#this is not an anti-izuocha post

[rose-void-789]

Okay but the biggest thing for me that has always kept me from liking Izuocha is that I come from fairytail. I know shonen romance isn't boring. I know what it's like to see the two main leads love and fight and admire each other. And that's the thing that I always wanted for Ochako. I wanted badly for her to have what Lucy has.

And I did ship them at first because they were cute and I thought oh the hero name. The helping Deku win his entrance exam. Her having her own goals. Being broke the friendship. it seemed so much like Nalu. Better too because I could see Izuku blushing at her too.

And then someone says something about twin stars. About Izuku and Bakugou being intertwined. About win to save save to win. And then I see the second movie and my mind explodes. I reread the manga and realize what Katsuki did. Izuku was always pushing chasing looking at him. And that wasn't to say that izuocha couldn't happen but that interconnection I saw with Nalu wasn't it more with bkdk. And it kept getting worse. Ochako kept getting sidelined to better explore the relationship between Izuku and Bakugou.

Izuku never looked at her like she did him. Never thought about her like she did him. A blush or two wr got at most. But Ochako whole character started to soley revolved around her feelings towards him. She was the only one carrying the romance plot.

Mha isn't a show about romance but neither is Fairytail. And yet Lucy never got sideline in fact even with all the stuff on Zeref and Gray Lucy found herself interconnected to Natsu through her own bloodline. And they always had moments ones where he's scared of her getting hurt, of catching her from falling, of going berserk because he thought she died, of protecting her, of finishing a big villan off together, of being on missions together. Hell when he ran away shes the one that found him. When Izuku ran away bakugou found him. When Ochako was in danger Tsyu was there or any number of other heros, when she almost died Toga held her safely. Nalu gave me such a high expectation for shonen romance and female leads. So of course it's so frustrating seeing people call the obvious love intest boring when it can be anything that. To act like the female lead has to carry the romance plot and contribute nothing else. That the male lead can just walzt up to the that stupid clif and say that he loves her and that he always has when it was only ever iluded that he even thought that much about her in the last half of the war. And for her to so easily accept because when her whole arc is about her feelings for the guy isn't it only fair that they end up together.

Where is the interconnectivity, the care from him. Where is him looking at her the same way she looks up to him. How is the fanservice show better at writing a strong heroen! A strong partnership!

I'm so tried. I'm so sorry to everyone that's watch shonen and are expecting this out of female characters. That it's typical for the romance plot to be given to the girl and the big moments where I seen love intrest shine are given to the "rival." Ochako deserves better.

[irloddity]

i hate when people are WEIRD FREAKS on fandom posts on here and the replies are turned OFF AUUGHHHHHHH

[the-sun-is-also-a-star]

fym bakugou dedicates all his savings to deku's hero suits, called himself "kacchan bakugou", says "deku and the extras", kept the card in his pocket for ALL THOSE FUCKING YEARS, has deku as the person he thinks about in his potential last moments and then IS DEKU'S FUCKING WINGMAN??????

fucking hate it when writers use queer characters to push their mid het ship THE FUCK YOU MEAN OCHAKO STILL DREAMS ABOUT HIMIKO CALLS HER “MY BELOVED OCHAKO” AND THEN SHE ENDS UP WITH A MAN?!?!?

[curiousochako]

This shouldn’t have to be said but if you hate Izuocha don’t flood the tag with hate posts. There is a an anti Izuocha tag that you people can use. It comes off as being incredibly disrespectful towards shippers when you tag anti Izuocha material into our tag.

[neonscandal]

I'm glad that BNHA ended with no canon pairing (I remember in one of your post, that you also hope BNHA have no canon pairing, right?). Did you hear what anti BKDK and anti Bakugou said? That because of "loud" BKDK shippers (including us), Hori scared to made Izuku/Ochaco canon. Are they serious? It's a het ship, cutest couple (yes, even if I'm BKDK shipper, I can say that IzuOcha is a cute ship), and one of the best dynamic in the series. Well, let the haters hate, right?

Hiii and thank you for your patience! Things have been crazy but I'm (slowly) getting caught up on asks 💚 I think, previously, I said I doubted (but hoped like hell) it'd be canon due to the obvious tropes and that I'd riot if they got the Destiel treatment.

I think there not being any canonized romantic pairings is on par for the story though. We literally don't see any couples in universe except for a handful of the class' parents and, presumably, Kota's deceased parents who were also a hero couple (insert awkward drop that All Might also thought they'd make an unstoppable team up..).

I think IzuOcha had a really refreshing dynamic as friends especially with how awkward Izuku was at the beginning. His comfort with her over time (especially at the end) was also an indicator of his growth and maturity just as much as her picking apart her admiration for him was for her if that makes sense. Part of that confusion was influenced by Mina being a messy ass queen (love her for that) but also is a really sweet interpretation of the kind of admiration and appreciation one can have for someone that makes you think, "is this love?".

Like despite how his previous classmates felt about him and how Izuku may have seen himself, Ochaco was so moved by his earnestness and potential that it made her strive to be more of a hero than one who is in it for the money. Bravely speaking up for Izuku was her origin story as a hero but it wasn't all of her story and minimizing it in that way when she gave one hell of a performance at the Sports Festival earning Katsuki's respect and navigated a moral dilemma in the redemption and rescuing of villains by way of Toga derails the point.

I think overall the theme that anyone can be a hero is illustrated most by characters who may seem unassuming but have garnered the admiration of someone and, in turn, motivated them to be better.

Izuku looked up to Katsuki (and vice versa)

Eijiro looked up to Mina (mind you, this was in spite of the fact that she immediately broke down in fear after)

Amajiki looked up to Togata (and vice versa)

Ochaco looked up to Izuku

So in that way, perhaps we knew it was never going to be a romance. That would have muddled the overarching message that small measures can define someone as a hero because you never know who's watching. But to extend your hand to help anyway.

Shipping is like a side quest to enjoying the story, don't let the haters ruin your appreciation. Regardless of any large romantic gestures that may have punctuated the story  👀🧡💚

[bluerosety-blog]

Let's talk about the double standards when it comes to discussing a straight pairing (IzuOcha) vs a queer pairing (BKDK).

This was in response to someone saying IzuOcha Were sibling coded, yet in the same response thread someone mention BKDK.

Another one, tell me why one is consider "romantic" while the other is not. We all know why, is because it involves a boy and a girl, and the other two boys. 🙄

"Why can't they just be friends!" One of the many phrases use when fans try to hate on other fans that ship a gay pairing, but this can easily be used for a boyxgirl pairing per their logic. 😒 It sucks that just because we ship a boyxboy or girlxgirl ship we get so much hate and the homophobes feel save to give their unwanted opinions.

You don't like a queer ships. Just. Scroll. Pass. Them. It's literary that simple. Let us enjoy our ships and you guys would have more time to enjoy yours. 🙄 Anyways, I'm petty and pray Hori makes BKDK canon just to shut the antis and homophobes up. 😌🙏 Meanwhile go to Noguchi's Twitter account for some adorable childhood BKDK drawings! 🥰💕 He says he will try to post MHA art until the manga ends, so far it's been bkdk kids! 🤗😍 Which could literally mean nothing and he just misses them! 🤭

Also, I'm not ready for the last chapter!! 😖 Are you?! 🧐

Edit: I'm seeing a lot of hype with these cute drawings, and fans being all hopeful and stuff. But please keep in mind this could be nothing and he's just coping that the manga ended. Hope fans don't send hate to him or blame him if that's the case because you bank on this as being proof bkdk is going to be canon. I'm not saying don't be happy and enjoy the drawings but keep this in mind, thank you! 😊💕

[aromanticannibal]

... do you know what anti bkdk means or

izuku blushing at katsuki, who is not a girl.

[epickiya722]

I like Izuocha (but I ship Izuku with other people too) and I don't mind that this ship is disliked by many because of the lack of development or whatever. But one thing that always put me off is when antis say that Izuku is not good enough for Ochako or that Izuku didn't respect her the way Bakugo did during that sports festival (this one's funny because yes Bakugo did respect her but he also thought that her plan was Izuku's lmao). It's so untrue and even if you don't ship it, stop making false claims about Izuku to make a ship/character look good.

I am shaking your hand because that is FACTS.

Okay, I'm going to be a little bias here probably because Midoriya is my number fave. With that said, it irritates me whenever I do see people make those kind of claims about him.

Not even just for Uraraka but pertaining to any ship it's just irritating because they try so hard to make Midoriya look like this bad guy when he's the opposite. (And this can go for any character for any ship really.)

I feel like if you have to bash a character over a ship, the ship you like you don't really like. You don't like the characters, you don't feel an ounce of genuine favor for that ship. Just nothing!

Like, what? Are you scared or something?!

Why must you prove your ship is the "best" by bashing a character when you can simply put the reasons why you like that ship without mentioning that character once?

Heck, I wrote a whole post for a ship of two characters that didn't even interact onscreen before on the reasons why I like said ship. For fun!

It sucks because Midoriya isn't an unlikable character in universe. Quite a bit of people have grown a soft spot for him. Uraraka is one of those characters.

"He's not good enough for her." Uraraka didn't think so.

The Sports Festival is often the only example I have seen some pull out their ass to say Bakugou is a better choice when mind you within that same arc, he didn't even remember her name. Also, as you pointed out, he thought Uraraka's plan was Midoriya's. Did that not click that Bakugou didn't think Uraraka was capable being strategic?! Even though he stated she isn't some fragile girl, he still undermined her.

When they fought Bakugou wasn't thinking "Oh, here's this strong girl". No, Uraraka was just another opponent. No different than anybody else he fought!

Yet, in that same arc, Midoriya was happy Uraraka joined his team, talked to her, offered her help and even when she rejected said help he didn't argue with her. He offered help as a friend, something he often does with the others. He wanted to do something that Ojiro did for him before his battle with Shinso. When Iida questioned Midoriya about Bakugou, Midoriya straight up was like "Yeah, he would attack her". He didn't lie, he pretty much gave her that heads up so she didn't go in blind, again just as Ojiro did for him.

It's just... ugh... honestly, I don't get people who constantly want to make one character a bad guy just to make their ship look good by falsifying how they really are in canon.

Like, yeah, I get people not liking the ship because of its development in canon. And it's not even a bad ship! I don't hate it (there's worse ships) and even with its development I don't think anyone should feel it should stop them from shipping it. Again, shipper of a ship of two characters who haven't interacted onscreen here.

Thinking about it, I feel like some people who hate the ship and bash Midoriya are just people who may feel it's his "fault" for the ship not being developed more because on his side there was little effort in canon and he wasn't trying to "win the girl". That was never in his agenda. He didn't admit to loving Uraraka or tried to flirt with her. Probably why they say he's "undeserving" of her.

Which is also insulting Uraraka because it's like they only see her as some girl to be won and not someone who can make her own choices.

[helios-co]

At this point when I notice "antishipper" or "proshippers dni" in the bio of someone I actually like, I just kinda assume they're misinformed until I see otherwise...

Just to set the record straight, a proshipper is someone who doesn't attack people for shipping problematic ships. Sometimes that's because they themself ship problematic ships like incest, adult/minor, or abusive ships, but the only thing you can actually know about a proshipper's views is that they follow the policies of ship-and-let-ship and don't-like-don't-read. I call myself a proshipper because I'm not gonna harass or publicly shame people who ship stuff I don't like or agree with. I've posted anti-izuocha in the past with some malice, sure, but that was from the perspective of defending canon. People claim it's "clearly canon" when it's not and it pisses me off. But if someone tells me "I ship izuocha whether or not they're canon because I think they're cute together and that they'd be happy together" we have no problem. I respect that 100%. I'll maybe try to convince them of my own views but I'm not gonna be a bitch to them if they stand firm in their own.

The entire concept of being antiship is pro-censorship and pro-harassment. It's saying "if you ship something bad in fiction you deserve to be called out because you're a bad person and I hate you". Even if people DON'T ship the bad thing and they just write or draw it because the dynamic interests them, the same way people write whump of their fav character or draw gore, the antishipper view is "you're hurting real people by creating fictional works and you're a shit person". I think that's bullshit. I am anti-censorship. Keeping people, especially children, from seeing shit that isn't for them, is the job of the adult. If they're an adult, they need to be aware of the shit they can't deal with and curate their own experience based on it. Tumblr let's you block tags you don't wanna see. Ao3 has it's entire revolutionary tagging and filtering system to let you pick what you do and don't wanna see. Don't like, don't read. If they're a child, it's their adult guardians' responsibility to monitor their internet access and let them know (constructively and gently!!) what to avoid online. If your kid is seeing nsfw online, no matter the topic or ship, don't blame it on the content creators, blame yourself. The only thing I expect of the creators is tagging your shit properly with the necessary content warnings and spoilering text or images on certain platforms when it's needed.

Anyways, this is probably gonna be our only post on this subject, but our views are out there now and we're standing by them.

[freshwritingarthorse]

I'm gonna preface this by saying I know this isn't a problem unique to a specific ship or fandom.

If you are writing an essay on Tumblr about why X ship is not real and Y ship IS real, can you please tag it as "Anti-X"?

Oh wait! No, I know. You aren't personally ANTI that ship. But you see, Tumblr does this awful thing where they include posts in a keyword search if that keyword appears in the body of the text, even if it's untagged!

And I didn't want to wake up to an analytical essay about why IzuOcha "isn't real" from a Bakudeku fan, and how Horikoshi is "fixing the story" now.

I also don't want to block the Bakudeku tag bc I ship them too.

So please, just, if you're going to make a post that boils down to "that ship sucks and mine is better", think of your polyamorous multi-shipping homies and use the anti tag, so we can filter it out properly.

[marunalu]

You say you're a non-shipper but then why are you out there getting all pissy at people for LITERALLY ONLY SHIPPING BkDk and getting overly preotective of Izuocha??

Don't try take this as me hating on Izuocha/Ochako because OhMyGoD i MuSt Be A bKdK sHiPpEr AnD oChAkO iS gEtTiNg In ThE wAy Of My sHip

Just so you know I don't ship Bkdk really don't and yes I admit I love Izuocha

And I'm not doing this just to be rude/mean and try to be a bitchy ass piss baby I seriously wanna know

You call Bkdks hypocrites but here you are being so obnoxious and toxic over a ship???

Shipping is literally only saying hey wonder how these two would be in a relationship without everyone jumping you and telling you that ThIs ShIp WiLl NeVeR bE cAnOn BeCaUsE so and so

Everyone gets it, no way a shonen manga MC will be explicitly stated as Gay and I also get that you really hate bakugou, to each their own you have your reasons which are just as valid as everyone else's but why be so rude and toxic for no reason to people literally only enjoying their ship??

Just because Im a non-shipper I cant talk about my opinion about a ship I hate and its toxic fanbase on MY blog??? 🤨 If I get asks about that topic of course I answer them if Im in the mood or have time! And where am I rude or toxic? Im talking about MY opinion and MY thoughts on MY blog! If a bkdk shipper cant handle my critism of bakugou or their ship thats THEIR problem and not mine! I dont go to bakugou fans or bkdk shippers blogs and posts and attack them, I try to stay away from them as good as I can, unlike all the bkdk shippers who attacked, insultet and told me to kill myself! I never have done something like that and never would! So WHERE am I toxic?? Because I have an opinion I talk about on social media?? Then what are hardcore bkdk shippers of the caliber like dekakchan to you, who openly attack anti bkdk shippers and even other bkdk shippers if their opinion is not the same as theirs on a daily basis, say terrible sexist things about ochako, downplay every other relationship izuku has with his other friends and afterwards play victim when other people call them out for their bullshit?! Why arent you calling out that kind of people instead?!

If I had a problem with the normal part of the bkdk fanbase who just ship for the lolz I wouldnt allow bkdk shippers to follow me and would tell all of them to fuck off! All the bkdk shippers that follow me and I interact with accept that I hate bakugou and bkdk and never attacked me for it nor did I ever attack them! In my posts Im talking about the toxic part of the bkdk shipper fanbase who attack others because their opinion differs from them, because this people are the main reason why bkdk shippers have such a horrible reputation in the rest of the mha fanbase! Thats my right! I can talk and rant on my blog about whatever the hell I want and if people dont like that they can block me for all I care! Or at least blog the anti bkdk and anti bakugou tag, so they dont have to see this kind of posts. If they dont do that thats not my problem, simple as that!

And about the izuocha ship. While I dont ship it, I still think its a cute and wholesome ship like I think iidadeku or tododeku are too and Im supportive of all of them, but I dont look for fanfictions or fanarts of that ships, because Im not interested in shipping. Being a non-shipper doesnt mean, you cant defend a ship or support it though or that you cant like a ship, it just means its not where your main focus is on! Im supportive of izuocha, because ochako gets so much hate from bkdk shippers, simply because they see her as a treat to their ship and because she exists!

And about you saying that everyone knows and accepts that izuku and bakugou arent gay: man you never have read the bkdk posts on twitter, havent you?! 🤣

[bibibbon]

Can IzuChaco fans stay off the anti tag? Im sick of seeing them there it’s annoying

I am assuming this is just a general complaint that you're posting here because I am by no means an izuocha shipper actually I am quite critical of the ship.

Honestly, my best advice at this point is to completely block any izuocha tag so you won't be exposed to izuocha content. I did this with bkdk, and it worked for me, so maybe try it out.

[haebeomsleftbuttcheek]

I honestly don’t know who I find funnier anti-BakuDeku’s who scream and shout about the ship not ever becoming canon, as it’s obvious IzuOcha will be the endgame! Or the anti-BakuDeku’s who scream and shout obscenities worried about the possibility of it becoming canon!

Because honestly I’m so flaming humoured over the fact that last night, I saw someone overjoyed at the prospect of Togahako and the amount of content they got for the ship. But then they worried about how it supposedly parallels quite a bit of from BakuDeku, so like “oh no I got my TogaHako but at what cost” 😂🤣 and then they threatened right after that post that if BakuDeku did become canon, well they’re going to kill Horikoshi like no you won’t you’ll cry about it but you’d have to cry and cope if that did happen!

[nostalgic-soda]

i agree with your my hero fandom post these days, but back in like 2016 i have to say as someone deeply entrenched in it it was not just shipping cringe discourse. Most notable incidents i remember are the most popular person in the fandom being a tyrant on discord and ousting people entirely just becaus they didn’t roleplay the characters how they liked, the izuocha coloniser x native fic, the “toga has a forced baby with monoma” au, the “anti-anti blocklist” that we infiltrated a circle to leak and the entire “anti” side of the fandom rejoiced for a day straight, the famed anti bakudeku flag discourse it was a lot more “eventful”

I’m not saying the mha fandom didn’t have any eventful dramas, just that the non-mha fans who criticize is generally do not have any other points then “bakudeku bad” and “shipping cringe”. I directly stated in that post that I have never seen the people who hate the mha fandom bring up stuff like what you’re saying. Often times just a vague statement of the fandom being bad and chaotic with no actual examples other then bakudeku or apparently some weird questions VAs were asked at panels?

[carr10nb1rd]

i made the mistake of posting something criticizing ships affecting peoples interpretation of canon content and now my feed has a lot of anti izuocha and anti bkdk posts sigh

i do not care! let people ship what they want! shipping wars are stupid!

[anti-katsuki-lounge]

Here on the Anti Katsuki Lounge, we tend to talk about toxic BkDk and Katsuki Stans. However, it’s important to know that there are toxic stans in all sides of the fandom. One of the BkDk fans who frequents this blog unfortunately ran into one of them after responding to a Twitter post asking for unpopular MHA opinions (that same one I responded to where I wrote how I felt about Katsuki). They mentioned that IzuOcha was a cliched and boring ship, an opinion that they’re well within their rights to have. Sadly an IzuOcha Stan got triggered and started bothering them. I left the name of the Stan unblurred so that people know who they are and so they can avoid them, but do not go harassing them. I do not condone harassment of any kinds. That being said, the Stan has no excuse for, simply put, being a prick on Twitter just because someone says they don’t like their ship. It’s immature and idiotic. Don’t be like this person.