#the fact that they gave Klaus a daughter

[morningstargirl666]

HIIII I just finished reading The Big Bad Wolf and IT WAS AWESOME I'm so happy I came across this fic because I don't usually read works in progress and it's a miracle that tumblr brought me to a post where this fic was mentioned in the comments.

So, I've been reading it for the last few days, and from the very conversation between Caroline and Klaus in chapter 11, when she was supposed to distract Klaus, I wondered if Marcel would show up in this job? Or if there would be more talk about him? And if Klaus would go to New Orleans and learns about Marcel being alive and a King . I just love fics where Caroline meets Marcel because he's proof that Klaus has a heart, I really believe they once had a family relationship.

I'm so intrigued about this work, it's magnificent, Thank you🤌😩

Firstly! Thanks so much for reading! ❤️✨ TBBW is my beautiful problem child and I love the fic with my whole heart. Tomorrow actually marks its one-year anniversary since I last updated which is absolutely WILD. Like? It's been a year?! Since my past self decided, hey! Lets just, you know, do some light editing. Fix all the crappy grammar and shit. What could possibly go wrong? [nervous laughter]

[side-eyes the steadily growing wordcount of TBBW's complete and utter rewrite at this point]

Yeah... ANYWAYS you might want to check ao3 tomorrow. I might be posting something to explain why I haven't updated in a year (and to tease what's to come hehe). And as for the coversation between Klaus and Caroline in what was chapter 11, I adore that scene! So thank you so much for pointing it out. It's a lovely favourite of mine. And as for Marcel, me mentioning him was definitely deliberate and you'll see more of him in TBBW's rewrite. Because oh, my dear, I have plans. Specifically, plans for a cetain sequel, set in New Orleans.

The whole baby plot always seemed so stupid to me? Especially when the writers created Marcel, a character concept that was far more intriguing than a miracle baby that completely demolished all the in-canon lore. So yeah. I fixed it.

That's what TBBW is, really. A fix-it fic. But instead of me picking one thing from canon I disagreed with, I just decided to fight the whole bloody thing, by tooth and claw and an' all.

Thanks for sticking by me and reading this feral gremlin of a fic. You're in for one hell of ride, I'll promise you that ✨

[occulthours]

If Bonnie took over as headmistress for Alaric, what would her relationship be like with Hope? Would Klaus suddenly attend Parent-Teacher conferences?

Hello anon! Sorry this took me ridiculously long, I've been packing, moving, and adjusting to dorming for uni this year.

@klonnieshippersclub gave a wonderful answer to an ask similar to this (link), but I'll add my own thoughts!

Of all the TVD/TO characters, Bonnie Bennett was not only the most qualified person to run a supernatural school, she was the only person qualified. The fact that Alaric and Caroline were the ones to open it was a bit ridiculous.

Alaric was very abusive to Hope in canon. I never bought the father-daughter relationship the show attempted to push. Alaric constantly used Hope to shield his own children from violence and fully admitted to allowing Hope into the school for that sole reason. He constantly used Hope for her power while simultaneously reprimanding her for having that power in the first place. Shaming a child as powerful as Hope and then being shocked when she grows to be bitter and resentful towards you is peak delusion.

In contrast, Bonnie, who knows what it's like to wield powerful magic (dark or natural) would be far more understanding of Hope. Hope was guilt-tripped into being the school's savior due to her physical and magical advantage over all of the students. There's no way in hell Bonnie Bennett would have a child on the battlefield in any circumstance. Especially given how she was pushed into being the savior of her friend group at a young age. Bonnie would not only refuse to have Hope fighting a grown-up's war, but she'd ensure that Hope gets the proper emotional and mental health she needs (the proper emotional and mental health that a teenaged Bonnie deserved to have) to combat her suicidal tendencies.

Hope was often left alone to essentially raise herself by her family members throughout her life, namely after her parents died, which is something Bonnie could relate to. Bonnie often came home to an empty house due to her father's work schedule and mother's absence. Aside from Grams, Bonnie didn't have any consistent adult figures in her life. Hope, as someone who grew up isolated in a boarding school, was in need of someone to guide her and Alaric did not meet the criteria to do so. Hope would've majorly benefited from having someone like Bonnie as a mentor.

As for Klaus, I do think that Bonnie would be more proactive (maybe a little more than she should be lol) in the home lives of her students. Especially of those she knows the parents of. Seeing as Bonnie had a deadbeat parent, there's no way she wouldn't have shit to say about one of her students having one (I do think that it's unrealistic and ooc that Hayley nor Marcel even tried to reach out to Klaus when he started his deadbeat era to be the shit out of him, but). Bonnie would take the parent-teacher conference to him if she had to. She wouldn't sit by passively as one of her students wallowed in their suffering nor would she use it to her advantage like Alaric did (seriously. He SUCKS.)

Bonnie would relate to Hope in more ways than any of the other TVD/TO could in regards to magic and family, and I would've loved to see them interact in canon!

Thanks for the ask, and your patience lol.

[bittergirlsworld]

I don't understand why people try to invalidate the fact that Klaus abused Hayley. He took her freedom, he physically assaulted her, and he said he trusted her and then broke her neck. He cursed her and kept her away from the daughter she died to birth just because he felt entitled to the baby. He became a deadbeat, and she had to do all the lifting on her own, and like every ungrateful teenager, Hope still didn't hesitate to throw her under the bus to have Klaus attention. Klaus loved Hayley as a family and was sexually attracted to her for a while, yes. But let's not pretend that he spent a lot of time tolerating Hayley because she was the womb who gave him a child. She was literally held in a choke by him because she wanted an abortion for the baby he crossed his heart and hoped to die that was unwanted. Klaus didn't love Hayley romantically at all, and that's why he held her to the same kind of abuse he held his siblings, especially Rebekah. The fact he accepted Hayley and Elijah far better than he accepted Jackson because in love with Hayley, Elijah would never leave him, but Hayley with Jackson would limitate his control over her life... basically all he did to Rebekah, on some scale. Cursed her to be trapped as wolf stealing her life, essentially, as he stole Finn's life. It's not the same thing, but it's the same line of thinking. Hayley was and will always be family and I love her character and think she was her best self around Klaus but he didn't loved her as a woman, he loved her a family and because he saw his family as his assets, he abused her as he abused his family, because even being a victim, Klaus was a perpetrator of the cycle of abuse his father started. Abused his siblings, abused his son, and then abused the mother of his child.

[andreal831]

TVDU and forced parenthood

I don't know if it is because Julie Plec didn't understand parenthood or just didn't care, but almost every character has a messed up relationship with the idea of parenthood.

Starting with Rebekah, whose entire identity becomes about being a mother. When she is first introduced, she behaves like an immature teenager with almost no maternal instincts or desires. But it quickly shifts in TO to focus on her desire to have a child. I am completely fine with a woman wanting to have children, but she never gave a real reason to want it. Just this general idea that she had always desired it. I get she likely would have been thinking about it when she was human since, during their human period, women tended to have children in their teen years and it was what all women did. But throughout her 1,000 years, we never see her seek that relationship with anyone. She briefly develops a protective relationship with April and then Davina, but they are easily pushed aside. She even abandons her relationship with Hope multiple times. It never seemed to me that she wanted to be a parent, rather wanted a baby.

This is even more obvious by the fact that Klaus 'adopts' Marcel. Rebekah could have adopted a child, or taken in someone throughout her long life. Now, it could have been that she feared Klaus would be angry and jealous, but this story is never shown. In fact, Klaus seems fine with Rebekah training Marcel, even after he was jealous of Elijah teaching him.

Speaking of Marcel, this whole storyline was problematic. The Mikaelsons take in this boy and then make him feel indebted to them. I've seen people argue that they didn't adopt Marcel, but rather took him in as a ward. Either way you look at it, Marcel was a child and deserved to be treated like one and not some trophy (a lot of white saviorism happening). I do think Elijah wanted to raise Marcel as a son but Klaus wouldn't let him. So instead, Klaus raises him as a friend which created a complicated relationship. I also hate how you can clearly see the difference in how Hope is protected versus how Marcel was raised. Whether it's sexist or racist or just based on him not being their biological family, it's problematic.

And then there is Hope. Hayley will always be my favorite parent in TVDU. Even when she was young and overwhelmed, you could tell her thoughts and actions were all about protecting Hope. Yes, some things she did weren't the smartest plan, but she was also a scared 20-something-year-old trying to survive against enemies that were 1000x her age. She risked her life repeatedly for her daughter and would sacrifice anything for Hope to be safe and happy. She was the one character I felt truly understood what it meant to be a parent.

I always get in trouble when I criticize Klaus as a parent, but he was a narcissistic parent for 90% of the show and that honestly needs its own post.

It's not surprising the Mikaelsons don't know how to be parents. Mikael wanted to train them to be warriors and Esther had a similar feel to Rebekah, that she wanted babies but didn't know how to be a mother. I know Esther and Mikael likely had their own childhood traumas, but that's another conversation.

I liked that Kol and Davina never discussed children. Davina was young and Kol never expressed desires to be a father. Not everyone needs to want to have children. To me, Elijah was the only Mikaelson sibling who expressed a deeper interest in being a parent. Yet, he still didn't understand the full extent. He essentially acted like a parent to his siblings but ended up just having messed up relationships with each of them. He wanted to step in with Marcel and even Hope. I like to think he learned his lesson from Marcel and fought harder for Hope, but again, the whole family just fought harder for Hope.

I also think Freya having a child makes sense, but Vincent being the father had me baffled. He hated Elijah for what he did to Davina until Elijah died, but forgave Freya for her role? Not only forgave her but decided to help continue the Mikaelson line. I just find it hard to believe that he would have agreed to help. But Julie wanted to expand the Mikaelsons and then do nothing with it I guess.

Even in TVD, this idea that everyone wants to be a parent is pushed. Again, yes some people do, but not everyone needs to want children.

I understood Jo, Alaric, and even Stefan's desire to have children. This need to protect and care for others was built into them. We see Alaric (before his character sucked) basically adopt Elena and Jeremy. Jo was always protective of her siblings and loved caring for others so much she became a doctor. Stefan just always had this paternal need to take care of others in my opinion. I even see this with Elena and Bonnie. (Also the fact that Bonnie's future is never mentioned -- we hear about everyone else but what was Bonnie up to in Legacies??)

But Caroline and Damon having children made no sense to me. Caroline had dreams of a career and seemed adventurous, but then was forced into pregnancy at what 23 years old while she was still in school? Yes, we see she gets to become a journalist, but in Legacies we don't hear anything about her life or career. She isn't even there as a mother. Caroline's character basically disappears.

Damon never expressed a desire for children that I can remember. He enjoyed his vampire life and I can't see him giving it up to be a mortal, stay-at-home dad.

There are a lot of problems with the show, Friends, but one thing I've always loved is how they show the different pathways to parenthood. Pheobe is a surrogate for her brother, Monica adopts, and Rachel is a single mother. There isn't one way to be a parent, as long as you always put the children's safety and happiness first.

TVDU could have learned a thing about it. For a show that loved to randomly have a found family trope, it was also ready to throw it out the window the second biological family showed up. That's not how found families work, they are family through and through.

Also, and I cannot say this enough, not everyone needs to want to have children. Even women.

[rayghosts]

my s3 allison defense post is making rounds again and its making me want to complain about her writing in s4 because RRRRRRGGGGGGRRGGGHHH

like ok all of the characters were screwed over in s4. but what gets me is that there was SO MUCH POTENTIAL for a really interesting allison arc with everything they set up but DIDNT FOLLOW THROUGH WITH

theres the parallel between her and klaus because of both struggling with mental problems. the offhand comment to lila about how hard raising teenagers is and the fact claire is now a teen. her experiencing the hard work of living without her powers then relapsing into using them after the marigold brought them back. the fact ray walked out?? which would have been such an interesting thing to get into especially with her personality change post-s3 and what ray would have thought of that

AND THEN THEY NEVER DELVE INTO ANY OF THAT. ray never gets brought up again. claire does nothing the entire season except be a perfect little daughter whos super supportive of her mom (not even a shred of teenage rebellion at all??) allison's entire arc in s1-2 was learning not to rely on her powers anymore, and yet when she uses her (new boring) telekinesis to rip that guy's dick off it's treated as a feminist move and not anything to be concerned about?? and the ONE scene that gave the klaus&allison parallel any meaning (AA scene) was deleted from the final product. THEN WHAT WAS THE POINTTTTTTT

[they-breasted-boobily]

Ways the plot of tua s4 could have been improved while including a lot of the same storyline:

It goes without saying that a 6 episode season was too rushed for even the shitty plot we got given, but I'll mention that these ideas would have worked better for an 8-10 episode season. Or maybe you could use them for fics or comics- I'd love to see them!

1. The careers and new lives of non-powered umbrellas: While Lila, Klaus, and Viktor had decent set-ups, the others seemed out of place. Diego's personality and desire to be a hero would have been better suited to a mall cop or traffic cop, where he feels undervalued and underutilised, rather than just beaten down as a delivery driver for jokes about peeing in a bottle. Luther only mentioned Sloane a couple of times in the entire series- with more than 6 episodes, it could have been possible to give flashbacks of him trying to get back to her, but her not recognising him and not being romantically interested. Not sure what changes could be made to his job or housing though. Allison's setup was mostly fine, but we really should have been given an explanation for why Raymond left- maybe lean into the horror of being taken from your time and timeline raising a daughter you suddenly have? Five would not work for the CIA except as a double-agent, either that or he would be retired as a fishing supplies store owner. Ben is his own whole point later in this post.

2. The marigold sake shots: I feel like this plot point added to Ben just being an asshole and scapegoat for the entire season, which could benefit from major changes. If left relatively unchanged, the fact that Klaus threw it over his shoulder could have led to greater implications if it landed on an unknown person behind them and gave them powers. This person could have been the subject of an episode or two as they were tracked down when it was necessary.

3. Ben's character: While s3 Sparrow Ben was a dick, he was not as edgy, conceited, or self-absorbed as he was in s4. I think it's fine to start his arc with him leaving prison, but making the crime as major as crypto fraud (just because you think it's funny) makes it much more difficult for him to seem likeable and relateable to Jessica or anyone else. If the crime was something more minor, or he was framed/unfairly jailed it could set up a revenge/redemption arc from the get-go. With his relationship with Jessica, it would have benefited from being more of a slow burn, or if the gradual unnatural obsession had more than 6 episodes to build up.

4. The subway romance: While I can almost understand why it was Five and Lila due to their history working together and especially using time travel together, I think if Five needed a romance (which I don't but show writers can't stand having one member of the main cast never being in a relationship), it should have been someone he met while on that 7 year subway adventure (probably an older woman) and settled with in Strawberry Tradwife timeline while Lila keeps looking for a way out for the sake of her children. Lila would find the journal a few months later and using both it and the subway map, get back to Five because she still needs his powers to get entirely out of the subway system. Could you imagine a scene with Lila trying to convince Five to leave the peaceful Strawberry Tradwife life he's always wanted after dealing with the trauma of being stuck in time twice?

5. Klaus's return to addiction: I think Klaus's arc could have definitely benefited from the season being longer. If there was a slower burn towards his addiction returning and his confrontation with Claire and if she stressed more that he didn't need to go down this path again, it could have really been impactful. The ghost sex trafficking thing was gross but if that was the only way to get him buried alive then so be it, because having him in a situation where he would have to directly face his trauma from the mausoleum and become stronger would be so good for the sendoff of his character. Maybe that could have been the point where he learned how to levitate?

6. Reginald and false memories: Why was the fact that he's literally not human and crafted this timeline so he could have as much power as possible (including a militia town) not explored at all? The plot should have revolved a lot more around at least verifying what he was saying about marigold and durango, if not about handing him a final defeat for this final season. Everything around him killing Ben led to huge plot holes (why wouldn't Klaus know the truth from Ben's ghost? Ben easily could have been spared and only Jessica shot. Why was Jessica being in a squid never explained?). While it's interesting to see the Umbrellas all give a brainwashed explanation for Ben's death, it couldn't be something as blatant as that, because Klaus would have to know even if everyone else was brainwashed. The brainwashing is an idea with promise, but it should have been something like Ben and Jessica being consumed by the giant squid together because Ben went against orders.

What other things could have been changed? I personally liked the CIA subplot, especially as it taught Diego to appreciate his family more. I also found Jean and Gene and the Cleanse conspiracy theorists to be fun new mini-villains.

[riderofblackdragons]

You Loved Me, Once (or was it all a dream?)

Day 10: Blow To The Head | slurred words | passing out from pain | "I can't think straight"

Alright if I'm honest for a moment there it wasn't looking like I was going to be able to get this out. I genuinely thought I'd be combining day 10 with day 11, but surprise! Apparently I'm not! A few minutes after midnight, but that's ultimately nothing. And a return to An Original Mother, because I really enjoy that AU!

If anyone has any specific AU they want more of, send me an ask or something and I'll see what I can do :)

Hope you enjoy!

As long as she lived, Elijah didn't think she'd ever gotten used to cuddle piles. It wasn't something her family had ever really done, this ritual of piling onto each other and falling asleep, soothed by the mixing smells and the skin-to-skin contact. Honestly, she wished they had done it, when they were still alive. It was relaxing, and would have probably helped with the active child in her womb, back then.

It was a werewolf thing. The scents of their pack, their family, all mixing together in a solid reassurance that they were safe together. Vampires couldn't quite manage it, the scents and touches not mixing together in the same way. Elijah had thought that a shame, when she'd discovered it. She'd had tragically few cuddle piles with the entire pack after her marriage, the wolves scared of hurting the more fragile humans, but the one she'd had whilst pregnant had helped soothe her child immensely.

She'd introduced the tradition to her children, regardless of if they were a wolf or not. She certainly hadn't needed to be a wolf, or even a vampire, to enjoy them. Her magically-inclined children wouldn't need to be, either. And it definitely helped her wolf children to settle, on the nights they were more restless.

One of Elijah's fondest memories was with her father, and her daughter Nina, and Nina's wife and stepson. They'd all curled up into a cuddle pile, aside from Mikael, until his granddaughter had tugged him down to join them, to hold her whilst she fell asleep inside it. He'd gone along with it, but Elijah remembered how her daughter's stepson had kicked Elijah's father in the head at one point in his sleep, waking him up until he'd realised that only Elijah was awake.

But Mikael had adored being a grandfather, Elijah remembered. He'd been so careful with Nina, had made sure that she was completely healthy and comfortable in everything that she'd done. There had been some hesitance at first, of course. Elijah wasn't about to just forget her entire childhood, just because her father wanted to try being a grandfather.

He'd killed Elijah's husband's entire family.His son-in-law's family. Just because one of them had slept with Elijah's mother. Even if she could've forgiven the hell she and her siblings had gone through in their childhood, Elijah couldn't do the same for that. Centuries may pass, but she could never just forgive that.

Still, he was a good grandfather. Better than good, in fact. Nina adored him, and when she was younger, it wasn't uncommon to find her toddling after her grandfather, arms out, trying to get hugs from him. Mikael always gave them to her, too, even if he didn't immediately notice her. He'd swoop her up into his arms, and carry her around until she patted his arms to get down again.

Elijah didn't think she could remember him doing that with any of her siblings, ever. Maybe with Klaus, before Elijah had fully formed memories? But no, her memories went to before that, the shock (and jealousy, most likely, as a child she'd been very jealous of the affection her parents had dealt freely to her siblings) of it would've most likely cause any memory such as that to stay in her mind.

In the end, when Nina had died, Elijah could remember how Mikael had stayed by her side. It had been the only time he'd ever truly felt like a father to her, and not just a distant, terrifying prescence in her life. He hadn't cried, neither through the long days as Nina struggled to cling to life, nor through the funeral afterwards, but he'd held Elijah close during them as she had, her sobs racking through her body.

If Mikael hadn't been there to support her, Elijah had no doubt that she would've ended up on the floor with her grief. He'd left a week afterwards, disappearing in his own grief, leaving Elijah behind. The next time she saw him, he was chasing Elijah and her siblings down again. But the brief glimpse of sadness in his eyes when he looked at her didn't stop him from forcing Elijah and her siblings to flee anyways.

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[solar-halos]

i finished the umbrella academy s4. i am not amused. here are my thoughts (looong post incoming)

1. i don’t remember diego being so fucking annoying. actually that’s a lie he’s always been annoying but since he was hot i let it slide but now that he’s not treating lila right (how do u fumble a baddie THAT HARD) i think he should participate in the shut the fuck up challenge

2. “their uncle will pick them up” HUH? like obviously this timeline is different but you’re telling me lila has uncles (and parents! or someone! she was talking to some elderly couple before the party!). what does that mean for the others… were their mothers still killed in this timeline or did klaus live out his little amish dream, even if he wasn’t around to experience it? ykwim? like did they show up to this timeline and someone was like “omg where did u wander off to? i was looking all over for u!” and then it turns out it’s their sibling/uncle/whatever in that timeline and they just have to be like ah yes. i surely do know who u are

3. what they did to lila and diego was criminal!!! “she said she couldn’t get pregnant while breast feeding. but she could” dramatic ass reveal for no fucking reason. like get over yourself diego

4. ok i know they prob couldn’t get rays actor to come back but what the fuck do u mean he walked out. and how can allison afford that nice house when all she’s doing is being in commercials nobody wants. our girl has a BEAMER. also i thought they weren’t supposed to have phones or anything like that so why does allison have a vape lollll. not complaining bc that scene was funny to me but why and how

5. ughhh they were tryna set up lila and five SO BAD in the beginning. and even then they still gave off intense sibling vibes

6. ok maybe im just too american but the gun imagery was kinda not it for me. like idk i think the bit with santa claus coming out shooting at everything was supposed to be funny but idkk i think im just too sensitive bc i was like mkkk whatever not funny. also i know luther has super strength but even in s1 he still got majorly injured when that chandelier fell on him but now he’s fucking indestructible apparently?? like getting shot at and stuff?? what???

7. ok but that grandma loading her old timey gun while she turned to the siblings like O.O was funny i’ll give them that

8. speaking of guns wtf siblings are killing EVERYONE. like ik they started the apocalypse and everything but idek just the way they did it was so weird. like less detached/guilty and more like… triumphant? satisfied? idk but it had a different tone than even s3, i remember in s2 it was such an intense ordeal when allison made those two european brothers kill each other but this time they straight up mass murdered a bunch of ppl in a small town and were like B). like ok. like allsion mutilated that guy in front of her DAUGHTER and it was just chill. major tonal shift

9. “you just had to one up me” 1) you just killed a bunch of ppl diego!! 2) that is NOT the lila and diego i know. the real lila and diego would have started making out nasty style the moment lila killed that guy w her laser eyes. also wtf were the point of the laser eyes. she used them like twice and then that was it

10. with that being said all that affair stuff and recovery and addiction and relapse was getting so heavy. which ik is the point and the umbrella academy has always been heavy but like holy shit u GOTTA pick a struggle. is lila gonna groom five or is klaus gonna give claire trauma cos u can’t have both

11. speaking of claire… “would it help to remind u that we were just as shitty at her age” no u fucking weren’t. u could have breathed at ur british alien father wrong and he would have made u do drills until u puked. don’t play rn

12. why did they not trust the audience to pick up on the fact ben spiked their drinks. like we did not need a full on FLASHBACK. or like to be fully immersed in that scene, a tiny little flashback would have done

13. ok but why is this season so scary. like that train station made me paranoid

14. i will never forgive them for what they did to my girl lila. she used to serve CUNT

15. that british lady alien annoyed the fuck outta me

16. WHERE was pogo. and grace. they needed to find a way to bring them back. maybe they could have transported to a universe where the apocalypse happened and now the world was getting ruled by a planet of [gunshots]

17. why the fuck was diego acting like jennifer and ben weren’t linked in some way when all of s3 they alluded to the jennifer incident every other scene. i get it was supppsed to be so obvious even to someone who has ONLY watched s4 that jennifer and ben were linked so it was just a case of diego being stupid BUT that doesn’t work when it’s already been established that they all know jennifer played a part in ben’s death. hence calling it the Jennifer Incident

18. “they tried to address that in later scenes” they failed. they didn’t know how ben died, fine. but they knew jennifer had something to do w it. i’m tired of scenes that poke fun at diego for being stupid. he’s not stupid—he’s cocky

19. okay no but this season was SO gory. like. whatever they have guns this is a revolution but the guts? the intestines?? they wanted to be stranger things sooo bad

20. no but we need to talk about that. the monster thingie at the end was so stranger things and the guns and the military and everything it was like we were back in s3 (or whenever we met the russians)

21. LOL but that scene where diego finds out about five and lila was lowkey funny. this season was so meta in general

22. speaking of the holidays… i sure did love watching everyone sing christmas carols and walk around in the snow when it was hot asf in real time

23. i do like how many parallels there were to s1. like w viktor and reggie, it was very viktor and leonard in s1. and klaus getting kidnapped. although i was kinda tired of klaus getting abducted and his siblings not giving a fuck. i thought there was supposed to be growth there

24. okayyy but ben and jennifer were cute SORRY. “let’s get married” that would have worked on me. however being rude to me while i was at work WOULDNT have worked on me so maybe yall are right maybe we didn’t need a love interest this season

25. i did NOT expect them to actually drag out lila and five’s love story. other than the age gap (no matter how ur looking at it) you already knew it was gonna be bad as soon as they had their first kiss. i hate those multiple little open mouthed kisses that are literally just ALL lip and spit like that’s fucking gross if ur gonna stick ur tongue in my mouth u better do it by the third little :O we got going on there. and then five was giving boy. like literal boy. and lila is a literal goddess but a goddess that’s well into her 20s and the contrast was so sharp it rlly was giving mom and her caucasian child. i mean that bit about lila viewing it as survival vs five actually clinging onto it showed their different levels of maturity, but since it’s never specified if five is still a 50 year old man or just aging normally, his reaction rlly was such a teenage boy thing. “i’m gonna kill him” man shut the fuck up

26. ok no bc we need to talk about this. i think fives actor is my age—maybe even a little bit older—but i don’t see how anyone over the age of 18 is supposed to find him attractive. like idk it’s weird in the show but even creepier irl cos lila’s actor had to have known him when he was still a minor. why did anyone at the umbrella academy think we wanted this

27. anyway not to make this about myself but when i was writing the odesta longfic there were a lot of lore inconsistencies as we kept going bc i forgot some of the details and was too lazy to go back and read it sometimes, and i think that’s what happened this season. the most notable detail is when klaus covered his ears while everyone was shooting at each other. i was expecting some sort of vietnam flashback but like no. he was just there being normal about it, all things considered

28. “ex-squeeze me?” it wasn’t funny when klaus said it in s1. and it wasn’t funny here

29. alright i think that’s really all i wanted to say about the season tbh… like idk diego and lila starting a family made sense i guess and i know they were falling out of love (even tho they would never do that…) but i didn’t rlly feel any of the love w the kids. like even when lila stepped off the train at the last min and her daughter was banging at the glass it looked more like she was like “oh no :(“ and then just started poking at the glass. i don’t even think it matters that she didn’t fully know what was going on—if you’re a child and ur mom steps away in an unfamiliar situation, you’re gonna start to freak. especially w everything else that was going on

30. ok this is such a small thing to harp on but they abused the fuck outta that time skip font. like i don’t think they ever used it that much before now

31. now let’s get into the ending. this is how i would fix it:

we can keep jennifer. whatever. that thing they added at the very last second about her having a particle that causes the end of the world was… whatever. like i get it. they needed a way to explain the end of the world and that was the thing they used and even if it was very late to introduce such a (admittedly confusing) bombshell, at least it fits in with what we already know about this universe’s rules. magic and particles and marigold and whatever. jennifer is fine.

tbh when jennifer started feeling sick i was honestly thinking that they were gonna go the surprise pregnancy route even though they weren’t even fuckinf hinting at that i just have no media literacy. i wouldn’t have minded that tbh, like the monster transformation made more sense but imagine if we did a twilight ripoff for a second, except that jennifer and ben were both equally protective of the killer baby growing outside of jennifer’s womb (or in her womb… whatever. point is there’s a baby). i don’t think this is a good idea—if anything i think this is a shit idea. but something that’s always been so prominent in tua are the moral implications of what they’re doing, like with everyone wanting to kill harlan in s3 instead of letting the entire world die, and with everything that happened with viktor in s1. there was the whole “i can’t kill my brother” bit, sure, but everyone kinda didn’t rlly seem too enthusiastic about it.

actually the baby addition is actually a shit idea. i’m just keeping that part of the rant in bc we need SOME sort of moral dilemma that isn’t just viktor arguing w hargreeves and then his siblings dropping in later with opinions that don’t even seem that strong. everyone needs to have a strong opinion on SOME sort of moral issue that we wanna introduce—that, in a perfect world, we’d be building up to throughout the season—and then yeah whatever there can be an epic fight scene

i don’t watch/read a lot of time travel stuff, but from what i gathered, the timeline can never be restored once it’s fucked with. there has to be consequences, like with any story. and tua did address that—they tried restoring the timeline thousands of times—but i think they shot themselves in the foot there. time travel with a (somewhat) happy ending is possible—there just has to be something to lose, and it has to be something that isn’t nonnegotiable. claire was nonnegotiable, which is why i think they stayed in s3’s timeline for as long as they did

point is, i think they should have gone back to 2019. i mean i don’t think anyone really wanted them to die. i made a joke in s3’s rant that i would just give up, but lucky for me, i am not a fictional character in tua, so the fact they just die in the last five mins and we’re supposed to be ok w that makes the last three seasons pointless. like, actually pointless. what was the message here? why is the ending of the show painted as some sort of utopia just bc we got rid of the siblings? and why is five okay with that? i think him being on board w dying could have been an interesting route to take if they showed his relationship w his siblings consistently deteriorating (both on screen AND off screen) but they only rlly managed to do that with diego, and it was for something fucking stupid

ANYWAY. bring those fools back to 2019, but don’t make them totally happy. just give them something that makes them all just stay put, like how allison has claire (doesn’t matter which timeline. it could be from the fucked up timeline. i don’t think the cleanse would happen bc of that bc claire is only one person and not an entire fucking organization like tua or an assassination like jfk. so hell. might as well throw harlan and sissy in there for viktor. that makes lila and diego’s motivation really easy for staying put, cos then they have their kids. klaus is klaus and no offense to him but i think hes just gonna roll w the cards he’s dealt without trying to fight back, for better or for worse. then ben can have jennifer and since they love each other idk they just stick around. then five’s motivation for staying is that his family is alive and none of them want to leave and that’s good enough for him bc that’s why he time traveled in the first place

again… i don’t think what i came up with is any good. i just think it’s better than them all dying at the last fuckin second. i think this show relied on a lot of haha random xd humor at the beginning and they tried to keep that intact here but everything got so serious that i think them all dying rlly did seem like the only way out but.. it’s not. they could go back to the way things are as long as there were consequences. it would suck, and none of them would be as happy as they could be, but they know that’s as happy as they’re gonna get, so whatever. like, if we were gonna take the suicide route, we might as well gone the time loop route and gone back from the very beginning when five blinks back to 2019. i think that rly would have driven home the “this all would have happened anyway” point way better than them just being like guess ill die :) bc ughhh. no they wouldn’t. also they wouldn’t let lila leave bc she still had marigold in her but… what about her and diego’s kids?? they’re half marigold, and claire is a quarter, so… what’s up with that?

[dumbblondesposts]

Klaus did NOT die for hope

Klaus was stuck in a torturous loop of self loathing and self destruction

He had lost everything he had, was completely estranged from the only people he actually felt safe with, people that made him feel less lonely (his biggest fear)

Hayley's death sent him over the edge and he felt responsible for what happened, he had admitted to staying away from her for the simple fact he felt like he was failing her and hope, and fear he'll only hurt them more and he only realized staying away did more harm than good far too late

Had it been about hope he would've either 1) not have killed Elijah because that was pointless, he left hope an orphan and Elijah was the only perfect person to look after her and Klaus was more than okay with killing him proving he no longer really meant shit to him after his indirect role in killing Hayley (he was ready to die for him every other day in the previous seasons)

And 2) since he gave no fucks about Elijah he could've let him die alone and stay with his daughter who he admitted clearly needed him

Instead he hit two birds with one stone, he gave Elijah what he thought he deserved and he died to simply get out of the responsibility of actually caring for his daughter, he knew he had nothing to offer her especially without Hayley there to help him so he thought the only thing he might give her is his death

Till his very last breath he was running away from facing his fear of turning into Mikael and failing as a father

And Hayley who was the biggest part of parenthood for him was lost so he had ultimately nothing to stay for

[hyperactivewhore]

One of my biggest pet peeves is when people claim that it’s Marcel’s fault that Klaus was missing from Hope’s life. First of all, Klaus deserved everything he got after all the suffering and trauma he put Marcel through. Marcel is a saint compared to Klaus, who has done unspeakable things not only to Marcel but to thousands of others as well. If Marcel had kept Klaus locked up in a sewer until the world ended he would be more than justified.

Secondly, absolutely no one stopped Klaus from picking up his phone and calling his daughter. No one stopped him from sending birthday cards or Christmas gifts to his daughter. In fact, many people encouraged him to talk to Hope, including Hayley, Caroline, and Hope herself. He was the one who decided not to call Hope. He was the one who decided to cut off all contact with his daughter. He was the one who thought that the best course of action was to go no contact with Hope. But while he had no problem practically abandoning Hope (who was only a child at the time), he continued to seek out his brother knowing that being in close proximity to Elijah could hurt Hope.

So many people try to say Klaus wasn’t a bad father by blaming Marcel, Hayley, Hope, and everyone else in the entire show. But the reality is, Klaus was a bad father because of his actions alone.

And even to the every end of his life, he continued to be a bad father. He chose to flirt with Caroline when Hayley (Hope’s mother - practically Hope’s only parent) was missing and was in grave danger. He chose to spend his last remaining days showing Caroline around New Orleans as if he didn’t have a heartbroken, devastated daughter back at home who was grieving the loss of her mom and preparing for the loss of her dad. This man, who willingly chose not to contact his daughter for years, decided to spend his last remaining hours with his one night stand instead of Hope - and people have that audacity to say that it’s Marcel’s fault that Klaus was missing from Hope’s life?

Don’t get me wrong, I love Klaus. He’s a very interesting character. But I hate it when people justify his actions - especially because they will occasionally vilify Marcel to do so. Marcel and Hope deserved a better father. Marcel and Hope simply deserved better.

I'll never understand why people are surprised Klaus was a shitty father.

Loving your kids is the bare minimum and treating them right is like the least thing you can do, yet Klaus already failed miserably step two with Marcel. Klaus never respected Marcel as a person and let alone as his son, I don't care what people think. He liteally brought Marcel to that bridge in season three to remind him of his slavery, mocked his whip wounds, laid his hands on him in season one, and didn't even care to have a special goodbye with him when he was gonna die.

He literally told Hope she was meant to be broken by him, constantly jeopardized her safety when she was a baby, practically ghosted her most of her life, probably told Hope that Elijah didn't save Hayley, purposefully leaving out he was whoring around with Caroline, and was ignoring her the day he was gonna die choosing to spend his last hours with that same woman, and literally left Hope all in her own after losing her mother like the week before because he couldn't live without his brother.

Marcel had every single right to take revenge against the Mikaelson, and so does Hope. Their supposed family never gave any damn about them and yet people blame everyone but Klaus simply because they think Joseph Morgan is hot.

[auxiliarydetective]

AP-01: Project Apocalypse

ch. 00: Prologue

AP-01 Masterlist

This fic is part of the Academy Projects series, a full rewrite of The Umbrella Academy with the addition of an original character, Kassandra Hargreeves. Throughout the story, you'll stumble across a few songs. This is supposed to make the fic feel as much like the show as possible, so I recommend you don't skip them.

Warnings: Canon-typical issues, death, drugs

On the 12th hour of the first day of October 1989, 43 women around the world gave birth. This was unusual only in the fact that none of these women had been pregnant when the day first began. Sir Reginald Hargreeves, eccentric billionaire and adventurer, resolved to locate and adopt as many of the children as possible.

He got eight of them.

These eight children, numbered and ordered, had grown up together at the Umbrella Academy, stuck in a time capsule as their Number 4 would later say, with no friends outside those walls and little space for themselves despite the sheer size of the house. You would think that such an experience would bond the children together. Make them virtually inseparable. But fate had other plans. Tragedy struck the family, not once but twice, and the second time was the match that finally hit the powder barrel after dozens had been tossed. One by one, each of the siblings left, and over the next decade, they all lost contact.

Well, not all of them. One of them still knew where everyone was. What they did, who they were… or who they remembered them as. Number Eight, the one at the bottom of the list, also known as Kassandra Hargreeves. She had been among the first to leave and now worked as a librarian, but she still tried to keep an eye on her siblings. For old times’ sake, she told anyone who asked.

Number Seven, Vanya Hargreeves, had stuck to her passion for the violin, and had taken up teaching the instrument to other people. She also played third chair in a local orchestra and, perhaps most notoriously, had written a tell-all biography about her life at the Academy, one that none of her siblings had taken very well.

Number Four, Klaus Hargreeves, was still a drug addict. Had been since he was young and maybe he always would be. Kassandra knew because she had had to collect him from the police station, the hospital or jail a few times. After all, she was still his emergency contact, since he couldn’t find himself a new one. Still, the two of them didn’t really talk, for reasons they wouldn’t tell the other.

Number Three, Allison Hargreeves, the superstar. An incredibly famous actress, she now had everything she had dreamed of as a girl… except for a stable family, according to various gossip magazines and newspapers. After a messy divorce from her husband, poor Allison had lost custody of her daughter, Claire. That couldn’t have gone well for her, Kassandra knew. She had planned on calling Allison after the divorce, but had only reached the answer machine.

Number Two, Diego Hargreeves, hadn’t changed his ways at all. He was a vigilante now, still brave, with a firm sense of justice - and a troublemaker for the police. Originally, Kassandra had been the one the police would call on in case something went wrong, but Diego had erased her as his emergency contact only a month or two in.

And finally, Number One, Luther Hargreeves. Luther was in space, that was all Kassandra knew. One last mission from dad.

As for Number Five and Number Six… Kassandra tried not to think about them, and every day, she failed.

In over 13 years, the Hargreeves siblings hadn’t been in the same room or even the same building together. Whether they were avoiding each other or just drifting apart was unimportant, what mattered was the distance. But all of that was about to change.

On the 21st of March, Sir Reginald Hargreeves suddenly died. The news of his death travelled around the world, across every tv screen and radio station, by word of mouth or rumors. Inevitably, it also had to reach the siblings and reel them in. In an ironic mirror image of the way things usually went, Kassandra learned of her father’s death last.

It was close to midnight and Kassandra was still at work, finally having finished sorting the new books. The library had been closed since 9pm, but the new books had come in late and they needed to be sorted before 9am the next day, which was opening time. Well, technically, they didn’t necessarily need to be sorted, but tomorrow was Friday, a busy day, and also one with few experienced workers there. Bad combinations, really. Sorting could take hours if you didn’t know what you were doing, so Kassandra had volunteered to stay and finish the job. In the end, she hadn’t had to do it on her own though.

“Alright, Timmy, are you ready to go?” Kassandra called as she put on her coat.

“Coming!”

Timothy Carmichael, one of her coworkers. A nice man, a bit boyish though, and not the good kind. Still, he was good company, especially on those late nights. As Kassandra waited for him to emerge from the rows of shelves, she moved to turn off the radio still playing in the break room. But then, the news came on and she paused.

“The world mourns the death of eccentric billionaire Sir Reginald Hargreeves, a known adventurer and philanthropist.”

Kassandra froze in place, her eyes turning glossy and her hand gloved hand moving on its own to turn the volume up.

“The news of his death were made public just an hour ago by a speaker of the Umbrella Academy. As of now, the cause of death is still unclear, but evidence points towards a heart attack, says the speaker. Sir Reginald Hargreeves leaves behind a large fortune, multiple companies and properties, as well as five children that–”

With an almost violent swiftness, Kassandra shut the radio off, her fingers hovering over the button afterwards. She pulled her hand back and rolled her shoulders, taking a deep breath. All the while, her expression remained controlled, though her eyes were somber.

“I’m sorry,” she could hear Timmy saying next to her.

“They got it wrong,” Kassandra just said. “Even after that book, they still get it wrong.”

Timothy blinked a few times, and Kassandra could’ve heard the gears in his head turning if she had been paying attention. But she was too busy listening to her own inner voice.

“Get what wrong?” Timmy finally asked.

“The number. There’s six of us left, not five. Poor Vanya…”

“You’re not… upset about your father at all?”

Kassandra sighed and tugged at her thin satin gloves, making sure they were snug on her fingers. “I don’t know. I just… didn’t think the man could die.”

Timmy was kind enough to drive Kassandra home, allowing her to make it home at a somewhat reasonable hour. As she turned the keys, her mind was still lingering on that news report, the jingling of metal taking her back to her younger years. She tried to ignore it, she really did, but her mind kept telling her that there was something wrong, striking her with guilt over and over.

At 1:30am, against her better judgement, Kassandra made a phone call.

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[kasagia]

hi can you make headcanons about dating klaus mikaelson x fem reader

Dating Klaus Mikaelson would include:

let's start with the fact that before you became Klaus' girlfriend, you were subjected to thousands of different trials,

this man has thousands of enemies, trust issues, and a family he protects above all else. Of course, he will first test your faithfulness and perseverance,

he will also know your past better than his own,

seriously, he'll remember EVERYTHING,

your birthday, the day you started crawling and riding your bike, the first day of school, your first boyfriend, your first kiss, your first time, the names of your school friends, and the names of the mean people who teased you (by the way, he makes sure they learn a lesson),

Kol and Rebekah call him a freak,

but he only wants to make sure you're not a danger to THE FAMILY,

and, in the process, learn about all of your interests in order to gain extra points when he starts trying to get you (but no one needs to know about it),

and when you finally prove your intentions are good and you have no connection with his enemies? Oh girl!

after a long (but not too long - Klaus' patience has its limits, and he used most of it anyway to thoroughly x-ray you) romantic and well-thought-out courting process, you finally become his girlfriend,

which means a lot of cute, little gifts (he learned after he gave you a fucking diamond tiara not to buy you ridiculously expensive gifts),

a lot of hugs and kisses (this man is hungry for touch and tenderness, and you don't have the heart or the desire to say no to him),

if you couldn't get rid of him before, be ready for that he now practically LIVES with you,

he wants to spend all his time with you (and his daughter ofc),

on bad days even comes to your work/school,

he tries everything to get you to finally agree to move in with him (dating and harassing you in your work/school aren't enough now),

but you don't see the need. He wakes up anyway and goes to sleep next to you, in your apartment or his house,

Klaus disagrees,

he presents you with all the amazing advantages over the minor disadvantages that can be "easily corrected",

on the end of his presentation he tells you that he has already been stealing some of your stuff for a month now and putting it in his house,

you noticed this ages ago, but you let him continue his chatter about how great it would be to live with him and his siblings,

you agree after his very long persuading you in your bedroom 😏,

you've never seen him happier (and more disheveled) before,

when you move, you officially become part of the family,

each of his siblings wants to get to know you better,

which annoys Klaus,

he was supposed to spend more time with you and now he has to share you with his family,

don't get me wrong, he loves how well you get along with them, but from time to time, for example: when you're in the middle of a conversation with his little brother, he'll throw you over his shoulder and "take you to his cave" for a session of hugs, kisses (and maybe some more if you're in the mood),

he's ridiculously jealous of you,

some guy/woman/child/dog looked at you for too long?

your boyfriend will make sure to keep you closer to him, give you a long, passionate, possessive kiss, and glare darkly at your potential suitor,

most of the time, you roll your eyes and ignore his behavior (after so many months with a hybrid, you know it's better to choose your battles rather than start an argument about everything),

as long as it doesn't come to blows, you can accept his little outbursts of jealousy,

sometimes you make him jealous on purpose to get on his nerves (expecting to lock yourself in his room for a few hours in the near future),

your anniversaries and birthdays are a fucking national holiday,

not joking,

on the streets of New Orleans, people have fun from morning till night,

his minions have the day off right after they help him arrange the world's most perfect date,

you are treated like a queen, his queen,

and he will always be proud of you,

his strong, beloved woman who bravely stands by his side no matter what,

he also admires the hard work you put into your future career,

he is your number one fan and will do anything (you let him) to help you achieve your dreams,

you are equal partners who support each other,

he asks for your opinion about his plans and takes it into account,

to everyone's surprise,

you inhibit his murderous tendencies, he is more composed in your presence,

Elijah is sure that you are his brother's savior, someone for whom he will become the best version of himself,

you think, you're just occupying his time so he doesn't run around like a cat on catnip looking for trouble,

but the truth is, Klaus is madly in love with you and will not let anyone or anything stand in the way of your happiness. (So he reduces the chance of getting new enemies),

so when the two of you have an argument, the guy does his best to appease you by the end of the day, so he could hold you in his arms in the sleeping… right after he throws around a few vases and bottles of bourbon on the walls (the last one happens to Kol's great dismay) - let's be honest, Klaus still have his impetuous temper,

talking about sleeping, get used to being a little spoon or a teddy bear for a hybrid,

sometimes the poor boy has nightmares about Mikael. Then you are the big spoon, and you try to calm him down by stroking his curls tenderly, showering kisses on his face, and whispering comforting, soothing words. Kol bumped into you in this position once and started making fun of your older brother. Let's just say he narrowly dodged a flying dagger. And uniquely, it wasn't Klaus who threw it at him. Nobody messes with your boyfriend like this on your shift,

that was the moment Klaus knew you would be his wife,

the next day his sisters and daughter helped him choose a ring.

[andreal831]

Do you consider that during the period that Hayley was married, Jackson was a stepfather? I don't know, I don't see him like that, in my vision he always tried to turn Hayley against the Mikaelsons, sometimes I see it like that because I'm not a big fan of Jackson when it comes to them, so He was just a man whom Hayley got married to save her daughter

And what do you think it would be like if Hayley, Hope and Elijah had left when she said she wanted to build a life with them? Do you think Elijah would take on a fatherly role? Did I ask, making sense of my doubts?

To me he was a stepfather but not a father, if that makes sense. Which is funny because people always get mad at him for trying to "take Klaus' place."

I will preface this by saying most of my opinions on this come from the lack of development the writers gave Jackson as well as the fact that the writers didn't want baby Hope, they just wanted teen/adult Hope.

When people get mad at me for how I view Jackson, they usually bring up quotes from the show but struggle to actually point to moments where Jackson is exhibiting those traits. Jackson is a classic mistake in writing of "show don't tell." Instead of showing us that he's a good father to Hope, they tell us and we are supposed to just take the character's word for it. The show essentially left a lot of their relationship up to our imaginations and I just never made headcanons with Jackson so it fell flat. But to me, he cared more about marrying Hayley than being a father to Hope.

Again, part of this is due to the fact that we hardly see anyone in season 3 interact with Hope. I get that it's hard to have a baby on set, but when you launch a whole spinoff around a magical baby, it helps to have a baby. I definitely think Jackson loves Hope, but not necessarily as his own. I feel like he held the Mikaelsons against her a little bit. If he and Hayley would have (could have) had their own kid, they definitely always would have fought over Jackson saying "our kids" versus "your kid." I also think that if Hayley would have been willing to leave Hope with Klaus and start a family with Jackson, I don't think he would have been upset by that. Anything to get away from the Mikaelsons.

I don't blame Jackson for not wanting to associate with the Mikaelsons after Klaus cursed them all. Although, ironically he was the one making side deals with Klaus in season 1 and 2. However, he had no right to give Hayley an ultimatum, especially where Hope is concerned. Of course, if you love someone, you don't want them to be around toxic people. But you don't get to make that decision for anyone else. People have to be allowed to make their own decisions. You can only set boundaries for yourself, and he does. He gives her an ultimatum and when she picks the option he doesn't like, he leaves. This is where I have a hard time with him as a father. It reminds me of Ginny and Georgia (*spoilers*) when Paul finds out the truth about Georgia and he initially leaves but then he can't stay away because he loves the kids so much. It takes him less than 24 hours to decide to help Georgia to protect the kids. (*end of G&G spoilers*) Jackson leaves and doesn't even reach out to Hayley for an entire month while he knows they have enemies in town. Yes, he had every right to do that, but I can't help but hold that against him as a father and husband. Just like I hold Klaus not reaching out to Hayley while he has to stay away with the Hollow against Klaus. We can headcanon that Mary is updating him but again, the show doesn't bother telling us anything.

I personally hate the scene when Jackson walks out. I know he is mad that she went to help the Mikaelsons, but Rebekah was actively kidnapped and drowning at the bottom of the ocean. He then makes her feel guilty because he had to put Hope down and she cried for a long time. A husband/father shouldn't make his wife feel guilty because he had to put the baby down. And, a husband should never make a mother feel guilty that her baby was crying. That detail was unnecessary. Yes, he was mad at her reasoning and mad that he made Thanksgiving dinner and she missed it, but there was other ways to say it. He weaponized Hope against her. It just made him sound like he resented having to play stay-at-home father, but what else was he doing? Neither of them worked.

I also think Jackson had this idealized idea of what his life with 'Andrea' was going to look like and it didn't include a magical child she had with another man. Even when she was living with the bayou, she didn't feel supported by him. She tells Eve that she's on her own with the baby. He does build her a crib but then after she 'looses' the baby, he doesn't even reach out. Compare this to Cami who is in tears, running to Klaus when she heard to see if it was true. Also, compare the reactions to Cami meeting Hope and Jackson meeting her. The writers are also a bit sexist and focused more on building Cami up as a stepmother and didn't focus too much on Jackson as a stepfather.

I don't like to always compare Jackson and Elijah because I don't think it is super helpful to the discussion. We should be able to analyze one without the other. However, since you asked, I do think Elijah plays more a parental figure to Hope. He also has the advantage of being biologically related to Hope. No matter what was going on between him and Hayley, he was always going to be in Hope's life.

Although, I do think that it wouldn't have mattered to Elijah if Hayley had a baby with someone else. I think he still would have taken on a parental role because he loves to be a parent. We know from the past that he was willing to be with Tatia and be a father to her child, so I don't see a difference with Hope.

I don't think Elijah would have ever left town without Klaus to start a life with just Hope and Hayley. The only way he would is if there was no way to protect Hope and Hayley while saving Klaus. Even then, he would go back for Klaus. Elijah was always very careful to not overstep his role with Hope. He knew Klaus' fears and also knew how Klaus tended to behave when he felt insecure. For everyone's sake, Elijah would keep a respectable distance as an uncle. Although, Elijah always just kind of acts as the parental figure of the group, so that wouldn't change too much. I can definitely see him taking on the more strict disciplinarian role while Klaus just spoils Hope.

Thanks for the ask! I hope I answered it all <3

[hakidra]

Roxy and Morgana, a retake:

Ok... I don't know you all but for me, Roxy being Morgana's daughter feels so... weird?? Like Morgana was imprisoned centuries ago but she somehow went 16 years ago, had fun with klaus, gave birth to a daughter and then disappeared again?? It always bothered me. She could have maybe temporarily escape and got distracted by klaus but I don't really like that idea

A quick solution I came with could be that instead of being Morgana's daughter, Roxy could be her descendant (Basically her great great great, you get the deal), Morgana could have had a daughter that eventually fled to the human world after the whole Tir Nan Og tragedy and settled with humans, having the magic dormant in the family for generations until it finally popped up again when Roxy came into the picture. (Or maybe it could have popped up before but Roxy doesn't really know much from her mother's family anyways....)

Feeling all that power deep inside this girl, Morgana could contact her and start the whole reviving Tir Nan Og and freeing the earth fairies ordeal. And in contrast the wizards could also start sensing this magic again and give chase.

(We won't talk about bloom right now, probably will talk about it in a season 4 rewrite ideas post later)

But going back to Roxy, this could lead to maybe her being interested in her background, after all "Who was her mother?" Plus all the Morgana dreams contacting her... maybe she could think Morgana is her mom, or an ancestor guiding her.

Plus it would mark much more the difference between roxy and Morgana. Roxy is the mix between a fairy and a human (mostly all human now since her fairy ancestor is from generations ago) so she could feel conflicted that she doesn't understand the way of thinking of her magic people, morgana on the other hand, could maybe see her own daughter in Roxy, which is why she's so desperate for her to join, in a way wanting Roxy to be her "daughter", maybe telling her something like "This is what a fairy should do (name for Morgana's daughter)" and Roxy telling her "I'm not her! I'm Roxy"

A conflict that could occur is that Morgana doesn't exactly care about Roxy as an individual, but more in the fact that she sees her as her late daughter, wanting her to be her. Basically a replacement, which is sad but well... We can have more evil fairies >:)

Morgana intruding in Roxy's mind could even be more scary, since she would always be telling her stuff, wanting to control her, to make her join her. She would want Roxy in her possession, whether she wants it or not.

Picture as scenes like this, with Morgana being angry, telling roxy to stop helping the winx, wanting to control her but Roxy always managing to stop it via herself or the winx giving her a hand.

After all, even tho Morgana is cold, she has a soft spot for Roxy, as she would clearly tell her fairies to not hurt her. She wants to have Roxy by her side so she could (in a way) have her daughter again. But this time... have her do what she wants.

In conclusion to summarise:

• Roxy is Morgana's descendant and she is being contacted by her after the fairy queen noticed her huge power inside.

• Morgana had a daughter named (in process so no name), who fled to the human world after a fight with her mother.

Thanks to this, she survived the Tir Nan Og catastrophe and managed to live on, her descendants carrying her legacy until the recent era, aka: Roxy.

• Morgana doesn't take Roxy into account really, sometimes calling her by her late daughter name, and wanting her to act like she says, this would be very clear after Roxy frees the earth fairies. Having Morgana invading her mind much more often, telling her to join her side and to help her "real people".

• Roxy looks the same as always but in this retake, the earth fairies would have a different physical appearance to look more "magical" like having pointy ears similar to elfs and looking a little different so they can have some differences with humans but still share other things. (Imagine them with ears like tinkerbell)

This would mark more the divide between Roxy and Morgana.

• Earth fairies are no saints, this would be better explained in other posts.

This could be considered an idea dump about some ideas I have for a season 4 rewrite.

[occulthours]

Random thought because one of my mutuals put them on my dash:

A lot of things about Haya being erased pissed me off, but the biggest thing is the fact that they gave their entire storyline to Josie in season 3.

According to DRR the writers told her that Hope needed to “take a step back to let other characters shine” so they had her off at Mystic Falls High at the beginning of the season away from the rest of the main cast. Hope was likely supposed to be there for at least the first half of the season, have a romantic relationship with Maya (and Ethan but we don't care about his boring ass), and get a chance at a normal high school life after her traumatic experience in Malivore.

Instead they cut that storyline short because they wanted to focus on Dark Josie and Kai, a plot that didn’t involve Hope in the slightest? There was no reason whatsoever to cut Hope's storyline at MFH and send her back to the SBS. Landon dumping Josie for Hope was played as one of the conflicts that pushed Josie farther down her dark path, but I feel like they didn't need Hope/H@ndon back in the picture so quickly to do that.

Otherwise, Hope spent the rest of season saving the other characters, from situations they could've solved without her interference. Aside from going inside of Josie’s head and giving her words of encouragement, which was at the very end of the season, Hope did nothing of importance in s2 at the SBS to warrant trashing a potentially interesting storyline for her that could’ve added to her character development outside of being the tribrid or being Klaus daughter.

Then, the very next season they basically copy and paste that storyline for Josie. Hope/Josie goes through something dark and traumatic (Being trapped in Malivore/Being manipulated by Clarke) —> Hope/Josie decides to go to MFH as an attempt to get a change of scenery and heal —> Hope/Josie meets a brown, dark haired lesbian wolf (I’m pretty sure it was teased by the actress that played Maya that Maya would find out that she’s a wolf) on her first day there and romance sparks —> Hope/Josie starts up a friendship with Ethan —> Hope/Josie is encouraged to do more human high school things by Maya/Finch and Ethan.

Then to run salt in the wound, they said that Maya had a crush on Josie?? Their one and only interaction was Maya beating her ass, which was followed by her later crying in Hopes arms because Josie ruined Maya’s brother’s chances at winning a college scholarship by breaking his hand. That one off line just felt like one of Brett’s many attempts to erase Hopes bisexuality for the sake of H@ndon.

Repurposing Hopes storyline to give to another character that previously had the biggest storyline of the season only to have Hope be pretty much stagnant for 2 seasons straight was ridiculous and a major sabotage to Hopes character.

[galvanizedfriend]

what do you think about the baby plotlines? about hope and the twins? do you think they ruined any chance of klaroline being together? or do you think kc could have been together for real and had a good relationship if the babies didn't exist?

This might seem surprising since I have written over a million words of baby fic (although I will argue that it's not a baby fic, it's a fic that contains a baby, which is very different 😌), but I hate the baby plot. I'm a clown. 🤡

It's not about Hope or the twins in particular, nothing against them, I just think that suddenly including magical babies in a supernatural story about vampires is just about the stupidest thing you can do. Vampires are not supposed to have babies, period. I remember watching the backdoor pilot episode of The Originals not having the slightest clue what to expect because I wasn't in fandom back then, or even following anything about TVD, just watched the episodes as they came out, and the moment they revealed The Originals' move to New Orleans was about a baby, I turned off my TV. Whoever thought that giving Klaus A BABY was the best thing they could do for him, is an idiot that should've been fired on spot.

If they wanted to explore the whole father-child situation, drawing from Klaus' immense well of daddy issues, they could've used Marcel. It would've been so much more powerful and so much more interesting. The thought that Klaus, out of all the Originals, would just decide to embrace fatherhood after getting a one-night stand he didn't even like accidentally pregnant makes NO SENSE AT ALL. This is the man who stabbed his siblings and carried them around in coffins as a love language. And people want me to believe that this violence-first, emotionally constipated hybrid would want to raise a child. Sure.

As for Caroline's pregnancy - I guess once you have established that Klaus could make magical babies, then anything was possible. The excuse they used that Candice was pregnant was so dumb though. So many movies and shows have been shot while the actresses were heavily pregnant, but their characters weren't. Catherine Zeta Jones was six or seven months pregnant in Chicago. Everyone in Grey's Anatomy had babies. Ellen Pompeo had three onscreen babies but none of them were written to match her real life pregnancies. In fact, Candice had to wear a prosthetic belly because she wasn't pregnant ENOUGH. So stupid.

HAVING SAID THAT. I don't think the babies were the reason why Klaroline didn't happen. At the end of the day, it wouldn't have been something that would've kept them apart if the writers had wanted to go there. If anything, babies could've brought them closer. I mean, Klaus should've been completely inept when it comes to taking care of another human being who's entirely dependent upon him. Caroline, as a carer at heart, could've seamlessly fit into the narrative. And especially after they gave her babies as well, they could've easily connected through their snowflake kids.

In fact, my personal headcanon (somewhat backed by real canon) is that they did. Klaus gave her money for her school, and while I don't think he did it so he could send Hope there later on as Legacies tried to make us believe, I do think the reason he ended up allowing Hope to attend the school was BECAUSE Caroline was there. He trusted her with his daughter, in a way he probably wouldn't have trusted anyone else, particularly because he was absent. He needed to know she would be safe and in good hands, and that was definitely not because of Alaric. And I also think they kept in touch during all those years where Hope went to school there and he went on a murder bend around Europe. Hayley couldn't get a hold of him, but Rebekah IMMEDIATELY knew who she could reach out to to find him. If Caroline hadn't seen or spoken to him in 15 years, that would make no sense. The way Klaus is all 'Trying not to flatter myself that you're here on a sudden whim to see me' implies more intimacy than two people who hadn't spoken in over a decade would've had. They were definitely in touch. How much touching was involved is up to your imagination. :)

One thing I wish Legacies had explored was Caroline's relationship with Hope. They obviously had one, we were just never shown it, which is sad, because there were so many interesting layers that could've been explored. It's also in my personal headcanon that Lizzie would've been fascinated with Klaus had him and Caroline ever had a chance to be together and he got to hang around her kids as well, and the irony that her middle name is Jenna is just delicious (Klaus wouldn't have felt the slightest bit of remorse). It would've given Alaric so much grief.

In conclusion, Klaroline could've been together with or without the babies. They weren't what was standing between them. Stupid writing was.