#the truth about tanacon

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Andrew Siwicki ❤️

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Tossing tea into the sea.

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I can’t believe Shane Dawson just invented investigative journalism

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I’m not even in that fandom or whatever and I’m hardly active on tumblr anymore but like I have thoughts on Tanacon

Why the f is everyone defending Tana? Yeah, Michael seems kinda sketchy but Tana literally said “people like to be oppressed” they both basically said they want people to wait outside, from what I’ve seen, I feel like they were both fully aware of the fact that they were going over capacity. 

And that freaking “important” network party? Don’t act like that was for real, she was literally drinking for fun, there is no way in hell she was trying to solve anything. 

Yes, Michael probably srewed her but she is also an adult. She is older than I am and by no means am I saying I could run a convention, I’m just saying I know that you have to freaking double check stuff and that that hotel doesn’t look like it could hold 5,000 people. That’s literally a 30 sec google search?! Especially if people have already told her Michael is sketchy. Like? That’s not that hard, as a grown adult you should know that! 

Seriously, not defending Michael in any way, I just haven’t really formed an opinion on him yet, cause it’s all hella confusing/contradicting info but I know for sure that Tana made a ton of mistakes and either Shane is too biased and protective of her or she’s also messing with shane (which i highkey think cause some of the stuff she told him in the vid sounded sketchy af)

[holey-ghost]

yo this goodtimes guy that was in charge of tanacon.......... It was him............ Yeah Tana fucked up but like..... This dude lied about everything.

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Tana: [has a whole breakdown in front of Shane because of tanacon]

Shane: this is so sad. Alexa, play superluv.

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[Belle]: O fuc

[teepussilakana]

if college in america wasnt so expensive maybe we wouldnt have so many youtubers in their teens/ early twenties making shitty content and causing drama

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You have probably already informed yourself, but here is a masterlist anyway.

MAJOR CONTENT WARNINGS: BLACKFACE, SLURS, RACIST COMMENTS, CHILD PREDATORY COMMENTS, NSFW CONTENT, BEASTIALITY, TRANSPHOBIA, MISHANDLING OF MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, OUTING AND MORE! PLEASE PROCEED WITH CAUTION.

Shane Dawson has been shown to mock black people on several occasions, saying the n word, doing blackface and creating stereotypical recurring characters.

When beginning on YouTube, Shane had a character called “Shanaynay” who was supposed to be a “ghetto-white girl”. When playing her, Shane often used ghetto stereotypes. She was a recurring character from 2008-2011. Although he has long stopped playing this character, he was continuing to sell the merch and profit off his racism as recently as last year!

He has also done blackface in his character skits, and said the n word as Shanaynay. On one of these occasions, he called an actual black woman a “n*gga bitch monkey woman”. Watch the full video for all occasions.

Here are some additional comments on this matter.

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Shane Dawson has acted inappropriately with and around minors for a long time.

He has probably done this even more than his blackface, and that’s saying something.

This clip, which went around last year, contains him calling a 6-year-old child sexy and admitting to googling CP. This is from his Shane and Friends podcast, which contains a lot of explicit clips.

He has also asked his teenage fan to “show herself” and “shut up and twerk”. This is from 3:55 - 4:29 in this video.

One of the instances really going around on Twitter at the moment is him pretending to jerk off to a picture of the then-11 year old Willow Smith.

A reminder that her family has not forgiven him, so neither should you!

Honestly, there are way too many occasions of this. Please check out this Twitter thread which lists a lot of times he has made inappropriate comments and did inappropriate things.

Another very distasteful thing he has done is claim to solve the murder of an actual six-year-old child, profiting off “speaking” to her spirit.

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Shane Dawson has joked about bestiality on camera multiple times.

This is just straight-up weird. It went around a lot last year, but in case you’ve forgotten, here is a playlist of a few clips. He also rubbed his face in his dog’s crotch but I can’t find a direct video of that by itself.

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Shane Dawson is transphobic as hell.

Watch this full video for the details where he uses trans as an insult and says tr*nny while knowing it is a derogatory term.

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Shane Dawson has promoted and supported terrible people and channels.

This has been a long-time criticism of his viral documentary series, but it is still important to remember.

Let’s start with the problems with this in chronological order. 

His first viral documentary series was The Truth about Tanacon.

Tanacon, to begin with, had several issues. Despite big dreams, it failed spectacularly due to lack of organisation and preparation before the event. There were many last minute changes and it generally lacked several necessities in events. Some issues were disorganised registrations, reserved meet and greets that didn’t go through the system, clashings with VidCon (a bigger event), inappropriate content creators, adversied content creators that didn’t appear, condoms in the goodie bag, lies about free tickets, no food, no room for anything, one hallway, lack of regulation in wristbands, underestimation of guests, overly expensive merch, no cooling system, no fire solutions (meaning they kicked everyone out) and it goes on. 

Despite actual people suffering due to the incompetency of Tana, Shane made her out to be an innocent martyr. This gets even worse as you realise than Tana has been exposed for several racist comments throughout her YouTube career.

Shane is clearly shown to be a terrible interviewer, presenting more as a friend than someone who is willing to find the “truth” of Tanacon. Instead of learning about Tanacon from an unbiased journalist, we get an obscured version of what happened, engineered to sympathise with Tana instead of her admitting to her mistakes.

Yet, this somehow was only the beginning of the problems with the documentary series, as the next one was with Jeffree Starr.

I don’t even know where to begin with the problems with this.

Firstly, Jeffree is perhaps the most problematic YouTuber who is still popular on the website. He has been exposed as racist, sexist, supporting of rapists, terrible to fans, transphobic, ableist, fatphobic, homophobic, insensitive to suicidal people, sexualising of minors, fascist and violent. Check out this thread here for the full details and proof of these claims.

Shane is not stupid. He is aware of these controversies, but has continued to support Jeffree. When a fan called him out, he was extremely rude and was very mad, and supporting all the hate the fan was getting.

The entire documentary series is about him befriending Jeffree, and making him out to be a good person. 

Jeffree should NOT be given a positive platform like this, and he should NOT be continuing to get away with being “cancelled”. So many other YouTubers have been “cancelled” for lesser things, yet Jeffree manages to always get away with it.

The next documentary series was the Jake Paul series. This is perhaps his most controversial documentary series.

Shane is not a therapist, a psychiatrist or a mental health professional. Even though he did consult some people, they are not allowed to diagnose people based on suspicions and videos. Yet, throughout the entire series, he calls Jake Paul a sociopath, and using that label to justify everything he has done.

Jake and Logan have both stirred up some of the biggest controversies on the platform, yet Shane gave them the ability to thrive. Like he did with Tana and Jeffree, he humanised him and edited it to the audience would sympathise with Jake. He has been exposed to scam his young fans, been rude to his neighbours and cast members, made light of serious disorders like anxiety, saying the n word and doing several things for clout, such as “marrying” Tana Mongeau.

As addressed in the documentary series, Alissa Violet, Jake’s ex-girlfriend, has shared her stories of physical abuse in the Team 10 mansion in private life, yet Shane did not fully address this or even mention this to Jake in the episode after. This further proves that Shane is incapable of running a documentary series with such deep themes as he will gloss over them or not address them properly.

This issue is further seen in his documentary with Eugenia Cooney.

A warning that I have not actually seen this as I have heard it contains triggering subject material which I do not wish to subject myself to in interests for my personal mental health - I am only going off the statements of experts and viewers.

In theory, this documentary could have been brilliant. After all, it is two people who have gone/is going through eating disorders and discussing it. However, experts have said that this could be harmful and it is easy to see why.

As much as I do not like Shane, I, and experts, do believe that he had good intentions behind this documentary. However, it probably would have been better if they consulted an expert regularly throughout the documentary when handling a touchy subject. After all, many of Shane’s viewers are young and/or influential, and a correct portrayal of a subject which is terrifying and real to many people watching is very important.

Here is an excerpt from this article about how he handled this:

Other fans were concerned with Cooney's safety, given that she referred to having an eating disorder in the past tense, signaling that she may not be considering further treatment.

"She certainly looks like she is physically healthier, but mentally she still seems like she's struggling a lot and she tries to cover it with her overwhelming positivity," another comment on the video says.

Experts who spoke with INSIDER — and who have not personally treated Cooney — are wary of considering Cooney's treatment a success story.

"When we are in the midst of our eating disorder we are very, very good at wearing masks. We're very good at playing a role that is very convincing and wants to let people know that we're okay," Chevese Turner, the Chief Strategy & Policy Officer for the National Eating Disorders Association, told INSIDER."A month of treatment is just barely scratching the surface of the road to recovery. While she put on a good face and was very chipper and cheerful, I'm not convinced that's what's going on inside. How do any of us know for sure?"

While both experts told INSIDER they believe Dawson had good intentions, they also expressed numerous concerns with the way the video presented the reality of eating disorders, and Cooney's recovery in particular. Turner says having Cooney share her story could be very cathartic, but she worries how much of her appearance was intended to resurrect or preserve her career."What's essentially happening is that people are bullying her online for her looks and her body and that does have an impact, it impacts all of us when that happens. For someone with an eating disorder, the impact can be devastating. I think [Dawson is] trying to help in his own way, but probably the thing that would help the most is her having more time in recovery," Turner said.

"I don't want to speculate, but obviously her success on YouTube is a driving factor to get back to work. None of us know if she's fully capable for that work and I would want to believe that the people around her who care about her most are confident that she can handle it," she continued. "I hope that they'll encourage her to take a break."

Overall, it has been shown that Shane is unfit to handle a documentary series with his evidently extremely biased views, and he should consult more professionals when editing. Although many people would argue that he has good intentions, it is possible to have good intentions while being irresponsible. Shane is aware of his large audience, and his influence over people around the globe. He should be more careful when creating a video with strong themes which many viewers may be suffering through or offended by. 

Either than his documentary series, Shane is also friends with other problematic people outside it - most infamously, Trisha Paytas. 

Trisha Paytas’ brand has become being extremely controversial. However, this doesn’t excuse that she has done and should not normalise her behaviours. She has been proved to be very transphobic and homophobic, as well as racist, ableist, abusive and insensitive to people with mental illnesses and disorders, notably DID. She lives to stir up drama on YouTube and more recently, TikTok. Despite being aware of this, Shane has continued to be close friends with her and excusing what she does because she’s just Trisha.

He has also openly supported far-right people on Twitter, giving harmful conspiracies a platform on his channel.

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Shane Dawson has contributed to destroying growing/popular channels.

When 20-year-old growing YouTuber Bobby Burns released a video giving valid criticism to Shane Dawson, Shane featured him on his channel and pushed him as a heater.

This was not a thing which only happened once. Shane decided to continue to feature him on his channel, branding him as a hater. However, Shane’s dedicated fanbase did not like this and began to send hate to Bobby. Due to the lack of popularity, Shane stopped interacting with Bobby and didn’t feature him in any more videos without attempting to “save his career” like he has done with so many other people.

That is not to say that Bobby is faultless. I am not that familiar with his content, but I have heard that he did contribute to his channel’s demise, which makes sense. However, as a huge content creator, it was irresponsible of Shane to take a growing channel and brand him as a negative hater. He is aware of his audience, and that is important to remember. When he has such a large fanbase, he needs to be more careful with the videos he is showing them, and the characterisations of YouTubers.

However, what Shane is going under fire most recently is his involvement in the James Charles scandal last year.

Despite denial, Shane has been proved to play an important role in the “cancelling” of James last year, encouraging Tati to upload the video and making false accusations of predatory behaviour. This was highly likely done to degrade a competitor’s palette so his collaboration with Jeffree would be more successful.

Recently, he posted these screenshots on Twitter and then deleted the Tweet.

This proves his blatant immaturity. Somehow, James, the youngest of the four YouTubers involved in the scandal, has grown up the most. Shane was a part of the downfall of James, causing him to debate suicide. His defence for this was saying that he “needed to be served a slice of humble pie the size of the fucking Empire State Building”.

James Charles is not faultless, and he should not be made out to be an angel or a martyr in this situation. However, no one deserves to have suicidal thoughts, and anyone who defends this by saying that it was the humbling he needed is disgusting.

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Shane Dawson attempted to out Dan and Phil for views and clout.

As a bisexual man who has opened up about his fear of being outed when he was closeted, he should be ashamed of everything he did to Dan and Phil.

Like many YouTubers at the time, Shane used the Phandom to get views and subscribers. In doing this, he objectified and sexualised Dan to his young and influential audience. Check out this video where he said that he wanted to facefuck Dan in an orgy while watching a video where he just turned 18. In that clip, he also split up Dan and Phil into “cute” and “not cute”. 

It even went to the point where he asked the Psychic Twins about the sexuality of Dan and Phil. In this clip, he accuses them of queerbaiting as well as supporting the Psychic Twins’ invasive and insensitive comments about them not dressing gay enough, diss of them refusing to go on their podcast and outing and stereotyping them. This was as recent as 2017.

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There are actually a lot of other reasons why Shane is under a lot of controversy at the moment. Here were my sources, and some further reading for anyone interested:

THE PROBLEM WITH SHANE DAWSON: a thread

shane dawson sexualizing young children: a thread

One of YouTube's biggest stars made a viral 'documentary' about another YouTuber's eating disorder. Experts say it could be harmful for its subject and audience.

Jake Paul tried to use looting for YouTube views, and is facing charges. These are all the ways the controversial star has stirred up outrage in the past.

Trisha Paytas’ racism

THE PROBLEM WITH JEFFREE STAR: a thread

EVERYTHING WRONG WITH TANACON: an ongoing thread

So what from here? Shane has released an apology video, but words don’t mean anything without action. Here are some suggestions for what he could do to actually show further improvement.

He could stop doing conspiracy videos in the harmful and biased style he is known for, and delete his videos despite the views.

He could stop being friends with such toxic and controversial people.

He could donate his money and time to helping out the #BlackLivesMatter movement, and to black charities/organisations in general. It does not negate what he has done, and it is not in my place to forgive him if he does do that, but it would represent his improvement.

He could formally apologise to the parents and the family of the children he has sexualised.

But he will probably not do that. However, as a hater of cancel culture, I hope that he does improve as a person. It is not my goal to send hate, but to inform people. Sending Shane death threats or insensitive comments are the last things we need. To criticise him for doing that, then doing it yourself is hypocritical and harmful. Instead, we’ll just have to inform ourselves and wait for the future.

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Shane Dawson Over Party?

     I have had issues with Shane for a while. As well as Jeffree. I have issues with Shane’s problematic friendships. Personally, I don’t believe Shane, or Jeffree Star are racist. Have they done racist things, yes they have. Doing something racist and being racist are completely different, but still vile. Within the context of Jeffree and Shane, I have forgiven Shane’s past indiscretions do to his ignorance. However...comma...I have not forgiven Jeffree because he continues to make excuses or ignores responsibility for past abuses of ignorant behavior. Some he has acknowledged, others...not so much. I do understand the kind of person Jeffree is, and what motivates him, but regardless of that understanding, he needs to do the right thing when it comes to past indiscretions when it comes to race, and using predatory accusations to further himself and ruin others regardless of the context of the character of the other person. My forgiveness for Shane however, has lessened do to his enabling of Jeffree and and other “friends.” 

     Shane is selfish when it comes to his “friendships.” Shane is clever and manipulative, and do to his mental health, and selfishness, constantly wants drama to go away, so he doesn’t have to deal with it, other than taking responsibility. He makes excuses for his “friends,” and enables/excuses their behavior, therefor, emboldening, and being complicit and being an enabler! Shane imo see’s himself as a savior, and see’s himself/projects himself in his “friends/people he tries to help.” Because they all have something in common, mental health, trauma, lack of a father figure, and abuse. Do to this, regardless of Shane’s good intentions, he has enabled bad people with bad behavior, furthering their platform, and enabling their behavior when they should be getting help. He makes excuses for them, gaslights his audience, instead of them taking responsibility for their actions.  

     He is not a qualified counselor, or therapist. He however, is trying to be. There was a moment when Faze Banks was talking to Shane about some drama with Tanacon, and what struck me was when Shane said, “I just wanted it to go away.” Speaking of when fans were talking about passing out, and experiencing sunburn, and the trauma that came from that. They needed justice, and Shane just wanted it to go away.  When you have Faze Banks of all people correcting you that it can’t just “go away,” and needs to be dealt with, that says a lot about you, and that said a lot about Shane, to me. He was more concerned with the drama going away, then taking responsibility. Shane does suffer from white privilege, and ignorance. Regardless of lack of malicious intent, his behavior is still unacceptable. I have waited for Shane to do the right thing, and not pass too many judgments, but he keeps choosing wrong. 

     People defending James Charles makes zero sense to me, do to the fact that James, is vapid, shallow, and horrible himself. He’s just as bad as Jeffree, just a lot more clever! Has James changed? I...are you fucking kidding me? Nah! He has however cleaned up his public image...for now. Shane passing judgement on James despite the same can be said about Jeffree is laughable. People coming after Shane on behalf of James is an oxymoron. My grasp of the situation is, Tati revealed her truth about James, which was her right, but she shouldn’t have done it the way she did. I do believe Shane is highly influenced and manipulated by Jeffree. That doesn’t take away from Shane’s complicitness. Jeffree was an opportunist, and used James’ alleged victims for his own personal gain.  Against a teenager. And Shane has the gall to say, “James needed to be humbled.” Then Shane gaslights and manipulates everyone into believing that this behavior from the  “guru’s” is acceptable/expected because, “Welcome to the circus?” 

     Shane’s lack of sensitivity, and awareness of the situation is troubling. I really believe he believes this, but I know a part of him doesn’t, and is trying to protect Jeffree. He knows Jeffree is fucked up, Shane just doesn’t care. Because he thinks he can Fix and save Jeffree. The way people are obsessed with this situation, is beyond me. People are far too invested. All these people are self employed. The worse part is people are also using virtue signaling, and racism, to cancel for their own agenda, and it has nothing to do with justice. That’s obvious. Outrage culture has run a muck, and the excuse is people are tired of racists getting away with it, but this ain’t that fight. It’s a waste of time, when there are literally bigger MORE important fights. You don’t like Jeffree, don’t watch him. You don’t like Shane, don’t watch him. You don’t like James, don’t watch him. You don’t like Tati, don’t watch her. That’s the situation. Should JeffreexShane be held accountable, yes! Is what I’m seeing from the masses that, absolutely fucking not. Save your energy for the real protests, not this mob of insanity, that will not do a fucking thing to advance people of color/ minorities at all. Outrage and cancel culture can fuck right off. It just makes it harder for the real fights, and the reason why those people get away with it. 

EDIT: Update. I’ve seen a lot more racist stuff Jeffree and Shane have done, and am floored. This has gone beyond not watching them, to definitely holding them accountable. I’m still seeing over reaching from a few, but they definitely need to be deplatformed at this point. They have shown no real remorse, nor offered any real true tangible understanding of what they’ve done, especially Shane. After so long he’s only NOW kind of talking about it, and saying sorry. It’s insane!  

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Hi, former Jeffree and Shane fan, back again. I started watching Shane when I was around 13, and Jeffree around 14. It was Shane's "documentary" that got me started watching Jeffree. They are *extremely* good at manipulation, and I wanted to share my personal experience and analysis on how they manipulate their young audiences into defending them and playing their disgusting actions off as no big deal. (1)

They both *severely* downplay their actions in a very purposeful way. In the first Jeffree PR stunt (because that's what it was) they showed a *couple* clips that Jeffree had an *almost* understandable defense for. He claimed he called a group of white women the n word because they were calling him the f slur, and he just wanted to hurl another insult at them. They didn't address any other instances of him using the n word. (2) 

They also used the clip of him saying to (trigger warning) throw battery acid in a black woman's face to lighten her skin. However, they cut it down, and Jeffree said it was as part of a "skit" making fun of people who "actually meant" when they said those sorts of things, again portraying himself as a misunderstood victim. This was around the same segment where Jeffree discussed his past self-harm issues, purposefully creating extra sympathy so his actions would be received with a softer (3) 

response. They went very into Jeffree's personal struggles, and glossed over his actions that had hurt others, claiming it was a "hurt people hurt people" situation. Jeffree also claimed he carried a cleaver with him because he constantly got assaulted for wearing makeup as a man, though it's been proven he's used tasers, fists, and other weapons to threaten, harass, and assault people with no provocation. Again, gaslighting. (4) 

I think Shane's claims of being an empath, and his constant talk about his poor mental health, draw a lot of people who do have a lot of empathy and sympathy. At least, that was my case. I liked seeing "people who changed" be able to move on and become "better people" and be successful. It made me happy. I was also questioning at the time, and it felt nice to watch two people very open and proud with their sexuality and gender expression. (5)

They said they hated when their pasts were brought up, and hated that people saw those actions. Because I was very young, and felt very bad for them, I didn't look any further into the issues. I trusted them, and that was solidified by other fans who shared the same mentality. An echochamber, if you will. They clearly are *trying* to appeal to younger, more gullible audiences, and given what's come out about Shane, that's extra disgusting and disturbing. (6) 

I was also in a bad mental place at the time of discovering them. Their constant use of their own "dark places" appealed to me, and made me feel more understood. I never *was a racist* because of my struggles, but I *was* dealing with self-hatred, depression, and a few other issues that made their stories connect with me. The stories *they* portrayed, anyway. I took comfort in their content and their successes and hoped I could achieve such things someday. (7) 

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They purposefully appeal to hurt, vulnerable, and struggling people, at least when they're making content *together*. They rely on ignorance, and that ignorance relies on sympathy. Once I saw the full context of the clips, and the other clips they ignored, I realized who they truly were. I was presented with clips they tried to bury and hide, actions they never addressed that I couldn't have known about unless seeking out information or being presented with it by a third party. (9) 

Their very good at knowing what young, damaged people want to hear and see. They also enable, present the narrative that being in a "dark place" is an *excuse* for terrible behavior, and you don't need to own up to that behavior if you yourself have struggled, which has an obvious appeal to it for anyone with a dark past. I finally realized they might not be telling the truth of their actions and personalities with the Tanacon series... I'm ashamed it took so long. Thank you for listening. (10) 

- That is so disgusting oh my god I’m sorry that happened to you. I can’t help but find myself in this a lot when I think about my Jacksepticeye fan days and reflect where the state of things is at now.. But ofcourse Shane and Jeffree are absolute pieces of shit and shouldn’t be given a platform to ever do shit like this again. I hope you can move on, Nothing but the best for you anon! Thank you for telling me your story.

[kbeanz19]

“The Truth About Tanacon” My Thoughts, Ideas, and Fangirling over Shane

I’m really glad Shane has taken charge in finding the truth in this whole situation and is trying his best to right a wrong he had no part in.

Shane has made it clear that he just wants the truth and for people to be held accountable for what happened.  He’s not on Tana’s side or against her, he just wants answers.

What Morgan said in the To Be Continued at the end.  It’ll be interesting to hear the rest of what Morgan has to say.  It seems like even she doesn’t understand what’s up with Tana.  The fact she was fine with saying nothing and partying when thousands of people were burnt and upset in their hotel rooms. I know Tana said she was afraid to say anything, but it’s not a good look for her to go out and party after her own convention went up in smoke.

I think Good Times is definitely doing some shady work and may have scammed everyone.  I think Tana handled the post-con situation very poorly and should have looked into the company more.  Shane showed in the video that is was very easy to look up the hotel’s capacity on their website so why didn’t Tana do it?  Why wouldn’t she want to see what her own convention center would look like?  What about the gift bags that were supposed to be 4x the price of the tickets, which would be $260.  Did Tana not know what would be in the bags?  Shouldn’t the gift bags have been approved by her if she’s in charge of the convention?  Is Michael Weist even the CEO of Good Times, or is he a figurehead and is being used by a bigger force in the company?  Shane will be speaking to Weist in the upcoming videos so I don’t know how he can redeem himself unless he really isn’t the con man and was manipulated too.  I’ll be looking forward to seeing how it all unfolds.

Ideas for how to make it up to the people who went to Tanacon                    

Refund everyone who bought a ticket and give additional compensation for the plane fare, rental cars and room and board most of them had to buy as well.

Hold some kind of free meet and greet in LA for those who had reserved a meet and greet with Shane at Tanacon.  

Do 30-60 minute long Skype chats with those who don’t live near LA.

The last thing I wanna say is that I really wish Shane thought more highly of himself. He truly thought that most people would be going to the con for Tana and was shocked when he learned that most went for him.  Even though he has over 14 million subscribers and never does conventions so many fans thought Tanacon was their only chance to ever meet him.  I’ve been watching him for years and I’ve seen how his work has evolved and how he’s matured into the person he is today.  His current videos are the best he’s ever made and he so giving and compassionate to his audience and to those he loves.  He’s just inspiring to watch when you know what his childhood was like and I just wish he saw himself the way the people who care about him see him.  <3

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TT82: YouTube Creator of 2018 - Shane Dawson

As Trash Talk crowns Shane Dawson as the YouTube Creator of 2018, we take a look back at his three documentaries on YouTube. We cover everything from the real truth about Tanacon to the dark mind of Jake Paul.

[sillypenguinwitch]

Okay but does anyone actually believe that the Marriott hotel could actually hold 5,000 people? I don’t think the hotel ever told them that 5,000 would be fine and 1,000 “just the number in the contract”. It’s in the fucking contract for a reason. So if it’s not in the contract, I don’t think they said it. I think Michael and Tana have agreed on telling everyone this to justify the 5,000 available tickets. Idk who scammed who about the number of free tickets etc but I know that Tana literally said people like standing outside and being “oppressed” and Michael agreed so idk about anything else but I think they were fully aware they were going over capacity and thus making it unsafe for fans (not even just talking about sunburns here, too many people in one place is never a good idea and if someone had actually thought there was a shooter or smth like those girls said in shane’s first video and everyone had panicked and tried to get outside or idk where, that could have been so freaking dangerous)

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Okay, THE TRUTH ABOUT #TanaCon

•V.I.P. tickets SOLD: 5,108.

•Free tickets: 200 or 300.

•Security guards: 25 (they cost $60,871.25).

•CAPACITY: 1,000.

•MONEY GENERATED BY THE EVENT:$325,000.

•Ticket Company: VEEPS.

•WHO HAS THE MONEY FOR THE REFUND: MICHAEL WEIST, AKA "GOOD TIMES".

[darling-stay-with-me]

Live Thoughts of The Real Truth About TanaCon

- I am pleased that Shane called Tana out on her intentions for Tanacon. Coz I didn’t really know the full story but hearing that it was all organised as revenge because Vid Con wouldn't let her be a creator or whatever is a bit shady. Also in the 2nd part when Michael said that he tried to get her to change the date and venue of the convention because there wasn’t going to be enough time to organise something decent. But Tana really wanted it to be the same date as VidCon speaks volumes

- I appreciate that she is accepting Shane’s criticism and isn’t fighting back, trying to defend herself. 

- I feel as though Shane should be mediating this phone conversation a bit better. I feel we are just going around and around in circles. 

- Hmm that footage that Tana shows definitely sheds a different light on the subject and her involvement

- Ahh so that is why Michael was saying he was going to go bankrupt because of it. He has to find the money to refund the tickets.

I think that at the end of the day BOTH Tana and Michael were at fault. I don't think you can push the blame onto one person. I think Michael was over his head and was trying his best with the timeframe he was given. Tana’s intentions weren’t good, purely based on revenge and she needed to have done more research on the matter before launching in on this. 

Also, they are both so fucking young as well. They shouldn’t be in charge of such things. 

I just hope that the fans that were fucked over by this get their money back.