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this is what canon charmacden looks like (to me)

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mac and dennis’ breaking point

Or, a continuation of the analysis of the development of Mac and Dennis’ dynamic, starting from season 9 all the way to season 14.

I’ve been thinking about this post, this post and this post for quite a while now, and since the OP of the first post, @softhowerton​, never continued the analysis post as far as I’m aware, I wanted to continue it myself and throw my two cents in as I believe there is an actual, clear point that shattered the relationship as we know it at least until season 14, and it isn’t just hero or hate crime as the post suggests, in my opinion. Spoiler alert or tldr: it’s Suburbs, click read more to understand why I think so.

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Rest in peace to the fake cold open script I wrote when I was thinking of how an immediate post macden episode could go

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just realized there's probably a lot of new people in sunnyblr so im gonna shill again the sunny spec script I wrote in 2020 in 2 days

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I need mac to hit dennis with that "WE? we are not a couple, Dennis" soooo bad actually

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so people are saying that glenn said that macdennis won't ever be canon

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the glenn macdennis comment hurt obviously but also so necessarily cause i’d gotten too delusional i was too obsessed with the potential final prize instead of fully enjoying what i love about what macden is rn which is the saddest awfulest gay tragedy ever written this is such a good catalyst for lowering my expectations and just living laughing loving in the doomed queerbait this is what shipping’s about what fandom’s about what life is about let us rest peacefully knowing that we absolutely will still get shit and it’ll be crazy and funny and sad but ultimately the power to make it beautiful lies with us. as the queerbait gods intended

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Glenn is right: it is objectively funnier if Mac and Dennis never acknowledge what they are to each other, of course it is.

The humour in Macdennis moments lies in the fact that they have no idea how gay they are for each other, because that’s where Macdennis was born.

Season 5 has these extremely homoerotic moments that follow the insane idea that they should be a fake gay couple because they want to swim in a pool, which results in Dennis breaking them up because of how serious it becomes when it’s acknowledged what they are to each other.

The following 11 Seasons of Macdennis plays with their relationship in a continued, yet often unacknowledged, homoerotic or sexual way, switching between one or both of them failing to realise it’s pretty gay and thus, making it funny.

They’ve been roommates for 25 years. Dennis financially supported Mac the whole time they lived there through S9, at least. They lose their apartment, they both live at Dee’s, they don’t like living at Dee’s, they go rent a house in the Suburbs to play husband and wife. Back in their apartment, they get rid of all their furniture and so now they share a bed. Now they share finances, it’s not just Dennis’, but “our nut,” roommates with a joint bank account. They somehow share doctor’s appointments.

They watch each other have sex, they watch sex together, they spy on each other having sex, they train each other in sexual practices, they practice seducing each other, they attempt to seduce each other, they repeatedly establish their places of dominance, they give each other orgasms, via the prostate, or internal, of course.

They’re incredibly codependent and they’re both getting off.

The fact that they fail to address that it’s reciprocally gay, that there’s some label to be assigned to their relationship far beyond ‘roommates’ is funny. “I sleep with women but I’m emotionally involved with Mac.” It’s funny that only when they lie for the scheme are they really telling the truth.

It’s happening, it will continue to happen, and they won’t define it because why would they? Move Past It, it’s one of their best jokes.

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no glenn is right it would be very funny if dennis tried to justify having gay sex with mac as something that straight guys do with their gay friends as bros and it doesnt mean that hes in love with mac in any way shape or form

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on macden ever becoming canon:

i think it’s already canon in that they’re canonically into each other, they’re canonically codependent, they canonically have a (weird) sexual relationship, and they’ve canonically built a (dysfunctional) life together. as a macden enjoyer i personally am already satisfied

i also think it would TOTALLY track if they never became actual boyfriends or an actual couple. the tragedy of their dynamic (and the whole gang’s dynamic) is that they’re both the only one who can love the other in a way that ~works, but they’re also both too messed up to actually make it work. this is a huge part of what makes macden interesting, imho

that being said, i am 100% team endgame macdennis. i want them to continue going on weird dates and i want them to canonically get married (for tax reasons obvs) and canonically bang (for gay reasons) and live horribly ever after

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tell me if i’m just talking out of my ass here but the way i see it i think they’re toggling/deciding between two different camps with the future of macdennis’ dynamic.

one being the route where they continue making the Situations they put them in be so ridiculously and undeniably gay that if they were happening to any other pair of characters ever it would be so obvious that there’s something happening between them. but then never actually have dennis reciprocate his feelings for mac (directly or indirectly)

another camp could be following through with the arc they started setting up at s12 that would eventually wind up confirming (in one way or another) that they both have feelings for each other. but they keep setting up increasingly stupid Situations that prevent them from ever actually getting together or saying how they actually feel.

i feel like having both undeniably sexual/ romantic situations AND confirmed, reciprocated feelings would be the line they’re too scared of crossing so they kind of Have to pick one or the other?

it’s pretty clear they’ve had extensive conversations about this and glenn’s recent thoughts on sometimes sacrificing making the funniest choice in favor of exploring more Interesting character stuff seems to (maybe) point to the second camp. but also the trajectory of s16 seems to be pointing to the first camp. it might seem like a weird nit-picky thing but i think the distinction completely changes the point of what makes that dynamic funny.

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it’s hilarious that glenn is like “it’s not funny if mac and dennis sleep together” because it wasn’t funny for charlie and the waitress to sleep together but they did that anyway

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Windows - Part 1/?

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"I fell for you and I get clobbered. You then fall for me and I, again, somehow get clobbered. I'm tired of being clobbered, you know? It's, it's just not worth it."

Rob McElhenney naming Mac and Dennis alongside Ross and Rachel as one of the greatest "will they, won't they?" couples in sitcom history forever altered my brain chemistry.