#the john sugden of it all

[scrapyardboyfriends]

Here’s some quick fauxbert nonsense for you. (I’m so rusty 🤣)

[british-soaps]

Let’s see where everyone’s heads at for emmerdale

[damnitiloveyou]

the actor when on corrie was actually fine. he was able to convey love LMAO and was literally pretending to be someone's son when he wasn't but was still able to be likeable and charming and nice. he was killed in a really sad way and i remember being like OH NO! such a weird choice to have him have such negative strong feelings towards robert? makes no sense!

All the people who have now told me that he is capable of decent acting have now given me expectations. Damnit. Make him bad. Make the acting choices make sense. And while they're at it they can have all of this leading to a Robert return and saving Aaron's life. Thanks.

[justwantanaccounttobenosey]

Robert Jacob Sugden is literally the king of emmerdale & he hasn't been on it for 5 years. When he left the first time (2005) he wasn't really mentioned much. He returned in 2009 for Jack's funeral then left. He then returned with a new face in 2014 & boy did he make an impression. Sadly he left in 2019. But let's look at what has happened since he left.

Aaron Dingle - former husband gets a new bf in Bland Ben, he dies, Aaron leaves then returns permanently 2023. Hooks up with Robert's so called half brother & now they are in love.

John Sugden - Arrives 2024 to apparently revive the sugdens but literally has no scenes with Victoria. He was just bought in to give Aaron a new bf. Why make him a sugden? Previous male Sugdens are interesting & have a personality this cheap knock off is bland & boring.

Ross Barton - returns 2024 happened to leave in 2018 with Rebecca & Seb (Robert's son). Tells Victoria & Aaron that Rebecca is dead & Seb is living with an aunt of hers.

Joe Tate - returns 2024 after 6 years away. He happens to be named after Robert's uncle Joe Sugden & his mother Rachel had an affair with Robert's dad Jack Sugden. Old history has always been Tates v Sugdens & Tates v Dingles.

Basically what I am trying to say is all these returning & new characters have one character in common and that is the mighty Robert Jacob Sugden. His name has been mentioned more over the last 5 years than it was when he left in 2005 & used to sell storylines to try & make them interesting. No doubt Joe Tate will mention him now he is back. All I can say is if this is all leading to Robert's return then we'll bloody played Emmerdale but if is all for nothing & just leading to Tates V Dingles yet again then I definitely won't be back. I will only watch again properly if Robert returns & surely this has to happen. It has to be Ryan playing him because their is no one else who can do it as he made such an impact when he was Robert.

Long live the king Ryan Hawley aka the legendary Robert Jacob Sugden.

[thelovetheystole]

I couldn't resist highlighting some of what was said in that RadioTimes piece:

There are more parallels to come 👀, that's, wow... Yeah, they're either up to something or plain stupid.

This is what I've been saying for ages! About John, but also about Seb.

This one goes without saying!

Also spot on.

Yeah, remember Victoria back in 2016??

I wonder about the point of him all the time... And we're not the only ones to notice his strangeness, then...

The link to the full story ⬇️

[castielmoriarty]

while all of us in the Robron fandom are obviously biased, the relevant thing is that the only reason we became so biased and obsessed with them in the first place is because of how good it was from the start. but looking at Johnron as objectively as possible, it's obvious that even without Robron making us biased, this ship comes nowhere near all the things that made Robron so appealing. there are countless queer ships out there these days, including in Emmerdale, and there's a reason why Robron (afaik) is the most popular Ed ship ever. so them trying to recreate it like this is just such a terrible idea, while at the same time it being amusing how fucking far off they actually are? it's obvious what they're doing but inconceivable how they are pulling it off so poorly. I'll say it again, they should have gone a new/different route for Aaron where comparisons wouldn't even have been relevant (but that also wasn't as un-fucking-believeably bad as Bearon). the three main issues I have at this point is that they have nowhere near the chemistry Robron had, or even just in general. (Aaron had/have a lot more chemistry with Jackson, Mack and even Adam, imo.) then the fact that there was no build-up, which can work with some ships, but not in this case imo. and thirdly that John and Aaron are too alike, John calls Aaron angry/grumpy, but what the fuck is he? he's hardly shown more than one emotion or facial expression so far. both of them are very much >:|. one of the best things with early Robron was the combo of Aaron's grumpiness with Rob's constant smirks and gleefulness. even this idea that part of the appeal with Robron was them being a Sugden and a Dingle doesn't check out because a lot of us had never watched Ed before getting into it due to Robron, while no one's going to find Emmerdale and start watching it because of Aaron and John. CMV. with that said I'm not saying this ship has no potential, or that it's impossible that I will get more into it given time. just that the fandom's negativity about it is definitely not just due to bias.

[gilithan]

Literally One Scene

It's Christmas, and Aaron Dingle is in the Mill, surrounded by family.

Except, the family is one he barely recognises. An uncle he isn't even sure he likes or trusts, and his family with issues that rival Aaron's own. The guy his Mum is seeing, he's fine I suppose, but not they're not exactly close. And then there's John. His guy. Mr Sugden.

Just not the one he thought he would be with.

Aaron excused himself from the table for a moment as the meal began to finish, taking his drink to pretend to study the tree. Even the setting called back memories. This was the home he had made. Except now it wasn't his, he was a guest.

"Y'alright?" Chas spoke from behind him

He jumped slightly, so lost in thought he'd not realised she had joined him. "Yeah, 'course," He replied with a scoff

"Convincing," Chas wrapped an arm around his and smiled. But it was bittersweet, like this whole day felt. "Christmas is an odd time. The older I get the more it gets... complicated"

"What'dya mean?"

"Well, I'm here, with my son. With my brothers, my new man, my son's new man, but..." Her smile fell, "Jenny, Grace, my Mum, Zach... so many people who I would love to share this day with aren't here."

Aaron nodded, but didn't look her in the eye. "Look, Mum, I really don't want to"-

"Sorry! Sorry, I didn't mean to... we don't have to have this big long chat I just wanted to..." She grabbed his hand, "I just wanted to let you know, that I know how hard this might be. Despite all the happiness, I know... you miss him, miss the life you built. And I wanted to make sure you knew that it's okay to miss that."

Aaron stared back for a moment, then nodded and blinked the few stray tears away. She hugged him, and he whispered "Thanks, Mum" in her ear.

"Merry Christmas, son," She smiled again.

[nooneelsecomesclose17]

I’ve gotta ask…what was the point of making John a Sugden?

He’s had a handful of scenes with Vic, very little conflict over it with Aaron that lasted more than seconds and all the other family is gone.

Did they plan it before seeing if they could get Ryan back and just went with it anyway? Are they playing the long game and there is a return? Why?

I hate not knowing things.

[actual-exhusbands]

Regarding the recent spoilers: the Christmas return is a previous character who is linked to the Dingle family and potentially the Sugden family.

I can only think of Robert and Andy. I obviously would love for it to be Robert and with his marriage to Aaron Dingle he does seem to fit into the criteria.

However, considering the interview was with Sarah Sugden's actress I'm guessing it might actually be Andy. With him being Sarah's dad he also matches the description. If it is him then maybe he'll feel similar about John as Robert had originally felt towards him.

Who knows; Andy might end up sending John away on his merry travels with or without a pitchfork shaped wound (with being preferable). That, or, Andy can reflect on his past relationship with Robert. He might finally understand Robert's point-of-view which could potentially encourage him to visit Robert in prison and, furthermore, it may or may not lead to a Robert return after Christmas.

In all honesty, I'm only overthinking Andy's return so I don't build my hopes up too high for Robert coming back. This spoiler sounds too good and certainly too promising for it to actually be about Robert.

[renamusing]

just watched today's hour long ep and im leaving my thoughts below:

putting aside the fact that the current writers can be complete nonsensical idiots most of the time, there is something pretty suspicious about this whole rebecca plot twist.

first, why kill her if ross says they had split up for a while before she died? if this twist was only to serve ross's comeback story, then they had no need to kill rebecca at all. ross said today that after they split, rebecca had already moved to bristol with seb to stay with her aunt so that would have been that. ross would still have been stupid enough to get into illegal fighting and other criminal activities on his own without the added grief of her death.

second, people are panicking because robert apparently signed the papers so seb could stay with this supposed aunt of rebecca. im sorry, but what else did you expect robert to do? since the moment he went to prison, robert made it a priority to sever himself from aaron. he handed himself in so aaron could have a life of his own, and seb a dad he could one day be proud of, instead of a father on the run for the rest of his life. so i don't believe robert would EVER put seb on aaron if he could avoid it. can you imagine, robert thinking aaron has settled somewhere with a guy living a life of his own just how robert wished, only for robert to saddle him with his kid? yes, for us fans, that wouldn't be selfish because we know aaron would be great with seb, however, the prospect brings up so many questions to me personally, like does robert even know liv died? does he know aaron went to live in italy for a time? does he know aaron came back? we can't even trust victoria to have told robert anything because according to ross victoria hasn't been in contact with robert recently! she hasn't even been in contact with bex and seb, for years! even aaron said they didn't get in touch because they thought rebecca, ross and seb were "happy". which brings me to my third point.

according to today's episode, rebecca died around 3 months ago. who also showed up just around that time? john sugden. im not trying to build a conspiracy theory here—could john's army medic past allow him to perform surgeries in liverpool?? lmao im kidding—what i mean is (and correct me if im wrong), this seems like the time the "new stories" overseen by iain macleod started kicking in. which means they had to cover plot holes from past stories in the least limiting way possible, especially considering the show wouldn't want to spoil robert's return (if ryan does come back) or the fact he isn't coming back at all.

so we don't know if rebecca died before or after victoria called robert to tell him about john like she said she would. we don't know if it was robert who decided not to mention bex's death to vic, or if vic even spoke to robert at all after meeting john.

what im more and more certain of, though, is that seb will play a big part in the story going forward. his predicament as an orphan could:

give vic a plot - because why didn't her brother trust her with his son? could it be because robert thought she already had her hands full with her own kid? or did he think seb would be happier and more comfortable with people he already knew and was familiar with? now that vic's dismal plot with jacob is done, i can see her trying to get some offscreen visiting rights with the bristol auntie, or, in the best case scenario, onscreen seb visits.

give aaron a plot - unfortunately another one that involves john, because being a father is something that aaron always wanted and, depending on who writes this sl, it could have him opening up to john about his and robert's surrogacy attempts. i don't mind it at all, because if robert comes back it will be much juicier if aaron and john are as settled as possible (good luck with that nonexistent chemistry lol), yet i refuse to watch those two bring up seb. period.

an emergency exit to ross - michael parr's interviews have been vague at best. he has talked about doing a short stint and not knowing what the future holds for his character, so if seb doesn't return in the foreseeable, he could well be the reason ross goes away again.

speed up robert's release - yes, robert signed the papers for seb to stay with his aunt in bristol, but i don't doubt he has thought about attempting a new appeal so he could be with his son. legal matters take time and with the lee/luke plot loophole from a few years back, it would only be a case of waiting for ryan to be available.

this seems to be the gist of it to me so far. but i have to mention the one thing that stood out to me today and which i really enjoyed was how calm aaron was through everything except the one moment ross threw the 'slept with his brother' comment in his face. i need 10 more of those, ross. keep them coming!

[sugdenlovesdingle]

Fr me there's just too much to not be leading into something

Rebecca dead 3 months ago, not recently.

Ross saying 'as far as he's aware' Robert is still in prison. Suss, as he should know.

Constant mentioning of Seb and Robert. I get it's too do with Ross, but they could just not have mentioned it, or Rebecca be alive.

Vic not really being in contact with Robert even tho she was earlier in the year.

Aaron and john getting closer and actually talking all of a sudden.

I reckon Robert's out already and with Seb,and will be back Christmas to stir things up.

I REALLY hope it's not Nate coming back 🤔😁😂😅😬🤣

Well Katie Hill said the person returning was connected to the dingles AND the sugdens. nate wouldn't be connected to the sugdens...

It all has me 👀 but don't want to get my hopes up AGAIN with the Robert and Seb mentions and have it be another kayak boy before Meena got to him deal - with Aaron telling fauxbert he loves HIM and Robert is in his past blablabla (I dare emmerdale to prove me wrong!)

[scrapyardboyfriends]

We're laughing about the absurdity that Aaron would keep going back to John but watching affair era, Robert is just as bad and frankly so is Aaron. Haha.

He's like whatever this is, it's over, it'd done after the Lachlan drugs thing and then like the next day he's walking up to Aaron at the garage all like "so Lachlan's back home and everything is fine wanna meet up later?" And Aaron's all "you don't care about your step son at all" and then five minutes later he's like "kiss and make up? don't mind if I do!" They're so dumb.

But at least they've been at this for a month already and they've had like...actual conversations. And Robert is investing in his business. And they seem to genuinely enjoy spending time together. And Robert's been having problems with Chrissie this whole time so it's believable that he'd miss being with someone he can be more of himself with.

I mean look at that...character motivations! Haha.

But no really...the John and Aaron stuff is so baffling to me because they still haven't even had a proper conversation yet. They badly flirted over Aaron fixing the van. Had a stilted chat after they hooked up. Aaron accused him of knowing he was Robert's brother and they shoved and punched each other. The van stuff was more Mack and John. And they had that horrendous exchange where John was all "i know you want me" at Aaron so he'd try and kiss him and that's literally it.

The fact that they've never just had a normal chat or tried to get to know each other at all or even talked about the Robert of it all is just...

I truly don't understand how there could possibly be any feelings there from this. It's ridiculous.

[dannymillerfansite]

Spoilers Emmerdale star Danny Miller has confirmed that his character Aaron Dingle will be sharing scenes with the show's new Sugden.

Show bosses recently announced the casting of former Coronation Street actor Oliver Farnworth as newcomer John Sugden, who'll be joining the village later in the summer.

John is a new arrival who'll be shaking up life for Victoria, who's the only remaining Sugden family member still left in the village.

He has also been tipped to "catch the eye of an unsuspecting resident", creating plenty of drama in the Dales.

Speaking to Digital Spy on the red carpet at the Radio Times Soap Awards, Danny teased: "There's a Sugden coming in. With the history that Aaron has with Robert, it'll be interesting to see what happens with them. "It's going to be an interesting few months, which is great."

Off screen, Ryan Hawley – who played Aaron's husband Robert – recently made the switch to BBC One's Casualty. He's currently playing the role of Jamie Cleveland in the long-running medical drama.

Asked about Ryan's new job, Danny joked: "Traitor! He's a great actor and I speak to him all the time.

"Hopefully he does a good job – I'm sure he will, with everything else he's done. I'm excited for him."

Oliver Farnworth was recently pictured filming alongside Jeff Hordley (Cain Dingle) for some dramatic Emmerdale fire scenes, which will air in a few weeks' time.

John Sugden will be involved in the high-stakes rescue scenes when Moira Dingle and Ruby Fox-Miligan get trapped in a burning barn.

via Digital Spy

[damnitiloveyou]

I'm finally all caught up and current with Emmerdale. I've been watching this show, and several others, for years and years so I understand that bad storylines happen. When you churn out that much of a singular product some of it will inevitably be bad. That being said though the John Sugden thing is inexcusably bad. He makes absolutely no sense at all. He doesn't even make sense as a badly written side character. I think everyone agrees that they most likely wrote him as a Sugden prior to talking to Ryan about a return and so the only thing they bothered planning for him was being in the middle of a love triangle when Robert returned to the village. When Ryan said no, or at least not right now, they just didn't bother coming up with anything else for John other than some tragic backstory with someone named Aiden Moore. A mini plot that went absolutely nowhere and amounted to absolutely nothing.

There is no point in him being a Sugden. He has nothing whatsoever to do with Vic. Not a single villager has even had so much as a passing comment about how odd it is that he's there, seemingly out of the blue, and suddenly in love with his brother's ex-husband. He spent Christmas day with Aaron and his family in the house that Aaron shared with Robert and Liv and no one acknowledged it at all. There wasn't even a moment of Aaron looking around wistfully. It's bizarre. It's nonsensical. And it's bad, lazy storytelling. There are writers in that building who have written some lovely scripts. There are people in that building who are capable of giving him and this storyline nuance. There are people in that building capable of acknowledging Robert's existence and importance to Aaron and his past while making it clear that Aaron is moving forward with someone else (if Ryan is really not planning on coming back). Ignoring the Robert and Sugden of it all is why people are convinced there's something more going on. Hiding something is the only thing that makes sense given how the story has been told thus far. All they need to do is address it! That's it! Let them talk about it! Allow it to be acknowledged by other characters. It won't make me hate him or this storyline any less but at least it would make some kind of sense. I understand that Aaron has to move on if Ryan isn't returning and that's hard enough but it's unbearable with a story this badly written.

[justwantanaccounttobenosey]

They keep bringing back characters all connected to Robert. First it was Aaron, then they invent a fake brother of Robert's who happens to be gay so hooks up with Aaron, then Ross Barton & now Joe Tate. Does that mean Robert is on his way back? Has Joe employed John & got him to pretend to be a sugden (as Joe knows all the history of Sugden's over the years) to get revenge on Dingle's (cain, Debbie, Aaron) & Robert (haulage fiasco etc). Now that would be interesting x I just want Robert back!! It's like they asked Ryan he said not at the moment but if you set it up for me by bringing these characters back then yes I will in 2025? Who knows I am just kidding myself! Give me Robert Jacob Sugden now

[thelovetheystole]

According to an article I read, Emmerdale has like 60 characters. Today, I want to take a moment to talk about the silent 61st character. Gone 5 years from the show, but still on everyone's mind, especially if you've been reading soap media in 2024...

Below, a little compilation I've made from just a couple of outlets, all this year (if I have made a mistake and included an older one, I apologise.)

These are far from all of it, and I've not even touched on the online click-bait stories. Here we have everything from blatant baiting (putting Robron on the cover of a magazine with Emmerdale previews and captioning it 'love conquers all!') to alluding (implying John is only the start of Sugden additions to the show) and even a cheeky suggestion that the show hand Ryan a black cheque 😂 Danny was flying the Robron flag proudly at the start of the year, and even Mike P wants Ryan to return...

Add to this that his name has been mentioned on screen 20-ish times, the show has recreated several Robron sceanrios with Aaron and the new Sugden and even had a keychain made with Robert's photo, as seen in the last collage...

Find me another past character that can match this 5 or even 2 years later! I bet there are even current characters or couples that haven't been alluded to this much in the media this year.

And clearly, the 'Is Steph a Sugden?' one takes the cake, as Robert is only 7 years older than her 😆