#this is talking about c!tommy AND cc!tommy

[yuttikkele]

shoutout to tommyinnit. I will be comparing characters from other fandoms to you for the rest of my days.

[yourfavinthebasement]

C!TOMMY and C!PURPLED are locked in the basement together

[airrec]

Let's talk about the relationship between "personal level redemption (i.e. one character starts making changes for the better)" and "the corrupt institution/context in which the characters are developed to hurt each other".

Now, one or two characters reaching the point where they say "that's it, no more, I don't want this, this is not right, I am choosing not to continue on this path" is great, don't get me wrong. Redemption (AKA the path towards trying to do better, to make reparations, to not repeat the mistakes of before - forgiveness is not an obligation here, only that the character has recognised their hurtful actions and has ceased them and is now trying to do better) on a personal level is so important, and should not be diminished in value.

However, it is also simply and factually true that when it comes to the context in which certain characters have made those terrible choices or been forced to become something they otherwise might never have become, that in order for there to be actual long term solutions, those corrupt systems, those violent institutions - those must be dismantled. These things must stop in order for the system to not just keep on chugging, to not just break the next set of characters as it broke the last ones.

Sometimes, a character cannot realistically meaningfully travel very far down their path to redemption before something changes or shifts within that system in order to allow them that. For example, a character who is constantly on the defensive because people are hunting them down to try to kill them doesn't have the option of not defending themselves (usually with violence) unless they choose to die at their hunters' hands. Even if they do not start fights, they can't disengage if others start them first; in order to stop, others must also stop.

It is unfair, in contexts where there is a great and systematic corruption, to place the onus of a "happy ending" on singular people if there is no intention of dismantling the system that gave birth to such horrors. How cruel, how unjust, to take one person and say to them, "this is all, totally and completely, your fault, and it is your responsibility to change because you are the thing that needs fixing here."

Think of it like climate change: yeah, sure, putting your rubbish into the correct bins and reducing your personal carbon footprint etc is helpful. But what change you can make, if you make it alone, if you make it isolated, will never meaningfully chip away at the global level of pollution caused by the whole system. What needs to happen is a lot of people banding together to force the system to change, and for those who benefit from it to be held accountable. Because that's the other element of tragedy: there is nearly always someone benefitting from the tragedy, and it is not often those who are the most blamed or slandered.

Yourself may be a good place to start, but it is not where it ends. It is a long hard road, to the recognition that there are many factors that contribute towards tragedy - to the personal choices of characters, and to the reasons they made those choices in the first place; the action = reaction, the consequences, the pressures, the emotional and mental factors, the physical factors, the numerous interweaving stories of everyone trying to protect them and theirs, and sometimes in doing so hurting others.

Redemption and understanding how tragedy came to be is rarely as simple as we want it to be, and this complexity is a feature, not a bug. If you want to be able to point at someone and say "there; that is the bad thing" then 99/100 times I would first take a good look around to see what made the bad thing bad. Then I would take one good look at yourself in the mirror, and ask yourself if you could have been the bad thing, too, if things had shaken out just that little bit differently - the answer might not be one that comforts you.

[adayladoorwalt]

C!W*lbur was incredible at making his propaganda stick. The mischaracterization of himself, C!Dream, and hell even C!Tommy needs to be studied.

Dream wasn’t a villain until W*lbur made him one. The disrespect of the original L’manburg to Dream specifically still was something that people talked about into the start of the election saga. Eret’s betrayal is something that makes it clear to those who watch from Tommy/W*lburs perspective that Eret teaming up with Dream was villainous, cementing Dream as a full villain. Then as soon as L’Manbug became Manburg we see a shift to a sympathetic read of W*lbur and Tommy. The old lore of L’manburg not allowing anyone else besides the ‘Non-Europeans’ (which really meant the British and Fundy, he is the only member of og Lmanburg who isn’t a Brit) had been forgotten because they let anyone join now! Everyone began to forget that Quackity wasn’t allowed to join because he was assumed American, that Sapnap asked to join but was stopped by W*lbur, that Dream asked them to not have a monopoly on potions. L’Manburg wasn’t a bastion of morality some people just fell for the propaganda.

[sumwan]

I feel like it wasn’t just to get the disc, exile was too in-depth and complex to be all to get one disc. There’s other ways he could have done to get it. And c!tubbo had the disc, c!tommy didn’t. C!clingy were seperated with c!dream wanting that so I’m not sure how c!tommy could get c!tubbo to hand over the disc to c!dream. If c!dreams goal was to trick c!tommy, get the disc and then do evil monologue he did to c!tubbo but to c!tommy instead and betray him, then his line in staged finale “Tommy we were friends” to me that sounded partly genuine. Like I feel like not to ignore any of the harm done in exile, but the way c!dream is written it seemed like he had different goals. But, in that case, staged finale would have to be with someone else at the vault so I guess it wouldn’t make sense. There’s also later on when c!discduo are in prison c!dream brings up exile, and this is well past staged final. And the whole “we can revive people together” which is either saying that out of how mentally out of it he was and craving allies from being lonely, or to mess with c!tommy. I think it’s hard to know c!dreams mind 24/7 and know when his lying and when his not or when he’s emotionally driven. Correct me if I’m wrong

Thank you for bringing this up! I get what you're saying, and I do agree that it's hard to know what went through Dream's mind all the time, especially without seeing his POV. What we're shown, however, is that one of Dream's goals at the time was to obtain the disc that Tubbo had. And we know that at some later point, his goals were to get himself locked up in Pandora's Vault (staged finale, for which he needed both discs) and to secretly test the Revival Book with Punz. We're never shown any other concrete goal during this time besides these.

As far as we know, Dream never wanted or planned to be actual friends with Tommy. By that point, he generally saw Tommy as being the main source of all problems on the server and the one who had ruined everything for him. So I don't really think that Dream was "partly genuine" when he said that he and Tommy were friends when Tommy was killing him during the staged finale (also because he wanted to get himself into that situation and most of what he said was for show anyway).

What Dream said to Tommy after reviving him in the prison is also something that Dream himself admitted was "just messing" with Tommy [link]. He had to let Tommy go as otherwise Sam would "cut off [his] visitors", "feed [him] less", and "do all these things". I don't believe that it was ever Dream's intention to actually test the Revival Book together with Tommy, he did that with Punz and they purposefully kept those experiments secret from the rest of the server.

Ultimately, it's still possible that Dream had some unseen, unknown goal at the time of exile. But since this is never mentioned or hinted at in any way, I think it's hard to reach any other conclusion besides assuming that Dream wanted to use Tommy to get the disc.

[proudfreakmetarusonikku]

people acting like canonically c!dream and c!tommy were meant to be equally as bad are just like. incorrect. like we Know the intentions behind the writing of c!tommy and c!dream. their creators have talked about it. other creators involved have talked about it. tommy describes it as torture, completely unjustifiable, described c!tommy giving him the benefit of the doubt as unhealthy, and gets genuinely mad when people try and make that argument to him. dream has like, actually talked about the motivations of c!dream in exile, and it’s him being on an ego trip and moulding c!tommy into being his “friend”/someone useful to him. and that he only stopped bc of c!techno. c!dream's actions were not written to be justifiable during exile by the words of his creator himself. they were power tripping and controlling. are you arguing some secret third person wrote both c!dream or c!tommy this entire time. bc both of the creators are in agreement that c!dream is very much in the wrong for being a child abuser.

and other creators in the server have called c!dream a child torturer and abuser, with sam- who, y’know, had a massive storyline with him- describing him as similar to joe goldberg in you (presumably in his actions- being a stalker, abuser and murderer- and not his motivations) it seems like it was pretty well agreed upon in the writing room that c!dream's abuse of c!tommy and treatment of him was incredibly fucked up and that c!tommy was absolutely not at fault for, y’know, being an abused child (even when they agree he was extremely flawed and fucked up a lot- which, y’know, he did, he’s a character with flaws, it’s just none of his flaws were “being Inherently So Bad His Abuse Is Justified”) like. if you’re arguing the intent of the story is that c!tommy was in any way at fault Specifically for the fucking child abuse you’d have to like. disagree with like basically all the writers who were involved in c!tommy and or c!dream storylines in the slightest? like bro c’mon.

[brightest-star2]

hmm yes. I think the theories "c!Dream is obsessed with c!Tommy" and "c!Dream is working towards a higher goal" don't have to contradict. Both are equally important to the characters. c!Dream is obsessed with c!Tommy, or, to put it in better words, controlling c!Tommy because he is an anomaly in c!Dream's eyes, he throws things out of order and that means c!Dream can't possibly execute his plans with c!Tommy in the picture. So the only way to achieve whatever it is that c!Dream wants - order, peace, whatever he calls it - is to keep c!Tommy in check by using fear, keeping him contained, controlled, pulling him on his side.

c!Tommy probably thinks that c!Dream is wayy more obsessed with him than he actually is, and I can't blame him tbh. Because ultimately that's what c!Dream wants, to be feared, he wants c!Tommy's paranoia.

tldr: c!Dream is more obsessed with The Plan than he is with c!Tommy himself, but The Plan also includes removing/pacifying any disruptions to it - and that includes c!Tommy. Doesn't help that he’s a sadistic mf who grew to enjoy inflicting pain onto him, apparently

One thing I wanna say about this tweet:

That I have yet to see mentioned is that it completely disproves both the "Tommy deserved exile" idea and the "Dream did it because he cared for George" idea.

Sure, neither of those held up before either, but this truly gave it the final blow.

"c!Dream liked the feeling of power and control that c!Tommy's friends exiling him gave him" that's it. That was his motive for pushing for exile so much.

He liked the power. He liked the control. He didn't care that it was George's house that got lightly scratched. He didn't do it because Tommy's behaviour was uniquely bad and he wanted to uphold law and order. He did it because Tommy was the cool kid he wanted to have entirely under his control.

Like, I know I dunk a lot on c!Dream apologists, but no one does it like cc!Dream does it

[bugflies00]

my ☝️ controversial take (not really) is that its fine for our standards in regards to fans and ccs to be different in 2024 and 2020. by this i mean that yeah, sometimes there are things that are fine to post now (re: the tommy bisexual posting) that would’ve gotten us flamed in 2020, but thats not necessarily a bad thing.

the fact is that creators’ relationship with their fandom evolves. its a VASTLY different thing to joke that 20 year old young adult tommy, who is barely online and who clearly gives infinitely less fucks what people think of him on the internet, and who regularly makes gay jokes, is being faggy on stream, than it would’ve been to say that to 16-17 year old tommy who was online everyday and constantly seeing vile shit about himself and had made it clear how grossed out he was by shipping. Like those are 2 different situations.

thats also why i disagree when people talk about how much more open dsmp shipping is now to argue that its bad that it wasnt as open before. i think its normal people were uncomfortable with romantic c!clingy when the 2 kids in question were constantly online and seeing Much more of the fan content than they currently are, and who were outwardly grossed out by it. the reason that its fine now is bc none of them care lmao

[zeta-in-de-walls]

Jack and Tommy reminisce

Okay, so Jack and Tommy's met up on the DSMP for one last in-character conversation. I briefly spoke on it being a world of memory now that does and doesn't exist.

But let's be more meta.

This is reallyCC!Tommy talking about the Dream SMP.

He's asking Jack if he misses the days of the server.

They're saying that those days were fun but too much. Streams of over 100k, big lore, drama, so many different CCs and events. When they were both teenagers that was the whirlwind of their life.

It's blown past now and they miss it but look back fondly sometimes. The way things were back then, you can't get it back but it was cool.

We all have to move on. Jack and Tommy both like their current careers as they are now. They look back at their teenage adventures fondly, but they've also grown up since then.

Now it's the quieter life. Sometimes they get thoughful and reminisce. Sometimes Tommy ends up back on the server. Back where it started for him. These days, he's still good friends with Tubbo, they still hang out every now and then. That connection never faded, even as theire relationship is different from them as young streamers.

And that's the ending Tommy wants for his character. This thoughtful young man looking back and realising how much he's changed since those hectic days. It's not so much an ending for C!Tommy as it is for well CC!Tommy.

And it's not an ending either, of course.

Cause yeah, life is a journey and they're both still on it even if the server itself is a little but significant memory for both of them.

[ghosts-and-blue-sweaters]

There’s more.

love that people here in the dsmp fandom have dreams that range from the streamers doing silly stuff to people like me who dream up heart wrenching aus. it's just so fun and lovely to me

[lazy30]

Uhh so guys I have a big project about dsmp, so I want to make dsmp animation for dsmp anniversary later on November, ( I hope I can finish it on times ;-;) I always want to make this animation last year

And yeah I already edit the audio, and now just animating, but the problem is my motivation haha, I don't care what happen I just need at least one person who enjoy my work, it's been hard this past months and I just want to make something that I proud of

Sometimes talk in tumblr is more comfortable, maybe I will post it too in twitter later, because you know the drama happen is more impact in twitter than here

Because I want to say this was all fiction characters, there's don't need to be tied to the cc, and I think tumblr or dreblr more exactly is more understand about that

So yeah here the snipset 👉👈

The animation is about c!dream, c!tommy and c!tubbo, how about different friendship c!tommy have rather than c!dream

It was perspective from c!dream apologist haha so maybe not everyone agree about it and I don't really care, just please kind with each other, have different opinions is okay but please be nice

Anyway what your thoughts about it? :3

[bluest-of-bells]

Guys, nothing got retconed. c!Tommy was saying it wasn't a canon death because he still has his life.

Which. We already knew. cc!Tubbo spilled immediately after the finale that the white light wasn't the nukes but "the incident" aka the reset.

Does this look to you like it's cc!Tommy retconning shit? They're clearly talking in-character about their lives.

[r3ynah]

DSMPxDC CROSSOVER

Very curious question. why hasn't a lot of people done a Dsmp and dc crossover yet? (yes, I know about the current issues, and dream's is a sh!t person, but even before the problems started rising, they weren't a lot of it.) because I've been scouring the net and a found some but most just didn't end well with me or just made me feel very unsatisfied, like c'mon Danny Phantom, Percy Jackson, spiderman, and hell even miraculous ladybug! c!Tommy THE Thomas Careful Danger Kraken Innit is right there!! the perfect traumatized, child soldier, that has trust issues, and I'm not just talking because I cannot comprehend the pain and suffering Tommy had to go through in the DSMP and how much I want to see him get out of there and take a break, (okay maybe he'll have more trouble in dc, because of how different everything is compared to his home dimension, let's just ignore that and just say plot armor.)

There's also a lot of parallels, left and right, for example: with Red Hood being killed by a certain green clown, and getting revived. To Tommy also getting killed by a green clown and getting revived. There's just so many possibilities! but in the end this is just to heal my 2019 dsmp inner self.

[P.S: I see the c!people and the cc!people as different people, but it doesn't mean I hate W!lbur or Dr3am any less, I do not condone what they have done or any of the horrible things other cc!DSMP players have done that I do not know,

The cc! and c! are not in any way related. and this is just pure fun. feel free write your ideas about this :)]

[airrec]

Sadly reporting that I had a dream and the only scene I remember from it was Dream saying in some random livestream that his initial scripts for DSMP Season 2 had c!Dream and c!Punz as news anchors and commentators for the goings on of the server (the dream did not specify whether they remembered S1 or not, but it sounded like a pretty funny idea to me). He then started sounding really sad about lost friendships and how it was never going to happen (in context of Tommy's extracanonical in-character conversation from a few days ago and no longer being close to either Tommy or Punz) and ended the stream.

I then, and I sigh at this, went onto Tumblr (still dreaming) and started drafting a post talking about how CCs can't "out-canon" each other, and no single CC can retcon a shared piece of canon they all agreed on unless everyone else agrees to as well, and how one CC's plans do not mean that their vision supersedes all others and that they have power over where others go with their stories and how they do so. I then went on to remind people that even DSMP S1 had bits of canon material that just straight up didn't match up with what others were doing (especially earlier in the server's life) and that that's just a part of the medium and part of being semi-scripted and semi-improv.

I then woke up and mourned that 1. we would never get c!Dream and c!Punz as sarcastic and funny news anchors and 2. the background radiation of discourse was starting to invade my dreams. Anyway, enjoy the idea, block those who don't spark joy, and keep on creating 🥰

[wyverndreamers]

WARNING for extensive talk about the dsmp and the characters in it !! THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CC'S THIS IS PURELY STORY BABBLE

loving the dsmp revival going on rn (maybe it's only on twt but i don't post on twt, so sorry for dsmp posting on this account) but i really don't like how a lot of the 'revival' is bringing back a lot of c!tommy's mischaracterization as a whole. i can understand the URGE to smooth him out, into something malleable and kind of babied, because for a while there he was just seen as this really annoying character in fandom spaces pertaining to the dsmp, but i see this urge around the internet to turn tommy into a 'perfect victim' with his trauma when that's just not true at all. i say this as a c!tommy enjoyer, i used to watch his pov's RELIGIOUSLY and i say this as someone who has an appreciation for his story and hate to see it cheapened by this constantly crying, blue sweater wearing blonde baby i see on my TL a lot. apart of what made c!tommy compelling is that at certain points he was very petty, and abrasive. he would act on impulse, and not always in a good way. a lot of the time, yeah it did good in the long run, but in the moment a lot of the stuff he does are stupid impulsive decisions that could've ended in FAR worse scenarios. people really like to hold up his trait of loyalty but completely ignore that his loyalty to a fault always came with a subtle sense of ENTITLEMENT that they were supposed to do right, because he was following him, kind of like how a child would be mortified seeing their parents doing something socially wrong like yelling at someone else. and a lot of people in the fandom actually LIKE this aspect of his character, but mostly because it can add to their characterization of him that is of inherent helplessness and childishness. and its usually painted as a good, pure trait to have, fully ignoring how a lot of his childishness is actually willful ignorance- especially in the face of his actions and how they'll effect people around them. he might bend eventually and mutter out a sorry, but that's not something he really WANTS to do. tommy is someone usually fully fixed in his own perspective and you can especially see it in the way that almost every other character at some point gets irritated at him FOR this in certain places in the narrative. and a lot of people would actually have you believe this is a good thing, because they actually view tommy as always having a perfect perspective on everything all the time. they think because he's the closest thing we have to a 'morally correct protagonist' that he is inherently morally correct and thus should be worshipped like the next messiah that will lead the revolution against the evil-doers. except, tommy just does not have that inherently morally correct perspective. yes he wants to do right, but his sense of 'right' is not always what is 'good'. bro literally tipped the initial domino that led to Doomsday happening, and that's not to say that anything that happened because of him burning down George's house was his fault (quite the opposite) but he also knowingly burnt down George's house knowing that George was friends with Dream, and having the full knowledge of what they could do at least to the extent of the L'manberg revolution where they literally had a traitor on the in betray them all. he recklessly incited George's (and again by proxy, Dream's) wrath because he did a reckless action. it's okay to call this behavior reckless and brash guys, that doesn't mean you're saying he deserved to be exiled. i could go on, but again i say this as an enjoyer of the c!tommy storyline and arcs he goes through. i just don't appreciate it when the thing that made his character so compelling, is cheapened down because the fandom cannot fathom the idea of liking a character that responds in complex ways to complex traumas. maybe some people relate too hard, IDK i just don't understand how you can praise a character for being human and then take out everything that MAKES the character feel so human sorry if this wasnt constructive or coherent, i didn't beta read my tumblr post

[i-hope-this-is-a-phase]

the crowd yearns for blind cdream yap

SO, there are three AUs I've developed (with the help of the Dreblr server):

C!Dream born blind, service animal Spirit AU

C!Dream turned blind after prison, Drunz hurt/comfort AU

CC!Dream born blind, face reveal AU

(As a reminder, I am a blind person, I know how this all works).

C!Dream Born Blind Sprit Service Animal AU

(@yasminthespiritfaninnit helped me with this AU)

C!Dream was born with cloudy eyes (cataracts). When his parents realized he couldn't see, they threw him to the streets. He managed to survive long enough to find Sapnap and George, and together, they lived into adulthood.

C!Dream was always able to gauge weaknesses in people, so he did a lot of the planning to get food, find places to stay, etc. Moreover, Sapnap and Dream loved him for his wit and humor, so he wasn't in danger of dying because of his blindness.

Around 15, they come across an abandoned mare. She's a bit underweight since she didn't know how to live in the wild, but with some help, she gains enough weight back to handle a saddle and rider.

While Sapnap and George like her, Dream adores her. He's the one who gets her apples, makes sure her coat is all clean of dirt and ticks, and removes pebbles from her shoes. He nicknames her "Spirit," for her fighting spirit, and they become inseparable. While on Spirit, he can be much more mobile (since Spirit isn't going to crash herself on purpose), and his confidence in himself grows. For years, they are a duo, up until the fateful day when Wilbur and Tommy take her from him...

C!Dream Turned Blind After Prison Drunz Hurt/Comfort AU

So, you know how Quackity lost an eye because of Techno?

Yeah....he takes out his anger on Dream in prison.

Quackity rationalizes that Dream hs no need for eyes since he's never leaving, and Sam accepts that in this AU. So, when Techno frees Dream, Dream can no longer see.

This messes Dream up ofc.

Parkour, PVP, observation, and all skills inherent to him are now fundamentally changed forever. Sure, he can adapt new techniques, but all the OG techniques? Made obsolete.

But, at first, they don't realize it's permanent. Or at least, Dream refuses to.

They try revival at first. But, as Punz (and Dream) already knows, revival cannot cure "canon" injuries, and these are permanent.

Next, Dream tries healing potions. Every variation, every dosage. Nothing.

Punz gently tries to tell Dream this might be permanent. Dream refuses to acknowledge them.

Golden apples, god apples, trying to talk to XD, nothing.

Finally, Dream breaks down. Like, catatonic state breaks down. He refuses to eat or sleep because what's the point?

Ofc, it's Punz that manages to bring him back, like every time he revives him. Won't go into detail yet 'cause spoilers, but suffice to say, Dream ends up on the war path for Quackity :)

CC!Dream born blind, face reveal AU

Ngl, this is my favorite :)

So, right before George moves to Florida, Dream mentions:

"Oh hey, btw, I'm blind btw."

George thinks this is a joke, but he arrives in Florida, and low and behold, Dream is actually blind.

He does have some vision (retina pigmentosa), but it's only a pinhole of vision. He relies a bit on his vision, but he primarily relies on audio technology.

The main reason why he stayed indoors is he has agoraphobia (fear of the outside), which is common in blind people. He does have a cane, but he's hesitant to use it, and he didn't qualify for a guide dog for a long time because he couldn't meet exercise requirements.

When Dream face reveals and mentions his blindness, there is a HUGE controversy about him not disclosing the audio technology. People say it was cheating, people accuse him of deliberately lying, the usual. Dream does come out and say Technoblade was aware of it during the duel (since some people were accusing Techno of "taking advantage of Dream's blindness), but MCC was never made aware.

There's more but spoilers :)

Controversy aside, Dream goes to TwitchCon and breaks down. He's very nervous about his cane, people keep trying to pull him off alone to talk to him, and he's really freaked out. Luckily, George steps up and acts as a sighted guide. They navigate TwitchCon together, and it's super fun.

The whole fic delves into ableism, agoraphobia, independence, and more. One day, it'll be more than an outline, but for now, it stays at that