#this is talking about c!tommy AND cc!tommy

[yuttikkele]

shoutout to tommyinnit. I will be comparing characters from other fandoms to you for the rest of my days.

[anartisticdreamer0]

[cc:

to: people are above the government, we-

te: I’M A PERSON!

to: -if we don’t- YOU ARE TECHNO! AND SO ARE WE!]

never forget c!tommy’s response.

(stream pov: It ends today. [DSMP] Technoblade; timestamp: 56:04)

[airrec]

Let's talk about the relationship between "personal level redemption (i.e. one character starts making changes for the better)" and "the corrupt institution/context in which the characters are developed to hurt each other".

Now, one or two characters reaching the point where they say "that's it, no more, I don't want this, this is not right, I am choosing not to continue on this path" is great, don't get me wrong. Redemption (AKA the path towards trying to do better, to make reparations, to not repeat the mistakes of before - forgiveness is not an obligation here, only that the character has recognised their hurtful actions and has ceased them and is now trying to do better) on a personal level is so important, and should not be diminished in value.

However, it is also simply and factually true that when it comes to the context in which certain characters have made those terrible choices or been forced to become something they otherwise might never have become, that in order for there to be actual long term solutions, those corrupt systems, those violent institutions - those must be dismantled. These things must stop in order for the system to not just keep on chugging, to not just break the next set of characters as it broke the last ones.

Sometimes, a character cannot realistically meaningfully travel very far down their path to redemption before something changes or shifts within that system in order to allow them that. For example, a character who is constantly on the defensive because people are hunting them down to try to kill them doesn't have the option of not defending themselves (usually with violence) unless they choose to die at their hunters' hands. Even if they do not start fights, they can't disengage if others start them first; in order to stop, others must also stop.

It is unfair, in contexts where there is a great and systematic corruption, to place the onus of a "happy ending" on singular people if there is no intention of dismantling the system that gave birth to such horrors. How cruel, how unjust, to take one person and say to them, "this is all, totally and completely, your fault, and it is your responsibility to change because you are the thing that needs fixing here."

Think of it like climate change: yeah, sure, putting your rubbish into the correct bins and reducing your personal carbon footprint etc is helpful. But what change you can make, if you make it alone, if you make it isolated, will never meaningfully chip away at the global level of pollution caused by the whole system. What needs to happen is a lot of people banding together to force the system to change, and for those who benefit from it to be held accountable. Because that's the other element of tragedy: there is nearly always someone benefitting from the tragedy, and it is not often those who are the most blamed or slandered.

Yourself may be a good place to start, but it is not where it ends. It is a long hard road, to the recognition that there are many factors that contribute towards tragedy - to the personal choices of characters, and to the reasons they made those choices in the first place; the action = reaction, the consequences, the pressures, the emotional and mental factors, the physical factors, the numerous interweaving stories of everyone trying to protect them and theirs, and sometimes in doing so hurting others.

Redemption and understanding how tragedy came to be is rarely as simple as we want it to be, and this complexity is a feature, not a bug. If you want to be able to point at someone and say "there; that is the bad thing" then 99/100 times I would first take a good look around to see what made the bad thing bad. Then I would take one good look at yourself in the mirror, and ask yourself if you could have been the bad thing, too, if things had shaken out just that little bit differently - the answer might not be one that comforts you.

[adayladoorwalt]

C!W*lbur was incredible at making his propaganda stick. The mischaracterization of himself, C!Dream, and hell even C!Tommy needs to be studied.

Dream wasn’t a villain until W*lbur made him one. The disrespect of the original L’manburg to Dream specifically still was something that people talked about into the start of the election saga. Eret’s betrayal is something that makes it clear to those who watch from Tommy/W*lburs perspective that Eret teaming up with Dream was villainous, cementing Dream as a full villain. Then as soon as L’Manbug became Manburg we see a shift to a sympathetic read of W*lbur and Tommy. The old lore of L’manburg not allowing anyone else besides the ‘Non-Europeans’ (which really meant the British and Fundy, he is the only member of og Lmanburg who isn’t a Brit) had been forgotten because they let anyone join now! Everyone began to forget that Quackity wasn’t allowed to join because he was assumed American, that Sapnap asked to join but was stopped by W*lbur, that Dream asked them to not have a monopoly on potions. L’Manburg wasn’t a bastion of morality some people just fell for the propaganda.

[sumwan]

I feel like it wasn’t just to get the disc, exile was too in-depth and complex to be all to get one disc. There’s other ways he could have done to get it. And c!tubbo had the disc, c!tommy didn’t. C!clingy were seperated with c!dream wanting that so I’m not sure how c!tommy could get c!tubbo to hand over the disc to c!dream. If c!dreams goal was to trick c!tommy, get the disc and then do evil monologue he did to c!tubbo but to c!tommy instead and betray him, then his line in staged finale “Tommy we were friends” to me that sounded partly genuine. Like I feel like not to ignore any of the harm done in exile, but the way c!dream is written it seemed like he had different goals. But, in that case, staged finale would have to be with someone else at the vault so I guess it wouldn’t make sense. There’s also later on when c!discduo are in prison c!dream brings up exile, and this is well past staged final. And the whole “we can revive people together” which is either saying that out of how mentally out of it he was and craving allies from being lonely, or to mess with c!tommy. I think it’s hard to know c!dreams mind 24/7 and know when his lying and when his not or when he’s emotionally driven. Correct me if I’m wrong

Thank you for bringing this up! I get what you're saying, and I do agree that it's hard to know what went through Dream's mind all the time, especially without seeing his POV. What we're shown, however, is that one of Dream's goals at the time was to obtain the disc that Tubbo had. And we know that at some later point, his goals were to get himself locked up in Pandora's Vault (staged finale, for which he needed both discs) and to secretly test the Revival Book with Punz. We're never shown any other concrete goal during this time besides these.

As far as we know, Dream never wanted or planned to be actual friends with Tommy. By that point, he generally saw Tommy as being the main source of all problems on the server and the one who had ruined everything for him. So I don't really think that Dream was "partly genuine" when he said that he and Tommy were friends when Tommy was killing him during the staged finale (also because he wanted to get himself into that situation and most of what he said was for show anyway).

What Dream said to Tommy after reviving him in the prison is also something that Dream himself admitted was "just messing" with Tommy [link]. He had to let Tommy go as otherwise Sam would "cut off [his] visitors", "feed [him] less", and "do all these things". I don't believe that it was ever Dream's intention to actually test the Revival Book together with Tommy, he did that with Punz and they purposefully kept those experiments secret from the rest of the server.

Ultimately, it's still possible that Dream had some unseen, unknown goal at the time of exile. But since this is never mentioned or hinted at in any way, I think it's hard to reach any other conclusion besides assuming that Dream wanted to use Tommy to get the disc.

[proudfreakmetarusonikku]

people acting like canonically c!dream and c!tommy were meant to be equally as bad are just like. incorrect. like we Know the intentions behind the writing of c!tommy and c!dream. their creators have talked about it. other creators involved have talked about it. tommy describes it as torture, completely unjustifiable, described c!tommy giving him the benefit of the doubt as unhealthy, and gets genuinely mad when people try and make that argument to him. dream has like, actually talked about the motivations of c!dream in exile, and it’s him being on an ego trip and moulding c!tommy into being his “friend”/someone useful to him. and that he only stopped bc of c!techno. c!dream's actions were not written to be justifiable during exile by the words of his creator himself. they were power tripping and controlling. are you arguing some secret third person wrote both c!dream or c!tommy this entire time. bc both of the creators are in agreement that c!dream is very much in the wrong for being a child abuser.

and other creators in the server have called c!dream a child torturer and abuser, with sam- who, y’know, had a massive storyline with him- describing him as similar to joe goldberg in you (presumably in his actions- being a stalker, abuser and murderer- and not his motivations) it seems like it was pretty well agreed upon in the writing room that c!dream's abuse of c!tommy and treatment of him was incredibly fucked up and that c!tommy was absolutely not at fault for, y’know, being an abused child (even when they agree he was extremely flawed and fucked up a lot- which, y’know, he did, he’s a character with flaws, it’s just none of his flaws were “being Inherently So Bad His Abuse Is Justified”) like. if you’re arguing the intent of the story is that c!tommy was in any way at fault Specifically for the fucking child abuse you’d have to like. disagree with like basically all the writers who were involved in c!tommy and or c!dream storylines in the slightest? like bro c’mon.

[brightest-star2]

hmm yes. I think the theories "c!Dream is obsessed with c!Tommy" and "c!Dream is working towards a higher goal" don't have to contradict. Both are equally important to the characters. c!Dream is obsessed with c!Tommy, or, to put it in better words, controlling c!Tommy because he is an anomaly in c!Dream's eyes, he throws things out of order and that means c!Dream can't possibly execute his plans with c!Tommy in the picture. So the only way to achieve whatever it is that c!Dream wants - order, peace, whatever he calls it - is to keep c!Tommy in check by using fear, keeping him contained, controlled, pulling him on his side.

c!Tommy probably thinks that c!Dream is wayy more obsessed with him than he actually is, and I can't blame him tbh. Because ultimately that's what c!Dream wants, to be feared, he wants c!Tommy's paranoia.

tldr: c!Dream is more obsessed with The Plan than he is with c!Tommy himself, but The Plan also includes removing/pacifying any disruptions to it - and that includes c!Tommy. Doesn't help that he’s a sadistic mf who grew to enjoy inflicting pain onto him, apparently

One thing I wanna say about this tweet:

That I have yet to see mentioned is that it completely disproves both the "Tommy deserved exile" idea and the "Dream did it because he cared for George" idea.

Sure, neither of those held up before either, but this truly gave it the final blow.

"c!Dream liked the feeling of power and control that c!Tommy's friends exiling him gave him" that's it. That was his motive for pushing for exile so much.

He liked the power. He liked the control. He didn't care that it was George's house that got lightly scratched. He didn't do it because Tommy's behaviour was uniquely bad and he wanted to uphold law and order. He did it because Tommy was the cool kid he wanted to have entirely under his control.

Like, I know I dunk a lot on c!Dream apologists, but no one does it like cc!Dream does it

[bugflies00]

im getting pissed off seeing some things on twitter but seriously, where did the idea that fans have to "address" or "have a conversation" about cc's relationships and friendships even come from? the idea that we have to decode red flags and we have to address "how weird things were in retrospect"? yes this is about tommy and WS, no matter what tommy alluded to in yesterdays video that was not permission to suddenly start talking about things that you have assumed were a given. we do not actually know what their relationship was like, and we never will unless tommy chooses to say something about it. that is the ONLY word you can take for it and its frankly weird to jump on a few things he said when he was clearly venting, and use that to construct your imaginary version of how things are behind the scenes. you can show support to tommy without digging further than he chose to share its really not that hard

i do not understand in what reality its somehow a fan, a STRANGER's, responsibility to a) closely examine a creator's relationship b) pick out supposed "red flags" and c) speculate on what this interpretation entails. thats invasive and creepy. you're allowed to privately have your own opinion of peoples relationships but we dont KNOW these people. we're fucking strangers.

if anyone was hurt, we're not involved! and you know what WOULDN'T fix that potential hurt? seeing people online wildly speculating and guessing and providing their own "take" like its a fucking tv show. i understand ccs put themselves forward in a manner not unlike reality tv sometimes, but that doesnt mean you dont owe them privacy.

and i understand its not always something malicious, sometimes its out of very misplaced genuine concern/anxiety for someone who you look up to. so i want to make it really clear that you, random fan, are not being "complicit" or whatever because you watched while a creator had a friendship that you, from behind your screen, consider as unhealthy with a younger creator. even if it later revealed that your analysis was correct. you are not complicit in this scenario because you are a stranger who is not involved and has zero responsibility.

do people genuinely think making all these posts help? do you think that tommyinnit is relying on his fans to analyse for him whether his friendships and relationships are healthy or not? do you really not see how thats not our job and is completely out of line? just be normal like honestly i think he's dealt with enough

[journeysfable]

Fun facts about Tubbo 'cause I'm so fucking happy he's on QSMP

Actually mlm. Like the cc Tubbo is actually mlm. He's mentioned having a boyfriend

He's actually really good at rp

He's known for liking bees

He can hack and really likes technical stuff. He also plays modded pretty often

Calling it now he's gonna speedrun breaking the rules

He was on the dsmp :( and the fandom was awful toward him :( not to the same extent as the openly queer ccs and women but yea his character only mattered because he was c!Tommy's best friend.

Speaking of dsmp, Tubbo has experience with getting extremely emotionally attached to fictional children. He and Ranboo adopted a baby zombie piglin, named him Michael, gave him a room, the fandom made art that they hung up in his room. Tubbo and Ranboo walked so QSMP could run /j The dsmp fandom is still talking about Michael_Beloved to this day.

[ghosts-and-blue-sweaters]

There’s more.

love that people here in the dsmp fandom have dreams that range from the streamers doing silly stuff to people like me who dream up heart wrenching aus. it's just so fun and lovely to me

[zeta-in-de-walls]

Jack and Tommy reminisce

Okay, so Jack and Tommy's met up on the DSMP for one last in-character conversation. I briefly spoke on it being a world of memory now that does and doesn't exist.

But let's be more meta.

This is reallyCC!Tommy talking about the Dream SMP.

He's asking Jack if he misses the days of the server.

They're saying that those days were fun but too much. Streams of over 100k, big lore, drama, so many different CCs and events. When they were both teenagers that was the whirlwind of their life.

It's blown past now and they miss it but look back fondly sometimes. The way things were back then, you can't get it back but it was cool.

We all have to move on. Jack and Tommy both like their current careers as they are now. They look back at their teenage adventures fondly, but they've also grown up since then.

Now it's the quieter life. Sometimes they get thoughful and reminisce. Sometimes Tommy ends up back on the server. Back where it started for him. These days, he's still good friends with Tubbo, they still hang out every now and then. That connection never faded, even as theire relationship is different from them as young streamers.

And that's the ending Tommy wants for his character. This thoughtful young man looking back and realising how much he's changed since those hectic days. It's not so much an ending for C!Tommy as it is for well CC!Tommy.

And it's not an ending either, of course.

Cause yeah, life is a journey and they're both still on it even if the server itself is a little but significant memory for both of them.

[bluest-of-bells]

Guys, nothing got retconed. c!Tommy was saying it wasn't a canon death because he still has his life.

Which. We already knew. cc!Tubbo spilled immediately after the finale that the white light wasn't the nukes but "the incident" aka the reset.

Does this look to you like it's cc!Tommy retconning shit? They're clearly talking in-character about their lives.

[airrec]

Sadly reporting that I had a dream and the only scene I remember from it was Dream saying in some random livestream that his initial scripts for DSMP Season 2 had c!Dream and c!Punz as news anchors and commentators for the goings on of the server (the dream did not specify whether they remembered S1 or not, but it sounded like a pretty funny idea to me). He then started sounding really sad about lost friendships and how it was never going to happen (in context of Tommy's extracanonical in-character conversation from a few days ago and no longer being close to either Tommy or Punz) and ended the stream.

I then, and I sigh at this, went onto Tumblr (still dreaming) and started drafting a post talking about how CCs can't "out-canon" each other, and no single CC can retcon a shared piece of canon they all agreed on unless everyone else agrees to as well, and how one CC's plans do not mean that their vision supersedes all others and that they have power over where others go with their stories and how they do so. I then went on to remind people that even DSMP S1 had bits of canon material that just straight up didn't match up with what others were doing (especially earlier in the server's life) and that that's just a part of the medium and part of being semi-scripted and semi-improv.

I then woke up and mourned that 1. we would never get c!Dream and c!Punz as sarcastic and funny news anchors and 2. the background radiation of discourse was starting to invade my dreams. Anyway, enjoy the idea, block those who don't spark joy, and keep on creating 🥰

[wyverndreamers]

WARNING for extensive talk about the dsmp and the characters in it !! THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CC'S THIS IS PURELY STORY BABBLE

loving the dsmp revival going on rn (maybe it's only on twt but i don't post on twt, so sorry for dsmp posting on this account) but i really don't like how a lot of the 'revival' is bringing back a lot of c!tommy's mischaracterization as a whole. i can understand the URGE to smooth him out, into something malleable and kind of babied, because for a while there he was just seen as this really annoying character in fandom spaces pertaining to the dsmp, but i see this urge around the internet to turn tommy into a 'perfect victim' with his trauma when that's just not true at all. i say this as a c!tommy enjoyer, i used to watch his pov's RELIGIOUSLY and i say this as someone who has an appreciation for his story and hate to see it cheapened by this constantly crying, blue sweater wearing blonde baby i see on my TL a lot. apart of what made c!tommy compelling is that at certain points he was very petty, and abrasive. he would act on impulse, and not always in a good way. a lot of the time, yeah it did good in the long run, but in the moment a lot of the stuff he does are stupid impulsive decisions that could've ended in FAR worse scenarios. people really like to hold up his trait of loyalty but completely ignore that his loyalty to a fault always came with a subtle sense of ENTITLEMENT that they were supposed to do right, because he was following him, kind of like how a child would be mortified seeing their parents doing something socially wrong like yelling at someone else. and a lot of people in the fandom actually LIKE this aspect of his character, but mostly because it can add to their characterization of him that is of inherent helplessness and childishness. and its usually painted as a good, pure trait to have, fully ignoring how a lot of his childishness is actually willful ignorance- especially in the face of his actions and how they'll effect people around them. he might bend eventually and mutter out a sorry, but that's not something he really WANTS to do. tommy is someone usually fully fixed in his own perspective and you can especially see it in the way that almost every other character at some point gets irritated at him FOR this in certain places in the narrative. and a lot of people would actually have you believe this is a good thing, because they actually view tommy as always having a perfect perspective on everything all the time. they think because he's the closest thing we have to a 'morally correct protagonist' that he is inherently morally correct and thus should be worshipped like the next messiah that will lead the revolution against the evil-doers. except, tommy just does not have that inherently morally correct perspective. yes he wants to do right, but his sense of 'right' is not always what is 'good'. bro literally tipped the initial domino that led to Doomsday happening, and that's not to say that anything that happened because of him burning down George's house was his fault (quite the opposite) but he also knowingly burnt down George's house knowing that George was friends with Dream, and having the full knowledge of what they could do at least to the extent of the L'manberg revolution where they literally had a traitor on the in betray them all. he recklessly incited George's (and again by proxy, Dream's) wrath because he did a reckless action. it's okay to call this behavior reckless and brash guys, that doesn't mean you're saying he deserved to be exiled. i could go on, but again i say this as an enjoyer of the c!tommy storyline and arcs he goes through. i just don't appreciate it when the thing that made his character so compelling, is cheapened down because the fandom cannot fathom the idea of liking a character that responds in complex ways to complex traumas. maybe some people relate too hard, IDK i just don't understand how you can praise a character for being human and then take out everything that MAKES the character feel so human sorry if this wasnt constructive or coherent, i didn't beta read my tumblr post

[itslouisan]

Time to have C!Techno headcannons!!!

Heyo, seems like finally I reached my 2nd favorite cc ever! I think techno's character is REALLY interesting, with great writing and details and I can definitely add some hc of my own in there, so without further ado, let's go!

(btw @syndicatedsystem you might like some of my headcannons involving Jschlatt and Techno I talk about here so yeah! Also feel free to discuss em' with me or make asks abt it, hell your blog inspires me a lot)

(I lost the name of the artist if anyone knows please tell me)

• Techno has some braids in his hair, the longer, the more he values the person

Longest: Philza, it's braided with gold details

2nd longest: Ranboo, has a amethyst crystal for purple

Mid-term: Wilbur, he braided it in consideration of a battle friend and some good times with Will, he doesn't hate or likes Wilbur, but still can't deny they do have a connection

Shortest: Tommy.

• Techno prepared a space in the cabin for Tommy in case some day, his demons and the hell he was looking for, finally was found, he'd welcome Tommy with open arms, since he'd view that the kid suffered enough and had the time to change and face any consequences he'd need to face, the space is safe, always available, but, he'd never tell Tommy that, he keeps it hidden, he's not ready to be vulnerable to the demon child again and openly say Tommy could count on him, not until Tommy makes the first step.

• Keeps the pickaxe that blinded Quackity as a trophy, this and keeps all weapons from powerful enemies with him as a reminder of a great battle he won once again

• Likes to write poetry about people and events, he'd never give them to the person, but keep it in a dusty small box in his room in the attic of the cabin

• OKAY, LET'S ALL AGREE TECHNO IS ARO/ACE? GOOD.

• Techno was friends with Jschlatt before everything went to hell, they liked to talk about random bs while watching the fire crack at night and drink some cheap booze for Jschlatt and coffee for Techno

• I view Techno also having some boar traits, so yeah territorial as FUCK don't mess with his stuff or house, also he chases pray like crazy and can eat almost anything without a problem due to that

• Doesn't CARE for alcohol, just doesn't like the idea of having a hangover afterwards since he'd be unable to fight the next day

• Would gossip with Jschlatt, Tommy and the syndicate like, ABOUT EVERYTHING, I imagine him and Jschlatt favorite hobby is shit talking people they hate

• Techno being aro/ace also means if you flirt with him, he'll just stare at your soul and bully the shit out of you, sometimes calls Phil and/or Jschlatt to roast the shit out of the person, also WILL defend himself from any creeps and defend his friends from ANY strange people since for him touch is STRICTLY a death sentence and something that takes time

• Techno smokes when stressed or in the syndicate room, making Phil always carry an extra lighter for him just in case, the 2 used to be smoking buddies before Phil quit when he adopted Chayanne and Tallulah

• Techno in the QSMP is an entity, a god watching above everyone but never leaving Phil side and the eggs side, sometimes he'd talk to Tallulah directly, or influence Phil like a voice in his head to do the right thing in his vision or appear to Chayanne in his dreams to have a chat

• Can and will drink blood from the enemies

• Loves to talk about skulls and anatomy of the body in general, a dark fact, due to respect to Jschlatt, after he died (not considering revival, I view revival as either the decomposed body coming back to life in a LESS but STILL fucked up state or a kind of new body that is the users body in the afterlife coming to the alive realm, if you guys want, I can make a post about this) picked and kept Jschlatt sheep skull, with horns and everything

(art by sadist)

• Would talk about historical wars and battles with his own analysis and commentaries on it, making a great history teacher

• totally collects greek mythology stuff, books, items, anything.

• Has a couple of tattoos but one that is pretty badass is a wither skull with red smoke on his ribs in the right, a tattoo of a emerald in the inside of his left wrist, a tattoo of a squid with a fork on it's head in reference to the potato war on his right wrist really tiny and "everything starts with blood" and "the voices demand blood" written in his tights

• My boy 100% has piercings due to piglin culture, around 75% of them being made of gold

[appleflavoredkitkats]

let's talk abt c!fundy, as a whole:

i don't really know what i want the flow of this post to be. i don't really have any goals in mind, but i really, really, wanted to talk about c!fundy. i don't think i can intellectually cover his storyline arc by arc because, well, i don't actually think i'm capable of doing that in excruciating detail (especially for l'manberg and nlm) but. oh my god i need to talk about him. and my experience i had backing his character up ever since the pet wars.

takes about fundy as an underrated character only became popular around the time manberg ended. a big contributing factor to this is that dsmp recap and update accounts on tumblr and twt only started thriving by that time. so basically, a lot of pre-end of manberg stuff done by cc's who weren't tommy, wilbur, or quackity tended to be ignored, because nobody realized there were more pov’s to consider.

and tbh! as much as i was a bitter fan last 2020, i do want to acknowledge this isn't the fault of the fans. but of course this doesn't come without repercussions. a good portion of people only realized fundy was a spy for pogtopia only when he revealed it to wilbur. this comes as a surprise to me at that time because fundy confirmed as early as eret's election results stream that he was going to pretend to be a traitor.

but okay, that's well and settled. but i guess the bigger issue back then i grappled with a lot as a fundy fan was that many people described fundy's eventual reverence to schlatt and his “disownment” of wilbur to be out of nowhere or uncalled for. as someone who has paid attention to fundy to a tee ever since the pet wars, there is so much little things that occurred that built up fundy's dislike towards wilbur.

for one— wilbur's absence and belittlement of the pet war fiasco. although i'll give it that the pet wars is more of an exploration of fundy's character, especially as a friend to others, rather than something that proved wilbur's neglect. the elections was really where things start becoming finicky. from the mix of tommy saying fundy “would have been exiled from l'manberg if he weren't wilbur's son” (which caused him to create coconut2020) to him not siding with wilbur in the election debates, expressing his feelings of exclusion within l'manberg. there are so many moments, expressions of frustrations for how belittled he feels in the eyes of wilbur and tommy.

and, well, i think this is explored very uniquely in manberg, but in a more subtle way. yes we know about the disowning and the charged exchanges he and wilbur had, but i think that. his relationship with schlatt is one of the more undervalued things about manberg. we know about all the rampant dadschlatt headcanons with tubbo, but oh my god, i need more people to see that it is literally canon that fundy saw schlatt as a father figure and schlatt viewed fundy as his son.

that dynamic is so unexplored. the way fundy first started as a traitor, then almost got caught by schlatt with schlatt telling him that. he hopes fundy can be someone he trusts to make manberg great. man to man. schlatt has continuously raised the ranks fundy had in manberg, makes him tag along in different events. fundy made the schlatt throne and the decorations for manberg.

fundy gave up being a spy because he thought schlatt respected him more than wilbur. then, schlatt killed some cats during the festival and blew it all. i think, on one hand, it's funny this is all it took. on the other, fundy has shown to have massive reverence for the pets that exist in this server. the pet war especially, where it's not only fungi who he avenged but beelloon and niki's fish and farm animals and his own endermen. he himself even couldn't kill skechers. he was upset in nlm when tubbo accidentally killed his fox.

and again, wilbur's absence during the pet wars spoke loudly to him, so when he sees wilbur in schlatt for the first time, he drops him.

there's also sort of a meta angle with fundy being sidelined as a character. i always mention this in my own posts, but yeah. i believe cc!fundy mentioned during manberg that it was hard playing a villain because his views plummeted. and i also find it interesting that cc!fundy didn't stream a lot of pivotal moments in the dsmp during nlm, like schlatt's funeral and the butcher army fiasco. he wasn't even present during the disc war finale.

i can never in my life assume whatever cc!fundy wanted for his character, but i remember, before las nevadas was announced, i came to terms with realizing that i cannot control whatever cc!fundy wanted with his character. if he wanted to step away from the dsmp then i supported it, because if he didn't find himself having fun doing all that, or he thinks not a lot of people liked his character despite his efforts, then i get it.

doomsday isn't my favorite fundy moment. it's subjective, and definitely a hot take among the fundy community, but to me letting go and breaking down felt like a low hanging fruit for him, because genuinely i didn't expect it. there's no build up to it. not in the neglect department, no, fundy definitely has been traumatized enough. but i feel like the manner in which this was expressed felt too angry to be in character— which, tbh, is bold of me to say because who am i to question cc!fundy's character decisions. but genuinely there wasn't a lot of streams in between that and other emotional beats to warrant a heavy breakdown like that.

ok, before i get skewered, what i'm saying is that i think doomsday tends to overshadow everything else fundy did because a lot of fans really wanted some kind of villain arc like that from him. and as cool as the “i want to make them cry” thing is, i don’t think fundy breaking down angrily like that and giving up on everything is representative of his entire character, especially when we see the larger picture with las nevadas and his reunion with wilbur.

fundy is emotional, but not angry. he gets angry at wilbur for almost leaving during their reunion, but he pleads immediately after. he yelps “what the fuck?” at quackity when quackity belittles his achievements, but he pleads “i don't know what to do” softly when quackity compares him to l'manberg fading away.

fundy's character hopes easily, gets attached easily, which is why his breakdown to me feels like a puzzle piece that doesn't fit. to be fair, i can't expect all things in the dsmp to be executed perfectly! and if it weren't for las nevadas, doomsday would've probably been the finale for fundy's storyline, and it makes more sense to view it that way.

but imma just say, thank the fuck it wasn't.

my most favorite thing about fundy would be his consistency, especially with what kind of baggage his character brings within every arc. i think the las nevadas episode that showcases how quackity manipulated him into joining establishes exactly what fundy’s character is in essence.

when quackity compared him to the fading buildings in l'manberg, we got it. we got the confirmation i wanted on what his character is supposed to be, and that is— principally and representatively, he is l'manberg. wilbur's definition of what l'manberg's supposed to be. originally, l'manberg prided itself on peaceful unity that didn't rely on minecraft pvp as a source of power, which is the complete antithesis of the entire cycle of violence we observe in the dsmp later on.

of course, wilbur lets go of these ideas being realistic after they win, then completely gives up mid-pogtopia arc, because to him, l'manberg is a manifestation of his ideologies succeeding. if it doesn't, then l'manberg is nothing. so what does it mean then, in this case, if l'manberg was something wilbur promised to fundy?

well. to me that means wilbur succeeded. fundy is l'manberg. let me explain.

fundy, like tubbo, was present in all iterations of l'manberg. he was close to every single president, usually one of their backups whenever an event occurs. this also happens with las nevadas. he becomes blindlessly devoted to someone if they give him a lick of attention, something wilbur never gave him, but more importantly, his presidents promised him safety and prosperity. when he and schlatt fought before schlatt died, fundy mentioned he sided with schlatt until he ruined plans with manberg.

this is why he also believed in nlm, in las nevadas. he believes in the upturn of cyclical violence in the dsmp, unconditionally and devotedly. he created flags for manberg and lnv, hell, even gogtopia, and he as a dutch also inspired l'manberg's flag. while i also don't think he fully embodies the idea of peace (he is a prankster after all), he definitely embodies how that pacifistic mindset is viewed or treated in the dsmp.

which explains how he dies, i suppose. he dies diving into the l'manberg crater, after cutting ties with wilbur. it's metaphorical in one way, and sad in the other. on one hand, it makes sense. if the embodiment of l'manberg and its principles cut its ties from wilbur, especially considering that the dsmp ends a few months later without ending the cycle of violence, of course they would die. they would disappear.

it would explain why cc!wilbur explains the scene as fundy wanting to get as far away from wilbur as much as possible, not to end it all.

on the other hand, it's sad because… if your entire character is dependent on that toxic connection to nationalism, l'manberg, and wilbur, then, what are you? a few days later, fundy donates the schlatt sword he holds dear and calls an “heirloom” away to the museum. he stands in the rain and disappears from the dsmp forever.

sometimes i wonder what fundy would be, independent of l'manberg. to be okay with being alone, with not involving himself in countries with big plans of power.

it's a hard thing to figure out because we never see fundy after that moment. even before those moments, fundy defined himself always from the way he gets belittled. even the fact that he is a prankster gets roped into this, because he is often made a punchline to other characters like schlatt, phil, tommy, and more. no one takes him seriously. if everyone treats your existence as nothing but a joke, what part of you, then, is real?

we never got to understand what fundy's dreams mean, in the end. we've only seen two instances of this, although in the stream where he finds out wilbur is alive again, he mentions having multiple dreams seeing wilbur. i guess what i can offer is that fundy having such a useful power such as prophetic dreams just proves how he has no one to report things to.

it's like greek myth's cassandra. he's gifted with the skill of knowledge and foresight that he literally cannot use because no one takes him seriously. theoretically, he could have predicted dream's escape, charlie's death, but if he has no one he could trust, what's the point?

fundy’s so much more than what people see him as, inside lore and outside. his entire character explores what it means to be sidelined, to constantly question your worth because of other's input to the point you become it. and when we finally get the catharsis of him letting go, he becomes… nothing. he disappears.

it's sad to see fundy's storyline end this way, but as a fan, i think it felt complete. it felt right. a friend once told me closure is a luxury in the dsmp and fundy is not exempt from that. i'm happy cc!fundy was able to at least tell us a complete story like that, and i'm happy to have met so many fundy fans throughout my entire time here.

he's a great character. i'm happy that he at least exists and prospers in our eyes.