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One of these day Iām gonna make a post that compiles all the evidence for gay, bi and unlabeled Mike that exists on the show bc ppl that deny any evidence whatsoever for one side or the other are hilarious to me.
#byler#like there is some gay mike evidenceā¦#thereās not noneā¦#there is some bi Mike evidence#there is not none..#believe it or not#there is some unlabeled mike evidence#Iām sorry#but as a gay mike truther#the bi colors being near mike more than 20+ times in the show????#letās talk about it!!#Mike being in front of the mirror dead center in the middle of the frame after calling el pretty and it being this long awkward shotā¦#and that arguably being the strongest gay mike evidence there is ???#letās unpack that!#Iām not gonna ignore stuff occurring#let alone say that there is NOTHING to support it#when thereās at least one or two things AT LEAST#but maybe thatās just me š¤£#not to mention#the hoshposh of evidence could be intentional to convey that Mike himself is confused and questioning#even if thereās more one way than the other#that doesnāt mean you have to rule it out all together#in the words of Jonathan#āit doesnāt have to be one wayā
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i loved your most recent steve work! i was wondering if i could request an eddie work similar to that where the hellfire club just doesnāt believe that he could have a gf
Full of Surprises
warnings, none! note, this was fun to write !! also i didn't include the whole hellfire club i didn't feel like writing the extras inš
"Eddie, you expecting a call or something? You keep staring at the phone like a maniac." Mike pointed out.
"You noticed too?! I didn't wanna say anything but holy shit, every few seconds he stares at it." Dustin agrees.
Eddie rolled his eyes, scratching the back of his neck awkwardly. "Yeah I'm uh, just waiting on my girlfriend to call." he muttered, his tone nonchalant, but the room instantly fell into a stunned silence.
Mikeās eyes widened. āGirlfriend?ā
Dustin snorted, crossing his arms. āSure, Eddie. And Iām dating Madonna.ā
Eddie shot them both an annoyed glance. āIām serious.ā
The skepticism in the air was palpable. Lucas raised an eyebrow from across the room, tossing a pencil onto the table. āEddie Munson... with a girlfriend? Thatās rich.ā
"What's that supposed to mean?" Eddie asked, defensively, leaning forward.
Dustin shrugged, an innocent grin on his face. "C'mon, man. If you had a girlfriend, we wouldāve heard about it by now."
"And met her," Lucas added.
Eddie groaned, leaning back in his chair and crossing his arms. "Not everything revolves around you guys, yāknow. Some relationships are private."
Dustin, Lucas, and Mike exchanged skeptical glances before bursting into laughter. "Yeah, right! What, does she go to another school or something?" Mike teased.
"Yeah there's no way in hell Eddie Munson gets bitches." Dustin laughed.
"Well news flash, Dusty boy! I do infact gets bitches. Not that my girlfriends a bitch or anything." He said adding that last part very quickly. Even though you weren't there, he'd never disrespect you like that or in any way for that matter.
Dustin raised his hands in mock surrender, still grinning. "Okay, okay, so you get bitches. Prove it."
"Yeah, letās see some evidence," Lucas added with a smirk. "I mean, itās kinda hard to believe when weāve never even seen her. Is she invisible or something?"
Eddie huffed, tapping his fingers on the table, clearly annoyed but trying to keep his cool. "Sheās not some trophy I need to parade around, alright? Sheās busy. Sheās got... a job! School stuff too."
"Uh-huh, and Iām guessing she also lives in Canada and only writes letters?" Mike quipped, earning a round of chuckles from the others.
Eddie sighed dramatically, throwing his hands in the air. "Fine! You wanna meet her so bad? Sheāll come by Hellfire next week."
Dustin raised an eyebrow, his grin widening. "Oh, really? Canāt wait."
"Yeah yeah, I'll believe it when I see it. Now enough about his imaginary girlfriend, I'm hungry." Mike interrupted.
The next week couldnāt have come fast enough for the Hellfire boys. The anticipation was thick in the air as they sat around the table, pretending to focus on the campaign, but their eyes constantly darted to the door. Even Eddie, who usually basked in his Dungeon Master role with enthusiasm, seemed a little distracted, checking his watch more than usual.
Dustin nudged Lucas under the table. āYou think heās actually gonna pull through? Or are we about to witness the most embarrassing bluff in Hellfire history?ā
Lucas smirked. āI dunno, man. Heās been pretty confident. Itās either the truth, or heās about to go down in flames.ā
The whole week leading up to this very moment, Eddie talked about you to the guys. They obviously did not believe him one bit. Eddie had told them about some of your hobbies, favorite movies, he was even close to telling them where you worked but quickly decided against that.
They always asked him to just give out your name, but then they'd know who you were obviously. Eddie wanted to keep a little bit of mystery surrounding your identity. News flash, you were a quite known person at Hawkins High.
"Can't wait to see him squirm either way," Mike added with a grin.
Eddie, sensing their whispers, glared across the table. āYou know, you guys are real supportive friends.ā
āWeāre just preparing for disappointment, Eddie,ā Dustin shot back, hands raised. āDonāt take it personally.ā
Eddie opened his mouth to respond, but before he could, there was a knock on the door. The room fell silent, and all eyes shot toward the entrance. Eddieās cocky grin returned as he stood up, walking over to the door with a confidence that even had Dustin second-guessing his skepticism.
He swung the door open, and there she wasāyou. Dressed casually, you gave Eddie a warm smile before stepping into the room, completely unaware of the stunned expressions plastered across the faces of his friends.
āHey, babe,ā Eddie greeted you, pressing a quick kiss to your cheek. āTold you I wasnāt making her up.ā
The room was deathly quiet, the boys blinking in disbelief as you walked further into the room.
Mike was the first to break the silence. āHoly shit. Y/N Y/LN?
You laughed softly, glancing at Eddie before turning back to the group. āI take it heās been bragging about me?ā
āMore like we didnāt believe you existed,ā Lucas admitted, still wide-eyed. "Much less did we expect the girlfriend to be you?!"
Dustin was still frozen, mouth hanging open in shock. āEddie... how?ā
Eddie grinned smugly, draping an arm around your shoulders. āTold you, Dustin. I get bitches. Not that I'm calling you a bitch." He quickly clarified, knowing you didn't tolerate any type of getting called out of your name.
You playfully elbowed him in the side. āI know you'd never do anything like that."
Eddie chuckled, raising his hands in mock surrender. āNoted.ā
"Anyway, nice to meet you guys! I've seen you around and Eddie talks about you guys all the time." You exclaimed cheerfully, extending a hand to the nearest person to you, which happened to be Mike.
Mike, still in shock, shook your hand cautiously, like he couldnāt quite believe you were real. āUh, nice to meet you tooā¦ā
Lucas stood up, still blinking. āOkay, I have to askāhow the hell did Eddie Munson land a girlfriend like you?ā
You laughed, glancing over at Eddie with a playful smile. āWhat can I say? Heās full of surprises.ā
Eddie grinned proudly, leaning against you. āSee? Told you guys. Iām not just some lonely metalhead.ā
Dustin finally regained his composure, shaking his head. āThis has to be some kind of cosmic glitch. I mean, Y/N Y/LN... and Eddie Munson? Something isn't right."
Lucas nodded in agreement, still processing. āSeriously, I gotta knowāwhat did he say to win you over?ā
You smirked, crossing your arms. āWell, he didnāt try too hard, if thatās what youāre thinking. Eddieās actually... kind of sweet once you get past all the theatrics.ā
Eddie gave a mock bow. āThank you, thank you. Theatrics are part of the charm.ā
You giggled and gave him a loving look.
Mike snorted. āYeah, weāre still trying to figure out what charm youāre talking about.ā
Eddie shot Mike a look, then turned back to you, clearly soaking in the validation. āSee what I deal with?ā
You shook your head, laughing. āTheyāre not so bad, Eddie. Just a little... doubtful.ā You glanced at the group, your expression softening.
Dustin nodded. āYouāre like, Hawkins royalty compared to... well, Eddie.ā
You raised an eyebrow, giving Eddie a curious look. āRoyalty, huh?ā
Eddie rolled his eyes, but you could tell he secretly liked the sound of it. āThey exaggerate. A lot.ā
You smiled warmly at him. āWell, royalty or not, heās good to me. And thatās what matters.ā
Mike finally cracked a grin. āAlright, alright. Maybe youāre not completely full of shit, Eddie.ā
Dustin laughed, pointing a finger. āStill canāt believe it though. You lucked out, Munson.ā
Eddie smirked, wrapping his arm around your waist. āTold you, man. Iām full of surprises.ā
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Posting my Ultimate Byler Evidence/Analysis List here directly because it probably makes it more convenient and I should have done this a while ago. XD
There is so much proof for Byler being endgame in S5 of Stranger Things. They are so cute together, and so much in the show has been building up to their relationship. I just wanted to share some of my favourite Byler analyses, because they are so cool, detailed, and in-depth. I love reading about all the hints, symbolism, and subtext for Byler, it's amazing how much thought must have been put into all these things. Why go through all the effort of adding these details if they aren't actually going anywhere with them? Mike is so queercoded, and they are truly in love with each other.
š«„ Just gonna leave some good Byler analyses here š¤
Most of the links go to written Tumblr posts, and a couple of them are Reddit posts. So it's a lot of reading. If you prefer watching videos over reading, I highlighted my Byler YouTube playlist in green so it's easy to find.
And apologies for any of the links that aren't working, I know some of the posts have been deleted now sadly, but there's no way I'm re-numbering all these so I'm just leaving them in. My fellow Bylers, please stop deleting your amazing posts. ;-;
So anyway, here is the list of some of my favourite Byler evidence/analyses of all time (not in any particular order):
1. Mike's Season 4 Monologue To El
2. Camera Roll Byler Proof Part 3
3. Mike's Monologue and Milkvan
4. Mostly Byler Post Index
5. Dawson's Creek Parallel
6. "My Experience With Stranger Things"
7. What Ollie Learned From Film School
8. Byler Music Analysis
9. Why Don't The Duffers Discuss This?
10. ST Theories Masterpost
11. If Byler Isn't Endgame Then Someone Screwed Up
12. Byler Crumbs From The Cast and Crew
13. Favourite Combination of Endgame Byler Proof
14. I Doubt Byler Then I Remember This
15. The Fact That We Have This Interview
16. You Know Your Ship is Endgame When
17. Mostly Byler Post Index 2
18. Losing Hope Of Byler Endgame?
19. Why I Think Byler is Endgame
20. So Many Thoughts on This
21. Mike's Wall Art
22. Painting Miscommunication Leading to Mike's Monologue Coded
23. Yes, That Scene Did Foreshadow Mike's Monologue as Disingenuous
24. Mike's Monologue Didn't Sit Right With Me
25. Blue And Yellow Pen
26. That Tweet Is So Sweet
27. Heart Eyes, Literally
28. "My Process of Realizing Byler is Real"
29. Looking at Will, Not El
30. High School Musical Parallel
31. Said It Before and I'll Say It Again
32. Delusional Milkdud?
33. ST Writers Twitter Analysis 1
34. ST Writers Twitter Analysis 2
35. For When You Are Doubting Byler
36. Is Mike Bi or Gay?
37. Fully Convinced
38. The Ultimate Byler Playlist (my Byler YouTube playlist)
39. 100% Confident
40. Mike in S4 and S2
41. Mike Is Angry With Himself
42. It's Been A Year, Mike
43. Rink-O-Mania Remodel
44. The Development Of Will And Mike's Relationship
45. Mike's Lies
46. El Was Holding So Much In
47. Flickergate + Lettergate
48. Did Mike Ever Like El Romantically?
49. Mike Is Stupid
50. Byler Won't Write Itself
51. What's The Alternative Explanation?
52. Comparing Mileven and Byler
53. It Was Always About Them
54. Mike Is Not Ok
55. He Has A Love Interest
56. Will's Happy Ending
57. Trying To Be Normal
58. It's Not That Milevens Are Homophobic
59. Byler Is Reality
60. A Proper Look At El's Shrine To Mike
61. Mileven Through The Seasons
62. Suspicious
63. I Can't Doubt Byler
64. D&D Soulmates
65. Let's Talk Phones
66. Not Delusional
67. What Do They Want?
68. The Main Character
69. Mike's Mental Health
70. So Close
71. This Look Confirms Byler Isn't One Sided
72. Mileven Is Bones
73. They Don't Care About Mileven?
74. The Airport Hug Will Always Be Famous
75. The Monologue Mystery, Why Did They Lose?
76. The Cabin Scene
77. Why Couldn't Mike Say It For 2 Seasons?
78. He Was Trying To Find Will
79. Mike The Surfer Boy
80. Mike Definitely Shows Attraction To Girls
81. The Cast Knows
82. Mileven Loses On All Fronts
83. The Bouquet
84. 53 Minutes And 5 Seconds
85. Pink Panther
86. El And Choice
87. Will's Spotify Playlist
88. He'll Come Crawling Back To You, Begging For Forgiveness
89. Mike's Character Arc Prediction
90. It's The Same Look
91. Will's Truly Happy Ending
92. That's The Same Look, Right?
93. You're The Heart
94. Mike And El's Relationship In S4 Was Really Weird
95. Fireworks Parallel
96. Mileven Has Been Built Up For 4 Seasons
97. Not Stupid: The Fate of Mileven and Byler
98. This Suddenly Makes So Much Sense
99. Metaphors In Filmmaking
And unfortunately Tumblr will only let me add 100 links per post, so when I've posted part 2 of this list, I'll link it here: Part 2
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Read your post on your opinions on Byler and why you think itās a genius love story. Iām curious though you mentioned Mike being gay, rather than Bisexual. Iāve been in the fandom since s1 and never actually thought abt it that way, whatās some evidence that made you see gay Mike instead of bi Mike?? Iād love to hear your thoughts!
up until i got on tumblr a few weeks ago (very new to this business haha) i didn't really have super strong opinions on his sexuality either way. i was kinda just like, okay, mike is queer in some sense of the word, but the more i've read theories and thought about it, i feel it's almost more powerful if he's explicitly gay. this is in no way biphobia- i'm bi- and i don't at all believe that him being bi would discredit the importance of his character being queer in the grand scheme of queer representation, but i do feel like having a character who actively grapples with feelings of inadequacy out of insecurity based in not being able to love his girlfriend the way he thinks he's supposed to and deep seeded disgust and internalized homophobia with himself and his own faults especially when there's just SO MUCH beautiful and real love between straight couples around him- think lumax and jancy- is really intelligent and insightful writing. as far as evidence goes, i think there really is a lot of importance in him not being able to tell el he loves her. yes, you could say that it's just because he flat out doesn't love her, but you could also say that he knows that he doesn't and could never love her in the way he thinks he should should, in the way she deserves. that's why will's real and genuine love confession through the eyes of el makes him think "okay, maybe this could work. she loves me in the way she's supposed to, maybe it's possible". the reason will's words are so fueling for him is because they serve as proof and validation that he isn't doing anything he deems wrong and that there is the same level of beauty and intimacy in their relationship that there is in lumax or jopper or jancy. this leads in to my painting theory and how i think learning the truth about the painting will ultimately be the thing that makes mike face his internal conflicts head on because he will realize that he doesn't and can never have this perfect heterosexual relationship because he isn't heterosexual.
wow i just went on a crazy rant there hello
also- lucas's season one line about mike only liking el because she's the first girl to look at him or something like that is a good one too
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I've been going through the van scene, wanting to focus on and gif Mike bc his facial expressions and microexpressions are utterly fascinating to me in that scene, and I noticed this little parallel
it's one of those moments where like, if that little double take and smile Mike gives El in season 1 is used as evidence for that ship and interpreted as the beginning of Mike having a crush on El, then him doing it with Will should also be interpreted as/recognized by the audience having romantic undertones (especially through a bi!Mike lens)
I mean, I for one cannot imagine Mike looking at Dustin or Lucas like that
Hello!!!
No, but the way he can't stop looking at Will is so fucking amazing. Is just, there's so much love and point blank adoration in his eyes when he looks at Will.
I'll make a post to rant about it some more lmao. But yes, it should be clear that Mike's feelings are less than platonic by the way he's looking at Will (and that Will doesn't see because he looks away).
Dammit is 10am and I'm about to cry because of these two idiots (fondly) lmao.
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Okay so because this post about Harry being a bottom I'm going to give a genuine dissertation on the thematic relevance of sub Harry and maybe a little bit about dom Kim.
First I wanna establish the "Harry is definitely a subby little bottom boy" and is also definitely Bi and probably has some sorta fucking complex about it.
Evidence A. Contact Mike, Guillaume Le Million, Measurehead (when fascist).
Harry tends to idolize and gravitate towards extremely masculine figures.
This is probably due to a reflexive need to feel masculine and have masculine role models in the face of elements of identity that are seen as unmasculine by society and have become exacerbated by the breakup which had to be pretty emasculating for Harry.
Also :
Imma start a Harry's Kink counter here +1 light bondage.
+1 auto-erotic asphyxiation.
Uhm +1 uhh,Spanking? Additional +1 for being what I think is most possibly the horniest thought you have in the game also:
+1 Kim is a Dom.
I think Harry has kept his attraction to men or his desires about men fairly low key for his entire life. The way he conceptualizes Homosexuality in general as an "underground" society filled with whispering rooms and forbidden secrets is likely more of a reflection of how Harry views his own sexuality than how Queer culture is manifest in Revachol. (In reference to the way both Kim and The Smoker kinda laugh Harry about it)
The organizational element of the idea being likely reflective of the way internalization is akin to paranoia.
Harry is also extremely intimacy starved and I think part of that is due to an unmet need for affection and the desire to be taken care of. That masculinity and status as both a survivor and an oppressor was sorta thrust onto Harry, he was born the last year of the war on a hospital floor, given a name associated with war time and survival, grew up probably in a little street urchin gang, got into *Disco* (man I'm sure Harry brushed elbows with the underground then.) Was a gym teacher a good balance between masculinity and caretaker and guardian something that harry clearly excels at and enjoys. Then Dora encouraged him to be a cop for unknown reasons perhaps prestige, money, because Harry has a bleeding heart.
Engage Heterosexual Cop hell for 12 years then an additional 6 single Cop hell years.
And now you're like :
Another element is Harry's tendency to worship and diefy his partners which like man that's gotta be the subbiest fucking thing you can do. I honestly can't articulate all of the reasons why that's just extreme bottom behavior.
Harry is an empathic jelly creature who is forced to handle a job with dead people in it all day and has created this reflexive hyper masculine obsession to compensate for his perceived inadequacy in not living up to the patriarchal capitalist ideal of what's supposed to be his birthright as a well off, able bodied, 'straight', occidental, man.
Except the actual issue is that Harry is mostly perceived or perceiving himself as that, when in reality he's in clear conflict with his actual identity as a Poor, mentally Ill, bisexual, occidental, man.
And it's those last two that end up kind of making this smoke screen to Harrys deficiency in privilege. He can mask or hide behind being an Occidental Man.
Can buddy buddy with patriarchy and take up the idea of a Big Strong Manly Cop.
Something that Kim also seems to be doing by seeking out positions of authority he can compensate for the disrespect he gets as a Poor, blind, gay, seolite, man.
Last of which probably won't get him far because of how "juvenile" his body type is.
Kim can't really coast on patriarchy much the way Harry can. He has to work twice as hard cuz there's not a lot he can hide behind.
Pursuit for control in the face of denial
Vs
Shielding ones self behind control as a means of denial.
Dom/Sub dichotomy.
#disco elysium#kim kitsuragi#harry du bois#kimharry#harrykim#harrier du bois#harryxkim#its a sexuality dissertation bby
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tl;dr for my bi vs gay mike truthers video
basically, summarized, through my own research ive concluded... mike wheeler is....
unlabeled!!
i don't think the whole bi vs gay mike truthers thing needs to be a thing. like i dont get why it was ever as controversial as it was. you can very much interpret the first few seasons of stranger things through the lens that mike wheeler did in fact have a crush on el. or, you can support the theory that neither of them had a crush on each other, but mike felt a sort of comp-het impulse to have a crush on el. whichever theory you support is fine.
but, (if you believe this) just because mike never had a crush on el doesn't mean he can't be bisexual, mike could very well be gay as well & only experience attraction to men, but honestly, who cares! i don't think we need to force a label onto mike if the show doesn't want to give him one (yet, if they do in s5, i will update this).
being a bi mike truther doesn't erase mike's obvious queerness, & being a gay mike truther doesn't make you biphobic. it's just not how it works. at the end of the day, mike wheeler is queer in some way shape or form whether he chooses to identify as gay, bisexual, unlabeled, or whatever the fuck he wants.
i'm learning different styles of literary theory & criticism in my english classes right now, & i think something that they said in the class about criticism & theory about writing (& various forms of media, it doesn't just have to apply to writing) is that criticism & theory helps us see stories & interpret things in an infinite number of ways, & i think that's really nice. the only problem is when people start declaring their theories as true.
i've fallen into this, i'm sure a lot of bylers have, into the over analysis train. as much as i love theorizing about byler, looking at the cinematography & writing & editing & lighting & whatever, at the end of the day, we're all just theorizing based on the evidence that is presented to us. just because a light shines on will doesn't necessarily mean that mike sees him as his sunshine & true love, but we can definitely theorize that that's what it means! & after byler is confirmed canon in s5, (or god forbid it's not), we can finally have a resting answer to our theories. but again, a story is a story, you can still have theories about it even if the show is over.
it's your choice whether or not you want bi/gay mike truthers to interact with your page, it's your social media experience & you should be able to tailor it to how you see fit. the only thing i get upset about is the fighting over it. i just think the whole super heated debate about it is a bit silly.
anyway, that's my two cents. this was longer than what i thought it was gonna be & honestly more comprehensive than the video, so. i hope this makes sense. if you're a gay mike truther, you're valid. if you're a bi mike truther, you're valid. if you're an unlabeled mike truther, your valid. if you're using your analysis & theories as facts & as justification to be mean to others over the internet, you are in fact NOT valid.
#byler#stranger things#mike wheeler#bi mike truther#gay mike truther#bi mike wheeler#gay mike wheeler#byler analysis
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cut because I still remember that anon that said they prefer my fencesitting LMFAO
We as a people really need to spend some time with our byler elders (@kaypeace21 and co) because I promise you they figured out Mike was gay years before the "uppity" analysts of today did....and have pulled out / contextualized evidence even I think is crazy to read considering it was based on S3 alone š
Like? The fact that someone, arguably the strongest of the analysts of the fandom in their day, was writing āwhy I think Mike is gay and not Biā and "what Mike said was projection of him not liking girls" in August 2019 with shit word for word bar for bar telling you the framework that brought us S4 Mikeā¦friend you were a prophet before your time, and they maligned u for telling the truth, and now that we all see your vision people still think its debatable LMAO
#gay mike wheeler#the fact that the analysts of old who predicted ALMOST ALL we saw in S4 and walking into S5 were saying the same things we are#BEFORE#when that was the most fringe opinion you could have....lmao#I'm not starting discourse about this again but. like. the weight of your strongest analysts all taking the same side FOUR YEARS AGO?#the evidence in one direction is...much stronger. lets just say that LMAO#people DEFINITELY didn't understand kaypeace either tho so. Can't say I'm surprised its still a 'debate' even if much less so ā ļø#also now thinking about the Elliott/ET parallel somehow didnt AUTOMATICALLY undermine a romantic mlvn reading from the pitch for folks LMFA#stranger things#the me tag
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btw the reason why Iām so confident about gay mike isnāt because I think I have some sort of magic, fortune-telling, future-seeing powers that allow me to fully predict s5: itās because thereās heavy HEAVY amounts of evidence to indicate gay mike REGARDLESS of what happens in s5. Mike isnāt going to become gay in s5- heās been gay the ENTIRE TIME.
people seem to have some strange ideas about what counts as āconfirmed gay,ā and while I do think mike will be confirmed gay in s5, my gay mike analysis doesnāt hinge on that although I do talk about it sometimes, itās not the foundation on which my analysis of him being gay is based. even if we NEVER got s5, mike is clearly written as gay already.
like going back to what counts as āconfirmed gay,ā people were SO sure that will was gay before the duffers confirmed it and itās NEVER been verbatim āconfirmedā in the show in the way that some people expect gay mike to be confirmed. will didnāt have to say āIām gayā for people to know that he was gay before the duffers confirmed it, so why should mike? by some peoplesā standards of gay confirmation, will is not confirmed gay in the text of the show. but he is. because we can analyze the way heās written. and the reason why people struggle to see this with mike is because theyāre looking at mike and gayness through a will lens, I got an ask forever ago that I answered about āwell if mike is gay why isnāt he presented like will,ā and the thing is, we can conclude that mike is gay specifically BECAUSE he isnāt presented the same as will. think about it. if mike still had his same storyline with dating El AND his sexuality was presented the same way as Willās (framed around attraction to men rather than framed around lack of attraction to girls), mike would seem bi because we would see his attraction to men but not the lack of attraction to girls. and if they got rid of El and just had mike be exactly the same as will with no girlfriend and the presentation of his gayness framed mostly around attraction to men, then they would be the same character AND it would be inaccurate/boring because gay men arenāt a monolith. they didnāt want to make Mike bi which is why they DIDNT present his gayness the same way as Willās and keep the El relationship storyline and they DIDNT want to make mike gay in the same way as will and remove the El relationship because thatās the same character copy-pasted and provides a more narrow depiction of gay men. thatās why mikeās gayness is presented as being framed around a lack of attraction to girls- because thatās necessary to demonstrate his gayness in spite of his relationship with El.
Mike Wheeler is gay. He has been gay since the start. He is gay right now. He will be gay in s5 but being gay in s5 isnāt the only/core thing that the existence of his gayness/analysis of his gayness hinges on. They have been showing us the gay mike storyline tm since season one episode one.
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I don't understand why Gay Mike truthers are called biphobic. It's not that we don't want Mike to be bi or for there to be more bi rep on shows. There just isn't any evidence Mike is bi, and a lot to suggest that he's gay.
Me either. I feel like itās gotten better lately-ish. Like a year ago it felt like I had to make a disclaimer that I was bi everytime I tried to justify why I think Mike is gay lmao Iām not hating if you think Mike is bi, I just donāt think a lot of things line up with that and Iām tired of the biphobic accusations against people who point it out!! (not talking about every bi Mike truther just to be clear, just the ones who sling weird accusations)
One example Iāve talked about is how a lot of the the bi Mike proof is undone when we look at S2 and see the parallel narrative they created for Dustin and Dart:
Then weāve got things like āOur son with a girl?ā, āShe doesnāt even look like a girl!ā, āWith different hair, do you think [El] couldāve been Lonnieās boy?ā, āIāve got an ideaāboys only, āone wayā (as opposed to the common expression āgoing both waysā), āItās not my fault you donāt like girlsā (which is weird IMO bc it implies some sort of bisexual supremacy if Mike isnāt gayālike atleast I can still like girls unlike you!!āwhich could obviously happen irl but doesnāt make sense narratively, like underlying the surface level meaning of Will struggling with the girls being added to the partyānamely Elāitās also about Mikeās projection of his own insecurity onto Will, and we know that because Mike brings up the idea of never getting girlfriends in the next breath), and the fact that during his āloveā confession Mike could not actually pin point a moment where at the very least he realized that he had a crush on Elāinstead he quite literally just lied about being in love with her the moment he met her (which some bisexual truthers have tried to deny was a lie, but itās quite literally canon that Mike was going to send El to Pennhurst the next morning sooo??), and basically none of it makes sense to me as bisexual coding. To me, it makes sense in the context of viewers rewatching the show and being able to be like āomg haha boys only!! we shouldāve known he was gay!!ā
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Do we think the maire3xx person on twitter was legit now? I unfollowed after that farm leak on the Duffers birthday, but the latest Will leak has got me wondering again, since she did predict something off in his appearance...
Personally I think the evidence we have point to them being a fake that's just very good at guessing some things for now, I'm gonna keep the possibility that they are not lying open just because either way it doesn't actually hurt my personal theories since they say Mike is bi and byler is endgame lmaoooo
but if I have to be 100% fair I haven't seen any actual proof that they are telling the truth AT ALL and all the "leaks" so far are things that could be guessed by looking at the casting announcements for example, even Will looking possessed could have been guessed because in the finale he literally talks about how he's feeling the connection with Henry again... Like it's all very guessable so idk I don't actually believe them, I started following again just to see what they invent next but they have posted MULTIPLE fake pictures taken from the internet lying about having taken them themselves when they literally did not and also they keep posting too much, they look more like they want attention imo
Also if they were a real leaker they would be extremely stupid to risk being found out??? what if someone started messaging the production accounts to signal that account and they opened an actual investigation on who's running that? They are risking a lot if they really work there because there are ways to find out, and they have literally said for example that they filmed this scene personally so from this alone someone inside the production would understand exactly who they are
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Can't believe I have to say this but calling bi Mike gay erasure because you've decided a character with no canon sexuality is gay because of YOUR theory is the weirdest discourse ever. I've analysed gay Mike in the past and I've also spoken about bi Mike, because as of right now, everything is fair game. You can have your headcanons and discuss why you think you're correct (I've seen compelling arguments on both sides), but it's still just a headcanon.
I'm saying this because I've gotten a couple asks about "the discourse" and I cannot be bothered to actually respond, because of course if you have one conclusion in your mind, the evidence is going to point to that. Doesn't make you right. After S5, if Mike is explicitly shown to have a specific sexuality, then that's when it becomes weird to debate it. But as of right now, stop going after other people! And don't think I haven't noticed how weirdly biphobic a lot of people in this fandom are. Some of you act like people are stupid for even questioning that Mike could like girls or because they reject a widespread fanon that you decided on.
Sorry if this comes across as too angry but the infighting, asks and biphobia are driving me insane so yeah, don't do that guys! I know most people out there are compassionate and it's just a couple of people who got a bit too bold on anon but fandom is meant to be fun. It's a community, not a contest.
#it's so weird that it has to be all or nothing#apparently you can't like mike and will unless you accept one very specific version of fanon#byler#mike wheeler
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A couple of weeks ago I made this post where I said hat Iām under the impression that some of you guys have never written an exam where you had to analyze a piece of media before, and I just wanted to clarify what this was about as it comes up every time weāre having gay mike/bi mike discourse in the tag.
My post was never about peopleās analysis skills, it was about the mere fact that analyzing media is an exam format. Which would not be possible ifā¦?
You guessed it! āEvery interpretation is equally valid because everyone interprets things differentlyā.
If this was the case exams where you have to analyze a piece of media couldnāt be graded and thus wouldnāt exist. But they do exist because correct and incorrect interpretations are a thing!
See, your teachers have this sheet for grading those kind of exams which features the correct interpretation which is what the creator of the source material that youāre supposed to analyze intended with their work. There will be people who will actually pick up on the creatorās intentions and then there will be people who wonāt. And how close you are to the correct interpretation determines wether youāll get a good or bad grade.
Simply because everyone having their own interpretation doesnāt equal everyone having a correct interpretation which then again means that...?
You guessed it again! Not every interpretation is equally valid!
And the same exact thing goes for Stranger Things!
So pointing out that not every interpretation is equally valid, or rather pointing out that gay Mike is more valid than bi Mike does not make anyone biphobic. Weāre not saying that gay people are more valid than bi people, weāre saying that the show supports gay Mike while it does not support bi Mike thus making one interpretation more valid than the other.
And while Iām at it, let me clear up another misunderstanding:
When people say that the bi Mike interpretation is rooted in heteronormativity they do not mean that simply thinking that someone is bi is heteronormative thinking. They mean that the evidence for bi Mike is rooted in heteronormativity as a lot of it stems from thinking that Mike must be attracted to girls simply because he was dating one. And especially because the show actually actively works against the interpretation of Mike being attracted to girls by not showing any kind of attraction to girls from his side outside of melvin as well as invalidating any possible attraction to El with the use of family parallels, there is just no other explanation as to why people think Mike is attracted to girls other than heteronormativity. Thatās all that is.
#byler#this needed to be said#and i had to clear some things up because i cannot with people accusing everyone and their mama of biphobia for saying that mike isnāt bi
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āso why would the duffers NOT choose to do this? It's bold, but not THAT bold. it's not like making a gay film in the 80s or 90s. gay storytelling is not that uncommon these days.ā
To the anon who said this, Iād say youāre rightā¦ up to a point. Gay storytelling IS less uncommon, but look at the main contexts it typically shows up:
A. explicitly gay movies like call me by your name/moonlight/crush/love, simon
B) explicitly gay tv shows like heartstopper/young royals/love victor
C) Side characters in non-gay movies, very rarely the main characters or else it becomes a gay movie: lady bird/mean girls/the perks of being a wallflower/american fiction/nopeā¦ sometimes these characters donāt even get to kiss anyone or date anyone
D) Side characters in tv shows, very rarely the main characters or else it becomes a gay show: riverdale, bridgerton, locke & key, hsmtmtsĀ
E) if there are queer main characters in a non-gay show, theyāre usually established in season 1 so people know what to expect (for example, euphoria or chucky or yellowjackets or xo, kittyā¦ which still got a lot of backlash for āsuddenlyā making kitty bi).
F) Characters in very progressive animated films like Nimona or shows, often ones that get cancelled too, like The Owl HouseĀ
G) Literally Background characters in mainstream franchises like Marvel and Star Warsā¦ Marvel has had ONE gay kiss on screen and thatās the guy from eternalsā¦ itās had some other queer characters like valkyrie but they never get to do anything gay
H) Modern Disney Channel shows like Andi Mack where Cyrus Goodman became their first gay characterā¦ in 2019
There really isnāt anything like Stranger Things: a mainstream, non-gay, coming-of-age, sci-fi/horror show with no explicit, undeniable gay storylines suddenly- from the perspective of the GA- making one of its main characters, who has been in a fairly popular relationship with a girl since season 1, gay. And then going from 0 gay kisses to presumably multiple (including Robin and Vickie), where homosexuality is at the front and center inherently because of Willās main character arc and Mikeās head. This IS very new. We are not only saying this is happening, but that this has been the plan since the beginning because of secret clues planted in the show.
So thatās where the doubt comes from, I think. Especially when America and the world is getting more homophobic too, not less. Conservatives call us groomers. People still see homosexuality as a sin. SO many of the audience members see Mike as the straightest character of all time and are screaming Mike is not, has never been, and never will be gay or bi.
Bylerās so juicy and itās so bold, itās undeniably a straightbait, and it will blindside a lot of the audience who never saw any of the queer subtext in the show and assumed the most they would see is maybe Robin holding hands with a girl or Will having an unnamed bf at the end.
Even just look at the reaction to Noah when he came out from many so-called Stranger Things fans. The show has absolutely attracted a conservative audience. Was that the intention? No, but itās what happened. Non-homophobic audience members will be chill, but everyone else? It will be a wild time. Do the Duffers really want to make Stranger Things culture war public enemy number one? Time will tell.
All the evidence is in place. The only question. is, will the Duffers REALLY pull the trigger?
That requires a lot of faith.
(from this ask)
yea like stranger things isn't really a romance show in general, so putting a queer couple at the forefront of everything could surprise many
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Hi, I love your blog!!! It's so tubular to talk to fellow Stranger Things and Byler enthusiasts and you really get the characters. I wanted to ask, when do you think Mike and Will started liking each other, when do you think they realised it, and how oblivious are they to each other's feelings? Also any opinions you have on Mike's sexuality and his feelings for El? I'm aro-spec ace and way too fixated on analysing the platonic/romantic nuances of relationships, and it would be so cool if you could break those down in Mlvn and Byler. Make the answer as long as you like, I could talk about Byler for hours! This blog is totally sweet!!! Oh, any Byler headcanons you have too, sorry for such a long ask, lmao.
Sorry, i havenāt been checking my inbox and completely missed this ask š
I think Will has had a crush on Mike pretty much since he can remember, but itās around s3 that he starts to realise it, with everyone growing up and having to see Mike in a relationship. He represses it throughout the summer, and itās in s4 that heās consciously aware and accepts it. Will is still dealing with his own internalised homophobia though, and fully believes that Mike will never reciprocate, hence him giving away his feelings in the painting scene and essentially resigning himself to helping fix Mike and Elās relationship, since he wants them to be happy and thinks this is how that can be accomplished.
Mike is more complicated, but I do believe that he realised he was in love with Will/gay/bi/however you interpret it in the s3 finale. Just the flashing between his and Willās faces as the van drives off, focusing on him looking back at the Byers house and hugging Karen, and also him looking like heās having a *realisation* when El says she loves him (while kissing him in front of an open closet with āThe First I love youā playing - the song which also plays when Robin comes out to Steve in the episode prior). Heās aware of it then, but I think he seriously represses it and also doesnāt think Will is gay. Itās cool to see him leaning back into his more nerdy interests and being influenced by Eddie to be more carefree in s4 though, since we see him start to shed the idea of being ānormalā and conforming (which is a big theme for Karen and Nancy too. That damn Wheeler family š)
Iām still torn as to whether I see Mike as bi or gay. Pre-s4 i was firmly in the gay Mike Truther camp, but I can see them going either way and I think there is evidence to support either reading. S1-3 he comes off as possibly being bi, but s4 it seems like heās been written as gay. Either way, i hope they do it justice, as it will recontextualise his actions and his relationship with El differently depending on what his sexuality actually is.
Regarding El, I do think that he and El have work to do if they want to have a proper friendship after they break up. I donāt think theyāre immediately going to fall into being besties, since they donāt share a lot of interests, and we donāt actually see much of their dynamic as friends, since the romance overshadows it. Regardless, they care deeply for each other and Iād like to see them start to make up for lost time and form a friendship.
And finally for headcanons, we know Will gives art to Mike, so I imagine Mike also gives Will little stories and stuff he writes. After the stuff with Vecna is over, i love to think of them starting a comic series together, maybe taking inspiration from their own experiences with the UD and their friends. Theyād probably go to the same college too, and would move to a city, but still live a relatively quiet life and maybe adopt a dog. I think Mike would also start to listen to some of Willās music. We know he calls Should I Stay or Should I Go āthat weird songā in s1 and if we take his playlist as canon he seems to personally prefer synth music to rock, but I think heād probably listen to some of Willās faves to feel closer to him. Theyād both also love 90ās music, and we see that thereās a guitar in Mikeās room in s4 (probs Eddieās influence) so maybe heād try to play something for Will.
Thatās all I can think of for now, but I hope this is fun to read and I answered everything well enough! Sorry for leaving it so late lol
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Iām a queer Mike wheeler truther, and Iām not sure what the Duffer Brothers are going to do in regards to his sexuality. Thereās some really good bi and gay evidence. Heās def a boy kisser tho.
anyway, besides what you personally imagine him as, how do you think the Duffers will handle it.
#byler#mike wheeler#stranger things#gay mike truther#gay mike wheeler#queer mike wheeler#bi mike wheeler#Boy kisser Mike wheeler#mike wheeler is bi#mike wheeler is gay#the duffer brothers
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