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Miss Natalia ‘Nocturna’ Knight
#I need DC to bring her back#the real her#the pre crisis her#we don’t talk about post crisis her#anyway I love her#she’s beauty she’s grace#I want her to come back to Gotham in old Hollywood glam and adoption papers#give Jason his goth mom back#natalia knight#nocturna#dc nocturna#dc comics#batman comics#ambrose art
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"Jason was the happy robin" this, "jason was the angry robin" that. Let's all be fully honest here Jason was the lonely robin
#It gets worse the more i think about it aiguaoughhh#they pretty much retconned the people he was close to before the crisis. he only interacts with dick like once or twice#ive never seen him with barbara#he had no team#in terms of school he had rena(?) and then 3 friends that show up in an annual and never again#and obviously with the whole secret identity it hardly can be a close friendship. esp with how little theyre shown#in terms of super friends he had Danny and Kid Devil. which. one is mentioned off hand and theyre never seen together#and the other is from a short story and never brought up again#alfred has his praises sung but we never really see him connect with jay#all he had was BRUCE. and the only way to ever be with bruce is to be robin#is it really any wonder he chased after his mother? is it any wonder who chose to trust someone he hardly knew?#dc liveblog#jason todd#i feel so bad for him all the time for forever#ive just started reading comics after his death but before his resurrection. the hallucination jason era#and its seems to be shaping up to be with him written as the angry robin who never listened#which i Know is because of the writers. but in universe? it just feels like jason wasnt understood or known at all#doylist vs watsonian moment as they say#dc comics#batman comics#and he became a symbol of failure to batman So Quickly. not a memory but a reminder#and every trophy from his time as robin was taken out of the batcave. and every moment as jason was removed from (at least) bruces room#he was on call/on a list as a backup titan if they needed help but he wasnt With them. they teamed up twice#i cant remember if he meant it towards blood specifically or in general rn but he fully admitted to not being good/experienced enough#they didn't really know him and he didn't really know them#wait fuck was rena all pre-crisis. devastating. he stopped going on patrols n being robin for awhile when she was his gf#of course by then he was already A Hero who cant fully ignore how he can help so he eventually was like yeah we should stop a little#obviously there was that catwoman arc going on and i feel writers just liked keeping him away alot. but ough. he was so quick to stop when#there was someone There. and robin didn't have ti feel like all he had#anyway crisis got rid of her im sure. like harvey. when does 'pre and post crisis' actually start bc its not at the crisis its issues after
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there is not enough femslash in batcest circles. the girls deserve to be just as weird about each other as the boys are. if BruDick gets to be weird father/son/brothers/lovers/friends/rivals/soulmates then it is only fair that Babs/Cass get to be mother/daughter/sisters/lovers too. Something about that deep intrinsic but undefinable love that is born out of trauma, especially if you consider Cass not knowing what healthy love looks like in the first place. i think it's fun and deserves just as much fandom content.
besides that, you can get even more niche with rarepairs like Helena/Steph. Huntress/Spoiler: Blunt Trauma is already a fantastic comic and even though it's their only real canon interaction it has so much potential. very comparable to TimJay in how Helena tries to get Steph to understand her morals and the corruption you could play with it.
batman: huntress/spoiler: blunt trauma (1998)
that comic also highlights on how both Steph and Helena are outcasts of the Batfamily and don't have the approval of Bruce to be doing what they do in "his city". I think there's so much Potential in Helena taking Steph under her wing because Bruce won't let her in and it becomes a weird codependent toxic sapphic mess. I think the protectiveness Helena feels over Steph from the get-go is so clear and the way she wants to look out for Steph, wants to make sure Steph understands the real world? I love them. Helena should be allowed to steal Steph, actually. I think it'd be fun.
there are a lot of other possibilities too like Babs/Steph or even getting weird with Helena Bertinelli/Helena Wayne and the existential question of "is it selfcest or not." But these two specifically live in my head rent-free, especially Helena/Steph and one day I'll convince everyone else to ship it too.
#batcest#necrotic festerings#how do i tag ships that are almost non-existent#helena bertinelli x stephanie brown#cassandra cain x barbara gordon#as resident huntress fan my answer to the is helena w/helena b selfcest depends entirely on which version of helena wayne you're using.#pre-crisis!helena wayne/pre-flashpoint!helena bertinelli? yes i agrue is selfcest adjacent at least#because helena bertinelli was meant to be an adaptation of helena wayne#if it's jsa (2022)!helena wayne then it's *not* selfcest because they co-exist in the same universe#and according to current lore helena wayne was named after bertinelli and took the name huntress in her honor#which is a *choice* for sure but that's a different post#i still think shipping them is super fun in a “don't meet your heroes” sort of way with helena wayne time travelling#and then potentially running into bertinelli and realizing she's not what wayne thought she was and it being weird toxic shit#as for new-52 helena wayne. i do not acknowledge her and will not comment.#*god* I hate new-52 huntress.#(imo it would be selfcest tho bc they tried to make helena wayne a bertinelli clone. so. there's that.)#i'm going to write a helena/steph fic some day and none of you bitches can stop me#yeah yeah we have stephcass but y'all have sanitized the fuck out of that to convince yourselves it's not batcest and that made it boring.#and helena/babs is neat and all but i prefer helena/zinda when it comes to BoP ships#i should've included panels for cass/babs but it's been a while since i read batgirl (2000) so none immediately came to mind#i have a *lot* more helena/steph thoughts but no braincell to word them. know i will talk about them again.#they got one whole comic and now i won't let them go#also cass/helena is fun for combating morals and the complicated batgirl mantle#cass wears the batgirl suit *helena* made y'all think i can't make that romantic bc i can and will#if we have robin pile then give me batgirl pile#babs/helena/steph/cass hell throw in bette too.
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due to the worsening economy we’ve had to make cutbacks, so Alys Rivers will be playing the roles of the Weird Sisters and of Lady Macbeth to any easily influenced Targaryen men who decide to invade her castle
#daemon and aemond deserve what they get#not because of their many flaws and objectively fucked up actions#but because why are you fucking around with a witch?#in her own house?#small children know not to bother the witchy lady in her creepy home#and yet here we are#aemond is not equipped to handle this psycologically#someone needs to make a pre-emptive call to the mental health crisis line#daemon targaryen#aemond targaryen#alys rivers#alysmond#house of the dragon#hotd#fire and blood
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adventure comics v1 #421, 424 || superman v1 #308-309 || the superman family #186, 222 || the brave and the bold v1 #160 || supergirl v2 #12
some people wrongfully assume that kara didn't get her attitude until her new 52 series but true supergirl understanders know she's always been two seconds away from beating someone's ass should they annoy or displease her in any way.
#kara zor el#supergirl#MISS HERRRRRR </3#her slapping the glasses off clark's face is so funny to me..... be nice to your cousin </3#this isn't a response to anything recent but there really are people who think kara's pre crisis comics start and end with the silver age#and just don't take her (non-loeb/kelly) post crisis appearances into account#anyway.#she should tell someone to drop dead again. or tell a cop to shove his badge up his ass. it'll be fun!
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Kinda funny to me how Kara hasn't really been herself since her reintroduction in post-crisis while Linda Danvers/Matrix who's supposed to be a completely different character is basically just pre-crisis Kara with a different backstory and some new powers
Like there's obviously the name Linda Danvers, but then we also have
Her brunette hair that's even styled the same way
Fred Danvers as her father
Dick Malverne as her love interest
Her passion for art
Also just her personality in general
#by funny i mean mildly infuriating cause why couldn't they have just kept a little bit of her pre-crisis lore#is it really necessary to change everything about her everytime she's passed on to a different writer#supergirl#linda danvers#kara zor el#matrix dc#dc comics
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I think about these panels so often. pre-crisis kara who grew up on split-off argo is sooooo argh there's so much that can be done with it
(Panels from Supergirl Vol 2 (1982) #19)
like where she grew up there was no nature, the ground was completely covered in lead, they got their food from a machine, their atmosphere was artificial. argo was small with limited space and everything that was natural was dangerous. earth must have felt so big and strange in comparison.
on argo death was right under their feet, on earth life grew up from the ground
#supergirl#kara zor el#pre crisis kara save me pre crisis kara#she only knew about nature from the stories her parents would tell her about krypton guys........ im going crazy
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Wish the party loyalist "stop making Harris look bad bc Trump" people would realize that a) denying reality is exactly what the right does and b) it is on the candidate to win votes by not being a genocide enabling sellout moderate getting endorsed by the fucking Cheneys for her hawkishness on foreign policy while promising little for people at home, not on the voter disillusioned by said issues that the candidate could rectify
#i say i'm done but seeing another one of those posts will make me roll my eyes hard again#this has been going on since 2016 and it's wild how much narrower the overton window has gotten to push these neoliberals#trump is shit but his being shit does not absolve blue team of the shit and blood on their hands#people really need to demand more for their votes#when they lose GA and NC bc of reneging on those $2K checks or saying no to giving Helene victims more aid#[and likely FL too if they follow suit with Milton swinginess aside]#the same people will likely rage at the people left to their rubble for not voting harder#like i'm sure they have at the muslims so rightly outraged at our support for the 🇵🇸 genocide that they refuse to vote for either party#meanwhile i get an email from work saying we have more payroll deductions this next year for our healthcare plans and there's been no talk#of M4A or even some mealy-mouthed means-tested version of it to win votes#and ofc there's student loans starting back up and their burning even more youth votes they were already losing with Gaza#let alone record homelessness... a housing crisis... lead/chemical poisonings... and so on#'we can push her left' they say knowing she takes money from people opposed to her going left on any policies--#and that they're going to brunch anyway#'fascism 2 is coming' *points at Dem-admin/Dem-mayor cop cities* *points at IG accounts being censored bc of being pro-Palestine* been here#anyway pre bed vent over 😴
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i click print. the printer stirs from its sleep and starts to ch-ch-ch the paper out. on the paper is written "POETRY LOSER" in large, pixelated letters, and i peel off the backing and stick the label onto jason todd. you look closer and see, in smaller letters, shelley fan
he looks the appropriate amount of ashamed (which is: not at all). he will never take it off
also you're embodying the brunette right now. you were born to be jason's classmate judging him (and your friend's bad taste)
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April 1983. What makes "The Autobiography of Bruce Wayne" (in THE BRAVE AND THE BOLD #197) so devastating is that writer Alan Brennert forces both Bruce and Selina to come clean: why they each do what they do, and why neither of them really sees a way out. The reason the ending hits is not just that Bruce and Selina get together at last; it's that Bruce has to accept that there will be no endgame for him until he lets go of the things he's been clinging to for 30 years.
The reference here to an amnesia charade is actually not Brennert's invention (although Selina's account of her abusive early marriage is). In BATMAN #62, back in 1950, Selina had suffered a blow to the head and claimed that her identity as Catwoman was the result of having been injured in a plane crash years earlier that left her with amnesia. Batman bought this, somehow, and Selina actually retired for a couple of years, but the amnesia story seemed fishy even at the time, and she subsequently returned to her life of crime. (She escaped at the end of her last Golden Age appearance in DETECTIVE COMICS #211, although in this story, she's apparently been captured and sent back to prison subsequent to that.) Brennert starts from the premise stuff about amnesia was indeed a lie (which is not a great stretch if you read her early '50s appearances), and asks why she would make up such an outlandish story.
#comics#the brave and the bold#brave and the bold#alan brennert#joe staton#george freeman#golden age batman#batman#bruce wayne#catwoman#selina kyle#batcat#batromance#pre crisis#his saying that she found a way out is a bit rich#given that he literally had to get her out of prison earlier#to help him deal with the scarecrow
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Who would’ve guessed Robin was such a love bird
[closeup+textless under cut]
#been talking about Rena on twt again#and she DEFINITELY would’ve figured out Jason as Robin#also Jason was THIIIIIIS close to just showing her anyway#she would’ve known#jason todd#Rena Renarde#thats the last name I’ve given her#cus they always call her fox#dc doesn’t give another under appreciate character a last name so you know what that means#she’s mine now#dc comics#dc robin#batman comics#pre crisis dc comics#ambrose art
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yeah that was what i was referring to, too. this framing of catwoman being her evil , almost demonic, side that stands in the way of her being a good person is gonna come up fairly often and its usually framed in this weirdly catholic way where she is the 'fallen woman' that needs to find her way back to the light
ohh.. yeah. well. i'm definitely not a fan of that 😭 actually can i just say "the masked costume is their dark side... their nefarious alternate personality" seems to be so many batman writers go-to when writing a supposedly sympathetic version of any character. can we do something else
#og post#ask#anon#dcposting#is this like exclusive to this run because this does not seem to be the vibe for any versions of her pre crisis or post y2k
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What do think about dick/talia
so Talia is one of those tricky characters for me where i read all the wrong content for her to begin with.so for the longest time i had a piss poor understanding of her and i'm still trying to. rectify that, Grant Morrison when i catch your ass-
but i do have a newfound love for her and i think she and Dick have an interesting relationship. bc they can't stand each other. so i do see the potential for shipping them! i wouldn't say it's a ship i seek out to would ever personally write, but if a fic/art/concept using the ship was top-notch, i would absolutely be into it.
bc there's a lot of fun stuff to play with for them. these two do not get along in canon and it always seems to be such a personal hatred, it's so funny. they dislike working together the rare times they do and tend to be at odds for the typical reasons you'd expect like morality and all. but they always seem to respect each other, which is the fun of it. i love an enemies to lovers situation that's rooted in respect. i think my favorite version of this ship would be the Pre-Crisis version, bc they just always seemed to have issues, usually fighting over Bruce. it's so antagonistic and i love that.
and of course, the fun of it is where Damian falls. because Talia and Dick are both parental to Damian, but clearly have wildly different opinions on what raising Damian should look like. so it'd cause interesting conflict if they were dating how they would be forced to find a middle ground and Damian's just. stuck in the middle. honestly Damian's reaction to their relationship could be fun in general, bc i do think it'd send him through all the stages of grief at once.
all in all, i think there's a ton of nuance that would make a really fun ship, whether you played it straight or took it in a dead dove direction. forcing these two together and seeing them slowly fall for each other is absolutely in character for both of them. tbh if Talia wasn't created to be Bruce's love interest, she and Dick probably would've kissed by now. they do always have an interesting tension when they're on page together. i could see Talia getting obsessed with Dick in a way- his purity, the way he's a virtuous light to the entirety of the hero community. how she would try to get him to see her side could be a lot of fun in a corruption kink sort of way. lots of potential for these two.
#necrotic answerings#dicktalia#talia al ghul x dick grayson#i'm so serious fuck you morrison for making me believe lies about this woman for YEARS#god i'm still unlearning all of that#i do love her tho and i'm becoming more and more of a brutalia girlie#also the more i talked about this ship the more i liked it#i do think it's funny these two are always just >:( when they co-exist. it's delightful#ESP in the silver age/pre-crisis oh my god.#and i love a ship who can't stand each other babeyyy#also brudicktalia??? seems elite won't lie.#like that i would eat the fuck up#wonder if there are fics of it.#but ty for asking!!#these asks make me consider ships i've never thought about#it's DELIGHTFUL#bc either i know and love the rarepair. ergo I can ramble#or a gain a new rarepair by thinking about and considering how it would work#win-win.#anyway off i go to hopefully write some prompts
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Lesbian boyfriend son shaped man
#Jason todd#and his many mothers#natalia knight#catherine todd#Trina Todd#talia al ghul#god I miss pre-crisis Jason#Bruce would look at one (1) woman#and baby Jason would immediately glare at her and be like#You’re not my mom!!! (please love me anyway)#and they did#cuz he’s so little
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KARA ZOR EL'S FASHION IN ADVENTURE COMICS VOL 1 ART BY BOB OKSNER, ART SAAF, and TONY DEZUNIGA
#kara zor el#supergirl#a sequel to my ''kara's fashion in sg vol 2'' post#bring back my fashionable babygirl !!#let kara wear something thats not her suit !! i'm begging !!#these three artists + win mortimer and carmine infantino are my fav pre crisis kara artists <3#she always slayed when they drew her
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#Babs#barbara gordon#will booker#he goes on to argue in favor of her new 52 reemergence as batgirl (which had just happened at the time of publication) as an empowering#return to pre-crisis 2nd wave form#which I disagree with pretty strongly because it made her even younger than post crisis + less unique (in general as one of few disabled#super heroes and by creating more overlap with her legacy batgirls) + it made her more vulnerable to being reduced to a male fantasy the#when written by men (not an immediate problem for her initial solo written by Gail Simone but something that’s become a very prominent issue#since and was already apparent in the animated series from the 90s)#the n52 reboot (much like COIE relative to Reagan-era* backlash against 2nd wave feminism!!!) also coincided pretty closely with gamer gate#��a nerd specific anti-feminist movement#AND ALSO n52 repeated the decision to cut her relationships with other women#*one of the things that contributed to Reagan’s overwhelming popularity as a president is the fact that many people who took issue with his#policies would attribute the policies they took issue with to Nancy while continuing to support the man himself#batgirl
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