You know how the sound creature in Scherzo wants the Doctor and Charley to sacrifice themselves for it because that's the only concept of love it's ever had? And the reason for that is because it's only ever heard Charley and the Doctor talk about love - it was literally born from their resentment, their love, every single sound they made? And from their words it learned emotion and desire, and the Doctor's first sacrifice of sound put reason to that emotion far, far too quickly; it learned from "Of course I loved you, I killed myself for you!" but it didn't understand what that meant. (I mean, did the Doctor?) Charley and the Doctor idolize the idea of one another, and Scherzo is the point where that falls apart, where they have to face the aftermath of the grand gestures they made in Neverland and Zagreus and they realize that their broken reality and broken selves aren't quite what they thought. The sound creature's concept of love is based entirely around self-sacrifice for some grander idea because that's how Charley wants it to be, that's the only way the Doctor understands it. And it learned from them far too well, even as its accelerated maturity meant it didn't understand anything.
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after seeing many posts over the past year or so about what level of murder and violence is in-character for the riddler, and changing my own opinion on it so many times, i’m finally writing my own take about it. i’m gonna preface this by saying i’m not writing this to hate on anyone’s interpretations, nor am i vagueing anyone who’s posted their own takes on this recently - i don’t think there’s a “correct” interpretation here, actually! i’m just here to infodump :]
first things first, the riddler does in fact kill people, we know this. but, i do think i know what comic contributed most to the misconception that he’s never killed anyone back in the early days of his character, and to the interpretation that he’s just a little guy whose crimes are mostly harmless:
(from when is a door, by neil gaim*n - censoring his name because he’s on this website and i’m afraid of somehow summoning him)
i often see this page cited by people who think the riddler should be a silly harmless guy, and it very much shaped my own cringey sanded-down interpretation of the rogues before i got deep into comics. but how true is it? (disclaimer, i know that “when is a door” is about nostalgia for the silver age/batman ‘66/etc. era of batman media, not neil gaim*n claiming that this is how every batman comic has been before a certain point - i'm not trying to actually disprove anything that was said in this page, and a lot of the examples i'll be mentioning were published after this comic.) first, let’s look at his pre-crisis appearances.
right from the riddler’s first introduction in detective comics #140, he puts some dude in a puzzle death trap. in many of his following appearances, he tones it down and mostly just sticks to stealing shit or trying to kill batman, with no civilian casualties. (not always, though - there’s a few issues here and there where he kills a random guy or tries to blow up the city, like batman #292 and detective comics #362.) there are very few issues where his crimes are almost entirely harmless, like the brave and the bold #68. this statement from jim gordon in batman #362 sums him up, for the most part:
things start getting more inconsistent in the 80s/90s part of the post-crisis era, which was when the previously mentioned “when is a door” was published. you have the question #26, which implies that the riddler has been very harmless up until this point - gordon states that the only person edward is likely to hurt with his crimes is himself, and he’s considered such a minor threat that they let him go free because prosecuting him wouldn’t be worth the effort. then there’s dark knight, dark city, where he happily tries to kill a whole bunch of people including babies for the sake of a scheme. then there’s showcase ‘94 #4, with this comment from jeremiah arkham:
then there’s the batman chronicles #3, where he’s back to casually shooting people to death. then there’s the long halloween and dark victory, where he’s some pathetic guy who kinda just shows up sometimes and isn’t enough of a threat for batman to send to arkham. you get the idea. of course, there’s more within these issues than what i’ve mentioned - in the question #26, he’s pretty on board to start killing people despite his previous harmlessness, while in dark knight dark city, both his henchmen and batman comment on his bloodthirstiness as being out of the ordinary for him. (not to mention that it’s debatable how much control he had over his actions, because he was kinda being possessed by demons.)
unfortunately i’m not going to keep going down a timeline of every riddler comic because there’s still so many i haven’t read, and this post was mostly meant to analyze his 40s - 90s appearances as many characters began taking a darker turn after that point. i have a few more screenshots from the 2000s onwards pointing to a generally harmless riddler, but there really aren't many:
(i don’t remember which one this is from, sorry)
(catwoman lonely city #2 by cliff chiang - i feel like i maybe shouldn’t include it because it’s an elseworld, but it did influence my own characterization of edward back when i interpreted him this way. i recommend this comic so much btw)
i don’t really have a conclusion for this post, or a specific interpretation i'm arguing for - i just wanted to analyze how accurate this somewhat-common fanon portrayal of him is, based on the era of comics that i think a lot of fans are drawing from. thanks for coming to my riddler ted talk :]
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Time for the 8th Chen cover! I have once again taken a tiny break from posting, but I'm back! Today I bring you the Circus Cover for Chen! I LOVE this! It's so upbeat and dramatic, just like a circus should be!
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Aziraphale: Please leave all emotional attachments at the door! Thank you! Have a blessed day!
Crowley: For somebody’s sake, what did they do to you?
Aziraphale: Watch your step coming out of the elevator. Have a blessed day!
Crowley: No.. you’re not him. You’re not even an Angel. You can’t be. You’re some kind of.. clone. Or a hologram.
Aziraphale: What?! No, I can assure you I am a real Angel! Maybe we’re having a bad connection, I’m terribly sorry about that.
Crowley: Just tell me you’re Aziraphale. My Angel.. Just say that… Please.
Aziraphale: … I am a real angel.
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