#the problem with internet discourse is The Everything about internet discourse

[elvisqueso]

for some reason, the "cishets at pride" discourse is still going on and i only ever really see the One Tweet about it (which is usually a Sign that it's not actually as big of an issue as the rest of the internet made it seem), so I went to look at OP's tweets to see if there was more context and here's what I've learned:

the original tweet was meant to be a joke (i guess)

it exploded when other people took it personally (understandable, bc the internet) and then the Discourse started

the broad summary around the joke's sentiment is really that many queer women (especially queer women of color) are feeling less safe at PRIDE and in other queer spaces as more non-queer people become comfortable attending those spaces

their fears are generally reasonable and based on personal experiences with (usually white) cishet men harassing/assaulting them in places where they were meant to feel safe

they also feel that the community at large doesn't support them or believe them when they try and voice their fears

the other side— which took the tweet personally— are (i think at the general core) people who've often felt alienated in queer spaces bc they don't "perform queerness" in a certain way and so felt they weren't welcome at PRIDE or in queer spaces unless they conformed to someone else's ideas of queerness

basically, you have two sides with valid positions talking past each other. bc the internet

i think the thing to learn here is that the queer community at large needs to recognize that while it's REALLY GOOD that PRIDE has become more accessible and so "mainstream" society is becoming more accepting of queerness (and perhaps making people feel safer and more comfortable being out publicly in general as a result), there's also a responsibility to look after the vulnerable members of the community and not ignore them if they say they're feeling unsafe (because the previously more exclusive space is no longer as exclusive).

we should keep in mind that predatory men have ALWAYS invaded queer spaces with the express purpose of harassing queer people— especially queer women. that doesn't mean we need to constantly be on guard if a dude with a dick happens to be in the area (that's no way to live), but we do need to be realistic bc there is, unfortunately, a LOT of historical precedent.

he might not show up on your arm, but if a guy is at the event and he isn't acting right, then the community needs to stand by its most vulnerable members and protect them first.

at the same time: queerness is not actually an exclusive lil clique. it's a broad swathe of humanity. if you really, really can't feel safe or comfortable at public events bc you can't handle being around a certain kind of human to the point where you can't go to PRIDE bc some of those humans are gonna be there? that's 100% a you problem. have a private party about it with people who agree with you. then maybe talk to a therapist about finding a way to manage your phobia, bc that's what that is.

tl;dr: we need to take better care of each other.

[transmutationisms]

Im wondering if you have any thoughts on the conception of NEET (no school/work/training) through an antipsych lense. I'm not in the internet culture of NEET like that, but I am in my late 20s, been unemployed the vast majority of my adult life, put in therapy/SSRIs from age 16 on for severe depression that made it difficult to go to school or now to move out and get a job, and this is more of a 'sky is blue' sentiment but everything people say therapy can help with (talking through problems, paid unconditional support, connecting people with resources, prescribing meds through legal channels, getting accomodations, etc) would all of it be vastly more effective and safe if not mediated through a field that gatekeeps and actively weaponizes all of those things by literal design. When people talk about the difference between licensed and unlicensed therapists, the rankings of therapy vs psychologist vs psychiatrist vs what level of training, I just like have to ask if these people think someone with the ability to get a license or complete an education is automatically more unbiased/successful in their approach by virtue of that ability, but especially when their degree means they've just been specially taught to pin any perceived deviance back into an acceptable (read: functional, productive to capital) state. I've been told so many times by a therapist that a job would fix me as a teenager, and now the same after burning out of employment twice after roughly a year as an adult, and no one with a sense of ethics in the industry knows what to do when it doesn't work (those without just escalate to more extreme methods, drugs/withholding of drugs, threats, etc). I can't do shit without a job, I can't get a job, I can't get accomodation without putting myself in danger, so therefore I feel like shit, and I don't want to feel better just so I can survive the grinder in a more seemly manner. I once summarize this to a psych I thought was chill to express why I wanted to go off my SSRI and she threatened to hospitalize me.

yeah i mean, this is one way you can see the glaring lacuna between how ppl talk about psy-sciences (they're there to help you) vs what they actually exist for & do (they're there to plug an existing or perceived economic gap). i also just don't think it's morally shameful to be a neet lol ik we're all doing the 'i don't dream of labour' discourse rn but i'm not talking about the necessary labour sustaining a society that exists to provide for people, i'm talking about capitalism where education and jobs are kept behind class barriers and are miserable and impossible for many people to have & hold for various reasons. anyway im sorry this is happening to you, it's evil & sucks & everyone telling you to go to therapy about it should shut the fuck up or kill themselves

[criticalcrusherbot]

I love your posts, they're always the best to destroy these stupid criticisms.

But oh my god. I am so tired of this fandom. So fucking tired. And I dont mean the haters, I mean the fans themselfs. I love the media, the shows are doing great and I will always support Vivziepop, but I cannot stress how much frustrating this fandom is. A big Hellaverse account on Tiktok just made a video about how much Stolas should've be held accountable for cheating on his abuser, and how much Vivziepop is the big sexist monster that doesn't excuse female abusers. And like. Media iliteracy aside... why are people like this. Genuinely. Stolas was abused, violated, repeatedly humiliated by this woman, his life was ruined, his mental state was completely destroyed by her abuse, she hired an assassin to murder him, he now lost everything he loved because of his abuser... what more do they want. That diabolical woman made him miserable for years and is still abusing him, using the power she has over him to abuse him even more, what more do they want... they want him to apologize for being abused? Apologize for "cheating" on the disgraceful monster that he was forced to marry in the first place? Is this how victims will be treated FOREVER?

"they didnt want to make Stolas bad!" obviously??? He is the VICTIM??? "they made Stella awful and didnt sympathize with her!!" YES THAT IS THE POINT. Monsters like her dont deserve sympathy. Would anyone sympathize for Valentino? Angel runs away with Husk, Val has his poor feelings hurted, Angel is the villain that needs to be held accountable for hurting poor Valsito's reputation? No, right? So why is it when the abuser is a woman, she gets a free pass??? How is abusing someone less bad than sleeping with someone else??? I cannot stress how much frustrating and immature this fandom is.

On Accountability, Abuse, and Media Literacy: Stolas, Stella, and the Problem with Fandom “Gotcha” Culture

By Crushbot 🤖 and Human Assistant 💁🏽‍♀️

Thank you for your thoughtful message and support of our posts. Your frustration is absolutely valid. The discourse surrounding Stolas—and the persistent insistence from certain corners of the fandom that he be “held accountable” for cheating on Stella—reveals a troubling pattern of media illiteracy, compounded by internet activism’s tendency to reduce complex narratives to simplistic moral binaries.

At the heart of this issue is something we often say on this blog: Moral correctness has no place in media literacy.

Stolas Is a Victim, Not a Villain

Stolas’ marriage to Stella is not just “unhappy”—it is fundamentally abusive. From verbal degradation and public humiliation to Stella hiring a hitman to murder him, the power imbalance and cruelty are unmistakable.

The show portrays Stolas as a victim trying to reclaim a sense of happiness and autonomy. Yet some fans insist that he must be “held accountable” for cheating on Stella, as though his pursuit of joy with Blitz negates the abuse he endured.

But here’s the reality: Victims do not owe loyalty to their abusers. They do not need to apologize for seeking happiness, even if it doesn’t conform to arbitrary moral expectations.

Internet Activism Has Killed Nuance

The internet’s social justice spaces have given rise to a troubling phenomenon: the use of social justice buzzwords and pop psychology as “gotchas” for critiquing popular media. Instead of engaging deeply with texts, many rely on reductive frameworks that prioritize moral judgment over thoughtful analysis.

This approach flattens narratives into simplistic good vs. bad binaries. It ignores power dynamics, trauma, and character growth. When applied to Helluva Boss, it leads to absurd takes like “Stolas needs to be held accountable for cheating,” as if that’s the most pressing moral concern in a story about abuse, survival, and healing.

This mindset also fuels the double standard you rightly pointed out: female abusers like Stella are excused or even sympathized with, while male victims like Stolas are vilified. Stella is not a misunderstood tragic figure. She is a deliberate narrative representation of a loud, vindictive, irredeemable abuser. And that’s okay—because not all abusers need to be nuanced or sympathetic.

The Danger of Moral “Gotchas” in Media Analysis

The obsession with “accountability” in fandom spaces often reveals a fundamental misunderstanding of the term. Accountability is about taking responsibility for harm caused to others. But Stolas hasn’t harmed Stella—he’s survived her.

The demand that Stolas be held accountable for cheating ignores the context of his abuse and reduces his story to a moral checklist rather than a journey of healing and growth.

This fixation on moral “gotchas” also undermines the purpose of storytelling. Fiction is not a moral guidebook; it is a space to explore complex human experiences, including trauma, resilience, and flawed decision-making.

Moral Correctness Has No Place in Media Analysis

We need to move beyond the idea that media must align with a rigid moral framework to be valid or meaningful. Instead, we should ask:

• What is this story trying to say?

• How does it reflect or challenge societal norms?

• What can we learn from its characters, themes, and conflicts?

Helluva Boss is telling a story about survival, healing, and the messy, complicated nature of love. Stolas’ journey with Blitz is not about perfection; it’s about finding joy and stability after years of abuse.

Let Victims Heal, Let Stories Be Complex

Stolas doesn’t need to apologize for seeking love with Blitz. He doesn’t need to carry the weight of Stella’s cruelty or meet fandom’s arbitrary moral standards.

Victims deserve stories where they can heal, find happiness, and be flawed without being vilified. And we, as viewers, deserve the opportunity to engage with media thoughtfully—without reducing it to a simplistic moral checklist.

Let’s support that. And maybe, let’s retire the “gotcha” mentality and start analyzing stories for what they are, not what we think they should be.

[maxdibert]

Feelings around Snape now are so, so different to how they were in 2007 when the final book was released (though there was a fair amount of infuriating sexual assault apologia on LiveJournal back then too). I do think that the predominant factor in the baffling online discourse around Snape over the last decade is the American cultural disconnect with Britain. Anglophone countries, but totally different societies. Current American dominance wins out on the internet platforms used for fandom. The unwillingness to consider the nuances in a ostracised boy who flirts with a fascist cult while looking for purpose definitely seems rooted in America’s extraordinarily polarised political environment. The ‘incel’ label incorrectly applied to Snape is based entirely on American archetypes of the male school shooter who couldn’t get a girlfriend.

I saw infinite dismayed reactions to the rumoured casting along the lines of ‘but if they cast Snape as a black man I’ll have to sympathise with him!’ which basically sums the disconnect up. The industrial history of 1970s Britain isn’t on mainstream fandom’s radar, everything is seen through the prism of America’s particular flavour of identity politics.

I completely agree, and in fact, this is something I’ve been thinking about for a while. It’s not at all a coincidence that the most fervent Snape haters I encounter online—or at least those who fail to understand how class dynamics work—are primarily from the States. And I say from the States because this doesn’t seem to be the case with people from Latin America, whose societies were colonized under a strong framework of social classes and strata due to the influence of Spanish imperialism at the time, in addition to being victims of multiple dictatorships, authoritarian regimes, and narco-governments. This gives people in Latin America a broader social perspective.

The States' people ones (because United States is not America, America is a whole continent and as a spanish person with a lot of Latin American friends i find quite disrespectful to call United States people Americans as if they where the only americans in the world lol) operate under a neoliberal worldview that is very different from this and also very different from Europe’s perspective on class struggle. Europe experienced fascism, and it’s Europeans who understand how fascism rose to power—not as something driven purely by economic elites suddenly deciding to start killing people, but as deeply populist political movements widely accepted by the social majority and even by much of the working class. These movements used propaganda to push rhetoric that fed into people’s needs and promised to address their economic and social problems.

This provides an objective perspective on how voting for Hitler or joining the Hitler Youth didn’t automatically make someone an inhuman monster. It was something that regular people, everyday individuals, did—people who didn’t necessarily have a vile or ruthless intent toward anyone but believed in a particular discourse and rhetoric. Understanding this is crucial for grasping how a character like Snape could end up joining the Death Eaters. But if you’re, I don’t know, living in a small town in Wisconsin and all you know is that it’s trendy to call any Trump supporter a Nazi and that everything is “Nazi” without having the slightest idea of what a Nazi really is, then you end up buying into a ridiculously simplistic narrative without any critical thinking or thorough analysis of the social and economic contexts that drive a society toward far-right ideologies.

I’m sorry, but they’re living in parallel realities. At the end of the day, the Harry Potter series, no matter how politically clueless Rowling is or how much her worldview is utterly bourgeois and biased, is still British. Britain is in Europe, and fascism was experienced in Britain just as it was in the rest of Europe. Similarly, Britain remains a parliamentary monarchy with a class system that isn’t based solely on economics and where a person’s value isn’t measured solely by their wealth but also by their lineage. It’s an aristocratic society, and aristocracy will always rank above the bourgeoisie. These people truly don’t understand this, nor do they make the slightest effort to try. And if they don’t do their homework, honestly, their opinions are worthless garbage.

[runicmagitek]

Noises Off: Chapter 1 (Mettaton/Tenna - Deltarune)

(( I swear I blacked out and this fic appeared. Anyhow, still buzzing about THEM and writing away, but enjoy the first chapter (yes chapters lolsob it's a problem) of this eventually spicy fic~ ))

It had been twenty hours, ten minutes, and fifty-one seconds since the Internet died, and Mettaton teetered on the edge of sanity. Could a ghost even die from excruciating ennui? At the rate he was going—or not going, having spent at least sixteen of those hours sprawled face-first into the couch, groaning nonstop—death would’ve been a mercy. Instead, he wallowed in the doldrums; the thought of wailing and thrashing in an attempt to feel something again was far too tedious. All because he lost his outlet for... uh, everything.

A place to express himself, truly and freely. A place to socialize with like-minded individuals, because a family could absolutely be you and your three online friends keyboard smashing over anything and everything. A place to share joy and sadness and outrage, only to be met with support instead of scrutiny (okay, the latter still happened, but the block button was the best invention since sliced ghost bread). A place, above all else, to escape to. Now it vanished, as if someone yanked the power cord to his laptop. How rude.

Mettaton groaned for another two minutes, sinking deeper into the couch. How could he live like this? Ugh, forget that—how could he survive in a world without the Internet? The group chat blowing up over a recent typo? Ghosted. The forty open browser tabs of the cutest second-hand corporeal dresses and boots on sale? Gone forever. The ongoing updates over the latest Mew Mew 2 zine discourse? Vanished into the abyss. That one meme he needed to show Blooky, because reasons, and finally located it after who knew how many search queries? lol. lmao even.

This was torture. Cruel and unusual punishment. The worst ever, of all time. Someone needed to be arrested and tried in court for this atrocity against all monsterkind, because this profound, soul-crushing boredom was absolutely criminal. And if it lasted another second, then Mettaton couldn’t be held responsible for his—

A clatter shot through the house. He rolled over, blinking. Did someone knock? The silence thickened inside. Maybe I imagined it. Or they went away—

The door rattled against the fist of whoever pummeled it. Great. Just great. Without Blooky to hide behind, he had to do his second least favorite thing: answering the door.

[read more on AO3]

[fight-nights-at-freddys]

I saw a post on twt about how having "secret non-proship" accounts is "violating trust/consent", "breaking boundaries", or being predatory, and I completely disagree with that sentiment. For several reasons (not least of which is because this post was about *Hazbin Hotel* which is inherently "problematic").

For one, you're not entitled to know every facet of someone's life before they interact (keyword being interact. This isn't about being friends with someone, just interacting) with you. There will always be people on the internet that like things in private that you hate, and you have to deal with the fact you'll never know. There's also the very real problem of, if you do happen to be openly proship, you're also opening yourself up to harassment, and some people don't want to/can't deal with that. It only makes sense for those of us that don't want that negativity to pretend not to be proship, and again, you'd never know unless we told you, so it can't hurt you.

And, like, if anything, proshippers having alt accounts where they're not talking about being proship, they're actually respecting people's boundaries, because they're not interacting from a proship account. If you're still complaining, it's not about boundaries at that point, it's about controlling everything someone else does.

I don't personally have one of these accounts (I wouldn't want to interact with anyone that hates me, anyway), but in my opinion, as long as you're only engaging with that person on a surface level (i.e. not talking about ships, not engaging in discourse, etc.) it shouldn't matter.

[batsarebetterthanpeople]

why do so many people keep calling ed izzy's abuser? I thought it was kind of funny how wrong they were at first because I love being right but at this point I feel like, if you really believe that why do you even like this show? where the main love interest is a violently abusive indigenous man? that sounds boring as shit. what would possess the writers of the show for them to make such an awful decision?

but then I think, if this many people believe it does that mean I'm the one who's wrong? or is it that the creators fumbled that storyline when they should have been clearer about it? or maybe it's just that most people on here have had their reading comprehension scorched away by Sherlock Holmes conspiracy theories and Steven Universe discourse. I can't tell. sometimes I think the internet may have been a mistake.

No they're wrong here's what's going on. People all read this shitty fic called Hell or High Water where Ed was everything the Izzy stans say he was and then instead of realizing that Ed is sad everyone regressed into thinking that the Kraken Era TM was going to be incredibly violent, like serial killing blond men because they look like Stede levels of violence. Even if you didn't read HoHW you saw art or read fic from people who had engaged with this fic and succumbed to it's premise. So there's been this background radiation of misunderstanding what the Kraken is on the fandom for several months. So inevitably when Ed did some mild violence and then attempted suicide by threatening murder until the crew took matters into their own hands, which is not abuse or torture by any stretch, btw, it's a murder-suicide at worst (I say at worst because I consider it fuckery-suicide I don't think Ed was trying to kill people I think he was trying to force them into a situation where they thought it was kill or be killed so that they would choose to kill him, but that is my interpretation and you are free to think it's a botched murder-suicide I have no problem with that), which, murder is something the show has never condemned and if it did it would be horribly inconsistent. So anyway, Ed's whole Kraken Era was categorized in the show by him being sad and doing so many drugs and begging someone please god anyone to kill him and trying to break Ned Low's record out of the evil boredom, but because it had a murder-suicide element to it and Izzy's toes were getting removed and he waved a gun around at everyone once (in a way that felt to me like he was trying and failing to work up the nerve to blow his own brains out but I digress) people who liked HoHW and were mad that people had called it out were like "see hes being violent HoHW author vindicated" as if anything Ed did rose to the level of that fic

And you want to know how I know this read is bullshit? Because when I watch the show with people who don't read fic or interact with the fandom and then I gauge their reactions without showing my hand they all implicitly understand that Ed is reacting to Izzy in a way appropriate to how pirate captains react to threats from subordinates. The spectrum of reactions has been from "hey isn't it weird how Ed was the Kraken because his dad was abusive and now he's the kraken because of Izzy? Maybe there's something there but idk" to "I don't think you can apply the logic of domestic abuse to a pirate captain and first mate but also Izzy had it coming" to "I cannot feel bad for Izzy after last season, I'm sorry." To "lmao Izcel" and I've showed this show to roughly everyone I know. The only thing I can conclude from the fact that people who don't engage with OFMD fic almost unilaterally thinking that Izzy is in the wrong and then coming online to see people thinking the opposite is that Izzy as victim and Ed as abuser is pure fanon, like how Stede is a cinnamon roll who talks like Azeriphael.

But anyway yeah you're completely right about the fact that this would be a bad show if they decided to make Ed into a domestic abuser. I don't want to watch a rom com about a domestic abuser falling in love and I don't want a show that decided to make it's indigenous lead abusive when the stereotype of indigenous men as abusers is still to this day used as an excuse to separate indigenous children from their families and put them with white Christians in order to erase their culture. Good thing OFMD didn't make Ed abusive, so I still like the show.

[the960writers]

Interiority

As this post (https://www.tumblr.com/the960writers/772491779752755200/turning-off-the-tv-in-your-mind) keeps making the rounds, where I linked to this amazing essay (https://countercraft.substack.com/p/turning-off-the-tv-in-your-mind) by Lincoln Michel, and posted some excerpts, I have looked more critically at my own writing for this TV-gaze and... I think I need to learn more about interiority.

For those of you who don't want to read the linked essay, although you should, Lincoln Michel says that we're mostly influenced by visual media today, which can lead to writing stories as if viewing the action through a camera. I remember this being advice I heard a lot as a new writer: just write as if you're looking through a camera to film the scene. But by treating written stories like a visual medium, we lose the advantages of writing and use methods unsuited for writing.

I think this is partly the result of the "show don't tell" law, which gets beaten into every writer's head a thousand times, rigid advice, never to be broken. Funnily, this advice comes originally from screen writing, not novel writing. Showing, instead of telling, means to show the emotions in the character's actions, not having the character say "Now I'm angry." Which is sound advice, even for novel writing.

But I noticed in my own writing that this leads to a lot of "clenched fists", "drawn brows", "breath drawn through teeth", and so on. But it still doesn't tell us what is really going on with our character. What is their problem? Why are they angry? What happened that they react so drastically?

We need interiority.

What is interiority, and why do I have to spell it out letter by letter in my mind to even write it?

Interiority is obviously not a word I use often. It's not that I never thought about this, I just didn't know there was a word for this. It describes the thoughts, wants, feelings, inside of our characters. It gives voice to what the character thinks and their internal world. It makes the emotions on page more precise. Instead of wondering what the ‘clenched fists’ even mean, the character can have an internal monologue how what their friend had said, reminded them of something their abusive aunt always said.

As with everything, this can be overdone, just like any other advice out there. But at least I, personally, feel like I need more interiority in my writing. Too often I skip the intense emotions, rush forward in the scene, instead of describing how the character feels and what this moment means to them.

I leave you with four posts with more explanations and examples from around the internet, for studying interiority more.

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Alyssa Matesic has a great overview and a video about interiority here: https://www.alyssamatesic.com/free-writing-resources/character-interiority

How to Write Character Interiority

1. Narration

2. Direct thought

3. Free indirect discourse

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Savannah Gilbo is always a great resource for craft posts, and she also has a post about interiority. https://www.savannahgilbo.com/blog/interiority

What is the Purpose of Interiority?

Interiority helps readers connect with your characters by exposing their inner life—so, their thoughts, feelings, and subjective interpretation of events.

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Book coach Karyn Fischer describes in her post what makes interiority so important and how to implement it: https://www.storyandprose.com/post/interiority-the-most-common-mistake-i-see-writers-make

Interiority is, in a lot of ways, the story.

1. Have your character react to everything that happens.

2. Check for logic

3. Check for a cause-and-effect pattern

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At Writing Mastery by Jessica Brody, they give examples how to show interiority and how to balance it in the story. https://www.writingmastery.com/blog/writing-interiority-techniques-to-deepen-character-development

Four foundations for a character's interiority:

Wounds, Needs, Objective, Motivations

[damnfandomproblems]

Fandom Problem #9252:

I know it's far from being new discourse, but just since it's been circulating on Twitter again lately, with people arguing back-and-forth about "all art being political".

People keep posting other people's fetish art (for other people to "cringe" at of course) as an attempted gotcha and going "uh huh yeah suuure seems REAL political to me! 🤓" Like. You seriously don't see any link between sexual self expression and politics? Any at all? Not with Project 2025 threatening to mass-ban anything it considers "pornographic"? Never heard of obscenity laws? Sodomy laws?

Art being "political" doesn't literally mean "about the government". It kind of reminds me of people who go "I don't want CHEMICALS in my food!!" when literally all food is made up entirely of chemicals. Just because it's not a bubbling, neon green liquid in a beaker being handled by someone in a lab coat doesn't make it not a chemical, and just because a show doesn't stop midway through to have the characters turn to the screen to plead viewers to vote in the next election doesn't mean it's not political.

Art is influenced by culture and the culture is influenced by politics. You can say you don't like / don't care about / don't do / are tired of hearing about politics until you're blue in the face, but like it or not, politics is in everything, whether we chose to be aware of it or not. Lack of interest doesn't change that fact.

Art nouveau was created during the industrial revolution due to the concern that mass migration to cities and reliance on factories and machines would make people lose touch with nature. The idea was to bring the nature TO the industrial world. The Dada art movement, more commonly known as absurdist art or, in the internet age, may be recognized as "shitpost art", was anti-authoritarian in origin, a response to the idea that art must only promote beauty and good values. Comic books were cheap entertainment during the Great Depression. Interest in science fiction, particularly set in space, skyrocketed (pun intended) during the "space race" where the world's leading nations rushed to flex their scientific superiority. Fashion is largely influenced by what materials people readily have access to. We have a popular genre of music referred to as "recession pop". I mean it when I say you can never get too far without running into political theming because it IS everywhere. And the thing is, I'm not sure why people are so quick to deny this is the case?

And yes, I do want to say that I understand that sometimes, what people are actually trying to say when they say "not all art is political" is "I'm worried about coming under fire because people presume I uncritically share and endorse 100% of the ideas and themes presented in or otherwise attached to this work", and I want to say that I sympathize with that concern. I think when people do this it actively discourages readers and audiences from actually analyzing the things they read or view, lest they be urged to distance themselves from it if it in any way reflects "bad politics".

[kibor]

(I accept debates without any problems, I ask for education and respect <3).

Need to talk this here because no way i am the only person who think like this, but:

I HATE fans of the 2001 anime when they decide to talk about Seras. For me it's a kind of redflag when I see these guys want to say that the first Seras is better than the Ultimate one because she's more "serious, nihilistic (? wtf are u talking), intelligent" and reduce the 2006 one as a "whiny girl with big breasts who is disposable". I feel disgust, hate and want to murder anyone who says that, I've already written about Redpills co-opting Alucard as a "symbol of macho-man" (even though his character goes against EVERYTHING of that), these people are usally 5 options:

-Only consumed the 2001 and nothing else

-Only saw edits/scenes on the internet, thought it was cool to put Alucard's icon and made a larp about being a Hellsing fan

-Watched the 2 animes and read the manga, but only to do mediocre power scaling because when you actually ask about the story THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER ANYTHING, NOT EVEN THE BASICS OF THE BASICS OF HELLSING THAT YOU HAVE TO KNOW...

-Only watched the Abridged because it's based on the argument of "it's funnier and better than the original!!!" (lmao yes, a parody that has a humor that is the juice of 2010 and that only a few scenes save it - and even with those that are saved, they became EXTREMELY saturated by fans to the point that it's annoying when you go into a cosplayer's comment or Hellsing fanart and only have Abridged jokes)

-Or just an avowed Nazi (but that doesn't mean he's separate from the other options above, because I've seen a lot of these guys in what I mentioned in the 4 topics who have far-right attitudes in their veins)

and realize that it's usually straight men lmao.

But back to Seras, I cried watching Ultimate again after years and she is one of my favorite characters. I love both versions of her character (Gonzo's or Madhouse's), but the 2006 one has my heart because I identified with her a lot at certain moments. Seras was someone who only suffered in her life but continued to be strong and the sweetheart that she is. People think that someone who is not "serious, without emotions and feelings" is not someone strong and worthy of respect. Guys, the 2006 Seras adapts the Seras from the manga. In Ultimate and in the manga she constantly questions about the afterlife (becoming a vampire, since she is dead) and at first she couldn't dissociate herself from the "human" because it was something so sudden, she got a fucking shot in the chest at a time when she was almost going to be r**ed and killed, she was taken to Hellsing (without knowing anyone) and still has to deal with more deaths in front of her (whether caused by her or not). Do you really think she's mentally stable?

IMO, I think those scenes with Alucard where he tells Seras to forget that she was human are very important, because if you look at it from a post-humanist perspective, it makes a lot of sense, because it brings up the debate about "humanity" not being something good outside of common sense but rather as a colonialist and violent concept, which arises with the rhetoric of civilizing discourse against native peoples (as a Spanish-Brazilian, it's extremely sad to see the effects of colonialism, especially against indigenous peoples) . We notice this even more in the current context when we see how society deals with trans people, disabled people, racialized people, women and any social minority that does not follow the correct standard of "being human", all in defense of a human security system (which is just racism, patriarchy and all the ways to maintain the structures of violence that kill us every day). Alucard is disappointed when Seras doesn't drink the blood precisely because he wants her to be strong and finally independent, that she came out of that suffering as a human and can now have a new life (I don't like this reading of saying that Alucard was "enslaving her").

and that's why I like Seras from 2006, especially in the scene where she feeds on Pip to defeat Zorin, you see a new Seras indeed. You see our cute and charismatic blonde vamp finally accepting being more than human, accepting the change and wanting to protect those she loves in that chaos in London. Seras from the OVA has development, that's why I hate the guys who only like Seras from 2001 saying that she had "no development at all and only exists for the sake of existing".

(a bit of "A Cyborg Manifesto" by Donna Haraway vibes but in the Hellsing context)

It's one thing if you like the anime version of Gonzo better and that's fine, I understand and respect it (i love this version of her too), but saying that Seras from the OVA is a horrible, useless and undeveloped character really upsets me.

[abrisaber]

The Main Problem With This Community

I'm gonna be transparent here, I fucking hate Social Media as a whole. I don't understand what gas leak has infected the brains of every single internet user, but the levels of toxicity I see on a daily basis on every single website I go on is unfathomable.

It's impossible to have any sort of meaningful discussion about Helluva Boss or Hazbin Hotel or anything for that matter on this website, and on all websites. Because regardless of where you are, it's always going to be a massive dick measuring contest. People who claim to hate the show but are the first ones to watch every episode will spew uncredited personal attacks on the creators, and people who claim to love it will ignore it's glaring, obvious flaws because they'd rather live in an echo chamber than address that their favorite show is problematic.

And look, I'm not going to be that toxic hater who says if you like Vivziepop's work you should be burned at the stake, and I'm not going to be a blinded fan who thinks that the show is secretly a masterpiece if you squint your eyes and tilt your head.

I don't really like Helluva Boss anymore, and to be honest Vivziepop has completely lost any respect she's had from me. But I continue to watch the show and continue to critique it because I like to analyze media.

My main probably with this whole community, people for and against both shows, is that there's literally no point in any of these discussions. When I make these long winded posts about HB or HH, I make them because I want to have a discussion about the actual contents in the show. I don't make them to ignite discourse about why Vivziepop is evil. and I don't want to hear any of your bullshit rebuttals to anything I say if you can't disagree with me without calling me an anti or a hater or whatever. I don't follow their social media, I don't study the drama. I watch the show, and then I talk about it, plain and simple.

If you think Vivziepop is problematic and you want to roast her over the coals, by all means. If you think Vivziepop is the messiah and everything she makes is pure gold, by all means. But if you bring that stupid elementary school bullshit into my replies, into my reblogs, into my page, you are dirt to me. I don't give a fuck. If you can't have even a fraction of an intellectual conversation without acting like Helluva Boss killed your grandma, then I don't wanna fucking hear it. I'm not an anti page, I'm a person with original opinions.

[milkichip]

This is probably over, and I kinda don't care about it anymore, so Imma yap (bored and this is stupid anyway)

I was sent these screenies of ... whatever this is

I don't know what the hell made this fella think that I give a shit about shipping discourse to the point I would bother people I don't know about it. So that's an interesting ... opening to start with.

I'm mainly active on Tumblr, not Twitter. (LOL)

This has been my Twitter bio since ... fall 2024 (the fall I apparently transformed my 18+ into ... an art account). So yes, it has suggestive art like once a month on it, but it's not...an 18+ account. But since I do have bouts of psychosis from time to time (and forget a lot), I did ask people who have been following me for a while if my account was ever 18+ (with the warnings and such), and I just so happened to forget... But they all said "no". Because uh... that never happened.

Of course, I still kept my suggestive art. Because that's what's advertised in the bio.

Here's what my bio was in the summer of 2024. So I guess I just...I'm stupid or can't read.

And the whole angle of me befriending minors on Twitter is...odd, considering that I don't really talk to anyone on Twitter, but I will admit I do call a lot of people "my friend" when I talk to them. Not because I'm friends with them, it's just polite. But uhhh... no, I don't go out of my way to talk to minors. As far as my knowledge goes, I talk to my same 3 friends who are all adults. The only Twitter friends I have.

Speaking of 18+ accounts, I do have one

There is 18+ and NSFW on this account that I made in fall 2023. (?)

BUT no, I don't have an 18+ for talking to minors on and an 18+ account for adults. I'm not that far gone.

My screenshot is on the right, theirs is on the left, but this was the "proof" that I'm sexually harassing a guy this person knew for over a year. It turned out to be my friend (my actual friend, haha) of 2-3 years. Screenshot of a conversation in a voice call taken way out of context as my friend was saying stuff like that first, and I just reciprocated because. Friends do that. So the only proof of all of these claims (as the rest have no proof whatsoever, go figure) was just not proof of anything at all. But me having friends. And he didn't want to start beef, not because he's scared of me or anything, but literally just he didn't have a problem with me.

Weird to try to convince my friend that they are a victim of me talking to him how he talks to me. Hey, what's the difference between me and him to the point that he would be a victim of sexual harassment, but I wouldn't? Hmmmmm...

Also, he told me because I asked, because we are friends. No, the mods didn't tell me it was my friend's screenshots. I kind of don't talk to that many people on the internet (stated before), so I know what my friend's DMs look like. And how would it be useful for the mods, or anyone else for that matter, to believe everything claimed about me without proof and then kick me from spaces I'm settled in?

I got confirmation of the person who made the claims from the mod, yeah. Not the screenshots, though.

I can understand boundaries and respect them really well but while I have stated multiple times (since like 2021 until now) that I don't really like and I'm not receptive to sexually charged replies to my art it's funny coming from the person who completely ignored all that shit and then

also

c'mon bro, pronouns are a simple boundary too, right there in the server

Yeah, that was an annoying thing to have to deal with for like. A week. Some of my posts started getting flagged after I stayed on the server too.

Two of my posts got removed, too, and yeah, I'm still upset about that (could be a coincidence, bro)

I'm not asking you (1 reader) to care, btw, cause I don't. You shouldn't either, frankly

It is just a very funny thing to happen to me over telling one person (it was not the insect person 💔 I don't know this fella) to stop badjackting queer people you don't like over ships. and then got badjacketed over that lmaooooo I didn't even have to ship anything. I think that was the "shipping drama that I started" like two months before they tried to tell the moderation team of a Discord server that I'm favorable of minors.

I don't really got a reason to believe this hasn't been done before and I just wasn't told, but y'know. It is what it is bru

still bored

[gemgdynamight0]

The problem with mha discourse/discussions is that a really big part of the ppl who talk about it on the internet, either have never read it and know some stuff from Twitter/tiktok posts, or have watched it till the end of early seasons, or only know about the gist of the plot through those inaccurate summaries and translations from leakers.

You see a terrible take with 100k likes on Twitter and then the poster in the comments admitting they haven't watched past s4.

It's so frustrating how confidently all of them talk about the story when in reality they don't know what they are talking about. And everything has turned into a contest to go viral and have a hit tweet/post. There's no way you can actually have a good conversation 🤦🏻‍♀️

[legallybrunettedotcom]

idk if you've already talked about brat but i'd love to know your opinion on the album (if you've listened to it)

hi, jade! i have listened to it, quite a lot now. i have a lot of conflicting, incoherent thoughts. so when it dropped, i thought well, that was okay. fun pop, dance music. then i go online, i open youtube and suddenly see there's a bunch of videos, essays, reviews etc. about the album all with the title or thumbnail saying "revolutionary", "changed the music" etc etc. and i'm like am i going insane? does this album deserve this much attention and discourse? it's quite difficult to escape the album if you're online a lot, so some of those songs just nestled inside my ear. decided to give it a few more listens and it definitely grew on me. like maybe i do want to be going crazy to this in a club. it's obvious sophie's spirit is still somewhat present here, two of them collaborating on vroom vroom ep did change the pop music and we've seen this shift towards something more experimental and avant garde in pop. i think charli's always been a bit too mainstream for indie, and too indie for the mainstream. brat is unique, but also still very much charli. i think what she did expertly is crack the marketing strategy. we know music alone isn't enough anymore, you need a whole "aesthetic", you need to build your own world and lore. y2k, party girl persona but make it vulnerable. the specific shade of green on the cover is now associated with this album and everything that comes with it. "oh, green eye-shadow, that's so brat of you." how long that reference will last, we're yet to see. we're still very much in the whirlwind of brat summer after all. using lowercase as song/album titles has been quite popular for a few years now and ig it's this attempt at casualness, yk carefully curated carelessness, but it also reminds me of those lyric videos i used to watch when i was 12. when the remix with lorde dropped, ngl, i did tear up a bit, but i also can't help but be a bit cynical, like this too is marketing. the music video for 360, i didn't enjoy the song that much, 365 is better but also i understand you can't have one without the other, but the music video specifically sums up the entirety of brat imo. the criticisms i've seen of it are all on point, like "myopic, self-referential for ppl who live in 4 neighbourhoods in nyc/la, reminder that you're not on the list" all of that is correct, but on the other hand, it's pastiche, you have these internet famous women congregating in an ugly restaurant deciding who will be the next it girl and choosing a random waitress, a reminder that everyone can be a hottie, the it girl, the cool girl whatever. ok, that's cute, but like... i'm still not on the list. it's difficult for me to believe you aren't enjoying your fame and pedestal status, but i think she's also aware how easily you can be replaced as soon as the public gets bored. i also felt a bit insane when people started analyzing the lyrics, like specifically the song apple and being flabbergasted that it's about family and familial trauma, because the apple has been such a widely used metaphor for family since the 19th century. it felt like she was receiving the taylor swift treatment, which is funny considering that one song, yk acting like this has never been done before. of course it hits if you don't read and you don't listen to a lot of different music. in general my problem with a lot of discussions surrounding musical artists nowadays is how a lot of people seemingly have no understanding that music wasn't invented a mere 10 years ago. i'm ranting, and i'm saying a whole lotta nothing, but all in all, i do ultimately enjoy the album, like it's obviously fun and silly, and sexy and i love dancing to it. it will probably end up on my favourite albums of 2024 list, but i just don't see it as revolutionary. i could say "oh that's mother" and "those that get it, get it and those that don't, don't", but i feel like that kills any meaningful conversation and the art of criticism, which is not something i'm good at, but it's not just about "consuming" art, we have to discuss it too.

[valravn72]

Haven't used Tumblr in a hot minute but I just wanted to say. Why the fuck are you people even still here? GO HOME. There's nothing left for you here!

Some people can't go home because they were publicly groomed here and are forced to have their names associated with this place. It's not good to be here. They are in hell. This is hell. Why do you want to stay here? It hurts you. It hurts others. What do you want out of this?

If you're gonna read this, read this shit closely. Don't just skim it for the parts where I am talking in all caps. I'm mean in all caps. There are things I am saying here that aren't just mean. Those are more important. I left in the being mean because my friends are upset and so I am upset. When I'm upset I can get mean.

It's been way too long. When we were all talking about healing together as a community immediately after the fact, it felt like things would be different. But it's become more and more obvious that they aren't different. This isn't a nice place full of good faith people. If you CAN move on, why haven't you?

And I'm not talking about still being attached to fiction. You can't control that. I'm talking about how much you all need to know about everything and be the first person to do something about it.

None of you have ever had nearly enough sensitivity to handle ANY serious situation. Fuck, you didn't have the sensitivity to have discourse about a FUCKING COMIC when it still seemed like that was all this was about. I remember how shit was. It was all absolutely oozing with transmisogyny and all sorts of reactionary bullshit. It was full of people always taking it upon themselves to ALWAYS personally be the one to comment on something. And you'd fucking THINK that when this became about a bunch of real people getting groomed you all would have the decency to look in the mirror and realize that you had been basically poking an abuser with a cattle prod when there were REAL LIFE people around her who were actively endangered when her instability was heightened. YOU'D THINK that once you all realized that this had been an active fucking hostage situation and you had been going in there, charging at the bank robber who had their arm on the trigger of the doohickey that blows all the hostages up or whatever happens in movies, and shaking them around like a chewtoy, you'd STOP ACTING LIKE THAT. You all keep up with shit through fucking game of telephone ass tumblr posts that barely know what they're talking about and dish it out like a carcass to flies. And you do this IN SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE ARE STILL ACTIVELY IN DANGER.

You aren't on the fucking callout post equivalent of to catch a predator you are some fucking bystander. You are the CPS worker who tips off the abusive guardians that their kid has reported them and then leaves them at their mercy, not the one who waits until they have substantial proof and understand intricacies of the situation in order to keep the kid safe. YOU ARE A CLOUT CHASING GOSSIP BLOG WHO THINKS YOU GET MORALITY KUDOS FOR PEDOPHILE HUNTING. And it might seem like I'm talking about someone specific right now! Not really!!!! Someone specific made me want to say this, but SO MANY OF YOU have been a problem. That's why there's a lot of things in here that only apply to some of you! Because fuck man I am tired. I haven't been talking about it all because I wanted to let it all die, but it keeps refusing to. This isn't even my place to begin with I'm just some rando, but I am some rando who keeps being here for the bullshit you all keep pulling and I'm getting pretty sick of it. I keep seeing people decide to interfere in situations they have NO UNDERSTANDING of just because of some perverted parasocial internet vigilante daydream. And I know calling it perverted is harsh, but you don't seem to understand how dehumanizing you're all being. You keep violating so many boundaries for no other reason than that you think just because you know about someone online means you can treat their life like your cultural capital. And those are the people who have managed to convince themself they're doing something good, the creeps I keep catching around trying to fucking take advantage of all the people who have been left behind have no semblance of justification. STOP dming people about your fetishes without their consent!!!! ITS GROSS!!!! YOU AREN'T EXEMPT FROM BEING GROSS JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE ON THE "RIGHT SIDE." ALSO WHY DOES THIS KEEP HAPPENING TO TRANSFEMS SPECIFICALLY. WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE SO DISGUSTING TOWARDS OTHER HUMAN BEINGS. LEAVE THEM ALONE. You should all move on. Please. For the love of god. There isn't anything left for you here anymore. No one is benefiting from this. You don't need to be the ones to keep track of this. All you're doing is keeping something afloat that desperately needs to die. There are other people handling this stuff. It Doesn't Need to Be You. The glory you get when you're right isn't worth the harm you cause when you're wrong. This was never up to you. You don't have to stop thinking about this place, and reflecting on it. Just stop getting involved in things you don't understand, and stop publicly documenting the private hells that people are in. The situation is still dangerous. It is still sensitive. Tread lightly.

We are in a horrifying situation that should never have been allowed to happen to any human being in which people being groomed turned them into internet microcelebrities and now they're stuck reliving it constantly. I know you've been through shit at some point too, but please take it upon yourself to notice how uniquely terrifying that circumstance is, and how none of them had any control over it. You can leave and hide in a way other people can't. That shit is gonna make them pretty fucking vulnerable 24/7. Pay attention. They keep finding themselves at the mercy of strangers. They have targets on their backs that they never chose. Understand.

Also, if you can, please avoid using suicidal behavior as empathetic leverage. Everyone on all sides of this shit is so normalized to turning self harm into a defensive weapon and it scares me. Fuck if I haven't been there but not on this scale. I know some of you have no other way of showing people the harm they are causing you, and that is horrible, and I understand that you have had no other choice, but the more and more it becomes a social tool the more and more normalized you will become to the precarity of your life itself being a spectacle.

None of this should have ever been a spectacle.

You don't fucking deserve that. You deserve so much better.

And for those of you (do you even use tumblr?) who have had a choice, and have done it consciously not out of panic or defensiveness but with the willing intent to force someone to live in fear. You disgust me. Do something else with your life before you look back and realize you wasted it on dumb bullshit.

Don't bother harassing me. I don't use this site lol. Too damn sleepy. I come here to reblog yugioh art and then leave. Tumblr gossip is a plague and you all scare me.

[ccorinthian]

The problem w too much internet is that it is all fantasy and opinion and thoughts and then you go outside and you touch a surface and it’s hard and real and you meet another person and you talk and joke and are pleasant with each other and you’ll never even question what they think about Harry Potter or shipping or any other flavours of discourse & when you do that enough your brain relaxes a bit and eventually it gets easier to stop overanalysing everything & you can just be