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Metroid end credits that play like the ones from Across The Spiderverse
#not a reblog#metroid#spiderverse#samus as miles#ridley as spot#raven beak as miguel#grey voice as aaron#dark samus as miles g#sylux as gwen#old bird/rodney/virginia as rio and jefferson#the hatchling metroid as the spider#and prolly squeeze mother brain and adam somewhere in there too#might rethink some of these#since its more based on how the cinematography treats them#than direct character parallels
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tgck and bkdk parallels make so much more sense when you think of it as Katsuki paralleling Uraraka and Izuku paralleling Himiko instead of the other way around…
#it took me way too long to figure that out#like I saw it#but I’d try to parallel toga with Katsuki and it wasn’t clicking in my brain very well#but the other way around?#omg?#Himiko’s self acceptance and willingness to show her true self is something Izuku needed but lacked nonetheless#Urarakas confusion about her own feelings and not really knowing what she feels but later accepting that she wasn’t feeling what she thought#she was feeling#kinda reflecting Katsuki’s confusion and unwarranted anger towards Izuku until finally realizing accepting that he was wrong#and that he feared him because he always secretly admired him#Izuku being shunned by society being a direct parallel to all of the villains tbh but more so toga than anyone else#Katsuki’s feelings for Izuku in the beginning holding him back from reaching his full potential#reflecting Urarakas feelings for deku at the beginning holding her back as well#oh my god it all makes sense now#SOMEBODY SEDATE ME#tipsy thoughts with puff#bnha#bakudeku#bkdk#midoriya izuku#bakugou katsuki#toga himiko#uraraka ochako#togaocha#togachako#tgck#puff speaks#I think I tried to parallel Himiko with Katsuki because they’re both aggressive blonds#and Izuku with Uraraka because they’re both dark haired sunshine characters#they’ve been practically the same ship all along
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the course of ivans life is locked in by sua and i think he understands that a little
its ivan who will follow till, its till who will follow mizi, and its mizi who will follow sua (and sua follows mizi too ofc)
just round and around, they go in a circle till theyre picked off for slaughter
mizi doesnt know that, but sua does!!! sua does!!!!
mizi is unaware of the threat thats coming her way, so its up to sua to leave. she doesnt. theyre stuck. when sua follows mizi, ivan sees a priest digging her grave.
my view of ivan sua is very much "ivan is willing to break the system for till, but till wont follow him"
"ivan watches as sua sacrifices herself for mizi within the system"
"ivan is envious because the person she loves is willing to follow her anywhere but the best she can do is die"
i think it says a lot about suas passive suicidal ideation
#i sometimes feel bad about always bringing ivan and luka into the conversation when talking about sua#but i think those two explain more about sua than sua does as a character herself#especially ivan who's suas parallel#rather than her direct reflection like luka#we can learn about sua through luka by looking at what hes like#and we can learn about sua through ivan by looking at what he's not#hope this makes sense#im normal#mizisua#ivantill#sua alnst#mizi alnst#ivan alnst#till alnst#alnst#alien stage#alnst ivan#alnst till#alnst mizi#alnst sua
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Robbing the Royal Treasury
↳ Esteban in "King of the Carnaval" vs. Elena in "Royal Treasury Escape Room" (Scepter Training with Zuzo)
#elena of avalor#elena castillo flores#esteban flores#chancellor esteban#i've been thinking about this parallel ever since i watched this short#surprisingly there aren't as many direct parallels as you might think#but that's cause “something i would never do” is like twice the runtime of the short#and esteban is so both much more efficient and much more extra than elena#and elena only has to steal one thing as opposed to all the things#and she does so without having an existential crisis the way her cousin did#honestly elena may have hated ballet but it clearly paid off cause she's very graceful in this#not as graceful as esteban but still elena did some lovely chainé turns to avoid the purple smoke#of course it doesn't last and she makes a big old mess#but still elena did a better job than i remembered and she should be recognized for that#ngl i think a lot about the fact that the characters who have canonically stolen elena's mother's crown from the treasury are:#1. esteban ; 2. elena; 3. shuriki; 4. flo (in a different short)#'one of these things is not like the others; one of these things doesn't belong. can you tell which thing is not like the others?'#and flo had the easiest time of it (but left the biggest mess)#mygifs#disneyedit#eoaedit
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All that's Left is Aaravos
I realized allasudden that I haven't rolled around in Callum's left-handed possession motif yet, so let's poke it with a stick!
First off, I wrote this meta post about how Viren goes left-handed when Aaravos is directly controlling him some while ago. This is going to be Callum's version.
Let's start way back in the beginning, with the first time Callum cast a dark magic spell:
Callum is right handed - we see him sketching with his right hand - but when he does this dark magic spell, he uses his left. I don't see this as any sort of hard indicator of possession that far back, but he could've cast this spell with either hand, and they chose to animate him doing it with his left. A light bit of foreshadowing about handedness.
The next time this becomes an issue is in S4, when Callum gets possessed by Aaravos, which is only possible because he did cast that spell above. There's some very deliberate mirroring with Callum's and Aaravos's stances and reflections, where right = left. We get to see Aaravos, who is left-handed, deliberately using his right hand so that Callum's left hand is the one that gets used:
Later in S4, Callum tries to drop the Key of Aaravos in the lava with his left hand, but he can't manage it.
Once the Pearl is back in Katolis in S6, Callum has a One Ring-esque staring contest with it and seems to lose:
he immediately starts doing left-handed things near the Pearl:
There's even another left-handed cube moment that gets pretty blatant with its Aaravos coding:
In the moment, it's lighting up because Stella is present. But it's also foreshadowing for Aaravos's trickery with the Pearl switcheroo plan - he's already watching and listening to Callum's secret plan.
When Callum sleepwalks to the dark magic dungeon and picks up the pearl, he reaches to open the painting left handed too:
The shock of being overtaken in his sleep forces Callum to make a new plan for the Pearl, and when he says this line out loud, Aaravos sees some wiggle room for himself:
Aaravos needs the Pearl unswaddled by Callum's anti-magic blankie - which tells me that those stitched spells would have worked, if Callum had the real deal. And he also needs the Pearl defenseless in Katolis. He already has a Pharos-shaped pawn, a blind, human-hating dragon who's about to get his wings healed, and a devastated daughter in need of a new father figure.
All Aaravos needs to do to get his Pearl into Claudia's hands and get free is to trick Callum about which pearl he's really holding. The rest will fall into place like clockwork.
And when the dust of Katolis Castle settles, along with the scorched bones of Sol Regem... all that's left is Aaravos.
#tdp meta#tdp spoilers#tdp#callum#aaravos#tdp parallels#tdp theory#the way handedness means something different for callum than it does for runaan delights me#because the root of left-and-right is the same but the character arcs take it in different directions#and yet at the heart of it#it really is the same motif for both of them#have i mentioned lately how much i love this show#om nom nom chewy fun
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turtle headshot!
I love Turtle so much, the animus battle scene in his book was so good!! Also the reveal that he MADE Anenome an animus to cover himself?? Shivers. What are you doing Turtle, respectfully. (to be fair he was four (4) at the time, trying desperately to hide his god powers, so)
I wish the books had gotten more into his feelings/reaction to having his magic taken away for good. Especially after he had a whole arc accepting himself and his magic. Like,,, I get why magic was taken away (and I think it was a good decision, actually, because otherwise how could you possibly have any plot when you could just use magic to solve basically anything) and there wasn't really time in the books to get into it. But Turtle was SO SAD when he got his magic taken away the first time!! I don't think we're ever gonna get this, but it would be so cool to see some kind of short (maybe a winglets?) where we see Turtle (and Anenome too honestly) come to terms with their loss of magic and, for Turtle specifically, realize that they aren't useless without it.
#wings of fire#turtle#turtle wof#I wrote more than I planned to here#I just have a lot of feelings about these books!#I love them so much#and turtle is one of my favorite characters#I have so much to say#such as: you'd think turtle and fathom are direct parallels but they're actually much more different than one would think at first glance#in this essay I will-
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Hear me out (or don't... it's fine I'm just venting and mean) yeah um I don't believe Chakotay was saved in Prod*gy s2.
#the 'time travel' makes no sense when you think on it. What happened to Prime Chakotay? He got killed they showed that.#At the end s1 Janeway finds an 'alternate chakotay in an alternate timeline' and that's the one they go and get#we saw the original get merc'd in the message. That ACTUALLY happened. Lmao.....#They didn't prevent THAT death because they didn't go to THAT Solum with the Infinity and stop it from happening#instead it was 'ALTERNATE#' implying other.#OG Chakotay wasn't taken over by the alternative one either nothing suggests that was the direction for him in s2#they didn't do anything like 'well you see chakotay because at the end of s2 when we converged timestreams you have merged with your other'#if they did want to recover the original from s1 then keep that clear instead of being convoluted dont use an alternate timeline wtf#instead the plot was focused on gywns stupid fucking paradox plot and her being fixed#chakotay was the one in a paradox too did that not matter nah dw about it he had to die for this outcome or someshit lmao why#In the extended message given to admiral janeway it shows him clearly getting left behind and surrounded. Sadly no one intervened.#I dont understand why they couldnt have just made s2 about his rescue alone IF they took their time it wouldnt be so difficult#to follow#above that the one they rescued was ruined by the 10 year gap so he wasn't 'saved' at all. God i hate s2 when you break it apart#I dunno the more i look at s2 Janeway and Chakotay the more upsetting it is. Janeway would NOT have settled for an imposter.#everyone going goo-goo gaa gaa over s2 but it's sloppy af imo and undermines a huge portion voyagers struggles#id really like them to flatly lay out their ideas because literally nothing ive heard explains the story or choices of s2 with conviction#instead it's oh clap for wesley or the new vulcan and other references yay#describe to me your timetravel clearly and i'll happily take a seat on it (there is still other crap stuff mind you)#this is the most repressed shit i my head i swear#im angry because s1 is so clearly mapped out to a brilliant degree and for whatever reason it's not in s2#i can see through it#insultingly people are eating it up and claiming it's better than ever nah dawg embarrassing#there are nice ideas inside s2 but they arent adequately rewarded#it doesnt compare to the timetravel in other trek because they kept it clear#i mean it could have been an interesting parallel to endgame but in the end janeway didnt even rescue him lmao they dropped her#why bother building up this mission only for her to give up and go 'i'll hand it over because im told to'. Janeway had fuck all this season#let alone settle for not fixing her own timeline and her own friends deadly circumstance dw just grab another one from the shelf i guess#the emotional fallout was absolutely missed because they didnt elaborate on anything. Plenty of show but no substance from the characters
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The post I made was about Will x Imitation Game!Alan Turing yes—
—but don't think it's lost on me that the conversation I pulled (where Joan tells Alan she doesn't want him to be normal/what makes him different is what makes him great) is Alan talking to the woman he said he would marry even knowing he was gay—aka the conformity he (temporarily) agreed to because to do so would make him an outcast /hurt her more....just like someone else we know.
#...if you thought you could escape me comparing Alan's nearly marrying Joan despite knowing he liked men to Mike....lol#Mike is sitting in direct parallel to so many more aspects of Turing than even WILL if we look at the film version#and honestly? Mike's best moments as a character are ALL tied to him embracing his care and love for Will + his friends#something that gets aggressively stunted the more he tries to conform....and date Eleven#of course....you didn't hear that from me LOL#byler#gay mike wheeler#mike wheeler#my st commentary#stranger things
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So hows it going 😀
TMAGP 7 is a WILD ride
#First we're already starting off with the end of tmagp 6 with Celia Ripley being the new hire#(And having the same voice actress as a extremely side tma character who started calling herself Celia post-change)#Then you get fucking hit with#“I mean it's an old system but it could have been worse. It's not like we're wrestling with tape recorders and manila folders.”#AND CELIA ASKING IF THERE'S A WAY TO SEARCH FOR SPECIFIC THINGS. LIKE BEING BURIED ALIVE OR MEAT.#I.E. THE BURIED AND THE FLESH#I'm much more inclined to believe that the Celia's memories are seeping into each other than bit characters full on universe hopping#(Oh yeah The Magnus Protocol is set in a world that's parallel to The Magnus Archives; not technically a direct sequel)#[But like they are chronologically. I think.]#Anyway CELIA KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK IS UP#And you'd think things might calm down with today's incident report; it's just Chester (“ai”/“automated voice” also voiced by Jonathan Sims#[who voices character Jonathan Sims. Creative genius we know.]#with another internet-based statement#(HE'S TRAPPED IN THE FUCKING WEB)#Except know it's about a charity shop ON HILLTOP ROAD#For context: EVERY ELDRITCH ENTITY AND THEIR MOTHER FUCK AROUND WITH HILLTOP ROAD#PRIMARILY THE AFOREMENTIONED WEB#WHICH HARBORED THE MESSIAH OF THE CULT OF THE LIGHTLESS FLAME#AND THE CHARITY SHOP *BURNED DOWN* BY THE END OF THE INCIDENT REPORT#We then cut to the other new hire Sam going to talk to Colin the IT guy#Colin's definitely going to be the first to die he's in DEEP in trying to understand the mess of of system that is the OIAR#And he's been adamant against Alice giving the computers any sense of a personality#And what does Sam go to ask Colin? WHO JON IS#BECUASE HE GOT A NONSENSICAL EMAIL FROM A RANDOM USER WHO CALLED HIMSELF JON BUT IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS AN INTERNAL EMAIL#Obviously Colin's to steeped in paranoia to react well to anything; but what is he hung up on?#That Sam brought his phone into the IT room; and that “it” has probably recorded too much already *!!!!!!!*#Oh and also their boss was like contracted to kill a guy but she failed and Gwen is using a video of it to blackmail her#tmagp spoilers
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fuck it *dials up the aiw vibes for into*
#luka.txt#console: phantasmagoria#game: im not the one#it was always kinda there bc cali + the whole. go to a strange/crazy world thing.#i mean everyone already has their Assigned Book Character#(not ALL my ocs but yknow. false moon does we've seen the lineup i did)#this wont affect things too much i dont think?? just more of a jumping off point for story beats + character dynamics/interactions#which were already there so its more of solidifying everything#and nobody is a 1x1 parallel to their ''book counterpart'' nor do they reflect my direct feelings of the canon character#minus cali. like i dont ship alice & rabbit but elliott & toby are together yknow?? some r more aligned than others i should say#oh INtO. will you ever have an actual plot. or are you fated to just be ''the vr story'' forever <3#''aiw but they're stuck in a video game'' yeah ok ill vibe with that#whatever its been 7ish years i can do fuck all with it atp its my playground
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For all there is negative to say about the spin-off and Berlin I at least have the comfort to know that Pina would never mischaracterize and misrepresent Berlin as the fandom did when everyone just decided to shut their eyes and ears in the Viking Gold scene and instead assumed the exact opposite of what happened. Just completely ignoring what Andrés literally said in the scene so just they would have a "at core Martín and Berlin are actually the opposite uwu and Martin is so much better" when the scenes were literal direct parallels of each other and where Andrés and Martín said the exact same things just about different cultures and different groups of people
#i'm awake at night thinking about this shit every night#there's a lot of blatand mischaracterization of both characters in this fandom that annoy me to no end#but literally nothing infuriates me as much as this#just the inability to hear the clear simple words he said out loud in the clearest terms possible just to prove that somehow Martín#is better than him at heart#it's so annoying#Andrés LITERALLY in the scene criticizes the vikings for pillaging iconic art pieces from other cultures and melting it to make their own#shit; which he doesn’t think of as art just because it's old#this is a direct parallel to Martín's “the Spanish stole it from South American indigenous tribes” not an apposite wtf#in WHAT WORLD do you think anyone would compare the vikings to south american indigenous tribes???#There are some things Andrés is worse about than Martin and vice versa#this is NOT one of them#literally both of them showed the same position???#you cannot be glamorizing the vikings so much in your head that you can't hear direct criticism of them when it happens#it wasn’t even subtle#how could anyone mishear this#Martin didn’t want to steal it (which makes no sense in its own right) because it's ancient art that belongs to those tribes (Spain had it#so again makes no sense. but anyway)#Andres wanted to steal the vikings gold because he didn’t think it was art and it was made by melting actual ancient art pieces#that belonged to the greeks and romans and Phoenicians and he didn’t think the 'wine goblets and plates' the vikings made with their#their pillaged gold was worth being in a muesum#thats literally his own words to Rafael#how does that make him worse than Martín. sure no one views the greeks and romans etc as victims the same way those tribes were#but the point still stands that they WERE pillaged of the artwork they made#literally absolutely nothing bothers me more than the interpretation of this scene#i don't care about both scenes in their own right but the shook I went through when I read what people on here thought. man
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what if i said in s3 elmax parallels jancy while lu/max parallels milven
#this isn’t really related but#thinking about parallels and the way they’re utilized and the way it’s usually a lot more complex than just#comparing two scenes/characters/relationships 1:1#there’s a lot more to it… sometimes it is supposed to draw a direct similarity but sometimes it’s to make a distinction#i know i’ve talked about parallels a lot but honestly they’re usually a lot deeper than just visual similarities#the similarities are to draw your attention and invite comparison#beets posts
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Okay but the weirdest thing about the whole "Brotherhood is better you should skip 03" discourse that's become commonplace now, it sort of forgets the world Brotherhood came out in and why you should watch the original Fullmetal Alchemist. When Brotherhood came out, the original Fullmetal Alchemist was one of the most beloved and most watched animes of all time. Brotherhood assumes you the audience have already seen it because of course you have, everyone has seen it, so it skips important information and speeds the story up because it doesn't want to bore you with things you already know. Have you ever wondered "hey why does the first episode of Brotherhood kind of suck, and why am I being introduced to like 50 new characters, and why are they acting like I know what the hell an alchemist is?" It's because Brotherhood thinks you've seen 03.
The first 7 or so episodes of Brotherhood constitute dozens of chapters in the manga, and the first 25 or so episodes of the original Fullmetal Alchemist. The Nina Tucker episode in Brotherhood, in FMA 03 takes up nearly three episodes. Yoki gets a backstory in 03 and it's genuinely one of the best episodes and taken directly from the manga and Brotherhood glosses over it because: duh, you've already seen it. And so if you skip the original you miss out on dozens of really great character building episodes like Ed and Al meeting Hughes for the first time and getting to spend a whole episode helping him free a train from terrorists, or Ed and Roy having a duel that expands on the relationship they have, or episodes where the brothers just help out random people in towns before the major story gets going.
The original also paces itself quite a bit better than Brotherhood and is more in line with the mangas storytelling. In the manga we don't find out about The Gate until nearly two dozen chapters in, and the same goes for the original anime. Like, that's a twist reveal in those stories, and it's weird that the most watched series is the one where they tell you all about The Gate in the first two episodes because they assume you've already seen the original show.
What's more, people don't know that Hiromu Arakawa helped write for the anime while she was still in the middle of writing the manga, and as a result was inspired to write scenes in Brotherhood that the anime did first. That scene of Edward getting impaled by a falling beam? Directly inspired by a similar scene in the original anime. There's a lot of little instances of that and they're great when you can recognize parallels and things in Brotherhood that are direct references to the original anime, but people don't notice any of that anymore. Because the original anime is just an automatic skip these days, and it's a bummer because people don't realize what a giant it was back before Brotherhood was released. They treat it as *bad,* not realizing it was one of the most beloved anime of its time and the problems people take issue with have a lot more to do with personal taste than any kind of actual flaw in the writing. Brotherhood was never meant to dethrone it, and the original anime was always supposed to be part of the viewing experience which is why those first few episodes of Brotherhood are so fast paced. So like, please stop telling people Fullmetal Alchemist 2003 is a skip, or it's bad, or you don't need it because Brotherhood is better. Regardless if you think Brotherhood is better or not, the original wrote Brotherhood's check. It was huge, it was beloved, and Brotherhood is *banking* on the knowledge you've seen all of it and loved it. And trust me when I say there is so much to love about the original series. It's still my favorite branch of the FMA franchise, and it's worth your time, I promise you.
#Fma 03#FMA#fullmetal alchemist#Fma:b#fullmetal alchimist brotherhood#fma brotherhood#Legitimately though the original is so fucking good#The music alone makes it worth the watch#Also the art direction is better fight me#mild spoilers
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thinking about how the extra area added on to a pacifist run of undertale, the true lab, is about alphys's past mistakes. how it ends with the story reaffirming that, despite the pain she's caused, the thing that matters is that she has now made the choice to do the right thing. she's still worthy of her friends' love.
thinking about how undertale doesn't expect the player to get a pacifist ending for the first time. how it's more likely than not that the player will kill toriel the first time they battle her, how lots of players don't initially figure out how to end undyne's fight without killing her, etc. what it expects — not even expects, really, but hopes — is that the player, if they care enough, will use their canonically acknowledged power over time to make up for those mistakes.
no matter how many neutral runs a player has done before committing to the pacifist run, the thing that matters to the characters, to the story, is that you've chosen, now, to do the right thing.
compared to alphys, the player honestly gets off lightly, in that you're the only one (other than flowey) who really remembers any harm you might have caused. and any direct guilting the game could have done about it is long past at this point. instead, as undertale often does, it makes its point via parallels: alphys caused harm, and she knows it. she has committed to being better. in doing so, she has unlocked for herself a better ending to her story. and she deserves it. she's forgiven.
those structural narrative parallels are all over undertale, if you know where to look. and that's one of the things that makes it so fuckin' good.
#undertale#alphys#true lab#this inspired by a mutual's alphys posting#and a discord convo i had a couple weeks back about ut's stance on ''punishing'' the player vs the monsters for their actions#and thoughts i've had generally post a certain fangame with a color in its name about just how well ut is structured as a narrative#everyone rightfully praises toby fox's character writing but stuff like this i think flies under the radar a bit by comparison#and it deserves to be appreciated#there's obvious Lore reasons why the true lab is only visited in a pacifist run (what's revealed about chara and flowey)#but this is the other half of it: the message of alphys's story hits hardest on a paci route post neutral runs#toby fox is a good writer more often than not
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You know, one of my favorite under-the-radar interactions in Arcane is actually between Jayce and Vi.
On paper they have…literally nothing in common. One’s the golden boy science nerd, plastered all over Piltover as the symbol of progress, who has actively made decisions on the Council that made life in Zaun worse. One’s a bruiser who cut her teeth on the streets of Zaun, and then prison, as Piltover did its very best to forget she ever existed. They’ve had maybe, like, one actual conversation, in which Vi called him ‘pretty boy’ and Jayce looked deeply uncomfortable. But against all odds—they get along like a house on fire. I think Jayce is the only one Vi would have accepted weapons made of Hextech from; and I think Vi (and Caitlyn, but Vi came first) was the only person other than himself that Jayce would have made Hextech weapons for. They’re so in sync that they literally coordinate battle moves on the fly without needing to exchange a word. It might strike you as weird, at first. It’s just so improbable.
But it makes sense. Because the way they make decisions is almost the same—emotion. Impulse. Punch first, think later. Do what you think is right, and don’t wait for the world to give you permission, because it never will. They trust their gut and make snap decisions. And because the world of Arcane is morally gray, they usually regret it.
Which makes me think that some of the strongest parallels in this new season might actually be between Vi and Jayce. Arcane is about change. The price of change; the promises and dangers of change; and how people change, too. Vi and Jayce have been relatively stable character-wise. They change their minds about things, circumstances around them change, but at least at the end of s2e3, they’re still very recognizably themselves. Still punch first, think later. But the people around them have been undergoing extreme transformations.
Powder is now Jinx. Vi spent the entire first season refusing to see this, then failing to understand this. At the start of season 2, she still can’t reconcile the two in her mind—she can only conceive of them as literally two different people. Powder is dead. (I killed her.) All that’s left is Jinx. (I created her.) But the truth is that Jinx is still her little sister, is still the girl who was once Powder. Powder didn’t die—she changed.
Meanwhile, Caitlyn in season 2 is having a cataclysmic change because of her trauma and grief. The Caitlyn Vi fell in love with was brave, precise, determined—and fundamentally kind. She traded her gun away for medicine to save Vi’s life. She didn’t even hesitate. But now, all of that laser focus is being bent on revenge. Caitlyn has become increasingly single-minded, narrow-viewed, her world reduced to the target in her sniper’s scope. If you’re an obstacle, she’ll simply shoot right through you. She promised Vi she wouldn’t change, and then she hit Vi and abandoned her the moment Vi got in the way. Season 1 Caitlyn would never do that.
Vi struggles with change. She never seems to quite—grasp it. Doesn’t understand how the Undercity has changed while she was locked up, stagnant, an insect trapped in amber. She loves people with a sort of nostalgic glow. What the show forces Vi to reckon with is how far she’s willing to love someone before they’ve changed too much. She thinks it’s over with Jinx. She says she doesn’t consider Jinx as her sister anymore. But they are, they’re still sisters, of course they are. Jinx knows this. Jinx loves her sister, even now. Which means there might still be something in her for Vi to love too. But with Caitlyn, is there anything left of the kind girl who gave Vi her freedom and treated her with compassion? Can Vi still love the dictator literally waging war against her people? Should she? (Could she even stop loving Caitlyn if she wanted to?)
Jayce’s arc is just beginning in season 2, so I’m not sure which direction he’s heading in. But the parallels are already showing up. Is Viktor still in there, or is he dead? (Did I kill him?) Is it just the Hexcore using his body now, a monster that must be stopped? (Did I create him?) Jayce, too, might soon be forced to decide if he can still love someone who’s changed past the point of recognition. Or whether he should.
All this is to say that I hope we get more Vi and Jayce interactions this season. And that it’s definitely not a coincidence that we got two divorces back to back.
#arcane#arcane spoilers#arcane season 2#caitlyn kiramman#vi arcane#jayce talis#caitvi#jayvik#arcane meta#‘I don’t even like Jayce all that much’ I say as all my arcane posts turn into Jayce posts
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#yeahhh i really like the way you put this#god jack in s3 ... his grief; his guilt; everything about his interactions with hannibal too#after bella's death—or even by the time he goes after hannibal in mizumono— he's definitely beyond the constraints &#moral constructs of law enforcement#at the same time hannibal's comparison of him to god is fascinating considering the emphasis on god's duality/cruelty/need for sacrifices#since; as you mentioned; by s3b—despite his pervasive guilt—will becomes the sacrifice once more to jack's agenda#& in conjunction with that; post-fall jack's return to his s3a state of mind is definitely far more compelling#wrt the fallout of him sacrificing will one too many times & finally losing him entirely#yet if it came down to a choice; in the moment; btwn saving will but letting hannibal go or finally getting the closure of#hannibal's death at will's expense—especially if will's actions/becoming lead jack to believe will's death would be for the greater good—#i could see it going either way#after all; regardless of not being tied to the considerations of law enforcement; his moral compass is still more inflexible than will's#& in nbc hannibal; one way or the other; all gods demand sacrifices (via @carbonorchestrations)
ooh thanks for these thoughts!
Jack's moral compass is less flexible than Will's, in the sense that he's not torn between good and evil - he's pretty firmly positioned as the good angel on Will's shoulder (while Hannibal is the devil). But he is similar to Will in the sense that he's constantly internally divided - in his case not between righteousness and darker impulses, but between protecting the individual people close to him and sacrificing them for "the greater good." And just as Hannibal influences Will into leaning more towards his dark side, Will's (unintended) effect on Jack is to push him more in the direction of valuing personal loyalties (in season 2 he's all set to put his career on the line in order to defend Will).
Where Jack isn't conflicted, over the course of the show, is on the question of personal justice versus "public" justice. His vendetta against the Ripper is highly personally motivated, because of what happened to Miriam Lass (and later to Beverly, by season 2B), but catching him would undeniably be a public service, so the personal motivations don't conflict with his ideals. But post-canon, I'd love to see him get pointed in a direction that requires his personal vendettas and loyalties to clash with his morals, and just wind him up and watch him go from there.
I've talked before about how Alana in 3B gets to balance her sense of self-preservation with her moral impulse to protect others, but that those two goals might end up clashing for her post-canon. I think for Jack something similar could happen wrt personal and public justice, as well as having to choose between saving someone and killing the bad guy. So I really like what you've said about him having to choose between saving Will and killing Hannibal, or saving or killing Will based on what Will's become.
I think the other thing going on with Jack is the question of what constitutes justice, and specifically what the distinction is between state-sanctioned justice (and murder) and rogue justice. I had Jack in the back of my mind as I was writing this post, and it helped me reach a breakthrough on What Even to Do With Jack in my "Jack encountering Will and Hannibal post-canon" 'verse. Because I'd considered Will offering to help Jack solve some set of murder cases (unsanctioned), but wasn't sure what direction to take that in, but I think "Will persuading Jack to commit murder as a form of vigilante justice" is what I've landed on. (Especially since - to continue the Alana parallels - it might indebt him to Hannibal and/or Will in the same way Alana's murder of Mason Verger indebted her to Hannibal.)
While talking to @menciemeer, something came up re: Jack’s motivations for being in Italy in season 3 that I haven’t seen discussed much - and that is that he’s explicitly there not to catch Hannibal, but to save Will. Here’s his dialogue with Pazzi in Secondo:
Jack: If he hasn’t already, Il Mostro will return to Florence. Pazzi: Come back with me. We have a chance to regain our reputations and enjoy the honours of our trade by capturing the monster. Jack: I’m not here for the monster. Not my house, not my fire. I’m here for Will Graham.
This is even more striking in light of the context for his character that the very next episode gives us - his conversation with Chilton in Aperitivo establishes that he’s been forced into retirement with the FBI, but he’s not interested in regaining his standing or reputation. (Very odd in light of the fact that come the Red Dragon plot, he seems to still have his old job in Behavioral Science). Chilton tries to get him to use Will as bait to find Hannibal:
Chilton: Will is going to lead you right to him. Jack: Oh, no, he’s not. Not to me. I’ve let them both go. I’ve let it all go. Chilton: You dangle Will Graham and now you cut bait? You’re letting Hannibal have him hook, line, and sinker. Jack: You’ll excuse me, Dr. Chilton. I like to be home in the evenings when my wife wakes.
What stands out about this exchange is Chilton’s “letting Hannibal have him” phrasing. It foregrounds not subduing Hannibal, but preventing Will from succumbing to his worst impulses, as a central motivation for Jack in 3A. It’s also significant that it’s his need to care for Bella that leads him to defer pursuing anything relating to Hannibal or Will, because her death is framed within the episode as the impetus for his investment in following Will to Europe - as he tells Will in the funeral scene, “you don’t have to die on me, too.”
So much of Jack’s character arc in the first two seasons is juggling his repeated sacrifice of others for the greater good. His guilt over what befalls both Will and Miriam features prominently in season 2, and during Will’s trial, he’s already prepared to put his career and reputation on the line to stand up for Will and atone for what he feels is his role in Will’s downfall. Both the traumatic events of Mizumono and Bella’s death bring about more of a full turnaround in that direction - Jack becomes less invested in apprehending killers in service of public safety, and more invested in saving the specific person who’s been harmed by that project.
I think this motivation doesn’t always stick in people’s minds because these exchanges get eclipsed by Jack beating Hannibal to a bloody pulp a couple episodes later, as well as his inexplicable return to working for the FBI in 3B. But even in the former altercation, his fight with Hannibal feels personal, more about venting anger and grief than actually apprehending Hannibal. In Dolce, when Will asks why Jack didn’t kill Hannibal, Jack responds “maybe I need you to” (in the same exchange, of course, as “you need to cut that part out”). That scene also establishes clearly that Will and Jack are, like Pazzi, “outside the law and alone.” As in Mizumono, they’re effectively vigilantes - and Jack’s mission is not serving justice for the FBI, but in saving Will from Hannibal’s influence.
This is why, despite the fact that Jack is once again embroiled in FBI business in season 3B, I always envision his role post-canon as being a continuation of what haunts him in the first half of the season - less about catching or killing Hannibal than about rescuing Will. It’s a lot more compelling to me, at least, than him simply continuing to be the face of law enforcement.
#the thing about 3a and 3b is like... 3a is radically breaking away from the pre-established structure of the show#and it's all very dreamlike and impressionistic and fairytale-esque#and then 3b is the return to reality. and yet it's not the same#and the weird and the sublime keep creeping back in#as tolkien put it 'all roads are now bent'#which is to say - 3b should have featured jack having a parallel realization to will's#that he couldn't let will and hannibal go the way he wanted to#also the fact that he just agrees with hannibal when hannibal compares him to god. kind of insane of him#like he is probably the character on the show who most consistently cares about doing good#and yet he has a very ruthless streak#and what direction that ruthlessness is pointed in is a much more interesting question than gets explored in a lot of post-canon fic#carbonorchestrations#replies#my meta#jack crawford#hannibal#hannibal talk#my season 4 mind palace#queue
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