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Essential Avengers: Avengers West Coast #50: RETURN of the HERO

November, 1989

I'm sure that someone was asking for this but I couldn't guess who.

Look.

The thing about the robot Human Torch is that he's just less interesting than Johnny Storm human Human Torch.

Marvel brings back Jim Hammond a lot but he never sticks around because he's just not super interesting.

But its pretty blatantly obvious that John Byrne wants him back, given how he's taken a crowbar to Vision's character to justify it and has had Captain America and Namor start talking unprompted about how cool it would be if robot Human Torch came back.

So, it's happening.

You really want this, John Byrne, so lets see how it plays out.

Last times in Avengers West Coast: a lot. Scarlet Witch got kidnapped by a Texas college and stuffed full of ooze until she went evil. The ooze was defeated by the Great Lakes Avengers but Wanda still has the mutant supremacy memories it jammed in her and she's not sure how it may affect her.

Also, some lady was teased as coming to the Avengers on robot Human Torch related business and now she's here.

That subplot progressed a lot more quickly than I thought it would.

If it was Englehart still, we'd be looking at four teases before she ever got anywhere.

Because John Byrne hates me personally, there's a two-page spread of the Avengers West Coast all eyeing the lady with varying amounts of suspicion and sympathy. And weirding them all out, US Agent who speaks to the woman with patience and empathy.

US Agent: "All right now, ma'am, calm down. Take it easy. The Avengers were created to help people in distress. But you've got to tell us your story slowly... clearly..."

I'm honestly surprised US Agent is in the book. He just seemed to disappear after Tigra hit on him.

The woman explains that she is Ann Raymond, widow of Thomas Raymond, aka Toro, aka the robot Human Torch's partner/sidekick.

Toro is dead. He died during a battle between Namor and the Mad Thinker.

Namor came and told Mrs Raymond himself. And she believed it until she heard the news that Vision wasn't made out of Human Torch.

(Again: Why did you announce that to the press, the Avengers??)

Wanda gets immediately hostile when Mrs Raymond mentions the Vision/Human Torch thing. I presume she's sick of this subplot by this point.

Scarlet Witch: "Calm myself? How can I calm myself when the whole world has gone completely insane?! Isn't it bad enough that I've had to see my husband dismantled... his mind erased... isn't it bad enough that a group trying to use me to find a way to possess all the other mutants on Earth used the Vision's condition as their avenue of approach to lure me into their clutches... Now this madwoman wants to implicate the Vision in the death of her husband?"

Wonder Man tries to tell Wanda to calm down but she tells him to fuck off. Well, not literally. They're not going to say fuck in Avengers. But that's the tone of her jerking away when he puts a hand on her shoulder.

Wanda was ready to just wash her hands of the Avengers after the Absolom College Ooze Incident. They got her to stay by promising to actually try to help Vision.

But the Avengers still don't seem to really care as far as Wanda can tell and are letting this new thing distract them.

In fairness, does this require the whole team? Do you need to be here listening to Mrs Raymond, Hank Pym?

Wanda stomps off, threatening to actually quit for realsies. Wasp starts to go after her but Vision stops her. Its his job as husband to tend to Wanda's emotional needs. He has no idea how to do that because emotions are DATA NOT FOUND but its his duty so he's going to go be adjacent to her anyway!

Aww?

Anyway, Hank Pym, who definitely doesn't need to be here for this, prompts Mrs Raymond to tell her story.

So... flashbacks. Or new information.

In indeterminate amount of time ago, Thomas Raymond, Toro, hears that the Human Torch was killed when the Fantastic Four were around.

Now, right off the bat this is weird. I'm pretty sure that the Human Torch was already dead, having blown himself up in a desert, and was found and resurrected by the Mad Thinker who tried to use him to destroy the Fantastic Four.

Wouldn't Thomas' reaction be more like 'holy crap, the robot Human Torch came back to life and died like ten minutes later? Weird!'

Thomas goes to the robot Human Torch's funeral (I thought the FF just left him to not-rot in a cave?) to pay his respects but the funeral is obviously a trap. Because one: there's no superheroes there. And two: the Mad Thinker buys Thomas a drugged coffee and drugs him with it.

The Mad Thinker used Toro's flame powers in a scheme with Egghead and the Puppet Master to black out all the power in America.

Toro was brainwashed into thinking he was the original Human Torch and sent to attack Namor. Namor brought him to his senses and Toro decided, despite having a loving wife, to sacrifice himself to push the Mad Thinker's escape rocket into a volcano.

The Mad Thinker, of course, walked that off. Making the whole thing pretty dumb.

Mrs Raymond didn't know all that. She just went looking for Thomas when he didn't return from the funeral.

She couldn't find him and only found that the cemetery named in the funeral announcement was not in active use so he couldn't have attended a funeral there.

So she went home and bam there's Namor.

Namor and Mrs Raymond compared notes and that's how she had the whole story for this flashback exposition.

The Wasp reiterates that the Fantastic Four just left the original Human Torch's body lying where they left it because he may have been the first Marvel hero and a famous Nazi puncher but as far as Reed Richards was concerned, he wasn't a real person.

Anyway, the Human Torch's body was supposedly found by Ultron to retrofit into being the Vision. But that's all retconned now so who knows.

The reason why this is relevant is that Mrs Raymond was hoping that the Toro that died stupidly pushing a rocket into a volcano wasn't actually Toro but the Human Torch.

I mean, he was brainwashed into thinking he was the Human Torch so why not just have him be the real guy? Wouldn't that be simpler?

Hank Pym concedes that if the Mad Thinker brought the Human Torch back to life once, he'd probably be able to do it again. And then he could have brainwashed him into thinking he was Toro who had been brainwashed into thinking he was the Human Torch.

Whoa, it stopped being simpler.

Hank points out that even if the Toro that died was actually Jim Hammond, that doesn't really answer where the hell Thomas Raymond has been for years.

Mrs Raymond begs Hank to help her find out what happened to her husband (pretty sure he cannonballed into a volcano) and Hank agrees to try.

So while Wasp leads Mrs Raymond to a guest room to get some rest, Hank makes some calls to the Avengers East Coast Island.

Namor (still hanging around after the Lava Men and Negative Zone stuff, I guess) confirms Mrs Raymond's story. Insofar as Namor fighting a fiery dude who claimed to be the Human Torch but then claimed to be Toro.

The exiled Prince of Abslantis says that his memory may not be reliable due to all the amnesia he's been through but he was pretty sure the dude who claimed to be Toro was Toro. And the fact that Thomas Raymond went missing after Toro dove into a volcano does seem to confirm that.

Lotta talking in this comic.

Have the West Coast Avengers West Coast done any superheroing since Byrne took over?

Now, granted, helping this lady get closure is pretty super-heroic but it doesn't feel like the Avengers West Coast are a superhero team anymore. 90% of what they've dealt with in the Byrne run has been Wanda Vision drama. And when they're not dealing with that, they're just sitting around.

Meanwhile, the Avengers East Coast keep going on wacky adventures. And even the Great Lakes Avengers are up to more than the Avengers West Coast are.

If the Avengers West Coast were going off on missions and adventures, they may have noticed Tigra being weird before the situation deteriorated and came to Hank shrinking her down and putting her in a terrarium.

Oh, by the way, he put her in a terrarium.

Consistent with Hank's problem solving ethic lately, he doesn't seem to have any real urgency to do anything about this.

She attacked him so he shrank her. He needed to put her somewhere while he figured out what to do with her so he put her in a terrarium. And he doesn't actually want to look after her so he rigged it with a bunch of alarms.

Hank mentions that Tigra's cat aspect is in ascendency and US Agent nods and says that explains all the cat-like behavior he observed that nobody else did.

Wonder Man: "? You know about this? Why didn't you tell anyone?" US Agent: "I was busy. Watch your tone, Williams. I don't have to explain myself to you. I answer only to the United State government." Wonder Man: "Guess again, Stripes! You're an Avenger now! We didn't want you, but to avoid further government interference in our business, we've been forced to take you. And you are gonna learn that being an Avenger means being responsible to all the other members! We don't even know where you are half the time!" US Agent: "Where I am is on your need-to-know list only when you can see me, Wonder Man! The rest of the time you don't have the security clearance to know any more than I chose to tell you. And I chose to tell you nothing!"

US Agent isn't just not a team player, he's functionally not even on the team.

He just lives in the same place as they do but he's coming and going as he pleases and doesn't really interact with the Avengers.

Wonder Man is about ready to deck US Agent in the schnozz which I, at least, would enjoy but Wasp breaks up the fight.

Since Wasp got Mrs Raymond settled, Hank goes to talk to Wanda and Vision and tells them that if Jim Hammond was buried at that funeral it pretty much completely disproves the idea that Vision was ever Human Torch.

Vision is game to pursuing the lead but he is confused because more needs to be retconned. See, he was recognized as the Torch by a Sentinel and by the ghost of the original Torch.

What does that meeeeeean?

Hank suggests that the Sentinel was just mistaken because its primary function is to find mutants, not identify androids.

As for that Ghost Human Torch... well, that's suspect isn't it? The Ghost Human Torch was in the Legion of the Unliving with Ghost Wonder Man, before Wonder Man was retconned to have been in a kind of stasis, not dead. Plus, Immortus was involved. He seems to be involved a lot.

Hank wonders aloud why Immortus would have gone to such length to make Vision think he was the Human Torch.

Immortus happens to be watching on his time monitors.

Immortus: "You are only now beginning to see the culmination of a plan set in motion long, long ago. A plan which, when it achieves fruition, will make Immortus truly that which I have always claimed to be... THE ABSOLUTE MASTER OF TIME ITSELF!"

Yes but do you have a TARDIS?

Meanwhile, at the Anvil Pictures offices, Martin Preston, studio boss, is lurking in his office musing how everything he's done up to this point has been fruitless. But being trapped in Mephisto's realm has made things clear to him.

Martin Preston: "Let the Avengers count the hours of their last days! When next we meet, it will be MASTER PANDEMONIUM who is triumphant!"

Oh, hey, this guy.

I knew he was in show-biz but I thought he was an actor. He runs a big movie company? Good for him. Shame about all the cursed future knowledge I have.

Also, he looks different than last we saw him. And his powers seem to be different. While gloating to no one that he'll beat up the Avengers, he turns his arm into a demon arm.

But Master Pandemonium turns his arms into whole-ass demons. An entire demon pulled out of his sleeve like a very impressive magic show.

Turning his arm demon-y but not turning it into an entire demon that just pops off and goes to do its thing just isn't as goofy. I cannot approve of it.

Later, the Avengers West Coast land in Pleasantville. Hank Pym goes to talk to the mayor to get permission to exhume the Human Torch.

The mayor is having difficulty with this request because he doesn't even know where to start to approve exhuming a grave that doesn't exist on record for a cemetery that closed thirty years before the grave that doesn't exist was dug there.

Meanwhile, Wasp, Wonder Man, Vision, and Scarlet Witch preemptively find the Human Torch's grave.

And, yeah, the gravestone says Human Torch instead of Jim Hammon.

Vision decides to intangible into the coffin to check if Jim Hammond, Human Torch, really is buried here.

Wasp and Wonder Man find this distasteful. To just intrude on someone's grave like that...

But Vision is able to report a body that looks like Jim Hammond and hasn't decomposed the way a meat body would.

Wanda asks, okay so there's a Human Torch-looking guy buried here. So, what? What are we going to do about it?

Wonder Man says they have to wait for Hank to get permission to exhume the grave.

Scarlet Witch: "The Scarlet Witch will not be bound by human bureaucracy!"

Then she blows up the grave.

Okay, okay.

The explosion is more like a streak of flame erupting into the skies. Wonder Man flies off to see if that is the Human Torch.

Also, Wasp takes note of Wanda specifying human bureaucracy.

Meanwhile again, back at the Avengers West Coast Compound.

Lauren Timm, Billy and Tommy's governess, has lost the children. Again. She didn't tell Wanda when it happened the first time because Wanda has obtained a reputation for firing governesses at the drop of a hat and dammit Lauren needs this job!

While she's looking for Billy and Tommy, the skies suddenly goes dark and Agatha Harkness appears at the door, announcing that she's here to help with "your most difficult charges..."

Hi, Agatha. Didn't you die?

Oh, well, never keeps you down long.

Back over at the A-plot, if a plot is what you could call it, Wonder Man chases down the robot Human Torch.

He yells to the very confused robot man that he's a friend and wants to help him so the Torch stops and is like a friend, neat.

The robot Human Torch hasn't heard of the Avengers. He's barely heard of the Fantastic Four, remembering them simply as "four people with fantastic powers" from his last stint at being alive.

But he comes back with Wonder Man.

It seems like there could be an awkward moment introducing the Human Torch to the Vision, what with all the maybe history that might be between them.

But the Vision doesn't have the emotional capacity to have robo-angst (which makes him the worst Vision. Robo-angst is Vision's thing!) and nobody gives a shit about Wanda giving the Human Torch the stink-eye for existing.

Nobody gives a shit about Wanda is this run's thing.

The Torch feels like he knows Vision, which makes their maybe history even more confusing based on what we currently know.

And Hank Pym decides to Explain It All. Back at the Avengers West Coast Compound.

FOR SOME REASON, HE STARTS WITH NOVA.

No, not the space one. Er, I mean, not THAT space one, with the helmet. Frankie Raye. Who was Johnny Storm Human Torch's girlfriend with a dark secret and the dark secret turned out to be that she had fire power. And then she went into space to date Galactus.

INCREDIBLY WEIRD CHARACTER ARC.

Anyway, Frankie told the Fantastic Four that Professor Horton was her step-father. Creator of the robot Human Torch Professor Horton. And he was downright miffed when the human Human Torch started his career.

Horton took Frankie to a warehouse to show her all his robot Human Torch creating aparatus and then Frankie spilled chemicals all over herself.

Somehow the chemicals set her on fire without hurting her and she became a female Human Torch but she went by Nova. And then she went off to go mack on Galactus.

Wanda asks the very pertinent question of what the fuck this has to do with anything.

So Hank says his best guesstimate er scientific theory is that Ultron made Vision out of the leftover Human Torch creating molds and chemicals. And that's why that Sentinel identified Vision as being the same age as the Torch AND why Hank himself recognized parts of Vision as World War 2 vintage AND that's why Vision seems familiar to the real, true, actual, no foolin' robot Human Torch.

Vision was made out of Human Torch spare parts!

IT ALL MAKES SENSE!

Except for the part where Professor Horton claimed that Vision wasn't his work. And you'd think he'd recognize the components if they were just shit from his warehouse.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT IT ALL MAKES SENSE SHUT UP.

I'll give the retcon this much.

It TRIES to thread the needle between leaving robot Human Torch available to be brought back and still having Vision's origin Human Torch adjacent.

I think. That if the set-up had been framed differently, it would be less aggravating.

If instead of hammering in that all of Vision's backstory was lies and having Professor Horton show up to point at Vision and go 'the fuck is this??', if the Human Torch's resurrection was what prompted the questions into Vision's origin. That I think would go over better.

Anyway, Wasp declares this retcon is stupendous and very believable. And gives Hank a congratulatory kiss, which he reacts to by abashedly protesting "Ja-a-an...!"

You two are too old to be acting like high school sweeties. And too divorced.

Anyway again, Wasp predicted that this would somehow end in the Human Torch's resurrection. I DON'T KNOW HOW. WASP JUST KNOWS.

SHE MADE JIM HAMMOND ROBOT HUMAN TORCH A COSTUME.

JUST IN CASE.

My theory is that she looked at the roster box on the cover and saw the Human Torch there.

Because he is.

Resurrected and included in the roster box on the cover. Foregone conclusion.

Wasp invites him to the Avengers, without really asking him if he wants to be. He does want to be but what an assumption. He might want to spend some time getting used to the modern world or looking for old friends. Maybe look into Professor Horton.

But Wasp knows things. She saw the roster box. He's gonna be on the team.

US Agent seconds the sentiment and turns it into an actual invite and Jim Hammond accepts.

He even gets an echo of Vision crying and pretending he's not when he was invited to join, all those issues ago.

I was prepared to give credit for the subtle allusion except on the next page Wasp makes it a blatant reference.

Wasp: "Hey, don't go all macho on us now, Torch! This is the 80's! Men are allowed to show their emotions now. Why... I guess you'd say even an android can cry!"

Stop trying to make you not my favorite character, Wasp.

... Oh my god. In the panel where Wasp says the thing, Hank and Jim are standing right next to each other and they're the same person.

-points accusingly- SAME FACE SYNDROME.

Brave artistic choice to put these two people on the same team when you can't tell them apart except by clothes.

Jim Hammond doesn't get to enjoy the warm fuzzies of joining a superhero team again because they're interrupted by the sound of someone circling the building overhead.

After months away from the team due to that whole awkward international criminal thing,

Yay!

This is getting to be a pretty big superhero team for a team that doesn't do anything.

US Agent, Wonder Man, Wasp, Dr Hank Pym, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Robot Human Torch, Tigra, maybe Iron Man.

Maybe the reason they haven't been doing anything is because crime, all of crime, looked at that lineup and went 'no thank you.'

Anyway.

Bringing back the Human Torch is pretty blatantly what Byrne wanted to do all along. The path to get there was painful and badly written. The path to get it done was the same.

I mean, one of the oldest heroes in Marvel and he's resurrected because Wanda blows up his grave in a fit of pique? That's his grand return? Sheesh.

Still, I'm trying to be open-minded. I want to see how Jim fits in with the team. How he interacts, who he meshes and clashes with.

Wanda seems pissed at his existence. Surely that will lead to good material.

Is Iron Man rejoining the team? I hope so. I like Iron Man. I want to see him walk into the situation that the Avengers West Coast are in and react like 'i was gone maybe ten minutes!'

Follow @essential-avengers because I said so. Or because you want to. Like, reblog, comment, juggle. Things you can do.

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roanniee · 3 years

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SO.

Let's try this again🤸🏻

Also Idil vibes strong on this one. I can't say Gil bc Gil calls Ate Sel smth specific like she does with me.

Ship the @mythos-blogs Crew

ps. here's the server <3

@admiringlove

Baby Sam is very hard working and focused on whatever she's doing that sometimes, she forgets to take care of herself. So, I see Sugawara Koushi with her perfectly, someone caring and understanding, but knows better than to let her overwork and tells her when enough is enough. The both of you do struggle with a few things, and when you fight or have insecure moments, you sit down to talk about it instead of shouting at each other. Overall, a really good match I say.

Baby Sam also kins Oikawa and I ship Oikawa hardcore with Suga LMAO

@ninjamomo

Me. That's my wife <333

Okay but for realsies. I ship Idil with Bokuto Koutarou. Bokuto and Idil would be just... soft love. I see dancing in the rain, bathtub relaxation hours together and cuddling in bed. Idil knows that Bokuto is a busy man, and Bokuto knows he is a busy man. But that doesn't mean that they were gonna let the relationship go. Oh no. Those two will hold on like a cat with his claws on the couch. A really really soft, supportive and strong love.

@tooru-luvs

I actually had a hard time with Ms. Zizi. See, I haven't interacted with her much. But, based on the interactions of hers that I see on my tl, I can see that she is very playful but also can be serious. Hence, why I say that she'd be amazing with Kuroo Tetsurou. Kuroo is playful and an overall gremlin, but he's very caring ang knows exactly when to be serious and how serious. He'll help her with anything he can help her with, but he also knows when no to because it's something Zizi needs to do for herself. Likewise, Zizi knows when to be cheery to make Kuroo smile, but also when to sit and talk to Kuroo about a delicate matter. They'd both ground each other, while matching the same playful energy.

@rokudaddie

HEY I CAN TAG HER NOW KSKSKS

ME ME ME ME ME

anyways hehe. Gly. Lovely, sweet, Gly. She's very caring, but my god does she also enjoy chaos. Hence, I'm putting her with Hoshiumi Korai. We all know Hoshiumi is a little gremlin with a heart of gold. The way these two are together would be immaculate. They're chaos together, but even with all the chaos, they have time to look at the other to make sure they're okay. PLUSSS! Hoshiumi will always unconsciously be touching Gly, just to make sure that she's there. Gly would unconsciously make sure that Hoshiumi is in her peripheral vision too.

@moonlit-island

Ooooh Raya! Raya is so damn sweet and caring and uplifting. I love her sm. Hehehe anyway I ship her with Tsukishima Kei. The Tarot cards said so, and so did the zodiac signs. SKSKS Anyway! Yes, a really good match. Raya's got a really good head on her shoulders, but I see her watching all the chaos from the sidelines, much like Tsukishima. When they're together, they'd start the chaos and then sit back and eat popcorn as they watch the world burn.

@laineeey00

Ate Laine? Some will definitely say Kita, because it's Ate Laine, but I say Hirugami Sachiro. Hirugami would be such a good man for Ate Laine. I imagine them sitting down in the living room, books spread out on the table. Just silence while studying, but every now and then, one of them would look up to look at the other, smile and then return back to what they were doing. Ate Laine makes sure that Hirugami takes breaks and Hirugami makes sure that Ate Laine isn't stressing so much. Just so cute honestly.

@betheydocrimewrites

Ah, Adult Sam. Hmmm. Adult Sam is a whirlwind of chaos and sweet, sweet angst. I definitely see them with darling Yamaguchi Tadashi. I see them in bed, Sam on his laptop, and him just hugging them tight when something they were writing was choking them up. But, Sam is just overall an amazing person that they deserve someone so sweet and caring like Yamaguchi. Obvi, it is reciprocated, and I see such a sweet love in the works.

@melsun

Oooh. Alice.

Melian and Matsukawa Issei would make a very interesting pairing. Both independent yet still co-dependent on each other. Melian knows how to calm Matsukawa after a tough day at work, and Matsukawa knows how to keep Melian from stressing. Matsukawa would also hype Melian up so much?? Like any outfit Melian wears, Matsukawa's right there telling them how good and amazing they look and how well they matched the outfit up. Honestly, just a very functional household and I love that.

@lovemeian

oh oof Lavi. I want to say Meian but for reasons I cannot disclose, I won't say that for now. I will say though, that she will be so good with Dabi. Lavi has a few things she needs to work on, and Dabi is always there for her. Actually lbr, they both have issues to work on, but I feel like together, they'd overcome that. I feel like they'd?? Actually be so understanding of each other that it shocks and confuses others bc?? hello it's Dabi?? but yes, a really good match.

@writewithmarites

Me <3

Severus Snape. Ate Tes is chaotic. I'm sorry but her default in the server is chaos, especially with the bot around HAHAHAHA but anyway! Severus would be so good to ground Ate Tes, keep her from getting a little too chaotic BUT ALSO, he can help her when she's not taking care of herself. She also helpes him with his potions, and it makes the job easier on him. But of course, Severus is a slytherin, and most of the time he'd be the one inciting the chaos and we just don't know it. Anyway, Ate Tes is honestly so wonderful and I love her sm and she deserves someone to tame like the serious, bratty, angsty Severus Snape. <333

@saudade-mayari

ME. AGAIN LMAO. <3

ANYWAY

Nozel Silva. Nozel and Ate Sel. Oh gosh what a thought. Nozel is....arrogant, prideful, and he sees himself as someone more important than others. But, the man does know respect and he does care for people, especially Ate Sel. I have no doubts that Ate Sel can make that man kneel and follow her wishes, but I also know that Ate Sel would not let this man get away with his arrogance and pride. Nozel cares for her a lot. She's his partner, the carrier of the future of House Silva, and the only one that has caught his attention. He loves her, and that man would drop nearly everything for her.

@risumu

Eris! Eribabe and Ojiro Aran. Idek why. But the vibes would be so immaculate. I see road trips and early morning dancing in the kitchen to an indie song one of them is hyperfixated on. I also see late night walks to the convenience store, holding hands and just silence? Basking in each other's prescence. Eris definitely steals Aran's sweaters to the point that Aran buys two of his sizes so he can interchange them. One to give to Eris when the one she took doesn't smell like him anymore. Love all over the place.

@sunarent

Mel. That's it.

Okay but also, I see Iwaizumi Hajime. I was thinking about Suna but the more I think back about the things I know about Ali and our interactions, I see Iwa. I feel like they'd understand each other so much. And the love isn't seen much, not because they don't love each other, but because it's something they need to say really. It's more shown in the touches and kisses and cuddling. They know that they love each each other, and that's enough for them.

@tetsvhoe

Honestly I want to say Kuroo but.

Kozume Kenma. Gwennie works so hard and stresses so much. Her sleeping sched is unavailable lmao. Kenma would be so good for her because he knows how it is, to be stressed and not have an actual sleeping sched. I feel like they'd be good together. In all honesty, they'd probably take care of each other more than they would themselves but no one is complaining really.

@slutbench

MY BABYYYY. MY DAUGHTER. I LOVE YOU SM AND I SWEAR I'M NOT MAD.

I ship you with...

Azumane Asahi. Why? Because you remind me of Noya sometimes. Very energetic, a little bit of low moments and just a ball of sunshine in general. Asahi is perfect for you, Mija. He'd be able to just connect with her in ways others just don't understand. People would say that Asahi is too...soft? They'd say someone like Daicho or maybe Bokuto would be better for you, Mija, but really, he's perfect. Asahi and Gil. He balances her out in so many ways, even if no one else can see it.

@ushisrever

NIA!

Ushijima Wakatoshi. Really, the two of them are perfect. Stoic, quiet, can be chaotic. Very protective, even if the two deny it. Nia, you and Ushi are like...pillars? Support? Quiet, unmovable, but still, everyone knows you're both there, and you don't really leave people's minds. I see the two feeding off of each other's energy, especially when it comes to protecting others that they care about. (Looking at you, Lavi) I see hours where it's just her watching him playing in the background and he just looks at her, smiles, and then goes back to playing. It's really cute.

@sumebreaks

MAIA! HI! We haven't interacted much, I'm so sorry for that sweets. bUT BUT BUT!!!!

You're so sweet and caring and loving??? I really see you with Miya Atsumu! I see Tsumu bugging you to take a break and give him attention. BUT! I also see you?? Bugging him, telling him to get off the court or he's sleeping on the couch HAHAHA I feel like you two really just? Connect. Both playful, both caring, both are busy with their own things so there's not too much expectations that cannot be met for now. Idk I really see a love that's always there, no matter how busy they get.

@vindictivtsumu

AAAAAH DEVON HUN!

I love Devon and their writing so much??? Omg. Yknow who would be amazing with them? Akaashi Keiji. Akaashi is very articulate and just overall book smart in my opinion, and I see that him and Devon would fit so well. He is Devon's personal beta reader HAHAHAH BUT!!!!! Devon also watches Akaashi edit and points out anything that he missed. I see days when they're just sitting there, talking softly to each other that the sound of typing was louder. But that's okay bc you both are content and happy and in love.

@ricflairdrip20

I just met you not even 24 hours ago hehehe HIIII

I will not lie.

I asked for help from Ate Sel HAHAHHAHA

But!!!! She says Ukai Keishin, and honestly I see it. The nsfw-rp channel is the reason why and I'm not saying more HAHAHAHA I see nights when it's Keishin and her just? Idk having fun and being kids bc lbr that man can be a kid sometimes. I also see them taking care of each other in unconventional ways, ways that would not be okay for others, but it's her love language with him. V v v domestic.

I HOPE Y'ALL MYTHOS CREW LIKED THAT MATCHING UP BYE

#castledorms #merguest: anonymous #mythos #this is what i do instead of sleeping #this drained my braincells bye

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bustyasianbeautiespod · 2 years

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Episode 21 Transcript: You're Not Becoming a JDM Fucker and Sucker

[intro guitar music]

G: Hello, my name is Grey.

C: And my name is Crystal.

G: And this is Busty Asian Beauties, a Supernatural commentary podcast, where I, someone who has seen this show several times...

C: And I, someone who only knows the show through social media, discuss every single episode of Supernatural from start to finish. Also, we are both Asian.

G: Both Asian!

G: So for today's episode, we will be discussing Season 1, Episode 21: "Salvation," written by Sera Gamble and Raelle Tucker, directed by Robert Singer. Hi, Robert Singer! [laughs]

C: When do Sera and Raelle break up? Because I feel like future Sera Gamble episodes are just her, right?

G: Yeah. Let's see. Let's look up Raelle Tucker.

C: Oh, okay, I think Raelle Tucker left at the end of [together] season 2.

Yeah, I don't know if that helped or worsened the quality of Sera Gamble's writing.

G: Yeah, we'll figure it out when [overlapping] we get to it.

G: Before everything, I just wanna remind everyone that we are gonna be doing a Q&A. The deadline for submission of questions is April 2, 23:59 Eastern Time. And we will be accepting questions through all our social medias. Extra details about this, you can find at the description of the podcast and in our socials. So yeah, send us questions!

Okay, so before going in, Crystal, what did you know about this episode?

C: I know generally what happens in the finale of season 1 but not really how it is separated by episode, but I did know that they were gonna go to a city or town called Salvation where people are being killed like Mary was, and I knew that we were going to see Meg and her brother or something. And then everything else I know I think is gonna happen next week, including Johnazazel for realsies [laughs] and a car crash.

G: That's for next week, though. This week, we have a pretty boring episode. [laughs] Sorry, Sera Gamble and Raelle Tucker, but this episode kind of sucks. We'll get to it.

Okay, so for "The Road So Far." Oh my god! [laughs] It's "Carry On, My Wayward Son"!

C: It is.

G: I have such a relationship with this song, because, you know, like, growing up a Supernatural fan, this song is inescapable, like, just in my psyche, it's always playing. [laughs] No, I mean like, in the show it's inescapable. But hearing it for the first time really again, for the first time in this rewatch, really is so much fun. It's like, "Oh, throwback to when this wasn't a thing thing because they haven't played it in the finale finale"-

C: Oh, god.

G: But it becomes one. It's interesting that they played this song in the- in episode 21 instead of 22.

C: Right. Because there is no peace, and we are not done.

G: Yeah, no, but also - did you know that they play this every season finale?

C: It- doesn't it happen at the beginning of every season, with the, like, "here's what's been happening"?

G: No, no, at the season finale of every season, they play this.

C: Oh, well, that's kind of boring.

G: Yeah. [laughs] Except for season 15, for some fucking reason- ugh. We'll get into it.

C: In 3 years.

G: They do "Carry On, My Wayward Son" this episode, and the editing is actually pretty good! Like, it's so much fun. I listed down the parts that I like. So I really like the part where it's going "just to get a glimpse behind this illusion," and then the beat is on time with Sam and Dean hugging John. I was like, "Cool!"

C: [laughs] We are such AMV-makers. [both laugh]

G: I also really like the part where the lyrics go, "I hear the voices when I'm dreaming, I can hear them say," and then it's Sam having visions and dreaming about Jess dying. I was like, "Yes! Yes." [laughs] I had so much fun. I watched it two times.

C: I like that it ended on "don't you cry no more" with Sam sort of holding back tears.

G: Yeah! It's a good "Road So Far." That's like, the best the episode gets. [both laugh]

C: It's not that bad!

G: I know, but like, I'm just a bit disappointed because like, I told you the other recording that, like, the next few episodes are all gonna be good, and then you didn't like "Provenance," and now I don't really like this one that much, so I'm a bit disappointed that it's not as good as I hoped. But yeah, let's start with the actual episode.

G: We start in Blue Earth, Minnesota.

C: Which is a great name for a town.

G: We see a man of the cloth, I guess. I don't know what to call it, like, is it a priest?

C: Well, they call him Pastor Jim, so I'm assuming he's a pastor.

G: Yeah. We'll call him "pastor." But like, he's wearing the priest outfit. Do pastors wear the priest outfit as well?

C: I am not familiar with Christianity.

G: Yeah. Like, I looked it up, and apparently there are people who are called pastors in the Catholic circle. But in the Philippines, when we say "pastor," it's for non-Catholics, so like, I suppose he is non-Catholic? Maybe. I don't know. [laughs] Anyway, that doesn't matter. We see a guy who is, you know, wearing a holy man outfit [C laughs], and he's flipping through the Bible, when suddenly, wind starts blowing and Meg enters the church.

The man asks what she's here for, and Meg says, "I've done some things. Not good things." And the man reassures her that it's okay, there's salvation for everyone, especially sinners. He asks her to say what's on her mind, and Meg says, "I've lied. Stolen. Lusted. And just the other day, I met a nice guy. We had a really good chat. And then I slit his throat and ripped his heart out from his chest."

C: God bless.

G: Her eyes turn black, and she continues, "Does that make me a bad person?" [laughs] Okay. [laughs] Go, Meg!

C: That's the best that this episode gets, is what I think.

G: Go, Meg! And the man, obviously alarmed, says, "I know who you are. You can't be here. This is hallowed ground." And Meg says, "That may work with minor leagues, but not with me." So the guy starts running, and we see him lock a door and go to his array of guns and other weapons. Meg kicks down the door [laughing] in a scene that reminded me of-

C: - is in a lot of AMVs.

G: No, actually, it reminded me of-

C: Oh, the Candace- the Candace meme?

G: No!

C: Then what?

G: [laughing] Stop interrupting me.

C: [laughing] Sorry!

G: It reminded me- it reminded me of that scene of demon Dean kicking down a door, and that is used-

C: Is it because of the Anastasia TikTok?

G: Yes! [C starts laughing] Because it's used by Anastasia Jane a lot. If you don't know what we're talking about, go on TikTok right now and look up and look up Anastasia Jane.

C: Do not go on TikTok right now.

G: She is an icon!

C: And do not go to tiktok.com/@anastasia.jane.

G: She is an icon! I love her work so much. [C starts laughing] Anastasia Jane, if you're listening to this podcast, I'm a big fan of your work.

C: [laughing] Anastasia Jane would not listen to this podcast because we actively want the actor men to die, and she actively wants them inside of her. [both laugh]

G: I really like the one where "GUY.exe" is playing and she's objectifying Cas. I love that- I love that one so much.

C: Yes, in the laundry room, yes.

G: Yes. [laughs] Anyway.

The man picks up a knife and throws it in Meg's direction, and she catches it, and says, "You throw like a girl." [laughs] Misogyny point for Meg.

C: What was the point of that? Literally what was the point of that?

G: I mean- No, I mean like, I get it. She's taunting him, right?

C: Yeah, but it's just- I don't know. It's- okay 'cause like, Meg is a villain this season, but very clearly a gendered villain in the way that she like, sexualizes the boys, etc. So like, was this- I know that this was supposed to be funny, but I guess, this was also like, her, like, hashtag "not like other girls" moment?

G: Yeah. I see what you mean.

C: Right, it's like- yeah, she's like, "I'm evil and cool and I hate women, so that's why I'm a main character."

G: She is not like any other girl to me. [both laugh]

C: I mean, same here, but it means something different. [both laugh]

C: Okay, also, something I do not get- Okay, this is a pastor, right? You're telling me this guy doesn't know a fucking exorcism? A single one?

G: Isn't- that's like, a specialization. Exorcism is not something any pastor or priest can do.

C: Okay, but like, he knows about demons, he is a hunter of sorts.

G: Oh yeah, that's true. Like, Sam can do it.

C: Yeah, if Sam can do it, then Pastor Jim should know his way around some Latin.

G: Meg asks Pastor Jim if he knows where the Winchesters are at, and he says he hasn't spoken to John Winchester in a year, and even if he knew where they were, he'd never tell Meg. Meg says, "I know," and slits his throat. And he dies.

C: Go Meg!

G: I really like that like, her intention here wasn't to get information out of Pastor Jim, but it was to kill him to basically taunt the Winchesters, like-

C: 'Cause in "Shadow," right, she kills two people for like, no particular reason, except to get John over here, and she has her whole like, "baby, I've killed a lot more for a lot less" line. Like, here she is killing a lot more for a lot less. Go Meg!

C: We get to a motel room, which is covered in research that John has done on the yellow-eyed demon, since we don't know his name yet. And he's sitting there with Sam and Dean. He says that there's been no trace of the demon until last year, and as soon as he picked up the trail, he took off. And basically, this demon goes after families, burns their houses to the ground, specifically on the night of an infant in the house's six-month birthday. Sam asks, "I was six months old that night?" and John says, "Exactly six months." And Sam says, "So, basically, this demon is going after these kids for some reason, the same way it came for me." And then he starts tearing up a bit, and he goes, "So Mom's death. Jessica. It's all because of me." Sammy! Aww. God, because he feared this in- "Nightmare"? Is that what the name was?

G: Yeah.

C: Yeah, yeah, he feared this in "Nightmare," and Dean was like, "No, it's not about you," blah blah blah, but like, nah. It's about him. Sorry, Sammy.

G: It is about him.

C: Yeah. He and Dean start getting into an argument, where Dean says, "We don't know that it's your fault," and Sam says that it's his fault- it's not his fault, but it is his problem. And Dean says, "No, it's not your problem, it's our problem." John breaks up the fight-

G: I wrote in my notes, "A screaming match at the beginning of the episode? This is why John left, you guys." [both laughing] Like, I also was irritated that they were screaming at each other at the beginning of the episode? Like, wait until the second half.

C: Yeah, where's the buildup?

G: Yeah!

C: Where's the buildup? I don't get it. It's- yeah, no, exactly. You know that Tweet that's like, "Why are we always so hard on deadbeat dads. What if the kids just had bad vibes?" [both laugh]

G: Exactly. Sam and Dean literally just had bad vibes.

C: [overlapping] Literally what if Sam and Dean just had bad vibes.

They- so John tells them that there are signs before a house burns down. There are like, cattle deaths and electrical storms. Why do you think there are cattle deaths and electrical storms? Is Azazel just a drama queen?

G: I don't know. What is an electric storm?

C: I don't even know. Like, is that just like a thunderstorm, like with lightning?

G: [laughing] I-

C: [laughing] I don't know!

G: I- the cattle death, that's like- that's like, a bad omen, right? Like, traditionally, that's a bad omen. So I think it's less that the demons are causing it like, they're eating the cattle, but more like, the ground around them is suffering because they're such evil spirits.

C: Yeah. That makes sense. That's kind of cool.

And apparently all these bad omens happened a week before Mary died in Lawrence and a week before Jessica died in Palo Alto. And they're starting again in Salvation, Iowa.

G: And I love that the name of the ep is "Salvation" because it takes place in Salvation, Iowa? Like- [both laugh] I'm sure- I'm sure like, if you look into it there's gonna be a deeper meaning or whatever the fuck. Do do you think there is, or is it really just because it's Salvation, Iowa.

C: Well, they mention salvation in the Meg opening scene too, right?

G: Yes, they do.

C: - where Pastor Jim says there's salvation for everyone, so I- okay, I think that Sera Gamble and Raelle Tucker thought that they were being very clever, but they didn't actually weave the theme of salvation into this episode very well.

G: So we start a driving scene of what Crystal has said to be Papa Truck and Baby Impala over really atrocious guitar riffs.

C: I know! It's so- the fucking music is so bad.

G: This episode, it's extremely bad. It's so much. While they're driving, we pass by a sign that they linger on for so long. It says, "Leaving Salvation: The Heartland of America. Are you ready for judgment day?" What the fuck is "J.W." in the Bible? I was like- [overlapping] John Winchester? Let's look it up. I should know this because I hail from a Catholic school, and like, we had to memorize the sequence of the Bible books.

C: Yeah, I looked up "Bible JW" and all I'm getting is Jehovah's Witness.

G: Oh, maybe it is not a Bible thing. But it's a Bible verse, like, "2:27."

C: Yeah, that's true. Okay, I looked it up, and it says that that's not actually in the Bible. [laughs]

G: So it's really John Winchester.

C: It's literally John Winchester.

G: It's John Winchester saying this. Papa Truck- so John- pulls aside. I need- [laughs] in my notes, every time the truck shows up, I call it Papa Truck. [both laugh] But John pulls aside, and Dean follows. John gets out of his car and looks visibly upset. Dean asks him what's up, and John reveals that Caleb called, and Jim Murphy, AKA Pastor Jim, is dead.

C: Oh, one thing- so the camera is first focused on Dean with Sam like, very blurry in the background. And then, as soon as John says "Jim Murphy is dead," the camera like, fwomps- like, it completely blurs out Dean and just like, focuses on Sam, and it's just such a funny visual. Like, I feel like, this camera went really hard on the blurs this episode. Like, this is like, a fucking like, Zoom background effect.

G: I forgot to mention, but there are- at the beginning of the episode, the one where John is like, pointing out his research, the camerawork is also pretty... it's like zooming in on everything, and there was a scene where like- there was a shot where it's like- it's really zoomed in on the eye of the animal head on the wall.

C: Yeah. For what?

G: And for- I genuinely thought it was Dean, and I was like, "Why is Dean's face so weird?" [laughs] And then I had to turn it back over and over again until I realized that it's like, the animal on the wall. Anyway.

C: Yeah. Robert Singer made choices today.

G: Yeah. Isn't Robert Singer the one who is famous for his zooms?

C: Oh, oh! Like at the end of "The Man"-

G: Season 6.

C: Yeah. [laughs] So funny.

G: We should start a zoom counter for Robert Singer. [both laugh] Unfortunately, I didn't notice any in this episode, but we'll get to it when we get to it.

So John relays what we know, which is that Pastor Jim's throat was slashed and he bled to death, and there were traces of sulfur in the place, so this is a demon. Dean asks if it's the demon, and John says, "Maybe it slipped up. It knows that we're getting close." Now, John says they have to act like every second counts. They'll split the hospital and health center in the county and figure out the babies about to turn six months old next week. And Sam says, like, "That would be a dozen of kids. How are we going to know who's getting attacked?" And John says they'll check everything, and asks if Sam has better ideas, so meanly.

C: Mm-hm.

G: Like he feels so attacked. [both laugh] And I was like, "John, calm down."

C: I mean, well, his ex-boyfriend died last episode, and his ex-boyfriend died this episode. Like, I get it. [both laugh]

G: He is a pastor! Are pastors celibate? Is that a thing?

C: It didn't have to be a sexual boyfriend. [both laugh]

G: No, I- I'm just asking.

C: I don't know.

G: Yeah. I don't know if non-Catholic pastors are celibate. Anyway. Sam says, like, "No, sir," and then they leave it at that. And John starts to walk back to the car, but he stands in agony in front of his car door. [both laugh] And he does a little pained face. And I was like- Okay, Crystal, do you think JDM is a good actor?

C: Um, I literally wrote down here, "Are we gonna get any flashbacks showing why John cares about Jim so much, or are we just supposed to believe JDM's bad acting?" [laughs]

G: He is a bad actor! And like, I get that he was in other shows and other projects, where people know him, so I suppose he's good at that, but like, in season 1 of Supernatural he's like- he's- he's kinda bad, bro.

C: It's because he's trying to play, like, the parent to like, [laughing] actors who he's only like, six years older than or something.

G: Is that for real?

C: Maybe 10 years older? But he's not that much older than them. Like, JDM, let me check his age.

G: I read- I read a fun fact the other day that like, when he returned in "Lebanon," he was 52. Like, JDM was 52, which was the age that John Winchester was supposed to be at the beginning of the show.

C: Oh. That's fun. Okay he's- he's like, 12 years older than Jensen Ackles. So yeah, he could not have birthed Dean. [both laugh] Hashtag trans John truthing.

G: Dean notices that John is upset, and he asks very nicely, "Dad?" Aww [pained sounds]. And then John turns around and says, "It's Jim. I can't-" [C laughs] and then he stops. And then he says-

C: He's lost two ex-boyfriends in a week, and he's about to lose a third.

G: He stops and he says, "This ends now. I'm ending it. I don't care what it takes." So John and Dean keep on driving.

C: Yep. So we get scenes of, basically, John, Sam, and Dean showing up to the three hospitals and looking for records. John's- I don't know, being boring. He just has an ID, he's going in. Sam is going through birth certificate information and copying it down.

G: Did you see the name?

C: Oh, no, what was the name?

G: It's Mary Ann Liu again. [laughs]

C: Oh my god!

G: They don't know any other Asian names. But like, the real reason is Mary Ann Liu is the head graphic designer of Supernatural. I looked it up.

C: Which is really embarrassing.

G: What- what- [laughs] Yeah!

C: [laughing] Like, we've seen those posters, Mary Ann Liu. Like, as a fellow Chinese person, I'm asking you to give our people a little more pride. [G laughs]

G: [laughing] I was like, "Wait, does that she mean she made the posters? Noo!"

C: Oh, Mary Ann Liu.

G: Also, the birth certificate said Colorado, and I was like, "Aren't they in Iowa?"

C: Yeah, they're definitely in Iowa.

G: So they're doing a bad job in set design. [laughs]

C: Yeah, I mean I appreciate all the props people who mess up because of all the times we get the "F" marker on Sam and Dean's fake IDs.

G: Yes, exactly.

C: Yeah, like, so true. They are trans.

So Dean is being very annoying. So he heads into the hospital and there is a receptionist there who is very pretty in the way that Supernatural women all look the same when they're pretty. And she asks, "Is there anything I can do for you?" And Dean says [together], "Oh, god, yes." Like in the creepiest fucking voice. Like, he is like, checking her out, he's like, very clearly like- like, he is like, sporting a boner, like, I know it. It's just so uncomfortable. And she's like, totally fine with this? And then he says, "Oh, but I'm working right now, so-" God, Dean.

So, Sam heads out of the hospital. He gets a vision!

G: And I was like, "Oh, no, he has to tell John. No."

C: I know! I was like- 'cause, okay, what I was thinking is that there's no way he's going to tell John because John will just shoot him with the Colt about it, so, like, obviously he's just gonna have to dig through records until he can like, come up with a good reason why he thinks that this is the house that they should check out. But no, he just tells John later. Sam has no self-preservation.

G: I feel like he still- he still trusts John.

C: Yeah, he does.

G: Like, to him, that's still Dad.

C: Yeah. [pained sounds]

In the vision, like, the demon is in a nursery. The nursery has some interesting decor with like, a jester thing hanging down and these moving dancers. Also, there's a woman in - gasp - a white nightgown in the room, looking out the window. And there's a train sound, etc, etc.

G: The train sound is so funny because it's nowhere near a train, right?

C: Yeah, I don't know. I don't see a train.

G: I also have no idea how the train plays into it. Like, Sam even looks at the map, and it's like, "Oh, the train is here." And then later, they go beside a train track. Like, when they were exchanging weapons before John goes away. But there's literally not a train beside the house, so I have no idea.

C: Yeah, no, like, where's the fun scene we get where they jump out of the window on top of the moving train? Subway Surfers natural. [G laughs] I used to be obsessed with that game. I got like all the characters. Because I wanted to buy up all the Asian girls- [laughing] oh, god, that sounds like a really bad sentence.

So yeah, Sam pulls out the map and I think he finds the house by finding houses near the train tracks. And he sees the house there, and he sees the woman from his vision there as well, taking her little baby along in a stroller.

G: The face Jared makes when Sam is having a vision [C laughs] is so funny. He like, scrunches his face, he raises his eyebrows, and he makes like, a little shocked face. Like, he's always like, [surprised whimper]. [C laughs] Yeah, exactly. That's the sound he makes when Sam gets a vision.

C: [laughing] And then he slicks and moans, "Alpha!" [laughing]

G: Nooooo! No. No. [both laugh]

G: So Sam approaches the woman and helps her out with her stuff so she can close her umbrella. And he's very nice about it. He starts to make small talk, asks if the baby is her kid, and he introduces himself and says he just moved up the block. The woman introduces herself as Monica and the baby as Baby Rosie. He continues to make small talk until we get to the essential part, which is that Baby Rosie is turning six months today. Sam has a little bit of an emo moment. And he's like, staring into the void while Monica's like, "Hello? Hello? Are you okay?" [laughs] And he tells Monica to take care of herself, and he says it really sincerely. And Monica- I like Monica's actor. I really d. She feels like a real person. Monica says, like, "We'll see you around," and then she proceeds to walk. And her husband has come home, and they greet him as Sam watches. And he gets another vision. So we are in the baby's room, with the same peculiar decor, and we see a clock stop. I don't recall if they made a point of stopping the clock in the pilot. Do they?

C: I just remember the- um, well, there were a lot of shots of the trains clock, so probably it stopped at some point, right?

G: Yeah, but this would make more sense if they didn't have that- if they didn't delete that scene of Dean like, driving, and then his clock stops, and that's how he knows that something's wrong, and then he drives back to Stanford.

C: Ohh.

G: That's like, a deleted scene in the pilot. So it's an established fact from that deleted scene that like, when something happens, the clock stops. I don't know, though, if it makes it to the episode itself.

C: Hm. That's cool.

G: Wind starts blowing in the room, and a man walks towards the crib. And Monica checks on the room and sees the man, and, at first, she, like, tries to call him out, but then she gets levitated to the ceiling, and as she is pinned up there, her lower abdomen starts bleeding, much like Mary and Jess, and the room catches fire.

C: Whoop. Oh, also during this whole scene, like, every time that Sam's done with a vision, and he's being like, a shivery little Victorian maiden about it, he like, tugs his jacket tighter around himself, and that's trans.

G: Like, because, when he was having the moment- when he was having the vision, the jacket was falling off his shoulder.

C: Ooh!

C: We go back to the motel, where it turns out Sam has told John about the visions. Bro. Bro. [G laughs] John seems unhappy about the situation. He doesn't really seem to be believing Sam. But then, when he tells him a bit more and Dean backs him up, and yeah, Sam says, "The closer I get to anything to do with the demon, the stronger the visions get." And John says to Dean, "When were you gonna tell me about this?" Which, oh, god, is really- like, Dean really is Sam's guard dog/keeper, huh? And then he tells Dean, "Something like this starts happening to your brother, you pick up the phone, and you call me."

G: Right after he said that, I paused and went, "Call you?!"

C: [laughs] Yeah.

G: You want to call you?! So when I pressed play, and Dean goes, "Call you?" I was like [claps] yes!

C: Yes Dean!

G: Fuck you, John! [laughs]

C: Yeah, no, Dean like- like, walks towards John, and says, "Call you? Are you kidding me? Dad, I called you from Lawrence, alright? Sam called you when I was dying!"

G: He knows about "Faith"!!

C: He knows!! He knows!!

G: Noo! No!

C: And the fact that he hasn't used it against John until this moment like, when he's- like, that also makes me feel things. Like, I feel he was trying not to hold it against him, and suddenly, he's snapping.

So he says, "Getting you on the phone? I got a better chance of winning the lottery." God, go Dean! But then John says, "You're right." Much like, he said, "You're right" to Dean saying, "Well, we saved your asses" in the last episode. He says, "Although I'm not too crazy about this new tone of yours, you're right. I'm sorry." And I think part of me is always gonna be grasping for a chance of John becoming a better person. So every time he apologizes, I'm like, "Yay! Maybe he won't tell Dean to kill Sam in two episodes!" But he will.

After this exchange, Sam's phone rings, and it's Meg. Sam asks who it is, and she says, "Think real hard. It'll come to you." Yeah, so Sam is shocked that Meg is still alive due to falling out of a window. She's not really engaging, and she demands that he let her speak to John because "it's time for the grown-ups to talk." John sort of reaches for the phone, so Sam gives it over. Meg says hi and that she's "a friend of your boys," and that she is also the one who watched Jim Murphy choke on his own blood. "Still there, John-boy?" And then Meg reveals that she's currently in Lincoln with another friend of John's. And they find out that it's Caleb. John demands that she let him go, but Meg says, like, "We know you have the Colt, John." And when John denies that, she says, "Okay. Well, listen to this." And then she slits Caleb's throat, and he is l- he is dead. She completely murders him.

G: Gurgling blood.

C: Yeah, he's drowning in blood! John, his third ex-boyfriend down for the week, cries, "Caleb! Caleb!" And Meg says, "Okay, let's try this again. We know you have the gun, so as far as we're concerned, you just declared war. And this is what war looks like. It has casualties." And she says that she's gonna go around continuing to kill all of his friends, anyone who has ever helped him or given him shelter anyone he's ever loved, unless he gives him- gives her the Colt. And the thing is, the only friends of John that we've like, ever heard of this entire season are Pastor Jim, Caleb, and like, Missouri, right?

G: Yeah. Oh no!

C: Meg should not have killed Caleb. Like, John has three friends. Like, she's gonna have nothing on him so soon.

G: Also, you know, at this point I realized that, "Oh, this episode is gonna be a bit John-centric." And I feel like, that's when I decided it was a boring episode. [both laughing]

C: So true.

G: Sorry, John.

C: So John agrees to Meg's terms. She says that there's a warehouse in Lincoln where they're gonna meet, and that he has to be there at midnight tonight even though John says that it's gonna take him a day's drive to get there. Is it actually that far?

G: Okay, let's look it up. Oh, it shows up, like, automatically. It's just a four-hour drive.

C: Yeah, okay so he's just trying to buy time. Also, I don't think Salvation is an actual city because it's not coming up on Google Maps.

G: Oh, yeah!

C: So they literally just did this for fun.

Right, so John still has to agree to the terms, and Meg says that he has to come alone. After she hangs up, she looks at Caleb's corpse and goes, "What the hell are you looking at?" [laughing] God bless.

G: So in the motel, Sam asked John if he thinks Meg is a demon.

C: Which is so funny. Like, we've known this for so long.

G: Yeah. Well, I mean, did we?

C: This is the first episode where we see her eyes turn black, so I guess it's possible that we didn't know, but like, come on, like, she is not a human. Like, we definitely know that.

G: Yeah. We've known since "Scarecrow" that John is hunting a demon. Meg is, you know, hunting John, so it's safe to assume she is a demon, so.

John says, like, "She is a demon or she's possessed by one. Doesn't really matter the difference."

C: It does matter.

G: Okay, John. [laughs] And the boys ask, like, "What do we do now?" And John says he's going to Lincoln. He says that if he doesn't go, all their friends will die.

C: All their one remaining friends.

G: And Sam argues that the demon is coming for Monica's family tonight, and that John can't just, you know, hand over the gun. John reveals his plan, which is that he won't hand over the gun. He'll hand over a fake gun.

C: I'm sure this has no issues.

G: Dean was like, "This is not a fool-proof plan, they're gonna know that it's fake," and John argues that like, "They've never seen the gun. They won't know."

C: Right, the thing is, if I was Meg, I would have like, a vampire tied up to like, practice shooting the gun at once.

G: Yeah, but maybe John is betting on the fact that it has limited bullets, so they won't waste it.

C: Maybe.

G: He says, "It's just to buy a few hours." And Sam, realizing what John means, says, "For Dean and me. You're buying a few hours for us. You want us to stay here and kill this demon by ourselves." And he is teary-eyed. He, like, he looks upset. Aww.

C: Aww.

G: Sam!

And John says, "No, I want to stop losing people we love. And I want you" - talking to Sam - "to go to school, and I want Dean to have a home."

C: [pained sounds] Maybe you shouldn't have stopped them from having either of those things, John!

G: The thing is, it reminded me of "Lebanon." Like, when John was talking to Dean, and he says, like, "This is not the life I wanted for you. I wanted you to have a fam- a home. I wanted you to have a family." Do you know what Dean responds to that?

C: "I have a family, Dad."

G: Yeah! And it like- like- Okay, I just want to put it out there that I am a "Lebanon" apologist. [both laugh] Are we- am I gonna get persecuted for that? Are we gonna lose listeners? I hope not.

C: I- well, I mean when we get to it, I haven't watched it yet, so maybe I'll hate it for the rest of you guys.

G: I actually really like "Lebanon," so that's my hot take of the day.

John turns around after saying all that, and this is the part where I was like, "He's a bad actor. He is." [C laughs] And- because I remember like, when I was younger like, in eighth grade, like, we had to film something for class, and I did the same trick of like, when there's an emotional scene, you turn around. [both laugh] Because it like- it makes it so dramatic. And I was like, "John is copying me!" [C laughs] Like, JDM's literally copying me right now.

With his back turned to the boys, he says, "I want Mary alive." And he turns to face his children again, and then he says, "I just want this to be over."

Cool. Cool, John.

C: You made it not over for 26 years- or 22 years. 23 now.

G: Yeah.

C: You made it not over for 23 years, John. Like, this is on you, bro.

C: So we're back outside, and they're prepping for tonight. Dean shows up with an antique gun, which looks pretty similar to the Colt, I would say. Dean says that "You know this is a trap, don't you?" But John says that he can handle her. And then Dean says, "Dad, promise me something. This thing goes south, just get the hell out. Don't get yourself killed, all right? You're no good to us dead." Aww. And John says, "Same goes for you." They all pause to look sad. John reveals that there's only four bullets left in the Colt, so they have to make every shot count. He says, "You make every shot count," which I know is foreshadowing for a scene that will absolutely wreck me next episode. John says, "Been waiting a long time for this fight. Now it's here, and I'm not gonna be in it. It's up to you boys, now. It's your fight, you finish this. You finish what I started. Understand?" I don't like this guy. [laughing] I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but I don't like John very much.

G: Also, like, this entire scene, Dean is looking very jaw clenched-

C: Kicked puppy.

G: Yeah, like kicked puppy, etc, etc, and all I can think of is like, "What does he do this episode?" Genuinely, what does Dean do this episode? He does the little speech he does at the end, he shouts at John in the beginning... Does he do anything this episode? Maybe that's why I thought it was boring.

C: Um, no. He flirts with a woman and I hate it. Oh, I didn't even try to get a misogyny point for that. Can I get a misogyny point for that?

G: No. He's just flirting.

C: He literally said, "Oh, god, yes," like, eyeing her up and down, like, that is harassment.

G: [sighs] Do you really think so? Or are you just vying for a point?

C: Uh, I kind of do, but-

G: Okay. You can give him a point, then.

C: Alright. Dean, as of episode 21 of Supernatural, has [overlapping] 32 points! [both laughing] And Sam still has 5.5.

G: [laughs] Sam has a 0.5?

C: For calling Cassie like, "some chick." We were being really defensive about Cassie.

So John hands the Colt off. Sam says, "We'll see you soon." John says, "I'll see you later." They drive off, and like, like, a full minute after and John has driven off, Dean says, "Later."

G: This scene, for some reason - I don't even know specifically why, but it reminded me - I don't know if I said this before in the podcast, but I have this, like, running thought about Sam that like, he is a leader type every- anywhere except for when he's with his family.

C: Yeah, you mentioned it in "Asylum."

G: Yeah. And, like, I never considered that the same is true for Dean with John. Like, he is a leader type, except when John is around. And I guess that makes sense because John is their father. It makes more sense than like, Dean and Sam, and Sam being subservient to Dean. But, like, I just had that thought, and I was like, "Oh, maybe if we had John around more, I would have hated Dean less." [both laugh]

C: Yeah, 'cause Dean's just a kicked puppy when John's around, like there's not too much to hate.

G: Yeah, he's literally a poor little meow meow. [C laughs]

C: He literally is.

G: Okay, so John arrives at the meet up spot, and as he gets out of his car, he brings out a Colt- the Colt- the fake Colt. And a rosary. So he looks at a steam... something? Like, a steam con- like, a water container, I guess.

C: Yeah, like a tank?

G: Yeah. A tank! Exactly.

John enters the building. John enters the building, and it's full of like, pipes and steam. And he, like, is looking around, trying to figure out how it all works. It's a boring scene, but it's- I guess it's relevant for exposition.

C: Yeah, I think they're trying to show that John's a good hunter, and I do think that the trick that he pulls in this episode is like, kind of fun.

G: So while he's walking around and trying to figure out how the thing works, we cut to Sam and Dean waiting outside the house. Sam is telling Dean that maybe they can tell Monica that there's a gas leak, and Dean says, like, "How many times has that actually worked for us?" Well, it didn't work once, in [overlapping] "Bugs," right? And you know what? Like, in Season 15, Episode 1, they pull the same trick. Gas leak. I'm pretty sure. And I'm just enamored that like, in season 15- in season 1, they were like, "The gas leak trick never works!" And then in season 15, it's like, the first thing in their arsenal. [C laughs] And it works!

Sam says like, "We could tell them the truth." And they both look at each other for a long period of time, and they go, "Nah. Nah, it's not gonna work." And the whole time, I was thinking like, "How many times did they have to shoot this scene?" Like, how many- like, the eye communication between Jensen and Jared of, like, "when are we gonna say 'nah'? Do we count?" And also, like, the whole concept of not telling people. Like, if this was in the Philippines, if you tell someone, they'll believe you. And also, it will make the news. [both laugh] Like, for real.

Dean insists that they only have one move, which is to wait the demon out and then get it before it gets them. And Sam goes, "I wonder how Dad is doing." Dean says, "I would feel better if I were there backing him up," and Sam says, "I would feel better if he were here backing us up."

C: Say that, Sam! Fucking say that, Sam.

G: No, let's unpack that. Because I have thoughts about this exchange. What did- what did you think about it?

C: I mean, I think that it's a good summary of the way that Sam and Dean feel about their dad, right? Because Dean views himself as John's backup, as someone who protects him. He's really upset at them in "Shadow" for like, presumably almost getting John killed because he somehow views John has his [overlapping] responsibility. Probably because during like, Stanford times like, he and John fought togeth- or, sorry, that he and John hunted together a lot, probably, and John probably impressed on him a lot, like, "Oh, like, you can't go because I need you here to like, keep me alive on hunts and stuff." Whereas Sam, who knows what parents are supposed to be- [both laugh] yeah, wants John to protect them instead of the other way around.

G: That's it, exactly. It's a fascinating look on how they view what their purpose is in the family.

C: Yeah.

C: So John's near the water tank, and he's hiding from Meg. And he puts the rosary inside of the tank and also like, says, something in Latin, I guess, that blesses the water. So he drops the rosary in, so this whole tank and pipe thing is now filled with holy water.

Sam and Dean are chatting in Impala outside of Monica's house. And he's saying that this whole thing feels surreal because all these years occurred, and now they're finally here. Dean, I guess much like he says in "Home" just says that "we just gotta keep our heads and do our job, like always." But Sam says, "This isn't like always," and Dean agrees.

And then, Sam says, "Dean, I want to thank you." Dean asks, "For what?" Sam says, "For everything. You've always had my back, you know. Even when I couldn't count on anyone, I could always count on you. And, I don't know, I just wanted to let you know. Just in case." Okay, a few- a few thoughts here. Dean did not have your back during Stanford fight.

G: I think one interesting point here is that, "You didn't- you had my back when no one else did." Which is like, "Why did no one else have your back, Sam?" Is it because you were being isolated? Maybe?

C: Yep! Geez. And Dean's quite alarmed at this because he's Mr. Denial, and he goes, "Whoa, whoa, whoa! Are you kidding me? Don't say 'just in case something happens to you,' I don't want to hear that freaking speech, man. Nobody's dying tonight. Not us, not that family, nobody, except that demon. That evil son of a bitch ain't getting any older than tonight, you understand me?" Ugh. Poor Dean. Like- like he says later, Sam and John are all he has. Again, is it because you were being isolated, Dean?

So yeah, he just does not want to think about this.

G: So back in the warehouse, which is the definition of "creepy and wet" [C laughs] like, yeah.

Meg waits, and John walks in. Meg says, "John, you made it. Too bad, really. I was hoping to kill more of your friends."

C: Your one remaining friend.

G: John says, "Sorry to disappoint," and Meg continues. She says she sees where Sam and Dean gets their good looks [C groans], and I was like, "Meg JDM fucker and sucker?" [both laugh] Go Meg!

C: God, this is so annoying, though, 'cause, okay, do Sam and Dean even look like John at all?

G: [laughing] I have told you over and over again that I cannot differentiate white men from one another.

C: [laughing] Yeah, I also cannot differentiate white men from white men.

G: I don't know. Does JDM have green eyes, maybe?

C: Wait, wasn't there a bunch of jokes going around about how Mary must have cheated on John because, like, the eye colors in the Punnett squares don't match up?

G: Noo! [laughs] Go Mary!

Wait, I'm gonna look "JDM young."

C: [laughs] Yeah, that probably works.

G: He looks like Dean!

C: Wait, really?

G: Yeah! Look at this.

C: Huh. I don't know if he looks like Dean...

G: Tell me this doesn't look like Dean.

C: I- I can't tell. He just looks like Elvis to me, but it might just be the hair. [G laughs]

G: Yeah, I think it is the hair.

C: Yeah.

G: He looks kind of like Dean.

C: He does look like a white man who is young, [laughs] I must agree.

G: Ohh, he looks good here. [laughs]

C: No! No! You're not becoming a JDM fucker and sucker.

G: [laughing] We should proceed.

C: Yeah, but also, I'm just annoyed that Meg has to like, be attracted to the Winchesters because, yeah, because she's woman. [laughs]

G: She says that, like, "After everything that I've been told about you, I thought you'd be taller." And I was like, "Aw, remember when Charlie said to Cas, like, 'I thought you'd be shorter'?"

C: Yeah.

G: When are we gonna meet Cas? When are we gonna see Cas? Can we fast forward to season 4?

C: [laughing] Please, where's Cas? Please! Please, where is he? Where's my boy?

G: I am begging.

C: Yeah, I think my my thoughts is like, "Meg is a 5'3" John Winchester truther." [both laugh]

G: So true, Meg.

C: In season 3, doesn't Ruby tell Sam- Sam's like, "Why are you following me?" And she's like, "I like tall guys." Sorry, the Supernatural actors are obsessed with their actors being tall.

G: Yeah, there's one time where like- do you know Mildred?

C: Uh, oh yeah, she's in the Eileen episode.

G: Yeah, she's in the Eileen episode. And she-

C: She says, "I'm not much of a mountain climber, so Eileen, you can have the tall one," right?

G: Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. Or I think it was "tree climber." I'm not sure. But like, something to that effect. And yeah. [laughing] I thought- I thought that was funny.

C: Yeah. She likes Dean for his short king swagger.

G: John is silent throughout this whole exchange. So Meg, eventually, stops bantering and then asks for the gun. And then John finally speaks. He asks how he'll get out if he gives over the gun. Meg says that if he really is as good as they say, she's sure he'll figure out a way to get out. John says, "Maybe I'll just shoot you." And Meg says, "You wanna shoot me, baby? Go ahead. It won't end anything. There's more where I came from." And then some random-ass guy-

C: [overlapping] - random fucking guy! Just some guy!

G: - walks in! He literally is just some guy. And like, we focus so much on his face, did you feel- you know what I mean?

C: Yeah, and it's like, am I supposed to remember what he looks like? Like, that's just some white guy!

G: Yeah, I don't remember- I don't know who this is. He is just some guy.

C: He's like Azazel's other son, and like, Azazel gets really mad when they kill him, right? Unless that only happened in "bad moon rising." [both laugh]

G: Again, I don't really remember much of what goes down next episode.

The guy walks in out of the shadows, and Meg continues to threaten John. Finally, John gives Meg the fake Colt, and she ask if this is the Colt. And I thought what would happen is she would shoot the guy.

C: Yeah! Me too. But because the Supernatural writers hate women...

G: Like, I guess they were trying to be subversive because that's what you expected, right?

C: Yeah, I get it. It's like, "Look, all these demons, even if they're on the same side, they'll double-cross each other at any point; they don't care about each other; even if Meg seems like she's in control, there's always conflict going on, etc, etc." But also like, she should have shot the guy.

G: She should've shot the guy like, square in the head, and if he didn't die, like, that would be cool as shit, though.

C: Exactly.

G: So, as we said, what happens is the other way around. The demon guy gets the gun and shoots Meg. And at first, she was upset.

C: Yeah. It's so fun. She goes, "You shot me! I can't believe you just shot me!" [laughs] I love that.

G: And then she realizes that she's still alive, and so the gun is a fake.

C: Dun-dun-dun!

So Meg's very mad. She says that John is dead, your boys are dead. John's like, going, "I've never used the gun, how could I know it wouldn't work?" [laughs]

G: Go John.

C: Go John.

Oh, god, same energy, as "Did you just Molotov my brother with holy fire?" "Uh... no?"

G: [laughs] "No?"

C: [laughing] Where's Cas? Where's Cas? I miss him. Please, where is he? Where is he?!

Okay, so Meg goes, "I'm so not in the mood for this. I've just been shot!" Which is so funny. Like, comedy queen.

G: Yeah.

C: Yeah, John says, "Well, I guess you're lucky the gun wasn't real." And Meg says, "That's funny, John. We're gonna strip the skin from your bones, but that was funny."

G: Go Meg!

C: Go Meg! So a chase ensues where John starts running away and going into the alley, which is full of water pipes. And as he reaches the end of the hall, he turns on a tap, and there's just like, water spritzing out. And he just stands by it looking ridiculously pleased, even though, like, the water pressure of this water is like, baby water park levels.

Meg and the other demon are sort of like, "What the fuck is up with this guy?" And the guy demon starts walking forward, but as soon as his feet touch the water, which is pooling on the ground, his feet start smoking, and he's in pain. But, okay, he's wearing shoes, right?

G: Yeah.

C: I don't get it.

G: I mean, like, remember when they were spraying holy water to the guy- to the copilot in "Phantom Traveler"? And it burned through his clothes?

C: Oh, yeah. And it burned through his shirt, okay, you're right, okay. So the shoes that you wear also demon shoes and are-

G: - an extension of your body, exactly. [both laugh]

C: Yeah. Lil Wayne "those are his hooves, you bitch." [both laugh]

So, yeah, so Meg goes, "Holy water, John. Real cute." And John is running off, hopefully - or not that hopefully - ready to escape.

C: So outside, Dean and Sam are upset- well, Dean is upset that John isn't answering the phone. Sam says, "Maybe Meg was late, or cell reception's bad." Go Sam! And then the radio starts getting all staticky, and there's wind happening, and the lights in the house keep turning off and on, so, uh-oh. So they jump out the car and run into the house. Meanwhile, John has made it to his truck, but all the tires are slashed. So yeah, he's not getting out.

G: So Sam and Dean enter the house, and as soon as they enter to get attacked by the dad, Charlie. At first, they try to convince him that they're trying to help. Like, he won't budge, and so Dean, I don't know, does Dean knock him out?

C: Um, I think- yeah, yeah.

G: And then just slams him outside, and then he wakes up? [both laugh] Is that what happens?

C: [laughing] Yeah.

G: Anyway, right before Dean knocks his ass out, Monica shouts at them if anything is wrong, and Charlie says, "Go get the baby." Sam realizes what's happening, which is that Monica is going to the nursery, and he shouts, "No! Don't go to the nursery!" And he runs upstairs and finds Monica almost pinned to the ceiling already. So we see the man in the coat, and we zoom in to his face, and we see his eyes for the first time. They're yellow. [screams] Ahh! Yes! Yellow-eyes is here, baby! And I was so- I was so hyped up.

C: It's a fun visual. Do we ever learn anything about Azazel's vessel or host?

G: I don't think so.

C: Yeah, okay. Sad.

G: Sam shoots Yellow-Eyes, and Yellow-Eyes disappears right before the bullet hits him.

C: Yeah. Which Dagon also does-

G: Yeah. When Cas shoots him. [laughs]

C: No, no, no, when Eileen- when Eileen!

G: Yeah. But also when Cas shoots him- shoots her.

C: Yeah, but like, it's cooler when Eileen does it 'cause she accidentally shoots a British guy.

G: [laughs] Yeah. Cas just shoots a wall. [laughs] I'm sorry, Cas.

C: Sorry, Cas.

G: So Sam misses, but the moment the demon disappears, Monica falls to the ground. So she helps- so he helps her up and gets her out of the house, and Dean gets Baby Rosie, and they run as the crib starts to catch fire.

C: Yeah. And also Monica keeps screaming, like, "Rosie! My baby!" And Sam keeps trying to reassure her by saying "Dean's got her."[laughing] Like, that is not a reassurance. She does not know this man.

G: John - we go back to John and he is still running around. And he's about to take out his phone and give someone a call when he gets pinned to the wall by an invisible force.

C: Ooh!

But then when the camera pans up, and you see the night sky instead of a ceiling, it's like, "God damn it. They wouldn't even let him burn on a ceiling?"

G: The guy demon, who has escaped from the trap John set out, watches John as he is pinned further and further up the wall.

So we go back to the house, and the room explodes in three different angles. [laughs] They really said "this explosion is expensive, we have to film it in all angles possible." [C laughs] And they did, and they showed us each and every one of them.

Sam and Dean bring out Monica and Rosie, and at first, the dad was threatening them, but Monica starts to say that Sam and Dean saved them, and she thanks them, and she gets the baby, and they watch as the house burns down.

As they watch, Sam and Dean see the demon still standing in the room. And Sam's like, "Oh, it's still there, it's still there." And he tries to get back inside the house. And Dean physically restrains him from doing so.

C: The poses and the way that it is shot are very similar to the like, Dean dragging Sam out-

G: When Jess- yeah.

C: Yeah, in the pilot

G: Dean says, "The house is burning to the ground. Going in there is suicide." Sam says, "I don't care." Dean says, "I do." They watch as the silhouette disappears and the house burns down.

C: You know what would be so fucking funny? [laughing] If, after they took Monica and Rosie outside, they were like, "So there's been a gas leak in your home... and that's why it's on fire!"

C: So we cut to the motel room, where they're still trying to call John. Dean's worrying about him, but Sam is just brooding. He says, "If you had just let me go in there, I could have ended all this." And Dean says, "Sam, the only thing you would have ended was your life." Sam says, "You don't know that." Dean says, "So what? You're just willing to sacrifice yourself? Is that it?" And Sam says, "Yeah. Yeah, you're damn right I am." And Dean says, "Well that's not going to happen. Not as long as I'm around." Sam says, "What the hell are you talking about, Dean? We've been searching for this demon our whole lives. It's the only thing we've ever cared about." Which, oh, man. A year can really do a number on a kid, huh? Sam has not cared about this for a long- for the first 22 years of his life.

Dean says that he does want the demon dead, but it's not worth dying over. He says, "If hunting this demon means getting yourself killed, then I hope we never find the damn thing." [pained sound] Yeah.

Sam says, "That thing killed Jess. That thing killed Mom." And then in- [laughs] I found this next part, like, just so funny. Like, I just couldn't stop laughing about how ham-fisted this callback to the pilot was.

G: Yeah. Yeah, it is a callback to the pilot, but-

C: Yeah, and they make sure that you know that it's a callback by having Dean say, "You said yourself, once, that no matter what we do, they're gone and they're never coming back."

G: [laughing] Yeah!

C: Yeah, it's, and then Sam, in the funniest thing ever- like, you know, like, Sam's usually Sam to me. In this moment, it was like, "Oh, this is Jared being a bad actor."

G: The thing is, I'm laughing about it now, but I was crying when this was happening.

C: What? Aww! I was not. I thought it was so funny.

G: I got emotional. When Dean said that like, "All we have is each other- all I have is us three." Like, when he says that, I was like, "Oh, cool." And then tears start streaming down my face. [laughs]

C: Aww.

Yeah, so very similar to the way Dean shoves Sam against a bridge in the pilot, Sam shoves Dean against a wall and says, "Don't you say that! Not you! Not after all this! Don't you say that!" God, it's so funny. That's not Sam, bro. [laughs] Like, it is believable that he could get to this point, but like, the acting was not it. [laughs] It was not it.

G: Yeah.

C: Dean says, quietly, "Sam, look. The three of us, that's all we have, and it's all I have. Sometimes I feel like I'm barely holding it together, man. And without you or Dad..." Um, yeah, it is a pretty emotional moment. But they cut it short by Sam going, "Dad," and then letting Dean go, and saying like, "He should have called by now! Try him again."

So, yeah, do you have commentary on the line that made you cry?

G: Mm, nothing. [laughs]

C: I did like the "sometimes I feel like I'm barely holding it together" as a line because I feel like we do generally know that Dean's whole cocky whatever thing is [overlapping] an act. But I feel he has not really admitted to it out loud until now, so that was nice to see.

Yeah, so they try calling John one more time, and Meg has the phone, and she picks up. She says, "You boys really screwed up this time." Dean asks, "Where is he?" And Meg says, "You're never going to see your father again." And then this big "To Be Continued" sign flashes onto the screen, and that's the end of the episode.

C: Have you always hated the Supernatural font for like, locations and stuff, because I hate it.

G: I think it's fine. I think I think for what the show is, it's all right.

C: Yeah, yeah. I suppose so. I guess maybe I'm just a boring person who prefers sans serif fonts.

G: Okay, so that's it for the end of the episode. What did you think about this one?

C: Um, Meg was fun to watch, but yeah, I think we mentioned multiple times when the acting did not hold up, and it was just kind of boring.

G: Yeah, I also, like I said earlier, I think this episode is boring. And like I said earlier, I think it's boring because it doesn't focus on Sam and Dean.

C: Yeah.

G: Well, specifically, it focuses on John, which, the acting, I don't really like, so it's like, I'm just watching a guy act- like, I'm not watching a story unfold. So yeah.

Best Line/Worst Line? What's your best line?

C: Do you want to go first? I'm trying to look.

G: No, I don't [laughs] because I am also trying to look.

C: [laughing] Oh.

I think I'm just gonna go with some Meg's fun little like, "I've lied. A lot. I've stolen. I've lusted. And the other day, I met this man. A nice guy, you know. We had a really good chat. Sort of like this. Then I slit his throat and ripped his heart out through his chest. Does that make me a bad person?" Like, god. Go Meg. Highlight of the episode, truly.

G: I think my best line is... I'll go with the one that made me cry. When Dean said, "I'm barely holding it together." I don't know. I hate to be the Dean girl of this episode, but I am the Deangirl of every single episode of BABpod. But yeah. When he- specifically the line that got me is when he said, "That's all we have." And then he paused, and then he says, "That's all I have."

C: Because earlier, we have John say like, "Oh, I want Sam to go to school, and I want the Dean to have a home." So like, clearly Sam has something for him outside of the family unit, but Dean doesn't.

G: And like, for Dean, it's like, Sam going to school is the opposite of Dean- like, you know. It's the opposite of what home is for Dean. Yeah. This is really all he has, and... aww. Yeah. That's sad! Especially knowing that John is going to die.

C: Whoo!

G: Very, very soon.

C: Yeah. Sad. It's sad for Dean.

G: His family unit is about to get destroyed.

C: Well, I'll just float down and pat Dean on the shoulder and go like, "Hey, Dean, I'm really sorry that John's about to die. But, you know, after he dies, you like, beat up the Impala with a crowbar, and it's a really scene and in a lot of AMVs."

G: [overlapping] And you look really good. [both laugh] Yeah.

C: So I hope that brings you a little comfort, Dean.

G: And he's like, "I'm gonna beat up the Impala?! Are you fucking kidding me?" But you're gonna rebuild it, Dean. And it's gonna be beautiful, so it's fine.

C: Yeah. It's fine, Dean.

G: Okay, worst line. What's your worst line?

C: Uh, what does Dean say to that woman?

G: "Oh, god, yes." That's also my worst line.

C: [laughs] Yeah. Jesus Christ.

G: I really- I just really was like, "You're gonna fuck someone right now, Dean? Is that what you're gonna do? You're gonna fuck someone right now?" [both laugh]

C: Every second counts, and this is what your seconds count for.

G: Okay, so, IMDB rating. What do you think is the- I'll go first, alright?

C: Okay.

G: I'll say... 8.5. I didn't enjoy it, but I see how other people can enjoy it. I'm giving it an 8.5 just to be safe and secure. Also it's plotty, and it's like, one of our first plot-driven ones, so.

C: Right. And I feel like, people would probably enjoy the like, cutting back and forth, and the whole Meg situation. I was also gonna say 8.5, but I feel like we should diversify our assets a bit. So-

G: Yeah.

C: I'll go down to 8.4? I feel like I may be going in the wrong direction, we'll see.

G: Okay. I'll look it up.

8.8?!

C: What?

G: That's way too high. Way too high.

C: I guess people liked John in season 1, right? Boo. But yeah, 8.8 is high. Like, that's higher than "Scarecrow," and it's not better than "Scarecrow."

G: One here says, "I really like Meg's character. The other story is fine, I guess." [both laugh]

C: And they gave it 9 out of 10? [laughs] Yeah, honestly, yeah, mood. Me too.

Yeah, there's two different reviews titled "Carry On My Wayward Son."

G: Yeah. I told you, that's the peak of the episode. [laughs]

"I like the phrasing of 'Dean needs a home.' Like Dean's a lost puppy or something. It's cute." [both laugh]

C: Yeah, no, this is- it's literally- what is it? Like, "People for the Ethical Treatment of Jensen Ackles." [laughing]

G: [laughing] Yeah. People for the Ethical Treatment of Dean Winchester!

C: [laughing] I am people for the unethical treatment of Dean Winchester.

G: Noo!

C: Yeah, some people say that they like it as a game of cat and mouse and how Meg is given a chance to shine. Yeah, Meg's pretty great here.

G: That's it for this episode of Busty Asian Beauties. Next time, we'll be talking about season 1, Episode 22: "Devil's Trap." Leave us a rating or a review wherever you get your podcasts.

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G: You can email us any feedback, comments, or inquiries at [email protected]. See you guys next time! [together] Bye!

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