#tma 149

[ashes-in-a-jar]

Episode 149's Martin and Georgie conversation is really a Martin Kalling the Kettle Blackwood moment

[kat-and-their-cats]

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[iscreamkitty]

TAKE IT BACK????

[morningstarbee]

WAIT CAN MARTIN JUST TURN INVISIBLE NOW???

Damn he really is becoming an avatar of the lonely, someone help him

[foxdrawdoodles]

The Magnus Archives Doodles, MAG 143 - 145 and MAG 147 - 149

[a-mag-a-day]

So the thing that i love about the Georgie-Martin conversation is that neither person really comes out as the Winner of their argument

Martin doesn't convince Georgie to help Jon (a thing he refuses to do himself even though he is capable) and honestly alienates Georgie further from helping, and Georgie, after a back and forth about her reasons, finally lands on not wanting to be a part of any of it (a valid choice to make, but only comes after unfair comparisons between Jon and Melanie)

and one of the things I find interesting is how Jon and Melanie both fall in between this argument! Melanie's ongoing recovery is propped up as a matter of personal will rather than a series of very traumatic choices, one of which Melanie had no say in and admits she would never have agreed to. Jon's status is either a victim who just needs help or someone who "isn't trying" and is even actively looking for ways to be worse (and while Georgie precedes this with "It's not about worth", she then adds an implied "but").

It's a complicated situation, and I think falls into the larger theme of systems that give no support to the people they hurt. Georgie isn't responsible for helping Jon. No single person is. But without supports in place, people slip through the cracks and are then explained away as "not wanting to be better", especially by people who haven't seen the whole picture (as Georgie admits in season 5). Who is responsible for helping people out of situations when they might've put themselves there? Who is responsible for the people that other people don't want to be responsible for?

They're both worried! They both have people they care about! Neither of them know what to do or entirely what's going on because in their own ways they've both abstained from knowing what's going on! It's a great scene!

A very nuanced take on this complex story, thank you for sharing!

[aquietweirdo]

First listen to: MAG 149 - Concrete Jungle

To be honest I wasn’t too interested in the statement itself. The Extinction is existentially terrifying but not like immediately scary. The statements where they’re exploring a dense jungle are also ones where I lose focus.

The convo between Martin and Georgie is tough. I liked that Martin was defending Jon but it doesn’t match his previous actions. Martin has been MIA through most of this season. The one serious talk that he has with Jon was totally dismissive. It’s easy to defend Jon in this instance but that doesn’t matter if Jon doesn’t know that Martin is on his side.

I agree with most of what Georgie said. Whether he wants to or not Jon has continued to hurt people. It’s best to not let yourself be dragged down by people like that. I like that’s she’s supporting Melanie, although it’s funny that she thinks any of them can be saved. Therapy may be working for Melanie but how would it help Jon or Daisy? How would therapy server their biological need for violence and knowledge? The avatars and their connection to the fear entities are not 1:1. It’s not fair to judge Jon based on Melanie and Daisy’s development.

[insanearchivist]

DID MARTIN JUST MAKE STATIC NOISE?????

[bundlofcigars]

I just had the most fucked idea of a buried domain. I am autistic (like almost everyone on the hellsite) and I love being safe under comfy things, but that makes it very easy for my room to get messy. So like, crushed and turned on by the things that used to bring you comfort. I'm probably gonna make a fan statement about this, just putting this here cuz I can.

[ceaselessims]

oh ! the first time martin manifests his lonely abilities on tape is when he's getting upset that he can't get through to georgie about helping jon this is fine

[go-to-the-mirror]

this is the georgie and martin one... oh no...

HI @a-mag-a-day IM ABOUT TO BE SO NORMAL. anyway um conflicts of interest: i love jonathan sims head archivist of the magnus institute london more than anyone else in the world barring my cat and my partner.

so let's just. go then, i guess.

I had a half blue in modern pentathlon and another in orienteering from my undergrad days.

I've done a couple of triathlons before, and a few aquathons (see, my favourite part was cycling, and second favourite was swimming, so I wish there was a swimming and cycling one I could do, instead of just swimming and running), but I've never heard of a pentathlon before. Apparently - according to the CBC - it's fencing, swimming, horse riding, and combined running and shooting.

Obviously, we wanted to leave him to his own stupidity and let the Amazon deal with him, but we both knew that it just wouldn’t be worth the paperwork.

ajhdshaghfhg they should have

As I got closer to the shabono, it became clear what was wrong with it. Although each roof was thatched like normal, the stands weren’t made of leaves, but all kinds of different materials instead: long strands of plastic, shards of rusted metal, even oddly shaped hunks of cement.

Hmm

But the inside was just like the outside, and in the worst possible way. There were no people in there, but that’s not the same thing as it being empty. Instead there were … figures. From a distance, they looked like human beings standing impossibly still, but getting closer quickly revealed the lie. They were just the rough shapes, cobbled together out of a hundred different pieces of garbage: a broken metal clothes horse for a ribcage, a plastic chair leg for an arm, rusted screws for teeth. In some cases, it looked like someone had gone to a lot of effort to match anatomy with construction. I saw one with a broken water cooler where its stomach would be, and another had a pair of old oxygen tanks standing in for lungs.

That's really spooky!

He started convulsing, as grey, liquid concrete began to pour from his mouth, from his nose and his eyes. His limbs went rigid and I could see his body starting to swell with it. I don’t know if it was me or Fernanda screaming, maybe it was both of us, but I know it was her that first spotted that the detritus figures were no longer choosing to stand still. That was the last I ever saw of Dr Nikos Anastas. There was never any question of trying to save him.

Oh that is quite spooky. Did they move? Did they become statues? Tis left to the imagination, for your mind to come up with the scariest possible answer while you try to sleep.

In the end, we crossed paths with a group of real Yanomami tribesmen. They were really friendly and, once they figured out that we were lost, they were very happy to return us to a part of the jungle we knew, near our facility. Of course, we didn’t have a good explanation for what happened to Dr Anastas, so we lost our jobs pretty much immediately. But you know what? That’s fine. I’m done with the jungle. There’s something in there, and I don’t know which scares me more: the thought that it’s more than just the things we left behind; or that that’s all it is, and we can’t escape the ruins of our own future.

that is a GREAT last line. ✨spooky!✨

GEORGIE Oh… Because I think he’s going to destroy himself and anyone who lets him get too close. And I don’t want that to include me. Or Melanie.

Alright, alright. Firstly, do I get where Georgie's coming from? Yes, I do. It's hard, having to step away from someone you love because they're going to get you hurt. Giving up one people is hard, and it's shitty when other people tell you that you need to not do that, different situations, but still, same principle. You decide who to associate yourself with, and it's fine to give up on people.

But... being alone sucks, being given up on sucks. I've been there. I've been given up on. You know what sucks more than the fear that everyone hates you? That fear being realized. And that fear was realized for Jon, he wakes up from a coma and has Georgie basically tell him she wished he was dead - maybe not what she said, but that's an interpretation, and if I know enough about anxiety - I know that interpretation is what Jon believes.

Good for Georgie, I guess, doesn't get her life ruined by a monster, I guess. But I sympathize more with Jon. Justified? Sure, but hey, me being alone was justified too. Does it still hurt? Yeah. Is it still a shitty situation to be in, does it still ache to be written off by someone you trusted? Yeah. Yeah, it probably does.

MARTIN Well, sometimes helping people hurts. GEORGIE Sure, but that doesn’t mean everything painful helps. Sometimes people have problems that will wreck you long before you can make a dent in them. And some people don’t want help; they just want other people suffering with them.

And here's the thing, right. I don't have one singular take on this. There's ✨nuance!✨ Like, yeah, does it suck to be written off by a friend? Yeah! Yeah it does! But then, Martin's all... he's doing this whole... hurt himself for Jon - something that, yeah, isn't helping. He's just hurting himself, he's just putting himself in these dangerous situations because maybe it'll help Jon.

Georgie has every right to leave, to protect herself and Melanie. She can't help Jon. Sure, she's saying it in a vaguely victim blame-y way, most seen in the whole "throwing a grenade and jumping on it" thing, cause he didn't chose this, at least not fairly, but she's right to leave, she's right to say this, she feels that she'll just get herself hurt if she tries to help and I get that.

You don't want to set yourself on fire to keep other people warm.

GEORGIE He doesn’t know what he wants. And from the sound of things, he’s run out of time to figure it out. MARTIN It’s easy to pass judgement from the outside. GEORGIE One more reason to stay on the outside.

AND YEAH, IM A LITTLE ANNOYED AT GEORGIE HERE, because she doesn't know what's going on, she doesn't understand and she doesn't get to pass judgement on what other people are feeling and doing and thinking and deciding as someone who's not involved and doesn't want to be involved. Great for her, she isn't trapped in an evil job and gotten turned into a bloody monster. Yeah, I think Martin's right here, for a given value of right. Right is subjective.

MARTIN A-a-and wh-what, you think Melanie’s worth saving? GEORGIE It’s not about worth, but yeah, she’s actually trying to get well, so I’m going to help her. MARTIN This place isn’t a sickness. GEORGIE No, I think it’s worse. MARTIN Look, we’re all just trying to do the right thing. GEORGIE Maybe. Look, life forces you to make hard decisions, but I can never trust someone who goes around looking for hard decisions to make.

You sure that's what's happening? You sure it's not - I dunno - a lot of intentionally crafted rock and hard place decisions for the purpose of ending the world? You sure it's not magically knowing that your... colleague has a ghost bullet in her, and having to decide between violating her trust or asking her and potentially her actually hurting and/or killing you? Sure it's not someone's trapped in a coffin and you're like well, hey, at least I can do something useful? Get her out? Die trying? It's so easy to pass judgement from the outside, to call it a stupid decision when it wasn't. You know what sort of decision it was? A decision from someone who didn't care whether they lived or died in part because of your actions.

GEORGIE Oh, I was, um… … Huh. No-one, apparently. MELANIE Yeah, this place will do that to you. Come on. GEORGIE Sure.

I ONLY NOW REALIZED MARTIN TURNED INVISIBLE WITH HIS SPOOKY LONELY POWERS??? WHAT???

Huh.

Well, in conclusion, really cool statement, I have Feelings about the post statement, and I just think that although Georgie has every right to leave and a point in some things that she was saying, she still said it in a really victim blame-y way, and I'm a little annoyed at her perspective on things. Also, Martin's in like season 3 Jon level of monsterhood, I don't know why he thought he wasn't an Avatar in season 5. Was he doing it unconsciously? Is he at season 2 level, actually?

Right...

Oh! Tomorrow is Cul-de-Sac, one of my favourite episodes... ever. So, look forward to that :3

[flowersfrombefore]

Georgie content but at what cost (knowing Martin is going to slowly be forgotten by everyone)

[fractal-voidling]

MAG149 - #0131305 │ Concrete Jungle

Martin 🥺

ugh, there just has to be a prideful idiot that dooms everyone

I like the idea of pollution literally biting humans in the ass, lol

BRO, DID MARTIN JUST STATIC HIMSELF INVISIBLE?!

[6-and-7]

TMA Tarot

7 of Discs - MAG 149 Concrete Jungle

[themagnustournament]

Round One Part Six - Match 51

rip Gertrude's assistants tbh. Anyway Concrete Jungle makes me think of Fordlandia. That shit was wild.

MAG 167 - Curiosity | Spotify - Acast - YT | Wiki | Transcript

An examination of Gertrude Robinson and her assistants. Audio recording by the Archivist.

MAG 149 - Concrete Jungle | Spotify - Acast - YT | Wiki | Transcript

Statement of Judith O'Neill, regarding their time at the Anglo-Brazilian Amazon Trust.

[underyoursnow]

mag149 is so scary we need to talk about it more. like shits insane