#the macden ones are the best i think

[autistic-gale-dekarios]

fuck it. the always sunny characters as rare vines because i said so

[theoldkyokodied]

[Hi Dennis. How was the lion feeding?...?]

This has been something I've been working on for quite a while now, as some people who look at my insta story might know, but I'm finally done!! those text messages from s14ep5 are so unhinged, they haunt me every goddamn day. To drop "i love you so much" just to follow it with what essentially is a "no homo.. for u... even tho u r so hot and i like you so much!". exploading them with my mind into a million pieces, okay?

[cankersaurus]

Wut i think mdc love triangle looks like

[sunnykeysmash]

the structure in mac and dennis break up

this is gonna be a short post tbh, I just rewatched the episode and I have a couple of thoughts.

if you need a refresher on what I think the structure is in general, I talk about it here.

I think Mac and Dennis Break Up shows us an example of Mac and Dennis (and Charlie and Frank) working properly in regards to the structure, let me explain why:

First... I don't think there's a need for me to describe the plot of the episode, we all know.

What I want to focus on, is that at one point Mac moves in with Frank and Charlie, and starts bringing his way of life to them.

At first, Frank is thrilled.

"I could use a little structure in my life here." he says.

This reminds me of dialogue from Carries a Corpse.

"Nobody admit this to Mac, but... I feel like he was carrying a ton of weight."

"That would be another one of his annoying identities... the man who could carry stuff."

He's been shown carrying Dennis, on top of generally being inclined to micromanage, take care of others so they're safe, and make decisions or at least demand to be consulted in them (like which movie to watch on movie night).

That's when Mac works best, so I assume that Mac generally brings structure (or is a man of action, as he describes it).

Later on, we see Mac take this too far, and Frank doesn't like it anymore. To me, this is because what this episode tells us is that Charlie and Frank don't work well with a set structure, the way that Mac provides. They're more free.

I think this reading is important because it shows me why The Gang Gets Romantic fundamentally fails in its objective (not as an episode god forbid, I mean in the narrative, especially for Mac and Dennis).

It applies the romcom structure to Charlie and Frank, while it doesn't to Mac and Dennis, when it should be the opposite. Throughout the episode we see that Mac and Dennis keep fitting the tropes to the romcom structure, but they refuse to follow it, and thus it crumbles. It can't work.

Here's another thing.

Dennis' back broke in the S15 finale.

That is funny, yes, but what does this mean when I say that Mac is the (his) structure, then?

Well... Carries a Corpse implies that Mac was carrying most of the weight of the corpse, and the corpse is meant to be the show... and most show meta is basically the same as Dennis meta (most meta lines seem to relate to him, whether the fact he left for north dakota and came back, or the fact he's a dad, being between life and death, breaking his back aka the structure, and so on), as I have discussed better in my other post.

Point being, Mac carries Dennis. That's what he's meant to do, and what he does best in their relationship.

This makes me think of another recent scene that I think is emblematic of their dynamic... but in an interesting way.

So, in 2020: a Year in Review, Mac and Dennis work together on a song.

They seem to be in harmony, but eventually start disagreeing and stop altogether to focus on something else. Why?

Because Dennis is working on the backup vocals, and Mac is working on the words. Which means their roles are reversed. Mac is supposed to be carrying the song, like the wind beneath his wings that he is, and Dennis, like the man of words that he is, should be responsible for the lyrics. They're doing each other's job, which means any harmony they reach is still bound to crack a bit the moment the song doesn't work for them.

Their seating position on their sofa reflects this.

Compare it to Mac and Dennis Break Up, which is supposed to be our ideal.

They're in each other's places, in 2020.

This isn't new, they've been sitting in each other's places ever since Break Up. Mac was sitting in Dennis' place in MFHP, Dennis was sitting in Mac's place in Gets Romantic.

So tl;dr... Mac and Dennis work well under structure, when Mac is the one to bring it and carry Dennis. They fit a proper couple structure after all. Charlie and Frank don't work as well under structure, since their relationship is more unique and doesn't quite abide by normal rules because of that.

This does bring me to one last consideration though...

They're back in their right spots, in season 16! Only problem is... couch is different. I would argue an inflatable couch doesn't offer the same amount of support (structure) that a normal one would...

Now that Dennis' structural essence broke, is he gonna feel what it's like when Mac is absent?

Perhaps this is why in Cursed we get Mac as the lucky one while the others as so unlucky they start to believe they're cursed (according to the synopsis...).

So the whole gang needs Mac?

Well...

In Goes To Hell pt2, when they build the human pyramid, it's both Mac and Dennis that end up at the bottom, as its structure.

So maybe... Dennis needs Mac as his structure, and the gang needs them to be in sync so they can both, together, support them (or shut the hell up about it, as both madbu and s15 would argue). Maybe this realization could be what brings the gang to work together in order to get them together. But that's getting into just speculation so imma end it here.

I like these thoughts though... Mac and Dennis being the foundation, the structure of the whole thing :)

[nerdynikki94]

BITTERSWEET RANT ABOUT QUEER (MLM) CHARACTERS IN CURRENT MEDIA

I used to think it was impossible for me to hyperfixate on a show/ship without reading and writing nonstop fanfic about it. But then, a year and a half ago, I watched OFMD and I staunchly refused to read or write any fanfic, because I needed to wait it out and see how the amazing writers planned the story to continue. (I'm ecstatic for October 5th.)

I still considered myself to continue obsessing over my queer ships, especially when I watched Galavant and fell into a bit of a Richard/Gareth hole (but there are very few fics, I planned to write one but kept going back to my Macden fics).

Then, I watched Hannibal, and I tried to read fics, planned one too, but I just couldn't get into it, and preferred obsessively rewatching the show instead.

Now I'm literally refreshing fanvids of our Ineffable Husbands from Good Omens on YT daily, but completely unable to even glance at fics.

It's funny to think how far we are coming with queer characters in media, and I'm just so excited to see shows that refuse to queerbait. They aren't using a viewership by playing with never-ending hints and nods but zero follow through. They are acknowledging that acts of abandonment or betrayal have consequences, regardless of the initial intentions. They refuse to do that kind of disservice to the respective narrative journeys of these characters.

Yes, they may be angsty and a bit sad right now, but Goddammit, we are finally getting sincere, star-crossed gay love stories. Tragic, but not in your typical heartbreaking Brokeback Mountain -esque media from the past (no hate, love the movie, thought the short story was okay).

These queer love stories are giving the same kind of painful passion as some of the best dramatic romances around (one of my fave genres). What a time to be alive! Because it's not an unhappy ending until it ends. The best love stories have to have nearly impossible obstacles. That is how the relationships are tested.

Just thinking about how I've always hyperfixated in the past vs. how I do now. I realized it's because I finally have hope. I can't consume fics because I trust the creators and writers of canon so explicitly that I know they will continue showing how they respect the viewers while also acknowledging the significance, the absolute necessity of delving into the arcs and development the characters need to find within themselves.

I believe David Jenkins and Neil Gaiman are determined to do right (as Bryan Fuller would be, if ever given the chance to continue), not by all the vastly different opinions of the countless countering fans, but by the way they have shown genuine acknowledgement to the romance and enough respect for the love interests to make them face challenges that help them grow. Queer characters are the leads' now, and they are fully-formed yet ever-changing, unique representations, flirting with fun stereotypes, without reducing them to the worst and most inaccurate social stigmas.

So, I'm ever-resolute to hold out for canon, because I don't want to get my head so full of incredible fanfic that I have my opinion change from constantly switching perspectives.

These writers are changing the game so much that I can't help but trust that - even beyond just the romantic aspect - they actually care about the development of the characters, they aren't defined by just being gay, they are complex.

In other words, I'm in a perpetual state of refreshing Macden fic updates every time I want to read something, and trying to conjure the desire to write again, so I can get back this other Macden fic, after having spent the past two years straight writing the most fics I have for any ship in my entire life.

But, yeah, it's totally crazy to realize that the reason I can not read any of the amazing fics out there for Our Flag Means Death, Hannibal & Good Omens is because these shows are already so enthusiastic and welcoming of their queer characters.

[nailgunstigmata]

What’s your favorite MacDennis situation (when I say this I mean delusional ones that you conjure in your mind. Your best fic scenario if you will) 😳

honestly anything where theyre cringe and sappy and domestic and in love <33 but i really like lazy mornings in bed so thats probably the ideal scenario…just macden being in bed together sleeping into the afternoon because their shifts start late and being happy to be together and as long as theyre in that little bubble everything is alright. theres just so much comfort to be had in that scenario for me��so much delusion, if u will <3 lying in an uncomfortable position because ur partner is dead asleep on ur arm and u dont want to wake them so u dont even care about the pain because looking at their peaceful expression is better than any paracetamol ever could be. kissing with morning breath!! dennis letting mac kiss him even though mac hasnt brushed his teeth yet and more importantly despite the fact that dennis hasnt brushed his either…just dennis being his unmade self and being alright with that because he knows that mac will accept him with all the flaws in the world. watching the sunlight creeping along your partners face and being like whoah, this is the most beautiful person in the world and im so lucky to be with them. having them squeeze ur hand and being reminded that theyre probably thinking the exact same thing. just kind of existing in bliss together for a bit and leaving the rest of the world locked out there…yeah. im normal about it

(also if u like ur macden bittersweet you can always imagine that this is the result of a drunken night together or something and theyll return to the usual routine of repressing their feelings shortly, so its maybe the both of them pretending to still be asleep because neither of them wants to be the one to break the moment because they know that once they do theyll probably never get to have anything this pure and simple again)

[lambsmain]

charmacden and chardee for the ask game! oh and deetress:)

Oooh!! lovely selection; Deetress is one of those ships that I don't NOT ship, but I wouldn't say I actively ship them. I think the don't ship questions will have more interesting answers, but yea I am totally not against the idea of the ship at all.

(Putting this under a cut cause it became quite long.)

What made me ship it?

Charmacden: I've always been a charmac shipper, since I started watching sunny in +/- 2014. Cause I'm a sucker for childhood friends to lovers and also a Charlie girlie and naturally wanted him included. I can always get into charden, cause while it's not often they do have very genuine moments in the show, but I never really liked the obsessive nature of macden. But then I had a little detour from the sunny fixation that included OFMD among other things, and in that fandom I was a big shipper of Steddyhands, or ed/stede/izzy. I love ed/izzy but adding the Stede to balance out the toxins was pretty perfect. Then I came back to sunny and said heck yea let's slap that dynamic on the guys badabing badaboom. Also it is canon.

Why don't I ship it?

Deetress: Hadn't really occurred to me at all until I started seeing it pop up in tags on ao3. If I'm gonna ship Dee with anyone, I'm more inclined towards Artemis I think. I just don't really see it? I love girls being mean to each other but I don't think there's any tension there. But I get being starved for f/f ships and how if explored more their dynamic could be super interesting.

Chardee: Mostly because of time's up for the gang and the shift that came with that. Before that it was similar to deetress, where I could get behind the ship, but don't actively ship them. I like their dynamic but overall got a little put off by how genuinely mean Charlie is to Dee most of the time (even if its peer pressure; doesn't really have the same vibes as the way the guys are mean to each other.

What are my favorite things about the ship?

Charmacden: It's the best of all of it. Like one part about macdennis and two parts about charden and most things about charmac? why not all of it at once? It has potential for them to be a little jealous and try to outdo each other, it has fluff potential. It could be one pair comes first and the other one joins in; or they've all been unknowingly dating for 10 years and it's time to make it official. It has so many angles to poke it from and that is what makes shipping in fandom fun imo.

What would have made me like it (more)?

Chardee: Me liking charmac less would have helped lol. I'm all for multi-shipping but I do pick favorites. Also if they never went into the times up direction of course.

Deetress: You know what, I think I'm starting to like it more! I was gonna say if they had more interactions in the show that aren't really just about the guys. So the bog in ireland is a very good start. I hope the waitress gets to be cut loose from Charlie plotlines more often.

Is there an unpopular opinion I have on the ship?

Charmacden: I prefer if it's not just sexual and if macden is not the pair that gets together first. Feel like that is a little unpopular based completely on the ao3 tag.

Despite not shipping it, do you have anything positive to say about it?

Chardee: That scene in season 1 where Dee is wearing Charlie's jacket is extremely cute. I love that when they team up they try to accomplish their dreams.

Deetress: I love women and honestly wish I liked this ship more. Maybe I will look into it some more, cause I do love a good bitch for bitch dynamic.

[d1cks1e-st1x]

Saw your tags and I am coming into your inbox to say you're right. I may not go here anymore (I'll move back eventually) but you are soooooo right about Macden, no one did it right back then and I am disappointed to hear that they STILL don't do it right now

The fuckers are toxic, they are not domestic and if they ARE domestic then it's fake and plastic and they are holding into a threat and SOMEONE will end up with a knife in their arm and it will PROBABLY be Mac

FR FR FR

thank u for the bit abt domesticity because i didn’t know exactly what i wanted to say abt it and u said it good

like they ABSOLUTELY go full on hugh honey and vic vinegar partners in real estate and partners in life when they’re out and then they come home and gloat abt how they have a better relationship than anyone else they know but get sidetracked cuz they start arguing abt how the towels should be folded or something and then it escalates until they start trying to beat each other to death with metal pipes

also kinda unrelated but i personally love to interpret the gang as a weird polycule adjacent relationship where mac dennis and charlie are a triad but they all think they’re the one tricking the other two abt being exclusive (like in the episode where they’re all trying to convince each other they’re best friends over whoever isn’t there at the time) and then charlie and frank have some sort of thing going on too

i very strongly believe that they kiss but as a means of letting each other have a taste of something of something they already have in their mouth. they don’t think of it as kissing until one of the others points it out and then they argue abt it

[kiddolane]

Okay, I'm about to have a serious fandom hot take here. This may get controversial, but I really need to get this off my chest because I will go absolutely fucking insane if I hold it in any longer:

If there's one thing I've come to really hate in my short time in the IASIP fandom, it's the moralizers in the Macden community.

The entire appeal of Macden is that they're both toxic to each other, and paradoxically, it works, because while they're both so fucked in the head, that fucked-upness is in complete compatibility with one another. Even in their lowest moments in s13 and s14, doing and saying horrible shit to each other, they manage to make it through all of that and come out of it stronger (as evidenced by their improving relationship in s15 and ESPECIALLY s16).

[Okay, here's where I really start to get ranty, and potentially even controversial, so I'll put a cut right here.]

That's why I absolutely CANNOT stand it when the moralizers try to make one of them the sole villain of the two. As if everything wrong with the entire relationship is that person's fault only and the other one is a total saint. It's annoying enough when I see it from Mac moralizers, but Dennis moralizers just drive me up the fucking wall.

Trying to make it seem like Dennis is Mac's poor little victim, minimizing his role in the tumultuous spiral their relationship went through in s13 and s14, and just forcing and shoving that interpretation down people's throats as though it was the Holy Gospel. Anyone who disagrees with them is treated like an illiterate moron who is too stupid to see Mac's flaws and not someone who thinks the interpretation is making things too lopsided in Dennis' favor. The sanctimonious, condescending vibe it all gives off is so fucking suffocating.

But that's not the worst part...

The worst part is when they use actual social justice rhetoric in their interpretation (especially once it turns to sexual assault). By doing this, it automatically shuts down all the discussion right then and there. They have full control of the conversation because people are now scared into silence, scared to give a different interpretation. They're forced to agree, or else they'll be perceived as awful people who support rape culture or some other problematic position. That kind of mentality and paranoia can really eat away at a person's psyche over time if they're not careful.

This should NEVER happen in a fandom. Ever. No one should ever have to feel scared and paranoid about sharing their ideas.

This tactic is not only underhanded, but it's also dangerous, and the moralizers really need to realize that, even if they have the best of intentions.

The point of fandom is that fictional character and shipping preferences do NOT define someone's actual, real-life morality (especially not when said preferences involve putrid assholes like the Gang lol). Trying to blur that line is annoying at best and potentially dangerous at worst, and it needs to stop.

[abed-superslut-swagger]

I’ve been 22 for one hour and MacDen is essentially canon like Megan Ganz rlly gave me the best birthday gift i could ask for. Also i’m drunk so like.... i might think this is a dream in the morning and boy i will be so pleased to find out it is real

[devils-reign]

boygenius equivalent of the gang (mac, charlie and dennis) meets their designated boygenius songs !!

mac - cool about it (honourable mention is salt in the wound)

i feel like the reasoning for this one is pretty self explanatory if you’ve heard the song !! in a nutshell, mac is in love with dennis (duh) and he’s trying to be cool about it. there’s been a whoooooole lot of interpretations for this song. things like bringing something up and having it cause a fight only for you to go “we can just move past it, it’s fine,” or seeing childhood friends after years. but i think with mac it’s the point blank, romantic interpretation.

“tellin’ myself i can always do without it.” i think this was such a huge thing for mac before he even came out. it’s like the culmination of his internalized homophobia and feelings for dennis. we don’t know much about mac’s thought process on his sexuality before he comes out. his constant denial and confusion when one of the gang mentioned him being gay can either be seen as genuine, or as a deflection because he wasn’t ready to face the truth with it. i think mac had told himself multiple times that he could “do without it.” only before he came out, what that would be in reference to is his sexuality as a whole. giving up the happiness he would get from being open and out. and after he comes out, it’s in reference to his feelings for dennis. he’s finally out, and in love with his best friend who mac probably thinks shows no signs of reciprocating, so he convinces himself he could do without it.

and then, by god, we have the whole “we don’t have to talk about it” verse. if this doesn’t just SCREAM mac than i don’t know what does. the whole verse is pretty much stating that ‘we don’t have to talk about it. we can forget i said anything, and i’ll ignore how i feel and pretend it doesn’t make me feel like i’m drowning.’ it’s blatantly obvious to everyone in the gang that mac likes dennis. and whether dennis truly comprehends that or not, he started to distance himself and just became more of an asshole to mac. and i think this verse would really resonate with mac, because i’m sure he would do anything to go back to how they were before he had come out (as heartbreaking as that is).

dennis - bite the hand (honourable mention is stay down)

opening to this song goes as follows: “i can’t hear you, you’re too far away. i can’t see you, the light is in my face, i can’t touch you, i wouldn’t if i could” and OH boy is this dennis. the idea of being too far away made me think of dennis moving to north dakota for a bit. he’s too far, he can’t hear mac, can’t see mac, and he can’t touch mac. except he wouldn’t, even if he could. some more of that sweet, sweet internalized homophobia !! boooo !! i think this whole line is pretty self explanatory. dennis wouldn’t touch mac, even if he could. this could be a metaphor for reciprocating feelings. maybe he wouldn’t ever commit, even if he came out and could. because dennis is deeply troubled, and clearly so afraid of commitment. and i think the idea of committing would be so much worse with mac, because deep down, dennis has feelings !! he has big feelings !! and would be too caught up in the idea that he could lose one of his closest, and only friends if the relationship fucks up.

this also ties in with the repeated line at the end of the song, “i can’t love you how you want me to.” in my first post i rambled a little about macden and dennis’ inability to comprehend mac’s feelings. i still stand by the fact that i think dennis doesn’t really understand that mac really loves him, and it isn’t just some ‘oh i just want to fuck you’ kind of thing. but if he were to know the true extent of mac and his feelings, i think he’d very much have the notion of not being able to love mac, the way mac loves him. this can kinda stem back to the idea of not wanting to, even if he could. dennis can’t see himself being able to love mac the way mac wants him to because he’s emotionally unavailable. he’s closed off and keeps his feelings to himself. even if he could, he wouldn’t because he doesn’t feel capable of being able to meet those expectations.

from my perspective, the entire point of this song is being your own downfall. biting the hand that feeds you often symbolises treating someone poorly when they’ve been good to you. and that works for dennis as well. but i also see it as biting your own hand. dennis bites himself in the hand, and i don’t necessarily mean it in the way that he treats himself terribly. while he does, i see it more of a self sabotage type thing. dennis is his own worst enemy, and i think that won’t stop any time soon.

there’s also a really cool line in the song that goes “your hands are gravity while my hands are tied.” and i think that’s just really cool symbolism that could be portrayed through dennis. biting his own hand, holding himself back. he’s portrayed as cold and emotionless, but it’s really just the bubble he’s encased himself in, which doubles as some self sabotage.

charlie - revolution 0 (honourable mention is we’re in love for the little charmac moment)

in the same way mac is, i see charlie as very much a ride or die kind of guy. if anything, i see this as charmac moment kind of song. while it does mention imaginary friends, it does talk about wanting to look out for your friend. “i just wanna know who broke your nose, figure out where they live so i can kick their teeth in.” that screams charmac to me. anyway !! these particular lines do simultaneously remind me of mac, HOWEVER. i think charlie is so similar to mac in that way. while the gang often times fight with each other, they have their moments were they truly show that they would go to extreme lengths just for one another. and i think charlie truly is the person who would look out for his friends.

this song is probably the more depressing of the ones i picked out for the rest of the gang. but i think it really suits ireland charlie. with charlie’s breakdown, i think we get a glimpse into how tired he is. and the song talks about being exhausted when you wish you could stop. for so long charlie had just been left guessing when it came to his father. he talks about how he wasn’t there when he needed him, and i think having an absent father kind of made charlie think about his worth as a person !! the song talks about not being enough, and if that’s the case, then said person gives up. having just found his father, i think charlie was really looking through rose tinted glasses. it didn’t always seem like the best when charlie was spending time with his dad, and though it was probably unintentional, i think the show gave off the indication charlie was much better off with frank. but meeting his father was such a monumental moment that he was probably trying to will it to be enough. he’d spent all those years with frank who was like a father figure to him, and i think there’s a moment of realisation that what he had with frank was better than what he had with his dad. which is where i connect the whole “if you’re not enough, then i give up” line. it’s his biological father and he has the thought that meeting him should be enough. it should fix all the years he’s spent wondering and yearning for that moment. but it’s not what he imagined it to be, and has the opportunity to learn that his found family, the gang and frank, are where his worth lies.

>_<

anyways, i rambled a BUNCH, but i had to flood it all out of my system 💔 shout out to anyone who reads the whole thing 😨😨 if none of it makes sense i blame the 8 page lab report i wrote today :]

matt when he uh …. when he umm … matt when he assigns the boygenius equivalent of the gang (mac, charlie and dennis) boygenius songs

[emodennis]

1, 20, 21, and 33! <3

hi anon ty for asking!!

Favorite edit of yours

besides jeff/dennis, i think i'm gonna go with bad romance (macden) just because of the visceral feelings it gives me (ignoring the uneven clip quality aksjhasjkdh).

20. Is there an edit you wish someone else would make for you?

i want a kendall roy edit to wires by the neighbourhood!! (okay one already exists on youtube but it's not at all the version in my head so). tbh i get a lot of ideas for edits in non-sunny fandoms but don't even bother writing them down because i don't know other shows well enough to pick out clips off the top of my head. i want more jeff winger edits too :(

21. What software/app do you use to edit and why?

i use video star on my phone bc its the only app i know of that lets you sync clips to the beat super easily, which is important to me. however its difficult to navigate (a friend taught me how to use it), and if i want any clips to have sound, i edit those clips in imovie first before taking it to video star. for edits that almost exclusively have clips with audio (like take a hint or psycho), i just do the whole thing in imovie and take the time to try to sync them as best as i can. and uhh i use imovie cuz im too lazy to learn anything else (and its free and does what i need it to do) 😭😭😭

33. Any edits in the works?

im fresh out of edit ideas atm! so i'm working on a compilation for youtube - "the gang interacts with normal people" - kind of a follow up to my "across a desk" compilation, just all those similar scenes that don't take place across a desk lmao. anyway i'm sure another edit idea will come to me soon- they always do :,)

[charmacden]

people on my posts where i make criticisms of SEASON 16 of this show i am very obviously DEEPLY INTERESTED IN: well obviously you haven't picked up on the BASIC PREMISE OF THE SHOW.

i am aware of the point of the show, thanks. i am not saying they are perfect little angels who can never do a bad thing in their life; if that were the show i wanted to watch, i would've never gotten past the first episode then. im saying the whole point of the show is that they are vile individuals who choose to be around one another because they love each other, and the evil shit they do to one another, in order to be effective, needs to be reciprocal. a good example of this in a mac and dennis context is move to the suburbs. yes dennis isolates mac and refuses to let him go to work at the bar, but mac also feeds him their dog. it's reciprocal. it's even traumatic! slay. good episode. the back and forth of being two shitty individuals who need each other regardless is what makes it work.

oh and a disclaimer before i continue: i do not think dennis is a straight character. with my own two eyes i saw 'the boys are out tonight, huh?' in the very first episode and i said ok fag and have believed in his little fruity ass the entire time

my problem with this, which you might understand if you actually read what i said instead of interpreting it incorrectly, is that the way megan ganz writes gay characters as weird caricatures and as predatory, overly sexual beings where being queer is their entire personality . and people have been complaining that "oh rcg signs off on this it isn't just her" yes. i hate that they do it too. but at the end of the day their names aren't in the writer credits for the episodes im specifically talking about here.

additionally, ganz continually is trying to push some weird shit about sexual abuse within the gang. this will be now the third time, i think. first with chardee in times up, then with mac and dennis in this episode, and then with Someone and frank also in this episode.

would i love a canonically queer dennis? yes. we have all been saying this for forever. did i want the confirmation of this in the episode where he roofies and assaults mac? NO.

am i angry or shocked at the manipulating of mac through johnny or whatever? no. it's literally the plot of asskickers united that ganz just changed the scenario for (another thing she is prone to do see: dines out|escapes). it doesn't surprise me at all. what she "gave you" was a dehumanization of mac, the only explicitly canon gay character, as a victim of an assault at the hands of his best friend, and then a dehumanization of dennis, who looks more canonically queer by the ep, as an inhumane monster who is willingly assaulting the person he is "supposed to be" in love with, despite him repeatedly saying he doesn't even like mac (which is another thing in the writing of the most recent seasons i hate)

"I know it’s sometimes hard to look at this show through any lens but horror at what they’ve done" no. it's not, really. maybe for you idk but, i watch the show very easily and have multiple times, because i genuinely enjoy it. but when the writing is bad and the "more signs of Dennis being more queer than usual" are just him being gross and predatory and pushing stereotypes that help absolutely nobody...........ew!

and, like, i'll be honest! macden used to be a slay for me, until the later seasons when they started changing the power dynamic and making it weird, because instead of two homoerotic boy best friends they turned it into a man actively punching down on his gay roommate who very obviously is hurt by this but never gets any vindication. but i would get it if it became canon since that's where it looks like the show is going.

however, this entire thing could have been avoided if the plot of the episode had just been like. dennis catfishing mac. and not. roofie-ing him and assaulting him. but because that is what ganz finds funny to write, and that's what they consider good tv....that's what got kept in

anyone who isn't gonna clown on my post want to say anything?

megan ganz: using r*pe/s*xual assault as a joke, making fun of victims, and making the one canon gay character the victim of sexual assault enacted by the hands of the character in the same episode where it is most heavily implied he sleeps with men

y'all: omg. is this gay rights best episode yet macdennis canon.

WHATTTTT

[badnew2005]

macdennis + ginasfs (fall out boy)

[nailgunstigmata]

whats yr favorite macden moment? :}

its probably the rpg scene but if i had to disqualify that one (because its the easy choice) id probably pick when dennis serenades mac in gang dines out!! i like it when dennis is the one being goofy and i honestly think the fact that mac didnt know the whole thing was about him just makes it cuter…like this is how u look at ur boy best friend when u think hes not even serenading you but just a random veteran??? theyre so embarrassing and cringe and in love i want to beat them both over the head with a rock

[literaphobe]

i’m gay and i want ice cream :(