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#deltarune#undertale#crossover#crossover comic#utdr#twin runes#twin runes comic#my art#kris dreemurr#frisk#chara#ralsei#susie deltarune#ah... the age-old debate about what trait the red soul represents#is it determination?#ball game?#or something entirely else?#we will find out probably never#also hey!#look at all those fallen humans#told you I had designs for them#clover is here too!
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#hatsune miku#the age-old debate...#i'm of the opinion that it really depends on what version the design is from and who the artist is#i found this one official box art piece for her v3 english release where she has turqoise-ish hair with lime green highlights#and it looks so cool ik the green is a stylistic choice but it's so cooollll
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What if…. Cassandra Cain in Gerard Ways Batman series…. What if???
anyway she is just as much a weirdo as Bruce. Doesn’t have his future sight but does have the sixth sense while retaining her ability to read ppls body language. Idk she finds him wild and adopts some of his bat like mannerisms Bc I find it funny if Dick is still the only “normal” person. They eat rats together and sleep upside down like god intended
since the inside of Batman’s cape is supposed to have drawings and such inside along w symbolisms, I wanted to play with that for her. I personally view class’s story to be one of breaking free of predetermined destiny I included the broken chains to represent that stage. The stitching to show she is mending herself from her previous life and mistakes. She is making herself into something she wants now that she’s no longer under constraints. It’s messy and haggard but it’s hers and she’s building it with her own hands. I figured the details within her cape would become more elaborate the longer she wears the suit has the time to experience the world. For now she has two eyes as she’s always watching and learning. Nothing can be hidden from her gaze
#batman#batgirl#cassandra cain#bruce wayne#dc comics#Kingdom of the mad#gerard way#awzominator art#Debating on how old she’s be tbh#His joker is like 19 and Dick is like 21?#The others ages aren’t specified but I’m assuming their all Similar to the usual#Time shall tell
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high time we settled this (also, feel free to put your nationality in the tags!)
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YAYYY WOOO first actual relationship in the clan!!! Followed by pain and suffering and death. sorry to all of the Sweet Creature fans, she was barely there for ONE moon. ALSO im crying shaking over Thunderpaw's death. CRYING. Also Bigdawn is the starclan guide, i wanted to draw her
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#i have Lore for thunderpaws death soon. so sad#and i haven't 100% decided on how sweet creature died#debating on hypothermia bc its leafbare or maybe just. old age. idk. game didnt give a reason so for now we may never know. until i decide#oh and the game tried to name jayberry “jayfeather” and i was like... welll not doing that bc canon jayfeather and itd be very confusing#cricketart#cricketclan#clangen#clan generator#warrior cats#art#olivebite#sundapple#alderstar#cloverbird#silverpaw#silverflow#stoatpaw#stoatdream#jaypaw#jayberry#sweet creature#oakpaw#comfreypaw#applepaw#thunderpaw#bigdawn#tw death#death tw#tw cat death
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Okay because generally I’ve been seeing a lot of fighting a weirdness I wanted to talk about this for a second
Hobie Brown is not an adult
Please stop being weird about him!!
More explanations under the cut
I’ve been complaining about this a lot and for people that don’t understand this situation essentially in an interview one of the directors said that an early concept of Hobie design was that he was supposed to be like the cooler older kid and as the example used for this he stated the ages 19/20
Because of this many people took it as still being canon which has led to a large bit of debate in the community between people about his age
The people who have taken this reference to the early concept as canon have started bashing people who ship Hobie with others in the group (mainly Miles and Pav which is important and which I will come back to later) as well as used this as an excuse to sexualize Hobie because hes an adult
A barely legal one which even if this was true is its own separate issue
However the issue with this specific take is that its wrong
For a variety of reasons
1) For starters people say that since the director said he was 19/20 it must be true however another director/creator of the film has stated that Hobies age is up for interpretation meaning he doesn’t have a specific set age
However, it is very clear based off of everything else that Hobie was still meant to be in the teenager range in terms of age
For starters the actual movie
Throughout the first half of the movie Hobie is referred to a couple times by both Gwen and Pav and later Miles
Every time he is talked about in this context it is always with the undertoned implication of him and Gwen supposedly having a romantic relationship with both Pav and Gwen treating it as a sort of thing that could potentially cause friction or other issues in regards to Miles and Gwens relationship
If Hobie really were 19/20 this would be, cannot stress this enough, incredibly weird and creepy on the writers part
Unlike Hobie Gwen does have a confirmed age and she IS a minor and the movie imply that she had a relationship with Hobie whether she actual did or not and treating it as a joke would be weird and out of place if he was an adult
Not to mention that a lot of people referred to Gwen, Hobie and Miles dynamic as a love triangle which again weird and gross and uncalled for if Hobie was an adult
2) The art books both in the english and Japanese translation refer to Hobie in a way that either implies hes a kid or outright uses terms that mean hes a child
In the English translation of the book Hobie is referred to as the cool slightly older boy the girls want to date
Meanwhile the Japanese translation literally spells it out
3) I’ve heard a variety of different deflect in regards to all the above mentioned stuff
“Hobie doesn’t look like a kid” people age differently. I’ve met kids in high school who were the same age as or younger than me with full ass beards and mustaches as well as people who are well into there 20 who look like they’re still 15 he simply just has a structured face
“He was bit at 16 in the comics and said he was spider-man for 3 years in the movie” We aren’t in the comics universe though and in this iteration Miles was bit at like 13 and Gwen at like 14 meaning that in actuality the kids are usually bitten really damn early and the actual facts are that we don’t know how old he was when he was bitten and since we very clearly aren’t in the comic universe as these movies are significantly different from the comics you can’t just go off of that
“Just because it was a concept doesn’t mean it was changed it could still have been kept” While it is true that yes sometimes things from first draft concepts are kept a lot of times they aren’t such as Hobies best friend Pavitr who was supposed to be 13 in his concept but very clearly isn’t in the movie (I don’t actually have solid evidence for that claim I just think it would be weird that they make comments about Pavs body and show him shirtless if he was still 13 in the final-) both Pav and Hobie had a shit ton of changes done to them alongside basically all of the main 4 (Hobie, Pavitr, Gwen and Miles), except for maybe Miles but he was already an established character, so using his concept as hard and fast evidence when he very clearly was changed a lot and everything else points toward him being a kid just doesn’t work
“He mentions going to a pub so he has to be at least 21” first Hobie is British and the legal age in Britain is 18 also you don’t have to be of legal drinking age to go into a pub you just have to be old enough to actual order drinks which doesn’t even account for the fact that this is also Hobie we’re talking about who would not give the slightest fucks about the legal drinking age “But they show him with a beer in his montage and they wouldn’t encourage that in an underage character” Hobies montage is so fast paced and colorful that I genuinely don’t even know if thats true because you can barely comprehend the stuff that happens in that scene the first time you see it and not to mention that he also flips off the cops in that montage so I don’t really think they were too concerned about encouraging certain behaviors or not since half of Hobies speech in that scene was about overthrowing governments saying ACAB
So in conclusion
Hobie doesn’t have a confirmed age but based off off all the information we are given he is probably actually closer to 16/17 as his age
Now as a side tangent something else I want to address is the inherent homophobia and racism undertones that came with the initial spreading of his false age
Because when people initially heard that age they’re first instinct wasn’t to jump at the actual movie for imply a ship with Hobie and Gwen or even on the people make jokes about but was instead to jump on the people shipping Hobie with Pav and Miles
Both other male characters who are also characters of color
Odd that the first though was the (honestly at that time) relatively new and unpopular gay poc ships (Yes I know the ships are more popular now they had BARELY any content at the time of the interview)
Like genuinely the absolute giddy JOY I saw some people have at the idea that people who were minding their own business would have had a ship they liked ruined for them was insane and still is to me
#Imma be honest I'm fairly confident that age estimate is right and its gonna be really awkward if the next movie fucks me by saying hes old#spider-man across the spider-verse#ATSV#hobie brown#pavitr prabhakar#miles morales#gwen stacy#punkflower#chaipunk#this debate gives me a headache and I hate it
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💖 for any asoiaf pair??
I was rotating ships in my head but you know what let's talk about JB. This is a headcanon that has been brewing for a long time at the back of my mind but only recently consolidated in a clear mental image like... you know how my ideal happy ending for JB is that they ride into the sunset to be traveling knights together, righting wrongs and enjoying freedom, BUT even in this rose tinted scenario I can't bring myself to believe Jaime will ever recover his fighting ability with his non dominant hand. He can probably get to "competent" or even "good", but I have trouble imagining him just transferring a lifetime of training and muscle memory from one side of the body to the other 1:1. So what he actually does is he becomes Brienne's coach (her master at arms if we want to use an in-world term and tbh I can see this happen to an extent even within the book's timeline) and he THRIVES. Even picks up Pod for his class he finds so much purpose in this shit. Meanwhile Brienne ups her already considerable game to unprecedented levels of knightly prowess because think of how good she was even with just Ser Goodwin's guidance and like... mad respect to Goodwin because he was obviously a very good teacher who was able to adapt his insights to Brienne's unique situation rather than expecting her to fit into some prepackaged notion of knightly training, but imagine Jaime who knows Brienne very well as a fighter *and* as a person PLUS he has objectively some of the best expertise in the realm. I don't know this is my happy fanon place now don't wake me up.
Bonus Larycent headcanon (actually pretty popular among the intellectual sickos who ship it but maybe not with the general populace) is that eventually Larys will sacrifice himself for Alicent's sake, taking the fall for Aegon's poisoning which she actually came up with as a sort of mercy killing and a way to end the war. Because in his twisted, nuclear waste levels of toxic way... he loved her.
#ask meme#headcanon meme#jaime x brienne#larycent#there’s something very anime about jaime slipping into the wise (debatable) mentor role which appeals to me#in my old age i’m going back to the fundamentals: my weeb roots
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Where comes the idea that Kirby "needs adult guidance?" When has Kirby been shown to ever need guidance by anybody outside of the extraordinary circumstances of Rainbow Curse and Mass Attack?
Kirby is always the one doing the guiding. He's at the head of the party. He also isn't native to Dream Land and we're left to assume he cared for himself perfectly fine before arriving there in DL1.
(Let's not be so quick to remove "traveling" from "traveling youth." Remember that the travels Kirby have been on are inter-planetary ones. This isn't the anime where he was a sleeping infant. The series tells us he's been on galactic adventures before arriving on Popstar.)
Kirby IS a childish character, of that there is no doubt. They are quite likely to be a childish child! But Kirby is no one's dependant.
Kirby is perfectly capable of surviving alone, on their own, in situations that have toppled kingdoms. He can also logic out what is going around him with only loose context. In fact, he picks up on complex situations like Susie's and Taranzas really fast.
Kirby can be young. How young is up to each individual person. If it's your HC or you want to write familial relationships with him and the cast, by all means, write him as whatever is cutest/most fulfilling!
But for the series in a general sense? The evidence of Kirby needing other's supervision, protection, and guidance isn't there.
#I would've reblogged the original post...#...but given this is an argument AGAINST it felt wrong#Anyway I don't wish to step on anyone's toes about this#My own views of Kirby are close-ish to "an ageless being”#And that's a trope a lot of stuff has perverted for 'fan service'#(Something I'm pretty upset about if I'm being honest)#(Before Fire Emblem being a 1000 year old dragon...#...who looked like a teenager was a COOL thing >.> )#TLDR: I GET it. A lot of us want to protect Kirby from that#I'm not trying to convince anyone to buy my vision...#...but I'm VERY(!) against removing a character's agency...#...especially when they demonstrably possess it...!#This part is more nitpicky toward the original post but...#...you can be idealistic (and naive) at any age!#(Not every adult is jaded and world weary XD)#Also 'trouble reading' is a really common ND trait!#I know what you meant by that though so...#...I didn't want to use it as a point of critique#Also I'm sorry (/srs) if the original post was something...#...you considered not up for debate/didn't want to debate#Having a rocky weekend. Didn't mean to take it out on anyone#Dess Rambling#Dess Theories
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hey so any of my friends in the uk or canada or australia or really anywhere that isn’t the us wanna adopt me? i have a lot of thrifted furniture and a big record collection i can bring 🥰
#just watching highlights from this debate is so sickening#like what the fuck 🤭 there’s no right way to go !!! love it#palestine was used as basically a ‘joke’ or something idk but only said like once#sickkkkkkkkk#y’all are sick#talking about fucking golf dude#also the fact they even let a felon on stage when felons can’t even goddamn vote#this might sound ageist but idc really#there should be an age limit on these things#if you have to be a old enough maybe you gotta be young enough too#sorry if there’s a good chance you will die during office no you should not be able to run#maybe the cap should be like 75 or even 70#also should be a cap on other political offices too#ain’t no way someone should be 900 and on the supreme court looking at you rbg#voting cap too#you gotta be 18 to vote okay makes total sense#but when i say maybe we should stop letting people vote when they turn 75 or something im the bad guy ohhhhohhhokay#i think of all the old people i know. that are 75+ and quite honestly i don’t think they should get to decide my future#anyways#this country is a joke#this country is fucked#and i don’t wanna be here
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Intentional parallel? 🤔
#If the parallel is intentional then Jason absolutely pushed Felipe off that balcony. But it could be a coincidence#Not to bring this age old debate again#Jason Todd#dc
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after much deliberation (it was procrastination), reca is officially on the hsr celeb au fic....
stares forlornly out into the sea...
#sophie talks : roll the cameras!#5.4k words and the only completed parts are readers and jing yuans 🧍♀️ AND THIS WIP IS OVER A YEAR OLD 😭#blades is nearly done. ratios is abt halfway through. dan heng luocha argenti gepard and ofc recas are barely started.#been debating for a while but i might remove gepard and maybe luocha bc i feel like their parts barely have much planning like the others#and i just. cant write for them in this fic. like i already took sampo out ages ago ;w;;#i might put sunday in instead of the two but hmmm..... also not sure whether aventurine will be in it or not but im leaning more towards no#but uh. we all know how quickly i can change my mind 🧍♀️#anywho will now go eepers bc i am SPENT from uni this week.... will answer asks tmrw when i have the energy huhu ;w;;
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Tagged by @saxifrage-wreath (three weeks ago, but better late than never!) Thank you!
Last Song: Whatever the last song was at church this morning. Maybe "With One Voice"?
Favourite Colour: Purple
Last Movie/TV Show: I watched some classic Looney Tunes shorts
Sweet/spicy/savoury: Sweet, but lately I have had increasing cravings for salty snacks.
Relationship status: Fine on all fronts
Last internet search: How to spell the first name of William H. Seward's campaign manager/ruthless political boss Thurlow Weed.
Current obsession: After experiencing a lot of museums this week, my history obsession--specifically Lincoln/Civil War history and WWI history--is coming back strong. I've also got a major craving to develop an extremely derivative cozy fantasy universe involving a bunch of different races and characters with cultural/personality clashes.
Tagging: Anyone who has had something sweet to eat today
#tag games#anyway i can't yet read the old-fashioned episodic coming-of-age children's fantasy#about a group of pevensie or blythe or nesbit-esque siblings whose parents run an inn that caters to all the various fantasy races#that then interact with each child's individual personality/character arc in different ways#which i just vaguely came up with yesterday/this morning#nor can i read the arranged marriage romantic comedy that i came up with five minutes ago set in the same universe#about a gregarious extroverted academic elf (the kind of guy who loves nothing better than spirited tavern debates with his nerd friends)#and an introverted soulful artistic mermaid who really wishes this guy would shut up and let her paint/finish her novel in peace#all this is to say that i am suffering
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Hiiii, i would like to start by saying that i loveeeee your fanfics so MUCHHHH!!!
Like, literally the best! But i would like to ask if “scion” will have a second part? I just read it earlier and it was sooooo good!!
I won’t say no, but I would not hold ur breath
The only way that scion ends is with either oikawa or akaashi dead. They’re too much of a threat for the other to allow anything else. I know in my head how that’d go down but considering its character vs character rather than character vs an original character, idk how happy people would be reading that
#rhi answers#plus it’s the age old debate#do you write more of a fic you already have (and risk a potentially disappointing follow up)#or write new content#fic asks#scion
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well that was….. A Movie
#i have too many thoughts. unfortunately#its kinda hard to see this so long after it came out bc the humor feels soooo mid 2010’s and its debatable how well its aged#all i know is personally i feel like the dc mvoie#*dc movies have done a better job in recent years doing this specific r rated humor focused anti hero stuff#also like i for one love a comedy and love things having a humorous streak#but this is like a really standard grey action#*movie but then it puts all the humor on one character and that doesnt worklike at all lmao#like the really good parts are when hes with the other 2 funny characters (the bartender and the old lady)#they also like didnt do enough at all with lampooning superhero tropes? like at all???#it would have been so easy to have a standard superhero#movie but just lampoon it the whole time and instead they just… had that movie and like idk#fmcndkfndk like???#one of the few saving graces was in universe acknowledging that deadpool is annoying lol#but yeah generally it had a lot of ELEMENTS of good stuff just. not mixed well together#this truly is the granddaddy of reddit movie tho#like its not le epic win bacon bc thats more early 2010.#this is like. those milennial cookbooks that are hiphopified by just adding swear words. for some reason#torn bc i feel like i should judge ppl for this being so popular but im like not surprised that it would have mass appeal#on the surface i get the appeal of ‘a superhero BUT HE CURSES OOOOH’ and just generally taking things less seriously#it just sucks that the entire rest of the movie takes itself perfectly seriously#but not enough to have weird little annoying plot holes#also cant rly judge the guy who said he loved these movies hes a nerdy 38 yr old mild mannered white man. this was made for him.#this is elder milennial dadsk Wells For Boys
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I work as the person in an amusement park who watches the children who get lost. Here’s some advice. This also applies to any mentally disabled adults that are under your care. Keep in mind that many places will not look for a minor ages 13-17 unless it is close to closing or they are disabled, as corporate considers it a strain on resources and employee use.
1. Teach them your phone number. Best gift you can give them. I’m not supposed to have my phone out at work but I can cut down dependent’s being-lost-time by probably 400% if I can contact you. It also assures the children That We Are Doing Something and that They Are Helpful and Smart. If your dependent has a poor memory, apparently writing your phone number in sharpie and then covering it in nail polish makes it stay all day, even if they’re sweaty or getting in the water. I haven’t tested this but I’ve heard a lot of moms recommend it. I’ve also seen bracelets with little plates or the beads saying the phone number.
Addendum: your dependent may tell you that they know your phone number, but they actually only know your passcode. True story. This summer has been a lot better, but last summer exactly one child the entire season knew his mom’s phone number.
2. Acknowledge that dependent’s memories are faulty, especially in new places. If you tell them to meet you in X spot or that your stuff is all in Y place, they may not remember where it is or remember how to get there.
3. All dependents, but especially little ones, have shit time sense. They might find your stuff, wait there for a minute or two, and truly believe that they’ve been there for an hour. Half the small kids that are brought to me are ones who *know* where their stuff is, but haven’t seen an adult they know personally in 5 minutes, so they’re going to panic.
4. Don’t take naps!!! And don’t let your dependent go anywhere you can’t go or at least go where you catch them at the end!!! Yes you’re staring at the play structure your dependent entered, but can you see them? No? Then there’s a good chance they went elsewhere. So many of the littler kids that are brought to me are brought by genuine, good-hearted strangers who see lost children and take them by the hand. Away from the spot you’re napping in front of/staring vaguely at.
5. This might just be something from my work, but we will not call dependent’s descriptions over the loudspeaker. This is because if an asshole were to see your dependent, hear the description, know it’s a lost dependent, and decide to steal it, they can then use the excuse, “I know where your guardian is! Come with me!” And then lead them out of the park or toss the dependent over their shoulder. Do you know how many crying and screaming dependents leave the location every day? A lot!!! We’re a fun location!!! We’re not going to know if the dependent is screaming because they don’t want to leave or if a stranger is taking them away. We might call the description over the loudspeaker if it’s past closing time and the dependent still isn’t found. But before that, we will only report it over secure radios across the park.
6. Tell a park worker right away. Preferably someone with a radio. Even if you spot the dependent within the next minute, that means the dependent will have less being-lost time. Especially if we already have the dependent with, you guessed it, me. Also please tell us when you find the dependent.
7. Take a picture of your depdendent at the start of the day! That way security guards can have a good idea of what to look for. One mother told me her daughter was blonde and showed me a picture. Her hair color looked brown to me, but then I knew what to look for in the crowd.
8. Keep at least one person in your group in one spot at all times, especially if you don’t have access to your phone or forgot to give out your phone number to the guards. That way they can find you if they pick up the dependent. If you are the only person in your group, then PLEASE stay in one place or at least stay with ONE security guard. It sucks for the dependent if they can’t find you right away even if the both of you are looking for each other and a guard is helping them. You are NOT helping if you panic and run around. And keep your goddamn phone on you and answer calls from unknown numbers!!!!! God. This is a good time to do that.
9. If you lose your dependent in an attraction like the lazy river at a water park, and you have that ONE person staying in place, then this is what you can do with 1+ mobile people.
A. If only one person can be spared to be mobile, have them pick a spot and stay right there, watching the river go by. Eventually, if the dependent is in the river, they’ll go by.
B. If you have two people that can be mobile, both start at the same place in the river and go opposite directions. If you meet up again without spotting the dependent, well, they’re not there.
C. If you have more than 2 people, you can do B but also station different adults at the lazy river entrances/exits.
10. Don’t blame the dependent! Even if they ran away and/or are pissy that you’re upset once you all reunite, trust me, there’s a 99% chance they’re upset too. Yes, this is a good time to have a serious conversation with them. Yes, if this is a repeated problem, and/or you warned them you’d leave the park if this occurred, you should not back down. But also - they’re dependents. They’re not stupid, and they should be told consequences and dangers so they can make good decisions, but they will never have the adult/guardian perspective that you do. Be kind.
Also please for my sake teach them if they’re brought to someone like me, that it’s THEIR job to be safe and listen to me while us park workers look for you. It’s YOUR job to find the dependent, not the dependent’s job to find you. I had a six year old little girl genuinely toddler-howl at me because she wanted to go look for her mom. I’ve never before heard a kid her age howl like that. I can trick kids out of crying 9/10 times but howling came as a surprise lmao. I think I can manage it now that I’ve experienced it but damn.
Also make sure those kids are DRINKING. Being in a water park is NOT the same as drinking water. They should be drinking every 15 minutes at LEAST, I am NOT kidding.
Also if I call you to tell you your kid is here, please don’t call or text me back after you have the kid. I’m sure other places have phones for these types of things but the only one I have is my personal phone. And I am happy to get the kid off my hands and into your arms, but I’m using my personal phone so plz. Don’t call me back. Absolutely call me if you need directions to my ‘office’ in the park. Don’t call or text me after. I have stories about that hoo boy but this post is already long.
#I am not exaggerating when I say howling#not in a wolf way more like a howler monkey if you have no idea what human toddler cries sound like#I like kids of all ages but there’s a reason why#I’m not going to teach elementary school#I am the person in the *place I work* where if a kid is lost#the staff brings the kid to me until the parents are found#so like. I’m never going to see these kids at their best#I wish I could just hug them but I’m barely allowed to hold their hand if I’m escorting them to get water#this time of year their emotions are heightened by the fact that they’re almost certainly dehydrated#but if they’re a flight risk I do NOT want to risk losing the kid#so I have to wait until#a coworker comes by to get them some water sometimes#the howler girl = this kid#this kid was reunited with her mom without too much time going by thank god#she was a huge fucking flight risk omg#she desperately wanted to go find her mom and I’m like#GIRL you are the lost six year old ITS YOUR MOM’S JOB TO FIND YOU!!! Your job is to stay safe!!!#and color this pretty picture oh god please look back at the coloring page instead of calling upon the hounds of hell#I like to assure every kid that is brought to me that#1. mom’s (or whoever) not going to leave without you (sometimes this is a lie judging from the parents.still very important to tell kids thi#2. they did the right thing asking for an adult’s help#3. as they are literally a kid it’s not their fault they’re lost (again a little debatable with the older kids but still they’re minors)(so#I tell them all this)#4. it’s their job to stay safe while we find your mom#5. now do you want some water?#it’s more obvious in the pale kids but I’ve had so many Black and Brown kids come up to me the last couple days looking positively pink#those kids needed water. so I try to get everyone water#it pisses off my coworkers but idgaf. everyone has a legal right to water in this state esp in the summer#and even if they didn’t#fuck you I’m stealing it. these kids need water
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My shipping guide for the Batfam fandom because some of these ships are getting out of hand
(This post goes out to the person who told me they legitimately didn’t know Tim and Jason were brothers and thought they were a canon couple🤢)
Acceptable/non-incest/legal ships:
Tim and Stephanie, Barbara and Dick, Bruce and Selena, Bruce and Talia, Basically Any Pairing That Is Not Adopted Relative/Adopted Relative or Child/Not Child Is Ok It's Not Rocket Science, Dick and Kori
Incest/Batcest ships:
Jason and Tim, Dick and Jason, Tim and Damian, Jason and Cass, Dick and Cass, Tim and Cass, Bruce and any of his children that is their FATHER, Bruce and Alfred, Bruce and Kate, Mari and Damian
Ships that should be illegal/personally give me the ick:
Barbara and Bruce, Jason and Barbara, Tim and Barbara, Duke and Cass, Jason and Talia
Ships that are a whole ass felony:
Dick and Damian, Damian and Stephanie, Honestly Damian and Most People He's a Child, Bruce and Stephanie
#I regret to inform you every ship I just listed is real#there are other acceptable ships but I just included my personal favorites because listing them all would be too much#I put Steph in felony because I have no idea how old she is now#ik she’s the same as Tim and the never age him up so idk#this is my opinion#you may have a different opinion#just scroll if you do#live your life#Jason and Stephanie also give me the ick in a big way but I didn't put them because other than it being Tim's ex its not really problematic#Personally I see Jason and Steph in sibling vibes but since they're NOT people can ship what they like#Ik Kori is technically not BatFam but I put Mari so#This is gonna upset some people#i can already feel it#Tim and babs is also debatable in terms of problematic (depending on the version) but I hate it with a burning passion so it made the list#I don’t like Dukecass but not because I think it’s incest#But because Duke is like 16/17 and Cass is like 21#most the time anyway#I don’t like that#I only included ships I’ve actually heard of#Duke is never officially adopted which is why I didn’t include him in the incest category#It is suggested he is fostered by Bruce though so you can interpret that how you will#There’s also a ton of acceptable ships outside the bat community but again#Would be too much#If I forgot an incest ship#Just imagine it’s there#I probably just haven’t heard of it#Almost forgot Mari and Damian#But THAT IS HIS NIECE#idc what anyone says i will die on this hill#Mari’s not a part of main canon but that ship has bothered me for years
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