#tinky rants

[tinky-noctua]

The new TADC episode got me bawling but here are some takes I have

Jax face cracking after remembering that Kaufmo's funeral is happening that day might be an opening of Jax's inner feelings

And in this part where pomni imagines how the gang helps her succumb to emptiness Jax's hand is nowhere to be found (or maybe I don't see it) It probably shows her disdain towards him and how she barely considers him as a friend Idk im still crying over gummigoo

[gooey-machinary]

GANG OUR AG FINALS PRESENTATION IS ABOUT BEES I'M SO HAPPY I LOVE BEES SO MUCH ACTUALLY

GWJABDKN

bees are actually so interesting- they cannot fly at night- LIKE THE PHYSICALLY CANNOT. Also queen bees don't control the hive I'm like 97% sure of this one- UH bees choose to stay with the beekeepers! And beekeepers have either the highest or one of the highest life expectancy jobs and if anything it raises your life expectancy because being around the vibrations of the bees I think stimulates the healing process of the human body! BEES CAN ALSO GET DRUNK FROM FERMENTED HONEY AND DRUNK BEES ARE NOT ALLOWED IN THE HIVE HEHEAHAH

[tinky-noctua]

This will be my on and off mission

“Is it okay if I draw fanart of your fanfic?👉🏼👈🏼”

My brother in Christ we shall have a spring wedding

[ender-of-the-sender]

I was thinking about how in The Summoning, the Lords say "Gamble it on the roll of a dice"

And then i started thinking that there are 6 Lords in Black if you count Webby, so you could make a 6 sided die, each side symbolising each of the Lords, and gamble away your soul or something

So I did. Personally, I think its really cool

(Check rbs for close ups)

[ricky-mortis]

Have some Ted doodles- as a treat.

[my-true-love-insanity]

Can we just talk about the characters the LiB have 'claimed', for lack of a better term, or force to do their bidding.

To clarify:

Pokey has Paul

Wiggly has Wiley

Tinky has Ted

Blinky has Bill

Nibbly has Linda

WHY IS NIBBLY THE ONKY ONE WITHOUT ALLITERATION?!?1?/

Like come onnnnn dude! I love Nibbly and Linda, but why'd they have to break the pattern??

I get that Linda fits the story well, but I like the pattern. So HC to fix it?

I say yes. Linda is actually her middle name, and she hates it as that's what her father calls her, along with 'Piggy' due to her nose. Her first name is Nichelle, because her parents wanted her to stand out but no-one can pronounce it properly or try to shorten it, so she just got annoyed and now goes by her middle name.

Although Blinky may not follow the pattern either, as in Watcher World, he seems to be far more interested in Alice, and she kills the mascot at the park, however I have seen more fanart of Bill!Blinky and their general association.

But it seems to have been the intention to give each LiB a human that embodies their trait, and Linda fits Nibbly to a T, being so hungry for the win, she sabotages all her competition. Tinky is the Time Bastard, and Ted meddles with time to get what he wants, like a bastard. Pokey claims Paul, possibly because he is the most resistant to him, knowing once Pokey gets Paul, everyone else would soon follow/would be easier to convert as they are less resistant. And Wiggly has Wiley, who is very happy to do Wiggly's bidding.

So does Blinky really think a middle aged man, who is going through a divorce and trying to reconnect with his teenage daughter but his friends just leaving him hanging the best thing to watch?

Although if that were a show or something, people would EAT THAT SHITT UPPPP

[tinky-noctua]

so real I get so used to people cutting me off by chiming in a separate topic, which technically shows that they weren't listening in the first place. or when they just nod but they're not listening at all worse thing is I don't know what way can help me understand that they don't wanna hear about the shit I spout, so like over time I just learn to observe how they listen to me and when their gaze wanders I just completely cut myself off or talk about another topic *they* are interested in

It makes me happy when they listen

[eclipsewarrior101]

A fun dark thought.

I know it is impossible but I just can’t stop thinking of Ted completely able to defeat Tinky by manipulating him into believing he cares about him. Getting him to drop his guard, pretending to be his friend and letting him believe he cares….then

Pulling a hans like “oh Tinky …If only there was some one who actually loved you”

Like imagine Tinky just looking devastated and hurt and he needs Ted help but then Ted turns on him. ( maybe he even finds a way to lock Tinky in his own box!!!!)

I want to see that so bad. Not because I hate Tinky. ( I love the goat man) ….but because of the drama and the thought of a god getting betrayed by the man who he harassed for years and locked away and him getting to feel as helpless as Ted did in the bastards box.

( I’m soooooorrrrrry. Okay I love angst. Sue me!!!!!)

Well….that was my evil rant for the night. Tell me your thoughts. In the comments.

[flutenby]

I love how aggressively curt cop moved the chairs

[fallinginaforrest]

"The Lords in Black, The Lord in Black call us."

Imma rant a little bit about my process under the cut, read it if you want:

Something I've come to learn in character centric pieces, is that the story and the engagement is in the expression. If your character is in a really cool place, but are with this sort of noncommittal facial expression, the piece immediately becomes unengaging. The trio here have three distinct impressions:

-Pete is hesitant, scared.

-Steph is shocked, like she can't believe what's in front of her.

-Grace is intrigued, she wants to know more.

It sets a good precedent for who the characters are outside of this still.

Similarly, the Lords are all in poses that are displayed their own Choreography, except for wiggly, who is standing like he should be in the ensemble for High School Is Killing Me. He is set apart from them, their leader.

Also a fun detail is that each kid's eyes are lit up by the Lord that goads them to begin with.

Pete: Yellow, tinky, "A spankoffski! I'm going to have the whole set in my toybox"

Steph: Pink, Nibbly, "Stephanie Yum-yum"

Grace: Purple, Blinky, "we've been watching you Gracie, someone's been a little naughty"

Idk I just like putting intentional little bits in my art for people to appreciate.

[affo-gatto-gateau]

I love the nerd x LiBs aus where each nerd gets to become/be possessed by and whatnot by a lord, but also, I have a very different line up than most people have so I just wanna talk about it

And of course, no hate to other interpretations, I love them and you can pry Wiggly!Richie from my cold dead hands, but also I haven't seen anyone else with the same idea so I kind of want to share it

First up:

Blinky!Ruth

I think this one fits nicely (well, not nicely, per se, but I'll get to that) with her role in canon. She's always the watcher. She does the tech, and watches on high from her booth, never actually appearing in the show, just influencing it from the outside. She tries hard to be a part of it, but she just can't due to her debilitating anxiety. And wouldn't it just be heartbreaking if she found out one day that her aspirations had just evaporated? That she doesn't want the spotlight anymore?

Pokey!Grace

Grace is the one to take control. When Pete gets hurt, she's the one to make plans to get back at Max. When he dies, she is the one orchestrating the coverup. She expects everyone to follow her, to sing to her tune, and anything even suggesting they might have fallen out of line she takes harshly. But Pokey's not the cleverest, and Grace's plans don't really work out. She knows what she wants, but well-thought-out plans are not her forte.

But that brings me to:

Wiggly!Steph

Because Steph knows people. Her dad is mayor, she knows politics. She's the one that takes charge when Grace's plans fail, and the one that bargains with Wiggly in canon. Steph knows how to use her power to get her way, and I think with a little eldritch motivation, she could be a great vessel for Wiggly

Alright, now the two I have the shakier justifications for (but c'mon, all of this is really an elaborate way of me saying that I just think it would be neat)

Nibbly!Pete

As much as I know Tinky would like a Spankoffski, Pete just doesn't have the same energy as Tinky. He's a lot more muted, less manic. Plus, you can tie Nibbly into Pete's need to keep his blood sugar high. He needs to feast, goddammit!

Tinky!Richie

You know who I think can match Tinky's energy? Richie. He's a math nerd who would go on hour-long rants about his favourite characters. And you know he unironically dressed like Tinky's human form in middle school (he thought it looked cool)

Anyway, those are just my thoughts.

<3

[tinky-noctua]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO MY POOKIE LALABS!!!!!

[starcanwrecked-confessions]

Vaguely inspired by the convo about racial biases with Jason but sort of going in detail a bit more, and also I'm making an excuse to rant about Bill.

This fandom does have a continual habit of ignoring/sidelining black characters I feel, and this does in part come down to Starkid itself having few main black roles (which is why I'm so excited for Cinderella's Castle) and being proportionally predominantly white, but even when there are main black characters I just feel like they get ignored a lot more, or at least sidelined within fanon in favor of white characters.

Like Bill, for example, isn't unpopular at all. I think everyone loves Bill I've never seen hate for him but I also never see anyone... talk about him. Not in detail. I never see Bill analyses, or people talk in depth about his role in TGWDLM or Watcher World, or people talk about him period outside of just "I like Bill, he's cool". And I feel like that isn't fair! I love Bill so much! Like, for example, you see people analyze Paul and his relationship to Pokey, you see people analyze Ted and Tinky, but Bill and Blinky are just... never mentioned. Not to the same extent.

And I'm not trying to get on a soapbox here saying people are being intentionally racist, but it makes me sad to see characters like Bill be sidelined because I think he's really interesting. Hopefully when(if?) Bottle Imps comes out, we'll get to see more of him.

I was just ranting about Bill but this all applies to Frank too, honestly. I don't like Frank as much as I like Bill but I definitely feel like if he was white he'd be a lot more popular. Is that a hot take? I don't know. This isn't a Starkid special this is like- every single fandom ever but I think it's important to point out.

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[squoingycritter]

the npmd costuming is awesome pt 2 (the lords in black!!)

ok ranting about the lords in black costuming (in no particular order)

pokey- absolute SLAY. the feathery collar, reminiscent of a feather boa, the shimmery/sparkly jacket, the beret with the little tuft on the top- AND THE MASK. oh my god do i love his mask. like it’s obviously meant to be the face on the pokey doll but it also resembles the comedy/drama masks?? and it looks for like the drama one which is *chefs kiss*. also not about the costuming but when he said “what do you want steph?” I ACTUALLY STARTED SCREAMING THIS SHOW IS SO GOOD

blinky- obviously there’s the hoodie with little patch of magenta fur which i adore. but the sunglasses!! the way they both cover AND accentuate the eyes??? it is a look and blinky is serving.

nibbly- how i be looking with he/him in my bio. lmao but honestly i just really like how they used the visor and lipstick to draw focus to the mouth, cause obviously you can’t make someone into a giant mouth (probably). and of course the giant lollipop also make you think of a mouth

tinky- tbh i don’t have too much to say about tinky. i like the fur and the hairstyle, very goat-like. the goggles also make me think of horns, but idk if that was intentional

wiggly- oh. my. god. june saito (the costume designer) ABSOLUTELY understood the assignment. the wiggly backpack? the hair?? the spots on the jacket that are based off of the spots on doll wiggly’s face??? ofc we gotta talk about the crown too- even in human form wiggly can’t help but remind us who’s in charge. also once again not sure if this was intentional but something about max thinking he’s basically god and he’s wearing his letterman jacket all the time… and then human wiggly wearing a letterman jacket… idk there’s just something about it

also i know many people have talked about this but i ADORE how the lords in black are very neon and campy compared to the other characters. it’s a very jarring experience /pos. it also reminds me of like frogs or bugs being bright colors to signal that they’re poisonous. overall the costumes slayed and i love them sm

[nobodysdaydreams]

And… even MORE Hatchetverse Theory on the history between Webby and her brothers

Based on my earlier poll about the potential history between Webby and her brothers. I'll go through each option and discuss the merits of each theory as well as they ways they could be combined.

The rest of my posts are under "#hatchetverse theory". Read below for an unhinged rant.

Before I dive into the possibilities for what history could exist between the brothers and Webby, I first want to review what little we know about their relationship and why I focus so much on Webby and Wiggly's relationships specifically as opposed to Webby and the other LIB:

We don't know their birth order, but based on the fact Wiggly acts as the leader of the LIB with little resistance from his brothers and Webby's verse in "the web I spin for you" where she talks about her brothers teaching her, currently the most common head canon seems to be that Wiggly is the oldest and Webby is the youngest (I also head canon that the reason Wiggly uses "baby talk" is because that's how he talked to his newborn siblings, and he never grew out of it because he enjoys infantilizing anyone and everyone).

The LIB all seem to want humanity to suffer for different reasons, but out of all of them, Wiggly seems to have the most interesting motivation. Blinky and Nibbly's motivations seems to be the most straightforward: Blinky likes to watch people suffer; Nibbly is hungry. Pokey just wants to put on a one man show and get rid of everyone else that's not him (he's basically an insane version of Hidgens with absolute power), and Tinky just seems to like messing around with time and specifically has it in for the Spankoffskis, but it's unclear exactly why. Wiggly however doesn't just seem to enjoy suffering and chaos just for the sake of his own pleasure. He has Wilbur give a whole speech in Black Friday about capitalism and consumer culture, and none of the other LIB have seemed interested in monologuing about the sins of humanity thus far. Granted, I still have to catch up on Nightmare Time (I know, I'm awful), but I didn't read anything about Nibbly bothering to give a speech about gluttony right before he eats someone.

Additionally, Wiggly is also the one who demands the the teens in NPMD give up what they love the most. Nibbly just wants a snack. The LIB's song also says "Nibbly wants his sacrifice and Wiggly wants his wrath". Wrath? Revenge? Revenge for what? And why just Wiggly, why not all the LIB? It really sounds like Wiggly is the one who is primarily trying to gain something here. Wiggly's brothers seem to be following him because they get what they want, but Wiggly seems to be the driving force here.

Now the question becomes: what does Wiggly want revenge for, and why? Well, several people have pointed out that despite Webby being called a "queen", the LIB are called "lords" (though Wiggly insists on wearing a plastic child's dress up crown to make himself look like a king). There's also a line in the summoning where the LIB sing "we dance around the pentagram and take all out kingdoms back". It's possible Webby took their kingdoms from them, or that they betrayed her to take power if they believed the way she was running things wasn't to their liking, but again, this is unclear.

What does seem more clear is that Wiggly does have a personal grudge against Webby and that the feeling is mutual. He calls her a "stupid b*tch" in Black Friday, whereas Pokey in Nightmare Time only calls her his sister, and I don't think any of the other LIB had demonstrated that level of hatred towards her yet. During the song "The Web I Spin for You", it is clear by the dolls shown in the shots that Webby is singing about her brothers, but the camera focuses in on Wiggly last and holds on him the longest.

So then the question becomes: what happened between Wiggly and Webby? Who betrayed who? Did they both betray each other? What seems the most likely based on what little we know so far?

Let's dive into those poll options.

The first option on the poll was that the Lords in Black used to be good, but turned evil. I was surprised at how few votes this option got given some of the evidence presented in NPMD and "The Web I Spin for You" song that Webby sings in Nightmare Time. I'll spend some time reviewing the evidence for this, since it seems to be the least popular option and some of the evidence for this option could also apply to the others.

There are lines in the song that imply the LIB used to care about Webby, to some degree. It's unclear whether this means they were actually "good guys", but it seems like they either cared about Webby or Webby at least believed they cared about her at some point, most notably when she sings: "You used to keep me at your side, have you given it up?" and "Weren’t you the one to watch my back, unlike the witches you summon?" (which could be referring to Willabella Muckwab, the first witch of Hatchetfield who seems to have started this whole mess).

Webby seems frustrated with her brothers, but doesn't seem to hate them, at least not as viscerally as Wiggly hates her (again, he's the one who seems the most angry at her).

But it doesn't stop there. There's a few other lines in "The Web I Spin For You" that are even more concerning:

The lines I'm referring to are: "Why do you haunt me like a ghost? You’re supposed to love me the most." And "Got me in the spell you cast. The iris of your eye is black. You have a tendency to stab my back. Just like the witches you summon."

The backstabbing line implies that they betrayed her, not the other way around. But the lines chosen to convey this are particularly concerning when you consider two things: 1) the plot to NPMD and 2) the pictures of the black book and the black blade I found on the Starkid Wiki page (posted below).

There seem to be numbers marking the positioning of the knife, numbers which appear on other pages from the book on the Starkid Wiki page, but you can look at that yourself. Now, what IS interesting here is the picture. Five people in black robes, one holding a knife, his point taller than the rest like the book illustrates, and the knife is positioned in such a way that it could quite literally stab the woman in white in the back, just like Webby's song says.

Other interesting notes about the picture are that the hair of the woman is red (could still be Webby, maybe her hair changed color, or Miss. Holloway, more on her later), and it's possible the woman is wearing the baseball cap Hannah wore in Black Friday (or it could be a fold of the guy's robe, it's hard to see in the photo).

But back to my main point: why would the other LIB be stabbing Webby in the back, or as the song says "have her in the spell they cast?"

Well, I see two reasons. One is more visual, the other much darker.

The first is that the LIB sing about "dancing around a pentagram". In the black book picture, Webby, or whoever the woman in white is, seems to be placed in the middle of the pentagram.

So that's the visual reason: Webby is in the middle of the "Spells they cast" because that's physically where she's located.

Now for the darker reason, one some of you have probably already guessed, because I referred the Summoning in NPMD. You know, the part where Wiggly demands they kids give up the thing they love most for power?

Well. Remember the "Why do you haunt me like a ghost? You’re supposed to love me the most." line from the web I spin for you?

It's possible that if Webby was at one point what the LIB loved most, they could have sacrificed her to gain some sort of power.

It could also explain why Wiggly hates her so much. Maybe he also hates himself. Or hates Webby for making him feel like he had to do that. Or at least try to do that, still unclear if he attempted this, or what succeeding would even mean since Webby and the LIB seem to be immortal.

Now the evidence against this theory seems to be the fact that if Wiggly was really the one to sacrifice (or attempt to sacrifice) Webby (for the sake of, apparently, summoning witches for unknown reasons), why would he act like he's the one who needs revenge and be so angry at Webby when he betrayed her? Well, it's possible that he believes she betrayed him first, or that betraying her corrupted the LIB, similar to what happened to Grace in NPMD (but more on that in another post).

Now for the second option: that Webby used to be evil. The evidence for this is fairly straightforward, which is probably why it's the most popular poll option:

Wiggly wants revenge and hates Webby, her betraying her brothers and turning good lines up with this

The LIB have never acted benevolently or shown any genuine concern for others, whereas Webby has done semi-morally questionable things (she kills the witch Willabella Muckwab in nightmare time because she tried to hurt Hannah, but Willabella Muckwab was a bad guy who'd been dead for centuries so make of that what you will)

Webby sings about the LIB teaching her, but her becoming disillusioned and turning against them, her developing a love for humanity also lines up with this

It's still possible that the LIB attempted to sacrifice Webby as discussed above, her turning good was possibly the catalyst for this course of action

The main source of evidence against this theory is we don't know what would have caused Webby to turn good. She seems to care about children (more on that later) and not like what her brothers do with the witches they create (and then there's the mess of how Miss. Holloway fits into all this), but beyond that, it's unclear, but still one of the most plausible theories in my opinion and the fandom seems to agree with me on this one.

The next two poll options: Webby and the LIB were always on their respective sides of the Black and White, but used to be closer, or they selected opposite sides of the Black and White and that drove them apart.

Both of these seem to line up with the evidence presented thus far. The first option would explain why Wiggly and Webby feel betrayed by each other without having to change much about their characters. The second option makes sense in that it explains their conflict.

The main way these two options differ is whether Webby and the LIB were "always this way" or whether they ever had a choice. Both seem compelling, especially when you consider Wiggly's (via Wilbur) whole humanity hating Black Friday speech and Webby's care for Hannah and complicated feelings towards her brothers. If the siblings were always like this, is their room for them to change? If they chose the sides they did, why did they do so and can they change back?

The last two poll options (not counting the "other"): The sides of the Black and White Webby and her brothers are one were chosen for them or that this is somehow their parent's fault.

I put these two together because the issues with the "sides of the Black and White" being chosen for them option is: who is doing the choosing? The mostly likely possibility for this seems to be their parent (maybe parents?)

The LIB call themselves the "spawn of the Black and White", so for now let's call their parents "the Black and White". They seem to have parents, at least according to the Starkid wikipages, which state that "The Lords in Black were spawned from the same deed of evil. Their father was a giant chaos entity," and the credit of this comes from an interview with the characters' creator. I personally don't know how to verify this, so let's say it's true. What was this "deed of evil?" How is Webby their sister, was she spawn from this too? Will we ever meet their parents?

Overall, I'd say these options are possible, but given that we don't know much about their parents or the nature of the Black and White, it's hard to draw a solid conclusion.

Finally, some other unknowns about Webby and her brothers that I find interesting:

The "Starry Children" Stuff and Webby and the LIB's relationship with Children:

The LIB's followers call themselves the Church of the Starry Children, and as I pointed out before, the symbol of the LIB seems to be a star, with the LIB in the triangles and Webby in the middle, at least according to the illustrations. What's unclear is who the starry children are. Is this the name of the followers of the LIB OR is it Webby and the LIB themselves? The show might have already said this at some point and I missed it, but Webby and her brother often act very childish and playful (although often in ominous ways). This plus the fact that they apparently have parents could point to them being literal children.

Wiggly and Webby seem to have opposite relationships with children. Wiggly's Black Friday spell doesn't work on kids. Willabella Muckwab is said to have written the black book with the blood of innocents kids (again, based on the wiki page). Webby on the other hand seems to have a closer relationship with children (most clearly shown in her relationship with Hannah). You can argue that Wiggly does interact with children in NPMD, but they're technically teenagers, and as Grace says repeatedly throughout the show "they're only 18."

The Relationship Webby and the LIB have with Witches:

"The Web I Spin for You" implies Webby's brothers keep summoning witches that try to hurt her and "The Witch in the Web" implies that Webby keeps "spinning webs" to capture and stop these witches from hurting others. This lines up with everything we know about Willabella and most of the other witches and followers of the LIB.

Where this pattern seems to break is Wilbur Cross and Miss. Holloway. How is Miss. Holloway able to use the black book without being in debt to the LIB? Does she serve Webby like Wilbur serves Wiggly? Miss. Holloway also seems to care about children, again contrasting to the way Wilbur tries to hurt them. Does that mean anything? Why isn't Wilbur caught in Webby's trap like the others, and why does he keep coming back? Why do the LIB need Wilbur anyway? Why were Miss. Holloway and Wilbur chosen for these roles? Is it because Miss. Holloway encountered the White of the Black and White similar to how Wilbur encountered the Black? Or is it because the LIB and Webby just really liked their southern accents and were going for the "southern small town preacher" vibe?

I hope you like this rant. Thank you Starkid fandom!

[ender-of-the-sender]

CHAT HE'S THE MOTHERFUCKING

TIME JERKER

TRY TELLING ME THAT ISNT THE MOST TINKY DEVOTEE!TED NAME YOU HAVE EVER HEARD

IM NOT SAYING THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THERE

BUT I'M NOT NOT SAYING THERE DEFINITELY COULD BE SOMETHING THERE

Edit: I've just did some research on this guy and his real name is

TIM JERKOWSKY

They had to know. They fucking had to. This has Tinky written all over it. Alternate universe Ted?? Im sorry. i cant. i wont shut up what the actual fuck.