#tng 6x10

[evviejo]

BEVERLY CRUSHER - STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION S6E10 Chain of Command, Part 1

[walkingstackofbooks]

TNG 6x10 and 6x11 Chain of Command, Part 1 & 2 thoughts (rewatching, so possible future spoilers for DS9 too)

I’ve temporarily paused my DS9 re-watch after 2x20 Maquis Part 1 to go through all the Cardassian episodes in TNG to get a better picture of the build up: 4x12, 5x03, 6x10, 6x11, 6x20 and 7x15.

6x10 Part One

Watching Jellico on 1.5x speed makes him even more aggressively brusque

I can't remember if Jellico's genuinely good at his job or if he's very, very bad

The trouble is, he wants people to work for him. Picard has people work with him.

Once again, I had kind of forgotten till I re-watched just how much I liked Picard

(I just looked up what the Ferengi was called to make my next comment, and genuinely hadn't caught on that he was Solok, who they were looking for! I was wondering why he was so dedicated to calling Solok extraordinary XD)

(Huh, another fun fact - Solok was supposed to be Quark, but DS9 was a few weeks too late in airing for there to be a crossover!)

Daimon Solok kind of looks like Pel?

I don't mind woman using their charm, and that ear stroke wasn't egregious as some... but still, I hate ear stroking ferengi to get your way with them

I cannot tell if Jellicoe is an idiot or very clever

"If the Cardassian Union truly wishes to discuss peace, they can send someone who can negotiate in a civilised manner." Fuck OFF, you're hardly being civilised!!!

Ok, so there was some strategy...

"Well, I'll say this for him. He's sure of himself." "No, he's not." Oh fuck, that's concerning

IT'S A TRAP

That gul looks far too pleased with himself

Action scenes are VERY silly on 1.5x speed XD

Ohhh the next one will be the torture episode right? 😬😬😬

6x11 Part Two

Oh gosh, I was not expecting him to divulge information like Beverly's involvement straight away!

Any action Picard took should be said to be his own, not on behalf of the Federation - Isn't that the defence you should be using?

Yes, it's nice Will's worried about his captain, but tbf the Federation shouldn't withdraw from the sector for Picard. He knew the risks.

Data in red is so damn weird

Madred's child just casually being there is so chilling. Jesus.

Cardassian history is interesting, once being a peaceful people with a rich spiritual life before the military took over

They've discovered the plan!

I don't trust this "you can go" routine

Ohhhh

Oh no

That is the way to torture him. Mention Beverly

Picard walking back to the chair is so similar to Sisko walking back the box in Paradise

Jeeez, the breaking of the egg next to Picard bald head sure is kind of visceral

"Ah! You called me Picard."... "You are six years old. Weak and helpless. You cannot hurt me." What a king!

Crew sticking up for crew :) Geordie pushing for Riker to pilot the mission. :3

This exchange though - go go go Riker!

>>Jellico: "Let's drop the ranks for a moment. I don't like you. I think you're insubordinate, arrogant, wilful, and I don't think you're a particularly good first officer. But you are also the best pilot on the ship.

>>Riker: "Well, now that the ranks are dropped, Captain, I don't like you, either. You are arrogant and closed-minded. You need to control everything and everyone. You don't provide an atmosphere of trust, and you don't inspire these people to go out of their way for you. You've get everybody wound up so tight there's no joy in anything. I don't think you're a particularly good Captain."

"Do I wanna know how close that was?" "No." XD

Ohhhhhh. Oh Picard. Oh, you poor poor thing. He's going to say five isn't he?

JUST IN TIME gosh it's weird being grateful for Cardassians

"There are four lights!". You hero.

"Welcome home, Jean-Luc... Just the way you left it, maybe a little better." Oh, fuck off already Jellico. Though thank you for being involved in Picard's rescue, I guess.

Immediately meeting with Troi, yes, good idea, you definitely need counselling

Oh, Picard <3

These are good episodes. Jellico is infuriating and it's harrowing to watch Picard, but it's a damn good story.

[subbyfoxelf]

[tv review] tng "chain of command" (1992)

6x10 “chain of command, part 1”

the way they handled the transfer of command to jellico is easily one of the best jobs they’ve ever done of implementing a temporary status quo change. like, it’s not “best of both worlds, part 1” levels of believability that picard’s status on the show might be in jeopardy, if only because at this point we’re nearly halfway through the show’s penultimate season. but we get a lot of time with the enterprise’s temporary captain and see quite a bit of the crew having a bit of trouble adjusting to his presence. he also makes significant changes to the way the ship runs, and even demands “and get that fish out of the ready room” about captain picard’s iconic lionfish.

although part 2 is where a lot more of this happens, this is also kind of a turning point for the cardassians as major antagonists on the show. they were already positioned as such in their few previous appearances, but this really is the moment where they gain a ton of credibility as a big bad which will carry over to ds9, which probably not coincidentally began airing after this two-parter. s-rank

6x11 “chain of command, part 2”

i don’t want to be nitpicky, but it’s kind of weird that picard’s borg trauma is (rightly) something we keep going back to over & over, but his cardassian trauma basically never comes up again once the credits roll on this one?

the reason i don’t want to be nitpicky is that this episode is fantastic. the entire episode is designed to put patrick stewart’s performance front & center, and yeah obviously that works out fantastically in the show’s favor? and david warner is just a fantastic opponent for him here. their contest of wills just absolutely sizzles.

AND YEAH OKAY i guess i should acknowledge really quick that even though i don’t find either of these characters attractive, i did find a lot of the stuff that happened in this episode uncomfortably hot. i’m sorry i’m like this. (no i’m not.)

back on the enterprise side of things, things really break down between riker & jellico to the point that jellico relieves riker of duty and installs data as first officer. data is even jarringly required to don a red command division uniform, something he didn’t do as acting captain during the blockade of the klingon/romulan border in “redemption, part 2.”

this serves to make it extra satisfying when jellico is forced to go to riker hat in hand to ask him to go on a critical mission that basically everyone falls over themselves to say he’s uniquely qualified for.

it’s funny that this would’ve been a drastically better wrap-around season finale/premiere two-parter than “time’s arrow,” but they wanted a big cardassian episode to give them extra credibility leading into the premiere of deep space nine, which totally makes sense.

i wouldn’t want every episode to be like this, and there are some tiny nitpicks i could make if i were interested in going in that direction, but there’s a reason this is considered one of the best episodes of the series. i do think i would be more inclined to agree if this had more lasting consequences for picard’s character, but again that’s not really the episode’s fault.

i think this episode falls just outside my personal top 10 tng episodes (whereas part 1 is actually comfortably within my top 10), but i get why it’s a lot higher on a lot of other people’s lists. s-rank

[pouncequick]

You know you’re really not supposed to like Captain Jellico when he tells someone to get the fish out of the ready room.

[trillscienceofficer]

I understand where 'There are four lights' comes from now and I just want to say. wtf.

[coolspock]

Starfleet sure loves its gold trim huh

[stacey-farber]

[doctorbeverlycrusher]

TNG Guide: Picard/Crusher Edition

Someone did a guide like this for Elliot and Olivia from Law and Order and I’ve been thinking about these two lately so here we are.

This guide is obviously coloured by my personal opinion and some of the things are really subtle, but there’s also way less to get through here than something like SVU.

Of course, there are still many good episodes of TNG that don’t revolve around Picard and Crusher, but for the purposes of this guide, I tried to stick to the important ones or ones with some good interactions. Also, feel free to suggest things I may be missing.

SEASON 1

1x01/02 - Encounter at Farpoint

1x03 - The Naked Now

1x05 - The Last Outpost

1x07 - Lonely Among Us (This is on here for one scene really)

1x09 - The Battle (This one doesn’t really have moments between them as much but it’s got some good Picard backstory)

1x12 - The Big Goodbye

1x19 - Coming of Age (Again, mostly here for one scene where Beverly is being interviewed)

1x21 - The Arsenal of Freedom

1x24 - We’ll Always Have Paris

Due to a conflict between Gates McFadden and a writer on the show, Beverly doesn’t appear in season 2. It is said she took the position to head Starfleet Medical on Earth. However, due to a huge fan campaign led by Patrick Stewart himself, Gates came back in season 3 and stayed for the rest of the series.

I’d suggest watching 2x17 - Samaritan Snare as it gives some really good Picard backstory, but for P/C purposes, that’s the only one that’s necessary.

Season 3

3x01 - Evolution

3x05 - The Bonding (No moments here exactly, but the themes present are super important to their relationship)

3x12 - The High Ground

3x18 - Allegiance

3x23 - Sarek (This is here for the mind meld scene, which I think speaks to their relationship, but is also one of the best scenes in the entirety of Star Trek)

3x26 - The Best of Both Worlds Part I (This is mostly here for a specific brief scene, but the events of this episode really affect Picard so it’s important)

Season 4

4x01 - The Best of Both Worlds Part II (Here for continuity purposes)

4x02 - Family (No specific scenes but the storylines here are very much important)

4x05 - Remember Me

4x09 - Final Mission

4x20 - Qpid

4x21 - The Drumhead (This is here specifically because of the trial scene where Jonathan Frakes made some really interesting directorial choices)

4x23 - The Host

Season 5

5x12 - Violations (Massive warning for what is essentially mind rape in this episode)

5x18 - Cause and Effect

5x19 - The First Duty

5x21 - The Perfect Mate

5x25 - The Inner Light

Season 6

6x10/11 - Chain of Command, Part II & II (Massive warning for psychological and physical torture)

6x15 - Tapestry (Mostly here for Picard backstory purposes)

6x19 - Lessons

6x20 - The Chase (This is specifically here for the last scene where again Jonathan Frakes makes some interesting directorial decisions)

6x22 - Suspicions

6x25 - Timescape (This is here for a specific interaction between Deanna and Picard)

6x26 - Descent Part I

Season 7

7x01 - Descent Part II

7x08 - Attached (If you are only going to watch one episode about these two, this is the one to watch)

7x14 - Sub Rosa (This episode is atrociously bad but there’s still some good PC content here)

7x22 - Bloodlines

7x25/26 - All Good Things…

[racingliners]

Star Trek Comfort Episodes Megalist

Alrighty! So this idea has been in my head for a good few months now. I watch Star Trek a bunch anyway, but I found that when I would be feeling unwell or a little bit down I found myself re-watching the same few episodes over and over, so I decided to make it into a list! 

I've been working on it for a good few weeks, and it's about as finished as I can get it, as I don't know all the Treks equally. So I'm posting it as is, and if anyone who knows some of the shows better, I'm more than happy to take suggestions to add to it!

(Edit 08/11/21: Now includes episodes from Lower Decks)

TOS:

2x15 The Trouble With Tribbles

TNG:

4x11 Data’s Day

4x20 Qpid

5x05 Disaster

6x04 Relics

7x15 Lower Decks

DS9:

3x22 Explorers

4x07 Little Green Men

5x06 Trials and Tribble-ations

6x10 The Magnificent Ferengi

6x14 One Little Ship

7x04 Take Me Out to the Holosuite

7x15 Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang

VOY:

4x14 Message In a Bottle

5x12 Bride of Chaotica!

5x24 Relativity

6x10 Pathfinder

6x11 Fair Haven

6x12 Blink of an Eye

7x18 Q2

ENT:

1x07 Breaking the Ice 

1x18 Acquisition

2x02 Carbon Creek

2x09 Singularity 

2x05 A Night In Sickbay 

2x12 The Catwalk

4x07, 08 & 09 The Forge, Awakening, Kir’Shara

DIS:

1x07 Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad

2x01 Brother

3x07 Unification III

3x13 That Hope Is You (Part 2)

LDS:

1x01 Second Contact

2x03 We’ll Always Have Tom Paris

2x09 wej Duj

Movies:

Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

Star Trek Beyond

[doopcafe]

Star Trek Voyager: Pathfinder (6x10)

Comments: Lt. Barclay, on Earth, becomes obsessed with Voyager and its crew, living out his fantasies with them on the holodeck.

Okay, so the plot here is that Lt. Barclay (from TNG) works for a deep-space communications research lab on Earth where he’s researching ideas to contact Voyager in the Delta Quadrant. He has a crazy-ass idea, but his boss doesn’t think it’ll work and orders Barclay to keep his mouth shut during the upcoming visit by Admiral Paris (Tom Paris’ father). This, of course, he does not do, and eventually proves the feasibility of his crazy idea by defying orders, breaking into the research lab at night, and successfully contacting Voyager.

It’s easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.

...or...

The ends justify the means.

Unsure what the moral was here.

Anyways, why didn’t Barclay's boss just try his idea? It only took Barclay like, half a minute to prove that it worked. Probably could have been faster with some help and without all the drama. Also, Marina Sirtis was in this episode, playing the role of Marina Sirtis.

I guess the Voyager crew is so uninteresting they have to tell TNG Season 8 stories? Marina Sirtis mentions that the Enterprise is in orbit and is then all like, “Don’t worry, I’ll ask Captain Picard for extended short leave so that I can stay here and help you figure this out,” and it’s just like, Troi... I’m pretty sure Captain Picard doesn’t care if you take extended shore leave for the rest of your life. He'd make Guinan the counselor and everyone would be better off.

Sorry, I just I had my second vaccine shot yesterday and I feel absolutely terrible and just really needed to take it out on Marina Sirtis. For the record, she's done nothing wrong.

My enjoyment: 3/5

[evviejo]

STAR TREK: THE NEXT GENERATION // S6E10 Chain of Command, Part 1 In this room you do not ask questions. I ask them, you answer. If I am not satisfied with your answers, you will die.

[walkingstackofbooks]

TNG 6x20 The Chase and 7x15 Lower Decks thoughts (rewatching, so possible future spoilers for DS9 too)

I’ve temporarily paused my DS9 re-watch after 2x20 Maquis Part 1 to go through all the Cardassian episodes in TNG to get a better picture of the build up: 4x12, 5x03, 6x10, 6x11, 6x20 and 7x15.

6x20 The Chase

Admittedly, I skipped the first half of this because as I skimmed through the plot on Memory Alpha, there was no mention of Cardassians until later on XD

Lady Captain Cardassian! I feel like they're pretty rare, it's sas I'm so excited by this

Tfw there's a looong pause... and you're watching it on 1.5x speed. Just how long was that pause in normal time?!

Living for the Klingon-Cardassian banter

Data just THRASHING that Klingon. I love him so much

The Klingon is so INTO Data - this is flirting, right?

"You are attempting to bribe me." "Not at all." "You suggested a plan that would work to your advantage, one that I would be capable of executing. You then implied a reward. Clearly you were."

I think Nu'Daq might be my new favourite one-off character

Cardassian treachery! Gotta love it

Federation smarts! Gotta love it XD

"I will go with you" but imma be salty about it

Just wondering why I hadn't seen Miles about since season 4, then realised that, of course, he's on DS9 XD Doh!

Romulans from nowhere :o

I do like the plan to answer the long-standing why-is-everyone-humanoid question

>> Thinking about the word humanoid the other day, do you think the other species hear their own word through the UT? Kingonoid and Romuloid or so forth.

Haha they disagree, so much for coming together in fellowship and companionship

Romulan ending <3 "Perhaps, one day." "One day."

7x15 Lower Decks

Deanna and Riker are just nice

Love the Vulcan

Bajor mention!

Very professional, waiter, to spill the beans lilke that!

I do love this episode, and seeing the command from the outside

I hope their friendship isn't ruined by promotion. They seem very sweet

Having said that, I suddenly have a horrible feeling Sita dies in this episode

Beverly is so lovely

Lost. Puppy. What?

Awwwwwkward. "They both get a lot of snow." Love how Riker just seems amused.

Yeah, this episode is great, only getting to see what one of the lower decks see

Did he also think Wesley should have been expelled?

I love this Vulcan. And I love Geordie, but his frustration with Taurik is pretty amusing

I'm a fan of this poker juxtaposition scene - interesting that they've broken away from just the lower decks characters.

Hah, okay, Lavelle does annoy Riker

Lol "You and Lavelle are a lot alike." "What? We're not at all alike." "You're bluffing."

I really love this Ben guy. Inclusion of a civilian just being friends with whoever is super cute

Okay, Worf is actually being pretty good here? I find myself liking him in this episode.

Ohhhh "I wanted to make sure that you got a fair chance to redeem yourself", that makes far more sense - no wonder I felt he was a little out of character in the first scene with her, he was acting.

"I didn't realise she would be so young."

The feels. She's so excited and proud and knowing what happens... it hurts.

Oh, the promotion. I'm tearing up. This episode is making me FEEL

Ben, you are great. Nice job moving Worf.

Amazing how this episode is so moving when you barely know the characters. I loved the premise, and I love the execution of it. (Though damn you for killing off Sito.)

Again, we see a helpful Cardassian, but get the overall impression Cardassia is still a threat.

[lawfulgoodedgelord]

I’m rewatching Measure of a Man (because I decidedly hate feeling happy) and I still don’t see the relevance of Data origin’s to Riker/Maddox’s case.

Every person in that room was, in broad terms, built by someone human. 

“It’s responses dictated by an elaborate software written by a man.” Yeah mate, me too. Children are trained by their parents and society to do certain things in certain situations. People have their own codes, but also imposed tracks that they must follow to function in society with other people. Those rules here written, largely, by men.

“It’s hardware built by a man.” Okay, most humans differ here in most cases because our hardware is built by women... Enough said.

tl;dr: everyone is built and programmed by human predecessors, that point is very irrelevant.

[stonedtrek]

i wanted to send you an ask real bad, but since all these year end lists everywhere all i can think of is please make a top 10 most stoned treks list whatever that means thank you

okay here’s my top ten episodes that are the biggest Experience when I’m stoned.

These tripped me out; ENT Strange New World 1x4TNG Remember Me 4x5TNG Schisms 6x5TNG Phantasms 7x6DS9 Dramatis Personnae 1x18DS9 Empok Nor 5x24

These were just really fun to watch;TOS The Trouble With Tribbles 2x17TNG Deja Q 3x13TNG Masks 7x17DS9 The Magnificent Ferengi 6x10

And here’s a bonus shortlist with some that are a little bit of both: ENT Cold Front 1x11TOS I, Mudd 2x8DS9 Distant Voices 3x18 VOY Threshold 2x15

[agl03]

Hi! My understanding from 6x10 is that essentially Pachakuti (a being from Izel’s realm) took over Coulson’s ‘clone/replica’ that the monoliths created. We know some of Coulson’s memories are in there, so before he was taken over he was essentially ‘our Coulson’. So what now? If Pachakuti leaves the body does that leave us with Coulson circa 5x12 taking a really long nap? Have they become intertwined so they can’t just separate like Izel and her hosts? I feel like something is missing here...

HI @cjs-deppendent

I do think that some of our Coulson is in there but I am really in doubt of how many of his memories made the initial transfer.  We know it’s not a perfect copy with the hand being back to normal for example.  Which is why I am referring to them as “ghosts” for now.   IE he remembers a Woman he loved but when said woman is literally right in front of saying it was me, he doesn’t have a glimmer of recognition, nor are we seeing those feelings returning.   If anything next week he’s just going to be downright peeved with them for how they are approaching him.

May, feeling like she can save Coulson.

Daisy, feeling like she needs to get rid of this guy with Coulson’s face.

With FItzsimmons/Deke caught in the middle and no Mack to ‘moderate’ and lead.

For me Pachakuti isn’t the biggest obstacle when it comes to seeing any version of our Coulson back.  It’s Sarge.  Pachakuti has been successfully repressed for hundreds of years as Sarge and the ghost of Coulson’s memories hunted Izel.   

Pachakuti is the means for stopping Izel, once he is woken up (Becuase of course he will be) they’ll be quite the evil team, and just when it looks like they are going to win I do believe that most likely Daisy and/or May will be able to connect with a small bit of “Our” Coulson...or Sarge’s hate for her buried away in there and that is what will turn the tide, Pachakuti will kill Izel and maybe go back to his realm with the portal open or leave for another host.  

Once Pachakuti has been dealt with then Sarge is still there, Sarge who has lived this life for Hundreds of years.  This isn’t like the Framework where he’s going to wake up and Coulson’s memories are going to be the dominant ones, Sarges are.  So who we will have in the mix is Sarge trying to sort himself out and who he is.

I know I am upsetting people with where I stand on this theory.  But Clark, Jed, Mo, Jeff, and Jeph have been very clear with “He’s not getting out of this one”.  Tahiti is the end that they wanted for him all along, had they not been so concerned Season 5 was going to be it they would have held onto it.  And they don’t want to take that back  There isn’t a miracle cure this time.  Coulson as we knew him isn’t going to suddenly come back to us in a True Love’s Kiss kind of moment.  Sarge is more of who he is now.

The best chance I can see for a Coulson do over if you will is if Sarge’s body goes down in the fight with Izel, the monoliths create another copy.  He doesn’t have all of his memories but this time he’s not out of the gate dedicating his life to hunting Izel and isn’t weighed down by Sarge’s memories as well.  For those who watched Star Trek TNG think what they pulled with Data at the end.

They could also choose to keep Sarge around as his new mission becomes hunting down who took the Monoliths (still looking at you Chromicons)  in the first place, and still being a begrudging ally of Shield.  

Jed also warned that the end of the season would NOT be satisfying.  There will be loose threads.  My two biggest targets are the the writers favorite to leave in a precarious position.

Sarge/Coulson:  Ie we don’t know exactly who he is when the dust all settles and have to wait until next season to see where he stands.  OR they team is baited with a “you can save him” similar to how they left Fitz last season.

FItzsimmons:  Again no accident to have them at the base ALL ALONE when everything is just going to Hades...literally....down in that temple.   And if I’m right it would mark the FIRST TIME it was both of them with their fates unknown, not one or the other, and part of next season will be finding THEM or getting them back from the Chromicons.  Or Fitzsimmons have agreed to go on a mission in order to protect the others.  

This also gives Deke the chance he was deprived of this season in helping to save/find them.  Which is where I see this all going.  

I’m sure a lot of people want to be wrong on this and that New Life closes out with Coulson literally starting his life anew memories in tact.   But I don’t see it happening right now.  Until I get more info this is my hill and I won’t be moving unless I see spoilers or something happens in 11 that changes my mind.

[lair-master]

today calls for a Reginald Barclay marathon

my favorite star trek character:

Hollow Pursuits (TNG 3x21)

The Nth Degree (TNG 4x19)

Realm of Fear (TNG 6x02)

Ship in a Bottle (TNG 6x12)

Genesis (TNG 7x19)

Projections (VOY 2x03)

Pathfinder (VOY 6x10)

Life Line (VOY 6x24)

Inside Man (VOY 7x06)

Author, Author (VOY 7x20)

i’ll skip Endgame (VOY 7x25). favorites are TNG 3x21, TNG 6x12, & VOY 6x10.