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butterfly--empress · 4 months

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....About that Attack on Titan Series...

Well, well, well......I wasn't going to make this post, but fuck it, we here and I feel like ranting into the goddamn void, it's been a WHILE.

If you enjoyed this series from beginning to end and don't have the emotional maturity to understand that I don't fucking LIKE THIS SHIT. DO NOT REPLY

I don't have patience and I will block you on sight! As we fandom old's say: Don't Like? Don't Fucking Read!

Anyway onto the rant...

it's June 2024 and I finally after so many years, watched this show because it was recommended to me and I brought into the hype because I had NO IDEA just how derisive S4 and the series finale actually was back in the height of it's day.

I had always meant to eventually get around to watching the show and maybe even reading the manga alongside it, but as the years passed, I just never found the urge to pick it up.

And now that I have, after believing the show was great from beginning to end...

GOD, I sure wish I could get back the time I spent watching the entirety of Season 4, that Finale, and feeling utterly annoyed that a writer chose to end their story on such a nonsensical plot.

In fact, I sort of wished I never bothered at all to be quite honest.

The short of it: Seasons 1 to 3>>>>>>Season 4 and that awful ass Finale.

Very unfortunate too. This is just another case of 'great ideas, bad execution'.

And I'm not sorry but the more I think about it, the more I just cannot turn my brain off, suspend my disbelief and gaslight myself into accepting season 4 and that fucking finale as peak writing.

That shit was awful, the fact that seeing the latest interview from the creator himself, just reaffirms how strong the author's intent was when writing this last arc!

It wasn't the fact this was bad on accident, or that the creator ran out of ideas, OR the story got too complicated and complex, OR that he couldn't commit to what he already established in earlier seasons.

If his words are to be taken at face value from that interview:

It's not that this guy is a bad writer, Attack on Titan's last arc's messy writing:

-Plot holes and too many subplots that go nowhere

-Last minute ass-pulls and Deus Ex Machina that make no damn sense.

-Adding time travel-esque powers out of the blue, and it amounts to nothing in the end.

-Never giving an actual satisfying reason why Eren *couldn't defy his fate*.

--We not gonna talk about his mom...

-I'm not gonna bitch about that Ymir subplot about her loving her abusive ass slave master/husband, after what was already established before this point was fine by itself...nope, not going there...

-That god awful confusing asf 4yr time skip. (listen, I don't know NOR do I care at this point, if this time skip was elaborated on in the manga. This was just a poor attempt to hand wave away the obviously inconsistent switch OR lack of development to the characters I followed since ep 1.)

-The stagnation of already established characters we were with since the beginning and basically being replaced by new characters: the MINUTE the Marley characters took center stage, something in me just KNEW, the original crew were being replaced but hoping to GOD I WAS WRONG. --Turns out my gut feeling was correct and it makes me dislike these character more than I already did.

--Yeah, I really did not care AT ALL for the Marley crew. There's just something about shoehorning in new characters that I have no attachment to and telling me, they are now the real protagonists (who get sudden plot armor and make it alive by the end, with no real consequences...in a series that had no qualms about killing just about 90% of the characters I actually gave some fuck about and knew since ep 1 feels very contrived.)

-The unnecessary death of fan favorites that amounted to NOTHING

--I'm not...I'm just going to leave THIS ONE ALONE because I'll be here all fucking DAY and boy I'm doing enough ranting as it is.

~If You Know, You KNOW!~

-I'm not going to rant about the female characters because 1. we'll be here all day, 2. to be fair: most of the characters sort of fell flat regardless of gender anyway. (But I def get that the female cast in particular was done so dirty in the last arc. It's one thing for shounen writers to write one dimensional female characters...you have to be some kind of SPECIAL to create two-dimensional, even three-dimensional female characters only to downgrade them to their lowest common denominator. THE AUDACITY, THE INSULT TO MY FUCKING INTELLIGENCE!)

-I'm not going to bother about the shipping: it's obvious that a certain ship was going to be canon but god, do I really need to bitch about the utter lack of meaningful development to get it from point A to B?

--Then again, maybe it was supposed to be toxic? Lord knows it fits well into the clusterfuck of the last arc of this story.

--Honestly, I was more into a non canon ship that developed thru friendship naturally onscreen anyway, so I have no horse in this race.

-The BIG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM of mixes messages, that maybe, certain extreme ideologies are correct and justified.

--Yeah, we gonna leave this one alone too...Honestly because this is actually the one thing I don't think was intentional, even if the blatant implications of it are there...and I don't want to make assumptions of the man's politics and what he believes, and his worldview (outside of his personal feelings about himself), I don't know him personally.

--I will however, rant to high hell and I do think he utilized and underutilized the allegory he borrowed from real life history; which led to the unfortunate 'Fantastical Racism' that happens in AoT.

--The slaughtering of poignant thematic themes, period!

--That bad ending (not that it's tragic per se, but just thematically bad).

~~Are you starting to see a pattern??~~

ALL THIS TO SAY:

He didn't WANT to allow his story to progress 'naturally' in the direction it 'wanted to go'.

Isayama didn't want to commit to anything he established. The story is the way it is, because he INTENDED it to be this way.

Eren fails to be a great hero OR antihero (depending on how one sees it) because Isayama doesn't think he, himself is a great person even if others tell him he is. (Ring a Bell?)

And I think it's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow. Your time was wasted theory crafting, giving the creator the benefit of doubt, all for him to basically say, because he suffered from a serious case of 'Imposter Syndrome', you are an idiot for ever thinking this story was great, was suppose to be more than it is, and that his success isn't earned because he doesn't feel that way and you have to feel that way too.

The creator wanted a nihilistic, myopic, depressive ending. Worldbuilding, lore, cohesive storytelling be DAMNED, because he let his negative feelings about himself bleed way too much into his work.

He wanted the message if there was one at all: there's no point in putting hope in humans because 'we're all just trash anyway', people will always fight, good people shouldn't sacrifice their lives to help humanity or put any hope into humans evolving to change our ways, so why try to find another way, and maybe 'Hitler was right'.

It gets worse when the creator HIMSELF, out of his OWN MOUTH, stated; if he WANTED TO, he could have given the story a better proper send off. He knows what he wrote, and he knows that the natural, better progression of the story he created would have been better received by the fans and critics alike, if he allowed it to go in that direction, but he didn't want that.

Granted: I'm all for writers doing ultimately what they want with their stories, for better or worse.

But that's not what he wanted. And that's what I take from all of this.

However what pisses me off, is that he should have been HONEST about the story/themes/message he wanted to portray from the start.

I don't have a problem with tragic, depressive tales and it's themes, if it is done right. This was not done right and we know it wasn't, because you can look at past and even present discussions and arguments throughout this fandom and see that people have valid reasons to be very upset. (No one likes for their intelligence to be insulted when the story takes them out of the immersion to the point, that the critical thinking jumps in, and now a person is starting to realize that a lot of writing choices that they ignored before, because the story was still good, are now flaws. Stories don't have to be PERFECT, but once those flaws can't be ignored, people begin to see them as the red flags that they are. We might be hopeful, that these flaws or plot holes will be course corrected at some point, but we will not ignore, when we see the trajectory of a story's plot going downhill to the point of no return. AoT's story went beyond the Point of No Return...ON PURPOSE!)

What grinds my gears about this entire situation is that, we have a creator here, who purposely build up a story, world, characters, and themes that the audience expected would follow through and make sense, given what we have of the story.

Only for the creator to fail spectacularly by trying to fucking subvert the audiences' expectations, and seeming to really not give a damn that it's what he wanted to do from the start.

Despite whatever issues he feels or has about himself, it sours whatever sympathy I may have for the guy, because in a way, what he decided to do of his own free will, seems very jaded and quite narcissistic...

I SAID WTF I SAID

It's the audacity for me.

People were lead on, lied to, and wasted their time for nothing.

Character motivations, deaths, sacrifices, the themes, worldbuilding, all of it, amounted to NOTHING.

We were idiots to put good faith into the author. We were idiots to think, this story was worth it. For some of us, it felt like a slap in the face if you were an original fan since the story's inception and honestly, your resentment for sticking with it til the end for ten plus years for an unsatisfying bullshit finale is very valid.

TL:DR: AoT's ending is trash because the Author wanted it to be trash, and that's really, unfortunately what it all amounts to.

Soo, yeah, I don't think I can really say much more than that.

Man should have just stuck with Keeping It Fucking Simple Simon and just ended the story where literally everybody dies from fighting giant ass flesh eating zombies called titans.

Okay NOW I'M DONE WITH THIS!

Edit: GOD, and here I thought I finally fallen into another great shounen on the same level as FMA:BH after the constant disappointment, that is MHA's last arc.

...Maybe I'm getting too old for anime, at least 'shounen'....idk...anymore

At least Spy x Family can't hurt me...

#attack on titan #anti aok #anti snk #aot critical #anti Hajime Isayama #anti attack on titan #as the kids say #this show was mid #it was great #until it became mid #at the start of season 4 #i wish i could #turn my brain off #but there was just so many #things i couldn't ignore #not to mention confusing as hell #at best i was just bored #at worst the story just got increasingly annoying #and then the epilogue from hell

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who-is-page · 2 years

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(picture taken so that I can block whatever dumbass sent me it.)

Every. Otherkin. Identifies. As. Non-human. On. Some. Level. Like, I do not know how else to tell you this, but yeah, there is a baseline perspective that every otherkin feels: they feel fucking other-then-human (or fictitiously-human, if we wanna get into semantics)!

"You think it's only your version of otherkin that's valid!" squawks the 12-year-old that's never done any amount of research in their life. Here's some examples of definitions over the years for you to choke on.

1990 definition of otherkin, the original coining: See below definition, but exclusively for mythological creatures other than elves. - Otherkin Lexicon: A multi-lingual dictionary of jargon used in the communities of otherkin, therianthropes, and other similar peoples.

1992 definition of otherkin: Otherkin are real, non-fictional people who identify as other than human. Otherkin identify as creatures from myth and legend, usually elves, faeries, and dragons. This is a sincere identity, not role-play. Many otherkin identify as other than human for spiritual reasons; that is, they classify their identity as otherkin as a personal spiritual belief. Being otherkin is a very individualistic thing: each otherkin reaches his own explanation for how and why he is an otherkin. Some of their common spiritual explanations include that they are other than human in spirit, or they were other than human in past incarnations. Although spiritual belief is often involved, “otherkin” isn’t a religion. As such, each person who identifies as otherkin practices whatever religion he individually wants. It has always been the case that most of the otherkin community practices Neo-Pagan religions, and so that religious perspective shapes the common views and ideas in the otherkin community. Some otherkin don’t use spiritual explanations. Some otherkin believe that they are physically other than human, or that their ancestors were. - Otherkin Lexicon: A multi-lingual dictionary of jargon used in the communities of otherkin, therianthropes, and other similar peoples.

2001 definition: "The Otherkin are those people who believe themselves to be spiritually and/or physically other than human. While mythological species (elves, satyrs, fairies, dragons, and so on) are widely accepted as being included under the term "Otherkin", many people in the community prefer to include aliens, vampires, furries, extraterrestrial humans, and other nonhuman races. A mythological or literary equivalent is not necessary to be included under "Otherkin"; there are types of otherkin that have not shown up in known legends or fiction (star-dragons, Elenari, etc.)." - The Crisses' Otherkin FAQ

2005 definition: "The first part of the phrase “Kin to the Other” that should be examined is the word “other”. There are many definitions of “other” presented by a dictionary. In this instance, it is most important to focus on the following three: “Of a different character or quality”, “Different from that or those implied or specified”, and “People aside from oneself.”

Kin, on the other hand, is a word with fewer meanings. “One’s relatives, family, kinfolk” and “related, akin”. Both of these are important here.

Taken together, it basically refers to the sense of being related or of a similar nature to beings who are different than the expected. Kin to beings other than humans, to put the idea very bluntly." - Jarin's Kin to the Other

2006 definition: The above definition from the Otherkin Lexicon, but now also include therianthropes. - Otherkin Lexicon: A multi-lingual dictionary of jargon used in the communities of otherkin, therianthropes, and other similar peoples.

2007 definition: “[…] a person who believes that, through either a nonphysical or (much more rarely) physical means, s/he is not entirely human.” - Lupa's Field Guide to Otherkin

2007, bonus: "Do you actually believe that you are dragons?

Yes -- in the same way that one can "believe" they are Lithuanian or Catholic or heterosexual. Draconity is an identity. We choose to accept that part of us which we identify as draconic. Do we ultimately choose to be dragons, or is it something that is predetermined? I don''t know." - Baxil's Draconity FAQ

2008 definition: there are two main definitions of this term, and both are provided here so as to denote the prevalence of both definitions being used often. One definition is that otherkin is a general, overarching term for those people who feel they are in part or whole [non-physically] nonhuman, with one or more nonhuman ‘kintypes/aspects; this is a category that therians are a subsection of, but it also includes a variety of other nonhuman creatures, including but not limited to mythical creatures. The other definition is the same except that it is not as generalized of a category and instead only denotes the creatures or entity types that are mythical, fantastical, or non-Earth animals. - Terms & Definitions by Sonne

2013 definition: “Personally I would describe Otherkin as any person who believes that they are, in some way, other than their kin (kin being humans), and kin to the other (the other being non-terrestrial/mythical/religious/etc. entities). This belief is something that can be spiritual or psychological but, at its core, it is a belief and not a physical condition." - Justanotherkin's FAQ

2015 definition: “Otherkin - People who identify either partially or wholly as one or more non-human beings, entities, or concepts in a psychological or spiritual manner.” - Kinmunity, now defunct

2015, bonus: "Otherkin is someone who identifies as something nonhuman. So someone who identifies as a dragon is dragonkin, someone who identifies as a centaur is centaurkin, and so on." - Kin-Assistance FAQ

2016 definition: "Otherkin is a collective noun for an assortment of people who have come to the somewhat unorthodox, and possibly quite bizarre, conclusion that they identify themselves as being something other than human." - Tirl Windtree, What Are Otherkin? (likely posted sometime earlier than this, as it was migrated to the new site, but I can't know for certain.)

??? definition: "What are otherkin? People who don't identify as human. Usually they identify as some mythical or crypto-historical creature, like angels or dragons." - Jewelfox's FAQ (likely from the early 2000's)

Do I need to go on? Have I not made my fucking point??? If you can find me KFF-esque definitions of otherkin that do not mention identifying as a nonhuman on some level, and enough that span almost over 30 years as my list does, then you might have a point here about identifying as a nonhuman not being a "universal" otherkin experience. Unfortunately, that's literally impossible for you to do, because such definitions around otherkin which do not in some way mean being "kin" to the "other" have never existed. It's in the word itself, how on Earth do you expect to argue with me on this and expect to be taken seriously??

Anon, I cannot express it any more clearly to you that KFF ARE NOT JUST "DIFFERENT OTHERKIN," AND THE FACT THAT YOU THINK THEY ARE IS DEMONSTRATIVE OF WHY THEY ARE AN ISSUE. We have literal decades of documentation of what otherkinity is, and while having blorbos is all fine and good...it's not what being otherkin means! It's never been what otherkin means, and you'd know that if you had any capacity to use Google! The idea of "species identity" isn't something limited to just the otherkin community by any stretch of the imagination, and the problem is that KFF don't identify as another species at all. As I've said before, KFF are people who are using the word 'kin to mean "to stan," or "to vibe," or "to like," or "to enjoy the aesthetics of," and similar.

The fictionkin community was totally fucking decimated on Tumblr and in a lot of other places because of KFF. KFF arose directly from anti-otherkin misunderstandings and bigoted perspectives surrounding 'kin. How are you going to claim it's just a few bad apples, that it's just "bad actors" embedded in the KFF community? A few bad apples spoils the bushel, first off, but more importantly than that is the fact that these aren't even apples, they're rotting oranges that were picked off the ground and used to pelt people, that are now being sold as apples. I literally have friends who left the community who cite KFF as one of their main reasons for going.

And if you wanna bring up the trans and system argument to me, a trans member in a system, then let's be real. KFF are the actual people who are comparable to transmeds and sysmeds here.

KFF are comparable to the dipshit Republicans I've met who claim that cosplaying or wearing """opposite gender""" clothing automatically "makes" someone transgender, but who then simultaneously turn around and claim that transgender kids are "just going through a phase" and that trans teens need to "grow out of it." KFF're more than happy to romp around in fandom shit under the guise of 'kin terminology, but as soon as an actual otherkin pokes their snoot out of the ground--especially if they're older, god forbid--then it's all ableism and sanism and other forms of bigotry as far as the eye can see. Especially with claims that all serious otherkin are just "delusional," which is an ableist thing to say on a ton of different levels.

KFF are comparable to the asshole sysmeds I've met who will twist themselves into pretzels to say that endogenics don't real, but who will simultaneously try to use endogenic-coined terminology all the same while denying endos their history. Remember when Therian Amino said that non-traumagenic systems, even diagnosed ones, weren't allowed to call themselves "systems"? That's how KFF sound, especially with their recent assertions that 'kin started on TikTok and other totally ahistorical assertions about the 'kin community.

I don't know how to tell you this, but anti-otherkin stealing our terms to use them to mock and belittle us, and then turning around ten years later and snootily saying, "actually, they're our terms now, they were invented on TikTok, and otherkin are just freaks who take it too far and are delusional! But don't worry, we'll still take you...semi-seriously I guess, you psychos," is not the glorious, grand Inclusive Act Of Inclusive Kindness that you're portraying it as. It's not only completely insulting, but frankly, it's also historically inaccurate as fuck, and it's not "gatekeeping" for people to be offended and pissed off. No one's saying that what KFF experience isn't real in their stanning and fandom wank, but it is not representative of otherkinity in any way. It's not gatekeeping to say that that is literally not what the word "otherkin" refers to.

Also, people do take otherkin, therians, and fictionkin seriously when you explain it to them point-blank, and even outside of that, we've had a TON of shit created by and about us. We've been on radio shows, we're mentioned in books, we have studies that have been done on us, the list goes on and on. A fantastic example is that House of Chimeras' Academic Publications, Non-Academic Publications, Media, Art, and Fiction Related To Nonhumanity ebook, which documents "every publication, piece of media, and fiction that [House of Chimeras is] aware of that pertains to otherkin, therians, fictionkin, and related groups," is 112 pages long, not that I expect a dickweed like you capable of reading something that's had some actual care and heart put into it. Just because you don't take any pride in the otherkin community and have no appreciation's for other people's contributions and creations doesn't mean that's a universal experience by any stretch of the imagination, asshole.

Anyways, get out of my inbox. You're blocked. If you can't be bothered to at least look at what I've said before before sprouting word garbage at me, then you're not welcome here.

#aok

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