people. KHUX is extremely vague and likes to throw little doubts in just to make you question everything), and he gathered six apprentices (all named after one of the Seven Deadly Sins). Luxu, aka Xigbar, is one of the six. The only other relevant one is Ava.
Five of these apprentices (not Luxu) become the Foretellers, leaders of these different Unions of ‘Keykids’ (which I don’t think is an official term, but that’s what the fandom calls them so I will too) who wield Keyblades against the Heartless to collect Lux (which is some sort of light energy). Each of them is also given a Chirithy Spirit created by the Master of Masters.
The Master of Masters, aka MoM, can see into the future, because he put his ‘eye’ into the Keyblade No Name (Master Xehanort’s Keyblade), as well as other Keyblades like Riku’s Way to the Dawn and Vanitas’s Void Gear (if that is the name of Vanitas’s Keyblade...). Because these ‘eyes’ exist in the future, the MoM is able to ‘see’ into the future, and writes all future events down in the Book of Prophecies. He then gives copies of the Book of Prophecies to the Foretellers (not Luxu), but leaves out a certain page. He then sows distrust through the five by telling them one of them is a traitor.
The Foretellers all mistrust each other, and through a chain of events this leads to the Keyblade War, where all the ‘Keykids’ kill each other and the World is rift apart. The only ones who survive are the Dandelions, a special group of ‘Keykids’ the MoM told Ava to form, who hide in a Data version of Daybreak Town. The Dandelions have their minds wiped of the Keyblade War by the Chirithies and believe they are in the real Daybreak Town, except for the five Union Leaders, who were chosen by the MoM and given Books of Prophecy by Ava (more on that in a second...).
In the latest KHUX update, the MoM says that it will take multiple lifetimes to defeat darkness (or Darkness), and this is probably why Luxu (Xigbar) has been hopping from body to body for all these years (centuries?). The MoM gave Luxu the Black Box (without telling him what’s inside) and No Name (to be passed down through the generations of Keyblade Wielders and eventually wind up with Xehanort before going back to Luxu). By having No Name be passed down into the future, the MoM can see through its ‘eye’ and write down future events.
So about the Union Leaders of the Dandelions, the ones the MoM told Ava to pick were Ephemer, Skuld, Brain, Lauriam (Marluxia), and Strelitzia. However, (as we saw with the most recent update) a shadowy being named Darkness killed Strelitzia and gave Ventus her copy of the Book of Prophecies instead. Ventus was in some kind of trance or had his memory wiped, and didn’t remember Strelitzia’s death until now.
Darkness has also been helping Maleficent, because for some reason after her defeat in KH1 she wound up in the past in Data Daybreak Town, and Darkness wants to help her get back to the future (KH2) with a time machine. (The time machine, called the Ark or the Lifeboat in different translations, is the same machine used by Terra-Xehanort to send five-year-old Kairi to Destiny Islands, although in that case she was transported through space, not time). It seems that Darkness wants some of the ‘Keykids’ (Ventus, Lauriam (Marluxia), Elrena (Larxene), and Skuld (who is probably Subject X)) to be transported to the future, and somehow Maleficent will serve as their Waypoint. (I don’t understand how time-travel in KH works, nor why Darkness wants to send the ‘Keykids’ to the future, but that’s the best explanation I can give).
Anyway, the whole murder mystery about ‘who killed Strelitzia?’ has been the biggest fandom mystery in KH for a long time (I’m talking like, three years). And unfortunately, it’s still not solved because it’s still not clear just who/what Darkness is. Some believe that Darkness is Ava, who is actually the ‘traitor’ trying to stop the MoM’s plan, because she believes his plan will end in the destruction of the World (which it kinda did). This is because Darkness takes the form of Ava to speak to Ventus after killing Strelitzia, and tells him that he’s a Union Leader (when really he’s the ‘imposter’). Ava is known to have the power of illusion, which is why some fans think she may have taken the form of Darkness to disguise herself. (Just a note on all this, I can’t remember exactly what all the fan-theories about Ava are, and I may have gotten something wrong here. But the basic gist is that some fans believe Ava is Darkness).
Then there’s the second theory, which unfortunately in my opinion is the more likely of the two. We know from Re:Mind that a being calling itself Darkness is hiding within Ven’s heart, and in KHUX Brain says that Darkness (or darkness) can hide inside people. Combine this with Vanitas’s speech to Ventus in Re:Mind, about how he and Ven ‘aren’t the same like he thinks’ and how he was just ‘hidden inside Ven until Xehanort tore him out’, it seems to imply that Vanitas is actually Darkness (or a piece of Darkness) who was hidden inside of Ven, and not the dark half of Ven’s heart like we’ve believed for the past decade. Basically, if this theory is true, it completely re-writes Vanitas’s entire character, motivations, and origins, while also retroactively making him a child-murderer, and I’m sure you all already know how I feel about that.
Now, literally nothing outside of Re:Mind implies that Vanitas is Darkness, and in fact the scene in the Keyblade Graveyard with Vanitas, Ventus, and Sora right after the scene in Re:Mind seems to contradict this theory, as well as every piece of material on Vanitas released both before and after Re:Mind including his character file, so this all may be just one big misunderstanding, but that doesn’t dissuade the fact that there is literally an entity calling itself Darkness inside Ven’s heart. I can’t even begin to imagine how it got there, unless 1. It’s Vanitas after returning to Ven’s heart after his defeat in BBS or 2. Darkness somehow got into Ven’s heart while he was sleeping in Castle Oblivion.
This is all pure fan-theory, but since the Vanitas in KH3 is a time traveling version of Vanitas from the past, it could be that the ‘real’ Vanitas is still living inside Ven’s heart (like how Roxas was still inside Sora’s heart), and if the ‘real’ Vanitas is now calling himself Darkness, then it’s possible that Vanitas was either lying about being half of Ventus this entire time or is only now just remembering his memories of being Darkness. Either way, if Vanitas really does turn out to be Darkness, then I can only imagine his entire personality will be overwritten by Darkness’s and Vanitas will basically cease to exist as a character. As in, he won’t just be dead, he’ll have never truly existed in the first place.
And that, my friends, is why I’ve been in a constant state of anxiety, stress, and depression for the past year, and the reason I haven’t updated A Heart and a Half, because I’m having trouble reconciling the Vanitas from the BBS Novel (an abused, neglected child manipulated from birth to be a weapon) with what is potentially his true identity as Darkness (an ancient, child-murdering demonic entity). Once again, it’s still just a fan-theory... But a very plausible fan-theory.
Anyway, the third theory is that Darkness isn’t secretly some other character, but instead is exactly what it says it is— a sapient amalgamation of the elemental force of darkness. Darkness tells Maleficent that she should think of it as an ‘old friend’, leading some to believe it’s someone Maleficent knows from the future. However, it could be that Darkness ‘knows’ Maleficent because it itself is the embodiment of elemental darkness, and Maleficent is a darkness-user. In that case, it could be said Darkness is a ‘friend’ to all people who use darkness.
Unfortunately, before anyone says this line of dialogue proves that Vanitas can’t be Darkness because Vanitas never met Maleficent, Vanitas did meet Maleficent... in the BBS Novel. In the BBS Novel, Maleficent asks Vanitas if he’s a ‘friend’ of Xehanort’s. Vanitas hesitantly says yes (because his abuser isn’t exactly a friend to him), simply because he and Xehanort are allies. He then asks Maleficent if she’s ‘friends’ with Xehanort, and she says yes (in the sense that they are allies). In this roundabout way, it could be construed that if Vanitas is Xehanort’s friend, and Maleficent is Xehanort’s friend, then that makes Vanitas Maleficent’s friend, which still fits in with the theory that Vanitas is Darkness if Darkness is Maleficent’s friend.
Even if we ignore the (technically non-canon) BBS Novel scenes of Xehanort kicking twelve-year-old Vanitas in the face and beating him with his Keyblade until he cried and leaving him isolated in a wasteland for weeks on end, and just go off of the games’ canon, the story of Ventus and Vanitas can still be seen as both literal and metaphorical child abuse, with Ven being the part of the victim who represses the trauma and Vanitas being the part of the victim who lashes out. Of course, if Vanitas does turn out to be Darkness, then he will be retconned from a victim into a scheming child-murderer just as evil as his abuser and the demon/abomination/empty creature that Xehanort always said he was! (Maybe that’s why Vanitas had such a mental breakdown in Re:Mind... he realized every horrible thing Xehanort ever told him about himself was true...). Which is why, as you can imagine, this theory causes me a lot of stress!
Anyway, that’s the story of KHUX and the reason why I turn into a big ball of anxiety every time a new update occurs. I literally wouldn’t care about KHUX at all if Ven wasn’t in it, but he is, and everything that happens to Ven in the past is something that will effect him and Vanitas in the future, whether Vanitas is confirmed to be Darkness or not. We now know that Ven has had even more trauma forced upon him than he’d had with Xehanort, and I now have a suspicion that the reason Ven refused to create the X-Blade by using the darkness in his heart in the BBS flashback scenes was because he remembered what darkness and/or Darkness did to Strelitzia.
I really can’t imagine why Ven is in KHUX other than to connect him to this Darkness character in some way. Some fans still claim that Ven is the one who killed Strelitzia because they think he was ‘possessed’ by Darkness, but it seems pretty clear that Darkness was the culprit while Ven just stood there in a trance. Even so, I suspect that Ven blames himself for what happened anyway, even though it wasn’t his fault. I don’t know how this will play out with the future/current Ven. Is he suddenly going to remember his past and think he killed Strelitzia? Why? For the angst? Is he going to realize that Vanitas is (or is a part of) Darkness and therefore the murderer of some random girl Ven barely knows? Is Darkness just going to pop out of Ven when he’s in the Realm of Darkness with Aqua and Terra and... I don’t even know. Fight him? Gloat? Enact his evil scheme of destroying the World because you see, Vanitas never really wanted his light back, he never really wanted friends (page 378 of the BBS Novel), he was lying the entire time! Yes, he’s totally this evil monster who just wants to kill people because he’s evil~!
...Alright, I’ll stop. But seriously, I don’t know where this story is headed, guys. This update basically had the MoM tell us to stop trying to figure things out or theorize and that we shouldn’t want to know everything that’s going to happen, so who knows. Next update might throw us a curveball and reveal Darkness was secretly... idk Pete the entire time. He’s Maleficent’s friend! Or maybe it’s just Xehanort again, who knows. I just feel... really tired of KH, and I don’t really know where I’m going to go from here. Hopefully this is the last time I rant about this subject, though, because I really feel like I’ve already said all there is to say.
I want to finish A Heart and a Half, but I also feel hampered by everything that might happen with Vanitas. I also feel like managing my Tumblr blogs is causing me too much stress and distracting me from doing other things (including writing my fanfics), so I’ve been thinking of putting them both on a more ‘permanent’ hiatus after their queues run out sometime later this month. I dunno how everyone would feel about that, though, nor how long that hiatus would be. I’d certainly miss talking to everyone, and you guys make me smile whenever I get a comment or a question from you all! But I also feel like I need to focus on my health (both physical and mental) and work on things that don’t involve social media. I guess I just need a little more time to think about it.
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@kamiko Strelitzia’s Chirithy really saw Skuld and Player, we saw that in a scene. And even if Darkness disguised themselves as Player and Skuld, I ... don’t know how that would fit into the timeline, considering Skuld and Player really were there.
Gula may have told Skuld and Player about the Lost Page, but if the Book is really written chronologically, then it doesn’t really make sense for it to be written there, because right after comes the start of the keyblade war. Sure it could be, and I would be very surprised if that will be the case in the end, but for now I’m not really a fan of it lol. We also have to take the Sigil into consideration and for now, ... I guess only Strelitzia has one in her hair? Which would make Strelitzia the traitor and Gula Darkness because Darkness struck her down and it was Gula’s role to find the traitor? I don’t know, doesn’t really add up. Gula being Darkness doesn’t really work in the long run, considering he took part in the keyblade war and eventually got summoned back way into the future.
Not a fan of the theory that the Lost Page is actually about the Union Leaders soooo, and we don’t know enough to know exactly, but hey, I’m excited to know what happens next. I don’t like to cling onto theories that have a short term lifespan anyways, and I think a wise man (Master of Masters) would be happy that I don’t lmao
#khux spoilers#kamiko#reply#im just happy to have the timeline figured out and now I'm just waiting to get more information thats all
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So... I've been watching more theory videos recently and I'm 100% behind Ven being the traitor- it makes sense; we've seen Ava give the BoP to Ephemer, Skuld and Brain. Lauriam is currently looking for Strlitizia (f*ck my spelling) and is also her brother so stands to reason that he didn't do it.
Ven is the only one without an alibi and we know that he has a considerable amount of darkness in him because of Vani. That sweet innocent kid is a murderer which really messes with my brain agshshsjsjsjsks
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“There is no Traitor”
My Complete Speculation on the Happenings of KHUX
There is no traitor.
The thing we were thinking throughout all of Back Cover. It’s obvious. The Master made-up the Traitor in the book so that the Foretellers would go on a witch hunt and stumble into a civil war. It’s why he made arbitrary secrets and rules. Roles that the Foretellers were tasked to complete without a necessary rhyme or reason. Divided factions that the didn’t really have a purpose in separation. A breeding ground for power plays, competition, and tension. The War was inevitable because the blind faith in the Master wouldn’t allow anything else. It’s the one thing they all agreed on. The Master’s word is law.
The War happens, everything is destroyed-- and the remaining Light escapes to form the inevitable rebirth. But by sowing the seeds of tension, the Master creates a traitor. He lays the pieces in such a way that someone learns the truth of his manipulation and tries to counter it. And the Master knows this will happen. He wants this to happen.
That’s the premise of Ava’s betrayal. I believe that Luxu simply tells Ava the truth. “There is no Traitor.” The Master set everything up. The Master has been manipulating them the entire time. She responds with denial. Ava’s loyalty to the Master is palpable. She doesn’t want to believe that he would do this.
But that leads to her striking Luxu’s blade. And the Prophecy comes true. The bell tolls and the War begins.
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The prophecy is real and set in stone and everything is going to end and it will be Ava’s fault. But she doesn’t know this part of the prophecy. All she knows is that the Master has betrayed them. She misreads this truth, unable to tell that she herself is playing right into fate. Gula’s Lost Page narrates her following actions.
Because understanding the Master’s scheme, Ava realizes that the Foretellers weren’t the only pawns the Master orchestrated. Her Dandelions have all the makings of the Master’s design. He dictated the rules. He decreed the arbitrary Unions. He selected the union leaders. He scripted their meeting. He appoints the Book of Prophecies to one of them in the same fashion as the Lost Page. He promotes PvP for recreation. He removes the traumatic memories of the war to prevent them from learning anything. And he traps them in a confined, set, data-world. He sets the Dandelions up for another war so obviously that Ava had to see it. It had to hit her in the face hard that the Master made this War happen and he was going to make it happen again.
But her Dandelions. This was wrong. The Master turned her into him. Made her an accomplice to an avoidable, endless tragedy.
So... she plans a coup. A sabotage. It’s too late to stop the war and it’s too late to stop the retreat into the data world but she can attempt to see if this inevitable fate can be change for her Dandelions. She can plant a virus in the Master’s program.
She already appointed the Union Leaders of the Master’s choosing. Ephemer, Skuld, Ventus, Lauriam, and Strelitzia. They are lying in wait for the war to finally ignite. The Master’s script has them unable to meet until after the war so she is the only one who knows all of the leaders. Just like how she never suspected the Master, her Dandelion leaders would never suspect her.
And she takes her disguise and ventures forth in secrecy. (as the Lost Page decrees). Darkness is a fitting scapegoat for the actions she is about to do.
Because if she doesn’t do anything, her Dandelion’s will be walking right back into a doomed fate. And as such she is forced to create a vacancy in her Union Leaders. After the bell has tolled, the overwhelmed Strelitzia, frantically looking for the Player, is ambushed by the Darkness. Her rulebook is stolen and she is killed by the very person who entrusted her to live on.
And Ava moves to plant her virus. She chooses one of her Dandelions, the lazy but brilliant Brain. She knows he is smart enough to fight the program the Master created. She approaches him to tell him of this appoint, lying to him and saying he was chosen by the Master. This keeps him innocent of her deeds and only hints at her defiant conspiracy by gifting him the Book of Prophecies.
Brain is now a two-fold act of defiance. Not only was he not chosen to possess the book but he wasn’t chosen at all. When he is ready he will become wise to this and continue his fate defying mission but until then he is ignorant. The switcharoo is done and none of the Union Leaders are any wiser. They play along with the script the Master designed.
Ava follows them into the data world and, knowing of Maleficent’s arrival from the future, she intercepts the sorceress. She gives her the secret on how to return to her time, which happens to be the same method necessary in escaping the data world. She conditions this information on Maleficent’s cooperation, designing for her to give this information to Brain so they can leave the Master’s cage for good.
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But this is when things get complicated. Because... all up to this point, the Master knew that Ava would behave this way. He knew that she would misread the truth and venture forth in secrecy. He wrote it that way.
He knew that she’d be driven to creating a vacancy and attempting to defy the book. None of this has actually worked thus far.
And as it would happen, the death of Strelitzia lingers through the Union Leaders. Lauriam’s frantic search for his sister has him asking around until it reaches Brain’s ears. He doesn’t know that he’s a fraud but the circumstances don’t add up and he’s going to finally check the book and receive Ava’s message he thought he heard loud and clear.
When he does read the note he’ll realize that he was the one that replaced her. That Strel was the Master’s intended Union Leader.
In fact the Master saw this coming that he probably chose Strelitzia as a Union Leader to play the part of the perfect victim. The soft spoken, beloved sister of another leader-- a more surprising choice than the pacifistic Ventus. He probably circled her name for the Bop to ensure that Ava had to kill her out of the five.
(For the record, There is an assumption that Ava would deliver the BoP to the chosen leader at the same time they were selected, but this isn’t necessarily true. Ava could have just as easily given the rulebooks out and refrained from giving the book for logistical reason or personal hesitation. This logic is what I’m following, meaning that at the time of her murder Strel was the circled recipient but had not yet received the BoP. But she was the targeted kill because whoever replaced her might misinterpret the note seeing neither their name on it and another alive leader graced with permission to read the BoP. They may see that skipped person as a part of the virus as well.)
That the only person who could have killed her was Ava herself. But he’s got no way of defending himself. He appears as a perfect accomplice. He cannot tell Lauriam for his own sake, and for the sake of the mission. The mission he still probably believes in despite the methods. But even should he revolt against Ava, following the Master’s design would have him expose the book’s presence to unchosen Union Leaders.
So he doesn’t. He hides the fact that he has the book and that he knows what happened. And Lauriam, who was consulting with Brain until now is left with a suspiciously unsatisfactory nonanswer to Brain’s efforts to help him. Lauriam probably doesn’t forget this and the suspicions rise. The tension grows.
Eventually, this tension will spread. And the truth may come out. The Union Leaders will take their sides and the War will start again.
...at least. That’s what it looks like they are walking into. That’s what it looks like the Master is orchestrating. Ava’s act of defiance inadvertently causing the war again.
In the recent update Ava wonders if giving the BoP to Brain will change what’s been written, if it’s possible. But I think she will be defeated by the idea that she is yet again, just a pawn in the Master’s game.
Conclusion
Now this is speculation based on the theory that Ava is Darkness, with the added theory that the BoP is not a book of prophecy but a hard script of things the Master plans to happen. This means that the Gazing Eye is not a tool to ensure the Book is written but a scope for the present MoM to witness his plan unfold.
I do think there is more to the final unfolding of khux. I think the forces of darkness have a role to play in triggering and initiating the 2nd war (and that actually has something to do with Ventus). I think there will have to be some sort of understanding or united front with the union leaders and their ally’s to abandon to data world via the method Maleficent will relay. I also think that in this chaos, Luxu will chose to pass on the Gazing Eye to Brain who will form Scala ad Caelum. In this transpiring conflict, Ephemer is going to either get left behind, get killed, or sacrifice himself to achieve that escape. And of course, in that escape the Union Leaders will be scattered through time due to the nature of the technique.
Though it’s worth noting that a part of me see’s the scattering of the Union Leaders and friends through time to be an intentional move. Something either Brain or Ava designs so that there is only one single leader of Scala. To assure that the Unions are no more and the knowledge they harbor is not used against the Dandelion’s. A war preventative.
That’s what I think is going down folks.
#kingdom hearts#khux#khux spoilers#kh speculation#this is pure speculation cause i present no evidence#but i think its pretty solid#the BoP logistics and the timing with Ava's convo with Brain works but isn't perfect#this just makes me realize that khux has a long way to go
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Okie dokie, It's Desi has a crackshit theory time.
Mkay, so as some peeps already know I have, for two years or so, been convinved that Skuld is Ava. It was an impulse HC at first but there is slight evidence since I first made the HC that has turned it into a theory including:
It has been noted that she's a lot like Ava in both personality and speech and after Ephemer told her such Skuld stopped talking as much
The way she was discussing Lauriam looking for his sister with Ven came off strange to me. "What are we going to do about this/Lauriam?"
That... That doesn't sound like concern fo him himself but what his search might uncover to me. It came of as concern for theirselves.
There's a lotta proof that Ven killed Strel and that Ava was directly involved with the fiasco and Skuld and Ven are almost always with each other. A lot of their convos also sound mildly conspiring imo.
All of the foretellers have gold eyes on their masks which leads me to believe that they themselves have gold eyes. Gold eyes in KH isn't something we see as random trait in characters because it means something. You know who also has gold eyes? Skuld.
Skuld was also with you the first time you encounter master Ava, a fiasco we all know had a ton of illusions involved.
We also know that Ava is the traitor and there's no telling how deep the rabbit hole concerning this goes. Like, I wouldn't put it past her to, when she wasn't busy with foreteller stuff, to don common clothes and run around pretending she wasn't a Union Leader for several hours/days at a time. Wouldn't be the first time someone in such a position has done such.
It is also hinted that the Mystery Girl is Skuld and the notes imply that even with a fucked up memory Skuld felt Xigbar/Luxu was familiar and he clearly recognised her. Why would he know Skuld of all people??
#thoery time#random rambles#skuld#ava#kh#kingdom hearts#khux#ven#ventus#lauriam#foretellers#luxu#xigbar#theory#hc#also I still say Kingdom Hearts is an imprisoned god and nothing can convince me otherwise unless Nomura himself says what KH really is
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My thoughts on the most recent KHUX update. Spoilers.
Ahahahaha. Player's from a different game. LOL I'm really starting to think Vaneloppe's one of the Seven Pure lights now, since we don't know who three of them are yet and we all know this KHUX stuff is tying into the next saga. Plus, it may explain why Player's being so protective of her here--despite what Chirithy wants, in wanting them to watch Ralph instead--since they've been so protective of all the other Princesses of Heart. Maybe Player senses the light in her that will make her one of the New Seven Lights someday. So, I was right about Ava being the traitor (I mean, I think most of us were) and also being partly responsible for the Strelitzia thing. It sounds like she wasn't her killer, though, and they're implying that it was Ventus or Skuld? And it was probably Ventus, because of the whole Vanitas thing. I know people have thought that for a long time--and I get why--but I was hoping it wasn't true, because... if I'm being honest, as much as I love Nomura, I don't know if he has the finesse to pull this off. Because in KHIV, or whatever, where all of this will probably get brought up and dealt with... putting all of the blame on Vanitas and none on Ventus seems a bit unfair to me, since they weren't split here. But at the same time, if Ven does get some rightful blame for it next saga, it's going to ruin a fan-favorite character and kind of make him unsalvageable... so all of this is why I hoped they wouldn't go this route, personally, but it looks like they are. Since I really doubt it's Skuld, and I'd need a ton of hard and concrete evidence to prove to me that it was: something they probably don't have time to do at this point, and thus are going with the easy answer of Ven. I also really think the theory about Ava being Darkness is true. Yeah... And at first, I wasn't sure I liked them trying to explain how Maleficent came back in KHII. But I think I'm okay with it now, and that it's working pretty well. But... I'm confused, did we just get told what the black box is? Or partly? Some sort of ark that was supposed to take people to future worlds? I'm not sure if the ark and black box are the same thing. Probably not? Since Luxu already took the black box away at this point, so it shouldn't be around for Maleficent to use at all? But the fact she called the ark a "box" at one point threw me off. But it's probably just a coincidence and I shouldn't read too much into it. Right?
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