#tjlc stop the hate

[buckingham-ashtray]

“Now it’s coming.”

“Remember now, Henry. You’ve got to remember what happened here when you were a little boy.”

—— SHERLOCK, The Hounds of Baskerville

“Your funny little memories, Sherlock.”

—— EURUS, The Final Problem

The dog, the lies, the denial;

The childhood trauma, the reoccurring flashbacks, the ‘Better Story’.

It's one thing to compare the parallels between thob and tfp, and another thing to actually align them and play them at the same time.

They overlap each other so well that even the timing is almost in sync. Looking at Henry as a strong Sherlock mirror, with the tfp clip playing in the background this is literally Sherlock forcing himself to remember what happened here at Musgrave when he was a little boy.

The demons beneath the ever ongoing road of We’ve-Been-Warning-You-Of-The-Truth-Ever-Since-The-Very-Start-But-Were-You-Listening. It’s getting real terrifying now.

[leatherbookmark]

"lucius is wrong, izzy talking about losing his leg to a shark because he was 'dangling his feet over the edge of the ship' is not him coping, but acknowledging that everything that happened to ed was entirely his fault! AND ALSO it was him comparing ed to an animal, #typical"

[gloriousmonsters]

5 minutes and i again see

someone: *makes a joke about how taylor swift should tell people to kill ron desantis for her because it would be super effective*

someone else: haha, no she wouldn't say it right out. Here's a string of emojis and let me explain what the references are, as Taylor Swift is wont to play little games with promoting stuff where she knows her fans have often been with her throughout her career and will get references to specific songs/albums/events, therefore allowing her to create decodable messages

someone else: WOW THIS IS JUST LIKE QANON

[scoupsahoy]

i wanna talk about The Ship War going on right now in the 911 fandom (largely on tiktok and twitter) and i'm not a bnf especially in this fandom (and i wouldn't want to be) but i'm kind of hoping people on both sides are willing to read this post anyway because i cannot be the only one completely turned off by it

i finished writing this so i wanna clarify: this is officially aimed at buddie shippers (i am one of you) because i genuinely want to have meaningful discussion and also i'm not exactly defending tommy here. but! i think if bucktommy shippers were interested in reading, there is stuff in here for you too

i have to split this up into sections which is annoying but i won't be able to make any sense without sections so. sorry

1. pre-tommy buddie shipping

so like a lot of people i knew about 911 and buddie entirely through tumblr osmosis, and there was a general attitude of confidence: buddie WILL become canon. if it doesn't... something something. i don't really know the season 6 finale was hard for a lot of you. and after watching, i do really understand why. but.

from an outside perspective, this fandom attitude was nothing like i'd ever really experienced before. i stopped watching supernatural around season 11, several years before gaycas, when confirmed bisexual dean was genuinely outside the realm of possibility.

i was a tjlc believer. i was an episode 4 conspiracist. i have been delusional about gays on my television screen before. so i was really apprehensive at the way buddie fans were moving. not only was buddie GOING to happen, but if it didn't it would be a failure of the network and the showrunners and the actors and it could have been the greatest love story ever told and shipping was not ENOUGH. it had to be canon in order to matter. shipping anything else was fruitless and offensive. this was what i was seeing. and i was like. well there's no way that's going to happen

and then season 7 started airing and there was this reignited hope

and then 7x4 aired.

2. the birth of bucktommy

so i started watching 911 after 7x4 aired. a lot of people did. i'll be honest i did genuinely think that eddie was out and gay and i was like "oh shit is it finally happening??" and then i realized it was some other guy and spend like 4 straight days tumblr deepdiving into it

like i said i was almost exclusively following buddie shippers so my consensus was like. buck and tommy are cute but it's obviously (TO ME) a steppingstone for buddie. after watching the entire show i do still feel that way.

here's the thing though: shipping isn't about what is going to be canon. i'm a marvel fan. my first fandom was fucking icarly, okay, my track record of shipping non-canon couples that actually end up together starts and ends with nbc sitcoms and even then barely. shipping to me is about character analysis and smooshing barbie dolls together with my friends. shipping to me is putting some guy in a blender and another guy performing frankenstein experiments on them

it doesn't matter to me actually that a ship isn't going to end up together, even if i like them. i'm not saying some bucktommy fans don't overstep certain boundaries (that i'll get into) but a FAIR BIT of them know this. a fair bit of them were buddie shippers and a fair bit of them still are. and there's a reason theyre put off

3. social media discourse

the first real piece of morality discourse came from tiktok. i won't namedrop this creator but if you're on tiktok you know who i'm talking about.

this person started the tiktok talking about something that i genuinely do agree with: fans who love tommy but hated all of buck's ex girlfriends should probably perform some self-reflection on the very real misogyny problem in 911 fandom and fandom in general. this i am 1000% behind. a call-in of sorts: hey guys! check yourselves! it is really easy to fall into misogyny especially with gay shipping. though i will argue that buddie shippers could stand to do the same thing (looking at you, people who write fanfic where ana flores is ableist for no reason)

they went on, however, to say that bucktommy shippers Must only like bucktommy because they are a gay ship, And Also Therefore, these people Must Be gay fetishists, as the only reason you would like bucktommy over buddie is because you just want to see men make out with each other. You People don't like gay shipping in the Correct way that i do, you like to gay ship in a nasty fetish way (only slightly exaggerating). you saw that buck and tommy kissed online and you watched the entire show just to watch men make out with each other which is Bad And Wrong.

aside from the fact that this person also literally started watching the show after 7x4 aired (and like i said so did a lot of people. one would think this is a morally neutral thing to do), this struck a nerve with me. this take (which was repeated ad nauseam by everyone in their circle) is just plainly irresponsible.

it is inappropriate to suggest that someone is like. morally reprehensible for *checking my notes* shipping a canon television couple. is tim minear a gay fetishist for writing the bucktommy kiss? is the average viewer a gay fetishist for going "oh i didn't see that coming! they seem like a nice couple"? is my mom a gay fetishist? are you calling my mom a gay fetishist??

this is an argument that i've seen happen in a billion different ways over the past decade and a half of being in fandom spaces by the way. are women allowed to read gay fanfiction? what about gay porn? what if they get off to it? are they allowed to write it themselves? what if they're not straight? what if they're not women? was casey mcquiston fetishizing gay men when they wrote red white and royal blue? is the romance genre allowed to exist with gay men and straight women in it? do you have to check everyone's gender or sexual identity at the login page for ao3 and tumblr dot com to determine if it is morally okay for them to participate in fandom at all?

and then there was the comparisons between bucktommy and buddie fic stat breakdowns: bucktommy's are writing more smut And That's Bad and buddie fans are writing stories with plot And That's Good.

it. is. irresponsible. it is oversimplifying. it is judgmental and above all else it is irrelevant. people could like bucktommy because they think they're hot or because they think theyre interesting or because buck realized he was bisexual or because they think tommy has potential as a character. it is a ship. creating a dichotomy where one ship is the morally good thing to ship and one ship is the morally bad thing to ship is irresponsible and not in the spirit of fandom.

morality and purity conversations in fandom are like. an entirely different can of worms to talk about and this is going to be long enough already. but bucktommy shippers shot back with the same energy:

if you don't like bucktommy then you are homophobic because tommy is gay

i did see quite a bit of this argument because a number of people that id been following did get into bucktommy and i do still follow and like these people

i covered most of my feelings about this type of argument above but to reiterate: it is possible to like different ships without making it a morality competition. it's disingenuous and annoying.

especially that brief stint where people were saying that the bucktommy shipname was a slur against gay men. you can just not like it. you can just not like it and have it end there. it's an ugly shipname but you don't have to make it a moral issue.

especially because then buddie shippers pulled out the trump card:

4. the tommy problem

because these people just watched the entire show in like four weeks (again, neutral statement, i did the same fucking thing) they remember tommy from hen and chimney begins. and. okay

i'm not about to be taken out of context here. i watched bp's video when it came out, i think what was said was wrong, i'm not about to say that being racist was like. cool or excusable 20 years ago. i think there is a discussion to be had here about this though. there's a reason i'm typing this out carefully:

i want to say firstly that there IS a conversation to be had about the social landscape in 2005 and especially pre-obama america for the purposes of a bunch of 20 years olds who were not alive or fully conscious yet. people told casually racist jokes (casual in that they are told casually without intent for violence, not that they are not violent. all racism is violence) and there were fewer social ramifications for those racist jokes in 2005. that does not make them Magically Not Racist. they were. it was not okay. it was, however, Extremely Common. does that make it okay? no.

i'm saying that largely because it seems to ME that tim or whoever wrote that particular episode wrote that joke to paint a picture of where the characters are in the story. chimney is not under bobby. he is not being treated with respect. he is 15 years in the past (from when the episode aired. whatever) it is different. it wasn't supposed to matter who said it

(it did matter and it does matter that it's tommy who said it by the way. because that's like. the universe of the show)

(though my theory - and i'm just being stupid for a sec indulge me it's 3am - is that tim and ryan both LOVE writing in guys named tommy. seriously i've been rewatching glee and when i watched 911 i noticed this too that there are so many characters that we never even meet named tommy. abby's ex for one. my theory is that tim wanted to bring in some guy named tommy for buck's awakening and he realized he already had one. lol.)

SECONDLY. sorry that was longwinded. secondly, i am a person who believes that people are capable of change. 20 years is a long time to grow. even as an adult. again, this does not excuse racism, but it is important anyway.

this is all theoretical but i want you to walk with me: it is possible for a 20-30 year old closeted gay white man with a homophobic captain pre-obama to pick up and not experience consequences for inappropriate comments and casual racism and even be seeking out a parent-like validation from someone who encourages it AND THEN, after 20 years wherein he realizes he's gay, comes out of the closet, i believe it is POSSIBLE for him to unpack his internalized racism, apologize, and grow as a person

obviously these are fictional characters but it is important to my fucking philosophy of life that people are capable of change and having empathy or understanding that in fictional characters is so fucking baseline.

it is important that we as a society can agree that someone's behavior, ideology, and/or biases can change. that like. that just HAS to be possible.

caveat #1 that does not mean that any people of color who are fans of the show have to like tommy or even forgive him (or even like. hen and chim lmao it's kind of clear to me that at least hen doesn't) and i am not going to tell them to

caveat #2 i also understand that there is no explicit acknowledgment of this on screen (i think this is because tim forgot which i find funny but like i said. it still matters that it's tommy regardless of intent) and because of that there technically is nothing To forgive

ALL OF THAT TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.

even if we are assuming that tommy has learned nothing and has not changed at all. the leap from "tommy is/was racist" to "shipping bucktommy or finding tommy interesting Makes You Racist" is heinous to me.

sometimes people like characters who are shitty people. some of you like tony stark. sorry

it's ridiculous to me because there are plenty of other reasons to dislike bucktommy that doesn't like. vilify random people on the internet. he's not even framed as a particularly good boyfriend! we don't even know if they're boyfriends, for one thing!

i've been complaining about buddie shippers for this entire time but i literally am one of you and that's what pisses me off. you threw the first blow in the morality competition and you are bigger - and you KNOW you are bigger because you are proud of the fact - and you are winning.

you are right about a lot of it: tommy isn't a good guy. there is an active racism problem in this fandom. there is a misogyny problem in this fandom. but by and large buddie shippers have been in the game longer and have much larger followings and there is nasty shit i'm seeing which brings me to

5. social media discourse 2 electric boogaloo: twitter edition

twitter is a cesspool in the best of times but i have seen some shit in the past two weeks that makes me never want to write fanfiction for this fandom or even interact with most of the fans ever again. and i'm serious

there is a big buddie fanfic writer who is like. beloved. if you read buddie fanfiction you've read their work for sure. they started writing bucktommy and buddietommy fics around april. and people are being so nasty about them on twitter it is actually fucking embarrassing.

AND LIKE. god. fandom etiquette is so simple.

when i first started reading buddie fanfic the first thing i noticed was how many fics are locked. and i was like "i wonder why that is"

just look at these tweets. i have kept the author's handle here uncensored but please be normal do not bother this person. i'm sure their ao3 comments are hell enough already

what the fuck is your people's problem i'm serious

i'm like actually appalled. this is embarrassing. this isn't even the most embarrassing thing i've seen buddie stans do recently and it is NOT uncommon. it is not small accounts. you guys are the majority. these tweets have hundreds of likes.

i don't give a shit what this person was writing. i actually don't care. their fics are locked. they write for free.

to take someone's fic outside ao3 is considered bad fandom etiquette. to talk about an author where they don't have an account is generally considered bad fandom etiquette. to complain about fanfiction openly is bad fandom etiquette. i don't care if this is y'all's first fandom. in what world are you going to take to twitter and openly complain about someone writing fanfiction for a ship you don't like.

if i were them i would delete all of the buddie fics or never write buddie again i'm so serious. this is so ridiculous.

and this is sort of the nail in the coffin for me, seeing this tweet the other day:

this tweet has over a thousand likes

this is a larger fandom issue as of recent with the use of like. mental health terms as insults but it actually fucking disgusts me!

i looked at mark's twitter. it's pretty clear to me that he's a troll/having fun/provoking people on purpose but on TOP of that his tweets get at most 35 likes. i checked and this tweet got 21 likes. and over a thousand likes calling him schizophrenic. 24 replies doubling down. 25 retweets. 47 quote tweets. 62 bookmarks. over a thousand likes.

and buddie shippers are the good guys

it is ridiculous to me that as a fandom buddie shippers have created a space where it is impossible to have a meaningful discussion about fandom misogyny, racism, of homophobia because everyone who disagrees with you is morally opposed to you, and yet it is this side of the fandom with enough traction and support to openly bully and mock these people that you have decided are morally reprehensible.

6. in conclusion i'm sorry i know no one read this

fandom in general post-covid has become less of a community based in sharing creativity and the love of something (and i know this intimately as a kpop stan lol). online spaces in general have become something i don't recognize or want to participate in. which sucks. i've been here for a long time.

i know there's not really any way for that group of like 5 or so tiktokers that complain about tommy ad nauseam to see this or even take it seriously. i know there's not any way for those people on twitter to magically understand fandom etiquette or just block the people they don't want to see.

everyone would be happier if they just. blocked and moved on. i know i would. and i have! in a lot of cases. there's a reason i blocked out the names on those tweets (note: i blocked mark's twitter handle. the person who screenshotted it so he wouldn't be notified and then called them schizophrenic did not. because they do not care) because it's not about THEM it's about the whole fucking thing.

and a lot of these people want to be mad. it's why they're so hung up on tommy. like i'm sorry if any bucktommy fan is still reading this but GOD TOMMY HAS BEEN ON SCREEN FOR LIKE TEN MINUTES TOTAL IN THE ENTIRE SHOW. HE DOESN'T EVEN MATTER. JUST ADMIT THIS IS ABOUT A SHIP WAR. IT ISN'T ABOUT HOW GOOD OF A PERSON YOU ARE OR ANYONE IS. IT'S JUST A SHIP WAR. and they want to be miserable. they want to sit in their little echochamber of morally upright big name fans and they want to provoke bucktommy fans into saying something shitty and they love it because they don't really fucking care about the show.

you know how i know? because tommy is the least important part of chimney begins. that is in the best 3 episodes of this entire television show and none of y'all have anything to say about it. because you're just as obsessed with tommy as they are.

[priestfrommidnightmass]

(gayroman, sorry lol using my main) this is important to Me. what do you think peter maldonado and sam ecklund's letterboxd top fours are

oh my fucking GOD. i have been waiting for this moment my whole life. EVERYONE BE QUIET. apologies in advance if i get a little lost along the way i have a lot of thoughts on the way they’d consume movies and the movies they’d love individually and together so…

i don’t think peter is a Total “film bro” but i do certainly think he enjoys the pretentious more than sam does. my list of movies that i deeply believe changed the trajectory of peter’s life includes: spotlight, american beauty, phantom thread, se7en, the social network, ex machina, nightcrawler, and gone girl. spotlight came out just before av happened and i think 15 year old peter was Never the same after that. he was like oh my god i Need to do this. personally i didn’t like american beauty but i think he’s the type that would be changed by it at least when he was very young. i think he went into phantom thread expecting to not care abt it much but left thinking abt it for days and days on end and probably saw himself in it a little. se7en because. come on tell me he Wasn’t speechless after seeing that shit. same with the social network. like what do you want me to say. i think ex machina because i just do i just think he’d like it. nightcrawler because. (gestures) come on. and gone girl because i have this funny idea that sam and peter watched that together and both left changed for veryyyy different reasons. i think he’d also enjoy argo i forgot to mention that. but to answer the question of what would be in his top four… i’m gonna go with spotlight se7en nightcrawler and the social network… that feels right to me…

as for sam… i think sam has No tolerance for any of the shit peter enjoys. he’s not stupid by any means but he watches movies to have FUN ONLY!!! NONE OF THE BORING SHIT PETER LOVES!!! once on a whim i actually Did make sam’s letterboxd (ecklundmovies00 if anyone’s interested. i tell a story through that account it’s canon to me) and his actual letterboxd top four on there consists of: hot rod, the greatest showman, the lego batman movie, and spiderman 3. it just feels So right to me. it’s just true. honorable mentions to pitch perfect i think he’d love it very much and i believe he left 2018 forever changed after seeing love simon and call me by your name i think he certainly had a lot to unpack that year.

bonus thoughts i think they both force each other to watch movies the other Hates (peter often telling sam he doesn’t take things seriously and can’t recognize good cinema and sam complaining that peter hates fun and only loves boring shit.) however they do find some things they agree upon. one movie they can agree upon is clerks. peter likes it from a filmmaking standpoint and sees it as admirable since it was made on such a low budget and sam likes it because he thinks it’s funny and kind of wishes he could be randal. one of the Greatest truths i’ve decided on is that their one joint cinematic voice is the movie hot rod. it’s so shitty and yet anytime they need to distract themselves from the world they turn it on they’ve seen it together easily 15+ times. because of this they were also some of the only supporters of popstar: never stop never stopping when it came out. documentarians have to support documentarians! i also think they watched all of sherlock together and had a massive obsession with it they were using that av room to pick apart tjlc I KNOW IT! i also think they enjoyed seeing the most recent star wars trilogy and recent james bond movies together in theatres. i don’t know how much they enjoyed the movies themselves but they loved the ritual. but other than that there’s very little middle ground. can you tell i’ve been dying to talk abt this lmfao sorry. did that answer your question

[tiger-in-the-flightdeck]

Die the salty ask game, if I may: 5, 6, 14 and 19

Has fandom ever ruined a pairing for you?: I can't think of an- *War flashbacks, with screams of TJLC echoing in my ears* Sorry, what was that?

No, but seriously, yes. Absolutely. I used to loooove JohnLock. But then a really vocal -and aggressive- part of that fandom started targeting writers who didn't write them exactly the way they wanted. I was one of those people who got a target on my back because I didn't write John as a fluffy uwu bamf who has never done anything wrong in his life. I made the mistake of -Gasp!- writing him canon-accurate! Anyway, after about a year of abuse, I said screw it, stopped writing for the Sherlock fandom entirely, and you have no idea how much better it feels. That same creepy contingency bounced from Sherlock to a few other big fandoms and did the exact same thing, but thankfully haven't gotten a foot hold into the ones I'm part of now.

Has fandom ever made you enjoy a pairing you previously hated?* Already answered this one!

Unpopular opinion about your fandom?: Hmm... Let's go through the ones I'm most active in.

BatFam: Tim and Jason are each other's favourites. I will die on this hill.

Outlaws: A good 50% of the reason why JoyFire works so well is because neither Roy nor Jay could top someone without Kori there to hold their hands and give encouragement.

SuperFam: Conner Kent deserves 162% more love.

Justice League: Oliver Queen is nowhere near as interesting a character as anyone thinks he is, and he doesn't deserve Dinah or Roy. JLI Martian Manhunter is the best Martian Manhunter. Wonder Woman stories written by horny men are some of the most boring comics ever.

Young Justice: The 2019 comic was good, dammit.

DCU in general: Giving Apollo and Midnighter backstories featuring actual identities was a stupid decision that rivals splitting them up and implying that Midnighter would have affairs. I refuse to acknowledge any canon that features this crap. Lian being 'Shoes' is both dumb and boring. Geoff Johns should be given an intense electrical shock every time he thinks about writing a teenage girl.

Venom (Yes, I enjoy things outside of DC!!): We need to be considerably hornier. I know, I know, we're already one of the horniest fandoms, but we can do better.

What is the one thing you hate most about your fandom?: Not the fandoms themselves, but the source materials- Retconning. I hate it. When it's something being retconned from like forty-five years ago, that's fine. My issue is when a new writer takes over a title and almost immediately changes what was canon before. My biggest grrr for this is when a writer took over Venom and proceeded to completely rewrite the love story to turn it into a gaslit disaster and pretended it had always been that way.

[bisexualmindcabin]

I hate how much your S5 theory makes sense, but it does! The 100y D-notice thing, wow. However, the part about trying to recreate the outrage surrounding the original stories that led to it coming back after a decade didn't really happen. There's like 20 people who want more (I'm referring to TJLC-ers such as myself) but no one is being vocal about it. Even people who liked S4 at face value have all but forgotten the show exists by this point, so what is the big pay-off for waiting 10 years do you think? Is it just so they can say they did it? Because honestly, after 10 years even the most hardcore fans will move on to other interests. There's so much media out there, if it does come in 2027 the majority of people will be like, oh wow, yeah I remember that show and not like a huge celebration that it's coming back. And I say this as someone who is hyper-obsessed with the show, but a decade is so long. What do you think?

MOOD NONNY DJSJDKD. I too hate how much my theory makes sense!

To answer your other question, I agree. It didn't work. As I understand it, they meant to make s4 in a way that was off-putting, but made people react by saying actually, go back, we don't want a Sherlock that is only about the stories, we don't want a Sherlock in which Sherlock and John are estranged, or fighting, or with someone else in between.

The reaction that actually happened was astronomical compared to what (I think) they wanted. It exploded in rage or derision at how bad it was then died off quickly for the general masses. It made us, TJLCers, equal parts deeply confused and hurt, for a long time.

And they know this! The know they failed and "broke the contract between an author and a reader", which is exactly what BBC Dracula is about (If you haven't watched it, I recommend). In it, if you agree with @victorianpining's reading of them using Dracula as a self-insert, they pretty much acknowledge that they did, and didn't mean to, but that the game is on regardless.

I disagree with the part about it being too long a time. As a hyper-obsessed fan myself, I'm gonna be sat lmao. For normal people however, is it too long for hype to be high and fandom to be active? Yes and probably yes. Is it so long all interest will have died down? Well depends. People won't be thinking about it before it's announces, but 10 years is exactly the amount of time for nostalgia to sort of set in. People who watched casually have probably forgotten how bad s4 was. People who were once fans but despised s4 might, in 10 years time, stop resenting that season and decide to enjoy the first three again. It's difficult to know those things beforehand.

And ultimately I think it's a moot point. The BBC doesn't care about international audiences and has generally allowed the writers to do whatever they wanted, and the writers have never cared too much about what other people thought, rather they were doing the show because it was what they wanted to see. And that, right there, is the pay off. The thing that would motivate them to do it is that they consider their adaptation to be the first one that gets it right, where everyone else has been getting it wrong. If that includes a 10 year gap, that has been foreshadowed by the entire subtext and meta-meaning of s4, and brings new meaning to the reason they might ascribe as to why ACD originally killed off Holmes, but with a satisfying rewrite for the reason they will bring him back, then they'll do it.

[marsixm]

so not to no true scotsman here but as someone who watches/listens to a Lot of true crime content but also is appalled by the 'true crime brain' phenomenon like im really wondering how radically different the true crime content can be out there, or is it the viewers mentality, or is it a combination of things. a lot of the true crime stuff i listen to is victim focused, but not conspiratorial. like mostly just recounting the basic facts of cases, usually older or solved ones. basically like the home made youtube successors to forensic files (which ive also seen basically every episode of) i know Certain Podcasts and tiktoks about current events apparently are fucked up? i did stop watching a particular youtube channel when it started leaning into "oooo spooky personality disorders" commentary out of nowhere in every case. im just like. is a lot of this driven by the way shit gets whipped up on social media + the current conservative conspiracy panic over "trafficking" or like i wonder how much true crime shit out there really is just saying all this shit and encouraging this behavior.

theres no point to this post im just reflecting on something thats causing such a huge social issue right now but is so weirdly not reflective of my experience of the thing.

i also wonder if its because i already sowed my conspiracy brain oats with fictional shit like tjlc so now i dont have the bandwidth for that anymore????

honestly a lot of this is just fucking me up right now too after seeing a bunch of people read the tea leaves of an obviously mentally unwell persons twitter acct and me reading this "evidence" in total confusion while these people whip each other up into a frenzy because 'how dare you not take these accustions seriously' when i think in reality mental health advocacy has focused so hard on anxiety and burnout and depression that people DONT know how to handle things like psychosis or delusions or anything at all when presented with it and theyll call anyone questioning if that is whats happening a monster and like. theres people in the comments of this, thinking its 100% real, ON THE SIDE of the person who might be delusional, saying "this is just like an episode of YOU!" "this is like a movie!" so i wonder how much of it is about /true/ crime at all???

like people have already gotten hurt, some are questioning if people reaffirming this persons delusions helped drive them to suicide, there are people who have been accused of murder based on literally nothing in the past couple years- personally i hate acting like something is 'tiktoks fault' bc it usually comes down to a social model much of the internet and large platforms fall into, it just so happens tiktok is very very very good at fueling that- but yeah tiktok definitely isnt helping this kind of telephone game of culture we have going on with conspiracies

anyway yeah this post is just rambling but like. seriously what the fuck is going on with the rest of true crime content out there

[antlerx-art]

Ok this.

Do you see this? This is great. Ok yes we agree this is one of the best johnlock moments ever and it’s the most intimate they’ve ever been, yes this is amazing. Sherlock gently holding John’s neck while he’s crying, literally amazing.

BUT-

Every single time I watch this scene there’s something that almost makes me turn up my nose, something bitter, something that ruins everything. And what, or more specifically, who could it be if not the “””great””” Rosamund Mary Morstan, the liar, the one who shot Sherlock and married John, the one who hid her identity and the fact that she was an assassin, the manipulative wife, the woman who tried to spread John and Sherlock apart.

Because this scene is almost perfect, almost.

It could be perfect if John was crying after accepting the fact that he’s bi or after confessing his love for sherlock, it could be perfect if John wasn’t crying FOR THE WOMAN WHO MARRIED BUT DIDNT EVEN LOVE AND WAS LITERALLY ABOUT TO CHEAT ON.

I mean

SERIOUSLY

Don’t try to tell me that John loved her and felt really guilty about cheating on her because we all know it’s not quite true. Ok he could be sad about Mary’s death because he liked her ??? personality??? way of??? manipulating people????? wtf???? He’s not even crying about her death, that would also be acceptable, but no, he’s👏🏻 crying 👏🏻about 👏🏻 the fact👏🏻 that 👏🏻 he had 👏🏻 cheating thoughts 👏🏻 and didn’t 👏🏻 tell her 👏🏻while for like THE WHOLE DAMN SERIES HE HAD BEEN SECRETLY IN LOVE WITH SHERLOCK AND DIDNT EVEN BOTHER ADMITTING IT TO HIMSELF DAMN IT SEASON 4 IS A MESS AND ALSO GOOD SCENES ARE RUINED BY MARY

BYE IM DONE😗👍🏻✨

don’t mind me it’s two am sorry

[sherlokiuss]

i'm fine if you were a sherlock blog and now you're a good omens blog, it's all fine

but please

please don't start shitting on sherlock, that's not okay. let people enjoy what they like

I love sherlock, it's part of me and it's part of other people too. There's no point on your lack of argument criticism, enjoy your show, and have a life I guess.

(btw read garkgatiss meta if you still have doubts on the show, believe me, it is.... ah read it)

[mystudyinjohnlock-blog]

This is what you wanted, haters? C'mon! Stop with the hate. What is your point? What do you want to get? This is not a war. Sherlock is A TV SHOW. Leave these guys ALONE FOR ONCE!

[leatherbookmark]

ootd features the words "black dress" in its lyrics and people are like oh! this is a reference to another group's song, "black dress"!

i'm unwell.

[shebeafancyflapjack]

Gonna keep an elastic band on my wrist and snap it every time I torture myself by watching Why Sherlock S4 Sucks videos on YouTube.

[gayandgoldenhaired]

Idk why I’m ever poking this wasp nest ok im not in the 911 fandom or anything (as in I love the show, but I don’t create anything or like engage with it too much in fandom spaces) but sweet lord some of y’all in this fandom are giving me johnlock flashbacks. buddie might not happen (in fact, I lean more towards it probably not happening, tho to be clear I ship it a lot). not everything is a hint towards canon buddie. pls stop analyzing bts stuff and reading into everything with conspiracy glasses to so you can claim certainty that it’s happening and the writers/showrunners are planting seeds for the eagle-eyed. I’m not trying to hate or ruin fun or call y’all dumb because you aren’t. just as a veteran of sherlock and johnlock? don’t put your whole soul into canon buddie. don’t look for hints in everything. because odds are, they aren’t hints. you will literally only ruin the show for yourself if it doesn’t happen because you hung your enjoyment on the show in eventual canon buddie.

to be clear? If buddie doesn’t happen, imo this isn’t a sherlock situation; ie., I don’t think it’s queerbaiting. johnlock was actively teased a really gross number of times through the whole show, with people constantly making jokes that john and sherlock were lovers, and the actors and showrunners either never engaged with or actively shut down the idea of johnlock when it became clear it wasn’t going to happen, while simultaneously still playing up the queer shit. w/ 911, it’s fun to imagine and to speculate that eddie and buck could end up together. but it’s also entirely possible that they just have a very deep, emotion-led platonic friendship. those exist. if I had a child, I would probably will custody to my best friend, because we have a (textual) buck-and-eddie style relationship. any references to them being a couple aren’t derogatory or jokes—they’re fun and light hearted or blink and you miss it. johnlock and buddie are not the same, and if buddie isn’t canon it won’t be queerbaiting unless they go way hard on it this season.

however. as an aforemention tjlc veteran. take care of yourselves. read less into every interaction between them, into every bts, into every goddamn costume and scene and character name or whatever else I keep seeing. have fun with the show. if you’re speculating just for fun?? keep doing it!! but if you think about buddie not going canon and either feel deeply disappointed, invalidated, or betrayed? step back. reevaluate. don’t risk hating this show because you loved one potential facet too much. there’s not much worse in fandom than that.

Love bobby! Love hen! Love chim and maddie! Love buck and eddie’s undeniable love for each other, without hanging that love for them on them ending up together.

Sincerely, your resident fandom old.

(also? if anyone reads this whole thing and doesn’t hate me pls tell me good buddie/911 fics I love them)

[figmentof]

okay i have to say it

the TJLC levels that the KE fandom is slowly reaching with the belief that this mysterious “9th episode” exists is unhealthy. a showrunner that blatantly disregards their lgbtq+ audience and purposely makes fun of the fandom’s pain on social media with a drinking game with their writers, is not a showrunner that would give you an extra episode to “fix” things. a showrunner that purposely retcons all of what happened during s3 in s4 and framed s4 entirely as a lead in to Carolyn’s prequel series wouldn’t ever undo the hurt they caused with some sudden twist. why would you ever give yourself hope that they’d somehow treat you well when they clearly haven’t the entire time?

i understand it’s tough that this happened. i do love both Eve and Villanelle but ultimately they aren’t my comfort characters the way they are for so many others, but you have to stop hurting yourselves with this false hope. what’s going to happen when the 9th episode doesn’t air this sunday (and i hate to break it to you, but it won’t, because there is no 9th episode)? what then?

[milfygerard]

god im sorry but realizing the real, insane ripple effect p*yton b*chd*ath had on this web will never stop being weird like. i thought he was So Cool as a like 15 year old id stalk his blog and read all his posts and niche articles and take them all at face value as correct and inherently gay. I didnt even question him until i stepped away from #discourse tumblr and he started being suuuper weird abt literal child finn wolfhard. I think he also thought drake was gay he was definitely transmisogynistic in a qay i did not recognize in 2017 he took IASIP WAYY too seriously he wrote a script or like had a concept where andrew garfield was like a reporter and dev patel owned a giant corporation and they fell in love while andrew garfield was trying to incestigate his comapny for like. crimes. no one ever mentions that it was such a bad idea that I still remember it. i would literally read the callout posts and not understand any of what was said so I didnt unfollow for like 3 years. i pretended to like a car seat headrest song even though it was 12 minutes long and boring bc I didnt wanna feel uncool bc obviously cool people like p*yton like csh. He was a gaylor and hated reputation. I found him from TJLC posting. I literally thought I was one of five people following him I cant believe other people saw these posts I literally have friends now who knew him at his pique popularity on here. he literally stalked someone. what the fuck