#this is. idk. had to get this out of my system i think

[shadow-genesis-yay]

I'm bored so I'll do this lol - Galaxy Steve 🌌

🎉 - Idk uhh a year maybe? We only figured out we were a system when our host at the time (Naeus), felt heavily 'connected' to a character, only to basically see them in their head (i guess?)

💯- 197. God help us. Only like 1? is created/brainmade, ig. the others either split off of another headmate, were a 'fusion' (not the system kind, source thingy) of some that later became their own alters instead of jjst when two specific headmates front and 'fuse' in front, and then like maybe 6 OCs. IDK whats considered created?

🧠- Wasnt intentional. Like 90% sure it was due to either trauma, loneliness, and the universe saying "hey i'd think itd be funny if they became a system" or smth

💭- Our headspace is like a mix of a airline plane interior (the seats), a train like one you can 'live' in, and a ship (specifically cruse) that has small lookin rooms that are actually very big on the inside. Feels almost like a hotel lol. And the front area feels like a control room that changes theme to fit whos 'in control'. We called our system at the time, the Ph4nt0m-F1ight-Voyager system, and the changin space was from our old system name, Fiction Trick System

🌅- No clue. Our first headmate is either gone, was our OC Eilian, or Naeus.

⚖️ - Closest to a power imbalance is just one mf who can destroy the universe in the blink of an eye, to haha possessed car (assuming this is what you mean)

🦄- I dunno. traumagenic? whatever loneliness would be?

🏇- We barely get irl shit done we are the most non functional system /ij

🧬- No clue. (can you tell i suck at this/suck at answering stuff that isnt yes or no/true or false?)

🎭- We switch, and do have different speech patterns and stuff, but mostly mask it. The only really noticable stuff for those outside of us, are different foods we liked/used to like, and dress style

🕯️- Eh, kinda neutral. Some stuff sucks as we get very down when blurry, or when too many people are fronting (even if they arent 'in control')

🗣️- Assuming i know what you mean, we insult the hell out of eachother in headspace or online.

📚- Uhhh none

🎨- I'm hyper and sometimes whats called ditzy, compared to alot of our more serious alters, formal, or 'childish' alters

🌈- Unsure. We only used Simply Plural in June of 2024, and most of us are hosts/get front stuck alot. I'd say Naeus and Entity tho, but now its mostly Entity, as Naeus had alotta traumatic stuff happend that almost made them go dormant (for us ig its just shuttin yourself in your room and never comin out tho)

🕵️- Alot of our system terms are existin ones. I think the only ones we 'coined', are Analyzers and Observers. Observers just observe headspace and can almost be like a gatekeeper. While analyzers are kinda like a defense mechanism thing. They analyze situations and deal with them.

😡- No, but we've had the classic 'omg *factive headmate*, whens *question we dont know*?" for our Youtuber alters like Sb737 and ClownPierce. Like chat you wish we knew when Friend or Foe was back

📋- Yep! Alot of our headmates are from the same source, and we have alot of different things that didnt happen 'in canon' (its pissed alot of ppl off. its funny) I, Galaxy, remember spending time, forgiving and making up with my family, compared to my source counterpart who hates some of their guts/is hated by family/was unintentionally abandoned.

🧑‍🧒- We have like 3 littles, with another one age regressor. They're all children from source or regress due to trauma they have from source.

📺- I dont think so? I forgot what an introject is, + alot of headmates who'd prob be considered introjects dont feel like they are

🍝- I dunno

🌠- Not really. We were already the 'weird kid' so if we talked to ourselves when younger, it wouldnt help

🧱- no idea

🛸- Kinda? One person we did tell but dont think they cared/remembered cus they dont really ask or anything

🧁- A bunch of queers who are either funny block game Minecraft, TRANSFORMERS ROLL OUT, sentient fuckin car, or "whats up guys, today were going to-" (youtubers). Oh and we insult eachother alot

Created plurality ask game

These questions are meant to be answerable by both created systems and mixed-origin created systems.

🎉 - How long have you been a system? How do you define when you became a system?

💯 - How many headmates do you have? Are they all created?

🧠 - Why did you create headmates/create a system? Was it intentional or not?

💭 - Do you have a headspace? What's it like? Did you build it?

🌅 - Who created the others? Who is the first created headmate?

⚖️ - Is there a power imbalance in your system, especially between created and non-created headmates? What's the nature of this imbalance?

🦄 - What's your specific origin? Do you have more than one?

🏇 - Are you currently working on any system skills? What are they?

🧬 - How developed are your created headmates? How do you define this?

🎭 - If you can switch, do you have different mannerisms or speech patterns between headmates? Was this always the case?

🕯️ - How has having a created system impacted your life? Has it been a positive experience or not?

🗣️ - How do you and your headmates communicate? If you are mixed-origin, do you experience interaction with created headmates differently than non-created headmates?

📚 - What methods did you use to develop your headmates? Is there anything that worked particularly well for you?

🎨 - How different are you and your headmates from each other? Has it always been this way?

🌈 - Who's the most common fronter? Has this changed in the past?

🕵️ - What sort of terminology does your system prefer? Do you have any terms you've created for personal use?

😡 - Have you experienced discrimination or bigotry for having created headmates? What happened?

📋 - Do you experience exomemories? Are any of them traumatic?

👨‍👦 - Do you have any littles? Is them being little influenced by your created plurality at all?

📺 - Are any of the created headmates introjects? What kind of introject?

🍝 - Would you say being created origin is important to how your system functions currently? What does this mean to you? Has this changed over time?

🌠 - Do you wish you were plural earlier in life? Mixed origin systems, do you wish your created headmates could have been there earlier?

🧱 - What barriers do you have in your system, such as memory or thought barriers? Did you make them? Did you want them?

🛸 - Does anyone IRL know you're a system?

🧁 - Give me a silly oversimplification of your system and who's in it.

[roi-des-aulnes]

OK, a little disorganised rant below but I had to get it out of my system :

I hated season 4. We had to suffer a whole year of messy plot lines, the characters pulled in too many directions and still doing fuck all because they keep having the same sentimental (and sometimes, frankly corny) conversation over and over again. And the side characters were disappointing. I saw the positive reactions to the Butcher, Noel and Oscar, and I understand. It was refreshing to have other human beings that were going to be more fleshed out than #Dead Body n°3 or # Mad Old Woman n°273849. But that didn't really happen in the end. The butcher felt like a caricature of a villain in a CW tv show, and don't get me started on his "redemption". The finale episodes were just. Bad. I was audibly sighing with annoyance during the big fight between John and Yellow which was way too cliché. The big Larson machine thing went nowhere, and I feel like the Kayne scene was just a lazy solution for getting rid of all the loose ends all at once because HG felt stuck at that point and didn't know how to end the arc.

Anyway. All of this just to say, I felt like season 5 was a good opportunity to shake things up by changing the setting, giving Jarthur completely new challenges, maybe it would let them explore that new aspect of their relationship they talked about in the first episode, idk. Instead we got a John recap episode, whatever the fuck Malam was, the useless Horig disease, the Agatha Christie medieval plot ... when Everard introduced Alia, Antoine and Vale, i remember thinking "why are we losing time on this, they'll most likely be dead and discarded soon".

What's worse is that it's getting more and more difficult to remember that John is more than a disembodied voice narrating whatever is happening. Occasionally he says "yes Arthur !" or "careful Arthur" but that's about it. OK then. I thought he wanted to stop feeling like a voice trapped in another man's body. Didn't they discuss it at length before ?

Oh and I don't care about Lillith. I've tried, but maybe it would have been easier to make her more interesting if her and Scratch were different characters? Idk. They beat Scratch once they can do it again + Arthur Just Doesn't Die so why should we care ? As far as I can see she's not a threat, just a nuisance.

And I'm not even gonna talk about the Faroe thing but that's yet another one of my main problems with this podcast lately. Basically, throughout the show I went from "aww no poor him he has a dead daughter :(" to "oh of course he's still grieving" and eventually to "OK can he maybe let her die for real actually ? Instead of waving her dead body around every time Arthur is inconvenienced so he can cry about it?"

What's maddening to me is that there is still potential. The sound design is great, I loved the eerie music in the forest episode. And I can see that HG has ideas, or pieces of ideas at least. There are characters that you want to get invested into. But I feel that the main character is getting less and less compatible with them, and so most of those ideas end up botched and lesser versions of what could have been.

[crazyness-overpowers]

“She’s my best friend’s kid.” Haymitch didn’t look up when Beetee stopped next to him, in a corner of the lobby of the Tribute Center, where all the mentors were, briefly, gathering.

They had discovered a few years ago that this corner was a spot with just enough feedback from the climate control system to mess with any recording devices. There was a way they checked, every year, to make sure it was the same, and he was already certain it would be fine. They never discussed anything sensitive, but chose the spot as their place to exchange limited pleasantries in low tones, reassured slightly by the tiny bit of privacy.

“I thought you didn’t have any friends.” Beetee’s reply wasn’t cold-hearted, it was a fact Haymitch had thrown at him year after year.

“I don’t. I pushed him away. Barely knew him by the time he died.”

“But…”

Haymitch should hate the way the older man could bait him into explaining himself. But he doesn’t have the energy. “But that’s still his kid, okay? And I like her, in spite of myself.”

“You’ve never been one to get attached to the tributes.” Again, a fact. Nothing rude meant by it.

“Things change.” He took a sip of his drink, just for something to do. “She reminds me of me. Just luckier, perhaps.”

“Oh?” Beetee’s face flashed for a second, and in that moment Haymitch knew Plutarch had shared the details of their conversation in 11 decades ago with Beetee.

Good.

“If she dies, I’m done.” Haymitch let the words hang in the air for a beat, knowing Beetee would understand him, exactly had he had with his previous statement.

“Haymitch, no.” Beetee’s response was firm, but sympathetic. And was not a real attempt to change his mind.

“He’ll see what it does to me, if she dies. And then the other girl will be back on the block a year from now.” Haymitch knew this conversation was pushing it in length, and he was already looking across the room to find someone else to greet next. “It’s for the best.”

“And if she wins?” Beetee asked, allowing the slightest hint of excitement to break through.

“Then I’m in.” Haymitch crossed the room and greeted Chaff with a hug, not turning back to look a Beetee.

If he had, he would have seen the small smile.

[fandsart]

GASP another opportunity to talk about system Raph?? Don't mind if I do

So I'd have to rewatch a bunch of episodes and the wiki doesn't list Mind Raph's episodes fsr, but from what I remember Mind Raph doesn't really disagree with Raph all that often. He's mostly a giver of advice and Raph generally listens to him. I assume this anon is attributing the alter from the Pizza Puffs episode to Mind Ralph but I'm pretty sure this is a separate one entirely. I also don't think that this is the only time we see him.

I'm going to be referring to these two as Raph A and Raph B for the sake of simplicity, with Raph A being the one to display his protective nature through nurturing and with Raph B displaying it in a sort of tough love approach in hoping he can help his brothers be prepared for something in the case the system can't be present.

This ties in really interestingly both with savage Raph and with Mind Raph grasping the mind melding ability before it's something that's even presented as something that they can do, being able to slide under the radar as "this is the advice you already know Raph would give you, it's just manifesting in your mind." Not only is it common for alters to be more skilled in some areas than other alters, it's totally expected, especially when a skill is necessary for safety reasons. In this case, his ability to help his brothers from a distance. Interesting how Mind Ralph is more present and kind of stretched thin in the Hidden City episode than usual, when Raph goes on a solo adventure. Interesting his Red Angel of Preventing Harm persona is one that we only ever see him put on during a solo stake out. I imagine he's co-con in those moments

You know, situations where he's not "alone" and/or "lost" entirely, but is without his family and could use someone to lean on a little bit

Ok, back to Raph A and B. I think Raph A probably fronts more often, but I do think we get a decent of screen time for both of them. It's debatable whether they can be considered co-hosts? I've heard co-hosting be explained as alters who host exactly the same amount, but I have to imagine that's an exaggeration. Idk, I have autism

I don't think these are the same Raphs

And to be clear, I don't believe one to be "The angry one" and the other to be "The sweet one." They're both angry in these scenes, and justifiably. I'm using these scenes in particular to address the way they've both dealt with similar conflicts. One of them is just more afraid to hurt the subject of his anger. It's important to note that the subject of his anger is different between these scenes and that's going to change some things. Leo's often intentionally annoying and isn't as sensitive as Donnie, but also, he's not consistent about this with Donnie either.

"if you don't cut it out with your middle child nonsense-"

I had my system friend proof read this and they felt it was important to insert this here: A lot of people these days are aware that alters develop for specific purposes, their role, and it might immediately strike someone as hypocritical if "Raph B" is afraid of the others not being able to defend themselves and that's where his anger stems from, for him to get angry at them in circumstances unrelated. Where his anger does not stem from something related to their safety.

A lot of media has gotten better at portraying DID, but a common thing I see them do is present the roles that the alters play out as incredibly conscious. Living exclusively for the sake of their role, while really, part of DID being a covert disorder is that they will develop a personality that makes that role possible. The personality might have been built off a certain need, but it will be more encompassing.

If his goal is to help prepare his brothers to be able to protect themselves, which would be motivated by fear, if that leaves him expressing his anger more often, that will simply be a pattern of behavior, and will impact the rest of his personality. He may fear holding back, that they might not be prepared for someone bigger than they are to not hold back in the future. Wants them to know how to handle that if the time comes. That isn't going to present consciously any more than it would a singlet with the same fears. The same way he's easily read in the movie.

Also I really don't want people to think that just because he may be afraid of coddling them does not mean you can expect to narrow his scenes down based on whether he is visibly angry or not. You pointed out he was angry in the scene where he called Donnie, but I do think it's important to stress that if he's not expressing anger at them, it doesn't necessarily indicate that this isn't Raph B, if we're operating under these distinctions.

I think that while I refer to them as cohosting, Raph B is probably fronting close to a third of the time at the start of the show, and by the end of the show is around close to half the time.

Then Leo becomes leader and by the time of the movie, Raph B is hosting often enough to fully be considered "the host" and not "one of the hosts." I heard someone say that it didn't make sense for Raph to suddenly break free from the Kraang when he did, but that it works narratively so they weren't going to critique it or something like that. But under this understanding, Leo may have drawn forward Raph A, the Raph that is afraid of them getting hurt, of his own anger hurting them. As opposed to the Raph who had been afraid they would never learn to protect themselves. The one who wanted to push them to be better, who I'm sure wasn't exactly thrilled to be attacking them, but who might not have been as equipped to fight these impulses the kraang were feeding him, since he never learned to fight his own, since his role was to embrace that.

Now I do want to say that I'm not going to say anyone is wrong for not adopting my interpretation that there are two (as Mind Raph once put it) "Real Raphs" (don't actually think about alters like this ftr) I understand that can be hard to contend with and while I have provided a level of evidence, there's a strong wall of plausible deniability that keeps me from claiming that it's basically canon (though I will argue that his plurality is basically canon). But I think that plausible deniability adds to this as a headcanon. I mean, talking to my system friend about it and how easily dismissive people are of obvious symptoms, how prone people are to falling on plausible deniability, to the point of not even stopping to think about it

It's possible that after the incident with Shredder, Raph became less coddling, since the second instance I've scrounged up of him being mad at Donnie happened significantly later in the series than either of the first two, and it's possible that he allowed himself to be more mad at Leo because he was being intentionally annoying. And that's all the plausible deniability for if we're actively thinking about it. Sometimes people are just kind of contradictory or hypocritical, we don't tend to linger on it too much. He just has a lot of inner conflict, he just has a bad memory (as stated by Donnie in Clothes Don't Make the Turtle), he's just indecisive (as established in Down with the Sickness), he just talks in third person sometimes, he just occasionally goes into past tense narration in his head. It's very easy to not think about these things, because individually, they aren't that notable. Just character quirks. That's part of DID being what's referred to as a "covert disorder"

Raph from ROTTMNT is canonically plural.

In the episode “Man vs Sewer” his is shown to have a trigger related to being alone. When he is left alone in the episode he becomes “Savage”. He cannot recognize his brothers until the main Raph is triggered into front.

In another episode he speaks to “Mind Raph”. They are shown to have different personalities and constantly argue over how to help their brothers.

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[onnahu]

Just realised how fucking cool would be a book centered around Liu Qingge in the 5 years of SQQ's death.

We start with no context, Liu Qingge attacking the Huan Hua palace, dueling Binghe. Throughout the next chapters we learn about Cang Qiong, Liu Mingyan, and the reason for Qingge's attacks. Shen Qingqiu is dead and haunts the narrative. Bc it's a completly original novel, we have no idea that sqq will come back, and bc it's through lqg's pov there's a big bias against lio binghe - lqg thinks the worst about him and is scared of what he does with sqq's corpse. God readers would hate Binghe so much.

And then, deep into the plot, sqq is back. And he is nothing like lqg presented him. Lqg is an unreliable narrator idealising sqq. When we meet SQQ first time alive on screen (or at least when lqg recognises him), sqq barely spares any attention to lqg. He goes with binghe with no fight, and we're left in confusion.

I just think SQQ is a great character to be haunting the narrative, and looking at everything from lqg's perspective, he would be characterised so differently and would propably be pretty hated by fandom.

[feeelslikespace]

superknux or smth right??

[cordiallyfuturedwight]

WOOYOUNG's 'sagittarius' (for @cosmicdreamgrl ☾)

[tealvenetianmask]

I've been noticing four kinds of takes on Stolas and privilege:

The correct one: Stolas has privilege because of the status he has in society. He can walk right into a club that's always booked way in advance without a reservation. He's never had to worry about money or his physical safety and doesn't know what that's like. He can get a one on one meeting with the King of Lust and ask for a rare and powerful item to give to his man. He was raised to take his privilege for granted. This does not mean he hasn't suffered or hasn't been made to feel small or weak by other people. It also does not mean that Blitz can't hurt him. He ALSO LACKS PRIVILEGE as a queer neurodivergent man forced to conform to a traditional role. These things are not contradictory. I repeat. Both can be true, and THEY ARE. That's what intersectionality is. He's a good person, and he's gradually becoming more aware of his own privilege, starting with his relationship with Blitz.

Well meaning/maybe a bit uninformed: Stolas can't have privilege because he's a victim of domestic and familial abuse.

Shit: Stolas has privilege and isn't aware of it, and that means he's a bad person.

Even shitter, like, are we even watching the same show? Stolas is maliciously using his privilege to abuse Blitz.

[feralforbeanix]

Man I love subtle characterization and representation

[ganondoodle]

(Original art) Xaror, any pronouns, species (?), age (?)

short summary about them; they act as both an antagonist and an ally since they are only really interested in what they want or whats fun to them, they are immortal and call themselves 'death itself' since they have a special connection to souls (being the only one able to communicate with them) and the ability to seperate souls from their bodies in such a way that nothing can harm the soul afterwards their main goal is to .. bother and disturb the 'celestials'*, which they hate, as much as they can, breaking into their palace, freeing prisoners, destroying research, destroying the place, and most importantly, making as many souls unusable to them as possible-

they dont want to destroy the celestials though, they cant fight them anyway and this game of doing 'good' only with the goal of annoying them is their most treasured activity, so Xaror doesnt intend to stop them from killing or hurting anyone, only from harvesting what they are actually after (though Xaror doesnt actually care as little as they think they do about people, and has a soft spot for demons)

most of their appearance is later into the story; Zaphira (the empress) had been in coma and the medical facility she was treated in was destroyed by Shargon (orange eyed demon who acts as her bodyguard for the first part) in an attempt to save her from her estranged relatives taking over her country after they heard of her decline in health, she is believed dead but washes up on the shore of the mountain Xaror resides at years later (it has a reason, too much to write here) and they slowly nurse her back to health, the reason they give for it is that they found their first encounter very fun, thats all (is it?)

(more lore under the cut bc this is already so long .. im trying to keep it short q-q ......... this is stuff i have been working on since i was a kid so uh, some things might be cheesy but i cant change them anymore ..)

just to get some basics out of the way; theres three worlds, the celestials palace, human world and demon world, each are their own planet connected via different gateways

*celestials (possibly not final name, loosely based on angels) are the last remaining "survivors" of their planets demise, when their world died the most powerful among them cannibalized the weaker to sustain themselves until there were only less than 10 left, who each turned into different beings from it and dont resemble their own people much anymore, they built a palace from what was left on their world that protects them from space as its atmosphere collapsed shortly after- however they still needed something to live off; they discover the human world and are delighted to find rather short lived people with powerful souls, the best kind of sustenance for them (now), they aim to herd them like cattle, but a problem arose when it turned out another world has long been in contact with the human world; demons

demons are semi immortal creatures that act as protectors for their world, protection they extended, more or less secretely, to the human world ensuring them a long and secure life- the celestials need them to die at their whim though (demons are few in numbers, hard to kill and rarely have offspring, not an ideal target); as they worked out a plan on how to get rid of demons one of the celestials, Xanthriel (time) grew somewhat fond of people as they spent alot of time in the human world to observe and research them; in the end turning on their own completely, but losing the fight against Uriel (knowledge)

Xanthriel was supposed to be executed for their betrayal, but it doesnt work, instead they are splintered into many parts after a lot of struggle, most body, memory and most strength is one part (ending up as motionless forever bleeding corpse kept locked up in the palace), the rest is some time later gathered together and reforms as a seperate, weak mockery of them, they embody Xanthriels emotion- Xaror, without memory, strangely cut to pieces (hence all the missing limbs and broken halo) but driven by an unstoppable desire to disturb the celestials (they live seperate long enough to each become their own person, at some point Xaror discovers Xanthriels body after all and they merge back together, though as they are now two, Xanthriel only takes over once directly after merging, stays silent for a long time and lets Xaror be themselves, only later revealing that they are there at all .. hiding perhaps- i rarely have specific ideas for voices, but Xanthriels is like, like coarse rocks being violently rubbed against each other, less voice more noise)

(also, the celestials use Xanthriels blood from the day of their execution to create a plague that nearly wipes out all demons, only the youngest of them survived, effectively robbing them of everything, culture, history, knowledge etc- as demons rarely have children, like a complete restart of their society, they disappeared from the human world, and over time being largely forgotten as actually existing- the celestials wanted them all gone however, so they kept kidnapping them to try and find somethign that would work similarly against the young ones too (and then in general, bc the only usable blood of Xanthriel was from the day of their fall, and that has long since been used up) one of the young ones was Shargon, he was the only one still alive from his group

(also, the celestials use Xanthriels blood from the day of their execution to create a plague that nearly wipes out all demons, only the youngest of them survived, effectively robbing them of everything, culture, history, knowledge etc- as demons rarely have children, like a complete restart of their society, they disappeared from the human world, and over time being largely forgotten as actually existing- the celestials wanted them all gone however, so they kept kidnapping them to try and find somethign that would work similarly against the young ones too (and then in general, bc the only usable blood of Xanthriel was from the day of their fall, and that has long since been used up) one of the young ones was Shargon, he was the only one still alive from his group (he wasnt the strongest or special, he was jsut the last in the row and always got the lowest dosage) when Xaror found them in yet another break in into the palace and got him back to the demon world .. where he was promptly blamed for the others that were taken and treated like a pretender/fake/spy bc what he got put through changed his eye color (something that demons cannot change in any form) to one that does not exist among 'real' demons (orange ... notice the inner color of Xarors broken halo? :) ), some even suggesting killing him, but none of them were brave enough to do it (they were all kids still) .. except Eadrya (the big blue-ish one, largely regarded as the strongest demon alive) but Shargon managed to escape, and since then lived largely in isolation- this is part of why he is so hated, and why he starts to spend so much time in the human world after rediscovering the pathway there)

[luck-of-the-drawings]

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saw alot of comments on prev pages; saying 'i HATE that mean teacher! im gonna FIGHT HIM!!' & i LOVE the energy!! it WOULD be nice. to have that catharsis. but the story of young tidestrider is Not one of catharsis. it is a story of being so small and so special and sucking so bad.

[alongtidesoflight]

i swear my stepdad is so illogical AND stubborn it hurts

[kuijoon]

sampo lore drop in 2.4 was kinda crazy (i’m losing it please give me sampo lore hyv)

[squishosaur]

hey man. i'm just saying. why would we put inexperienced teenagers with over-inflated egos and obvious emotional issues into combat classes and make them claw their way to the top of their dorms and expect things to just run smoothly. who actually thought this

[thatdelusionalnerd]

It kills me that Aziracrow is just miscommunication at its finest. Both Crowley and Aziraphale wanted to get together, and both at different ideas of how to do it but none of them were willing to work out a compromise.

When Aziraphale said his lines, it seemed as though he preferred the idea of Crowley over Crowley himself.

But he doesn’t! He obviously doesn’t dislike the demonic part of Crowley, as seen throughout the entire show.

But Crowley didn’t realise this. He thought Aziraphale was saying that he’d only be acceptable once he’s an angel. He wanted to hear Aziraphale say that it’s okay that he’s a demon.

And that’s exactly where shit got messed up. Because then after this, Crowley kissed Aziraphale, to which he responds “I forgive you”

as though Aziraphale is forgiving Crowley, a demon, for kissing an angel.

And then after this, both of them part ways and they 'stop talking to each other'

[waspgrave]

Unfortunately woke up deciding I am going to write the most needlessly elaborate relationship between Ashur and Oriana after weeks of mulling, contemplation