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DigiAdvs U.S. DUB Blu ray Liner notes: *explains abt Ep31 scene where Koushiro (badly) 'tells' 'jokes' but what he was REALLY trying to do was cover up Tentomons Kansai dialect to his Adoptive (!!!) Parents (who DIDNT KNOW yet that Koushiro KNEW ABOUT HIS ADOPTION AND IT WAS MAKING EVERYTHING INVOLVING HIM AND HIS FAMILY AWKWARD!!!!! while He Tried To Cover That Up And It Was Going V. VerY BADLY)*
M E, Koushiro Fan Who Keeps Attempting to Explain abt Koushiros assumed """bad humor""" to other Adv-02 Fans: THANK YOU (for finally explaining at least this in official media so I dont have to as much anymore!!!!)
Me: btw the much more obvious Point of the scene was Koushiro is TERRIBLE at Hiding Things (The Way Koushiro Initially 'Intends' at the LEAST) (+from Parents ESPECIALLY) + Koushiros blatant awkwardness HIDING SUCH THINGS WHILE!!! TRYING TO MAKE A GOOD IMPRESSION!!! TO HIS PARENTS!!! the 'bad' jokes ASIDE...
#izzyizumi no rb#izzyizumi posts#izzyizumi commentary#izzyizumi text post#izumi family#koushiro commentary#tentomons kansai dialect#koushiros communication#koushiros social awkwardness#adv 31#(FINALLY ITS EXPLAINED SO I DONT HAVE TO ANYMORE)#(THANK)#(im still reading the rest of those notes soon but yeah anyway!!)#(IZUMIS ' Sorry what was that? OUR CHILD tells wonderful---' )#(They Literally DO THAT IN THE SAME SCENE)#(IN THE JPN)#(ITS LITERALLY A 'YOU WERE WONDERFUL SWEETIE' meme MOMENT)#(AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA)#(ITS BECAUSE IZUMIS LOVE KOUSHIRO OK)#(IDEK HOW MUCH MORE TO EXPLAIN THAT WHOLE EP)#izumi family loves koushiro#(its a small moment i KNOW BUT ITS SIGNIFICANT OK)#(Sorry im just rEALLY GLAD they Emphasized the Point there)
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Koushiro felt that {Koushiro} should at least give {Babumon} a response {to Babumon's relentless vocalization}, but because {Koushiro} had lost {Koushiro's} words, {Koushiro} could not speak. As if {Babumon} could sense that, Babumon’s eyes directed Koushiro to the laptop {Koushiro} was always carrying in {Koushiro}'s backpack. When Koushiro rested the laptop in {Koushiro's} lap, {Koushiro} typed into the keyboard: >I’m sorry for making you degenerate.
"Babu, babu, babu!!" >Since I don’t have my inquisitive heart, I'm not very sure about this… but I feel that I have been {tricked}. "Babu, babu," Babumon agreed, nodding its head. >Babumon, will you help me take back my inquisitive heart? Babumon could only say "Babu, babu," but to Koushiro’s ears, he could hear the nostalgic tinge of Kansai dialect in Tentomon’s voice telling {Koushiro}, "Of course, Koushiro-han!"
Digimon Adventure Novel; “The Inquisitive Heart” Translation from Digital Scratch (Link in the comments)
#izumi koushirou#repeat koushiro#repeat tentomon#adv 24#koushiros inquisitive heart#vademons dimension#koushiro and social cues#inquisitive heartless koushiro#koushiro and pabumon#koushiros pibook#friendship: but i like you with your inquisitive heart#koushiros compassion#tentomons compassion#tentomon supporting koushiro#koushiros communication#koushiro losing speech#koushiros nonverbal communication#koushiro using aac#child of knowledge#koushiros 71st day#augmentative and alternative communication#autistic koushiro#koushiro izumi was trapped in vademons dimension for 71 days#nonverbal koushiro#pibook as aac#(Part of reason why I hesitate trying to voice this is Toei US side Cant Decide if its Pabumon or Babumon or Bubbmon BUT Im fine with Any)#(Novel translation uses Babumon&I might condense it further kind of like this if I ever attempt voice over bUT WELL Koushiros TYPING HERE)#(Like yes Koushiros TYPING USING PIBOOK&BABUMON WANTS HIM TO USE IT&PIBOOK ALTERNATES CANONICALLY *LIKE AN AAC DEVICE*)#(LITERALLY!!! ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ACCOMODATE KOUSHIRO!! GIVE KOUSHIRO AN AAC DEVICE {OR TABLET} WHEN KOUSHIRO HAS TROUBLE COMMUNICATING!!#(ALTERNATIVELY!!! LET KOUSHIRO LEARN J.S.L!!! LET KOUSHIRO USE GESTURES LET KOUSHIRO GIVE CUES+SIGNS *LET PEOPLE ACKNOWLEDGE*)
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I forgot how genuinely dark the side quest 'living doll, dead person' quest was in digimon cyber sleuth like the game is really all 'a leomon has been cheating at arcade games. A tentomon has been changing wikipedia so it's all written in a kansai dialect. Oh and there's a scam company that locks your brain inside the digital space and steals your unconscious body, shipping it overseas and selling it, where it's highly implied they harvest it for organs' like what the fuck and then it's never brought up again even though you didn't manage to catch the guy behind it
#all those people who are desperate for pokemon to secretly be super dark and fucked up should just play digimon tbh#error: nowhere to log out to
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Is your first language American English, or am I misremembering? If so, what would you say are the American English equivalents are to Kansai and Nagoya dialects? In other words, if you were in charge of an American English dub, what accents might you give Tentomon, Armadimon, and Frontier!Bokomon?
Also curious about other countries if your followers want to chime in.
My first language is indeed American English!
In regards to the dialect issue...well, I do feel like this might be a question better aimed at an experienced translator, since being able to translate is very different from simply knowing Japanese, and this is an issue that even professional localizers have scratched their heads over. The writer of the thread took the stance that he personally disliked the idea of mapping one regional dialect to another specific region. To be fair, he was saying this in the context of the Yakuza series, where the nature of the literal Kansai region itself is a major plot point, but looking at his other cited examples and thinking about other localizations I've seen lately, I notice there's definitely been a recent push away from trying to map Kansai or related dialects to specific American regions, because of the understanding that the associations anyone would make with that specific region would be overly distracting and wouldn't actually have the intended effect. I see Labrys from Persona 4 Arena in there and (I'm very sorry to say that) I personally found that to be one of the most cringeworthy, forced examples I've ever seen, because they attempted some kind of pseudo-Bostonian dialect that sounded both horrifically fake and incredibly distracting. So I don't blame translators for deciding that (unless it's a plot-important thing like Yakuza) the tradeoff would make it worse than make it better, and I imagine this is probably a big reason basically none of the translators who have handled Digimon material have attempted anything with this, because it's such a loaded can of worms that risks making the whole thing explode in its face; I imagine you could probably ask the individual translators themselves if you'd like their reasoning.
Personally, I didn’t think the pseudo-Southern accent used for Armadillomon in our English dub was too bad.
I think it might be easier to find this kind of equivalent in certain smaller countries, though! My impression as someone living in the US is that part of the problem with dialect mapping being so cringeworthy here is that we don't really have a "standardized" area or region to the point this kind of thing would be immediately recognizable in fiction, and I think the average American has very poor awareness of what most of our dialects even sound like. The country is just too big with too disparate of a variety throughout its regions to have an equivalent in the first place.
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Feel free to ignore but I just need to rant for a moment.
I'm really annoyed with the way English subtitles are being handled lately. This is gonna focus on the anime Komi Can't Communicate, licensed by Viz Media, but I've also noticed this with animes licensed by Funimation like Boku no Hero Academia. Lately, English subtitles for the Japanese versions are jumping right into adapting their jokes or sayings into something the English speaking audience would understand, and this is normally okay since it makes for less having to explain the joke to an audience that wasn't brought up on it. But the thing is this should only be done in the English dubs, which are already meant to adapt the language and ways of speaking to an English audience. The point of subtitles is so we can understand what they are saying in their own language, even if it involves having to explain the joke in translator notes. But many times I have found myself having to look up what the onscreen text was saying when it was clear to me from first glance that it wasn't what the subtitles were saying. Case in point: Komi's joke.
This reads "futon ga futton da" which translates directly as "the futon flew off". The joke doesn't translate into English but phonetically you can tell it's a Japanese pun.
In the English dub, they adapted this joke to one that fits in our language with "the bedbug bugged the bed", which hits just as well as the Japanese version. It would be fine if this was only in the dub, but when watching the Japanese version, the subtitles kept the dub's translation and not the accurate one. This creates misinformation for those who don't have a basic understanding of the Japanese language and could lead them to think "futon" means "bedbug" when it doesnt.
Second case in point: Ochako getting flustered.
The text surrounding her do not say what she is saying, and even she herself is not saying what the subtitles say. The joke in this scene is that Mina accused her of being in love, or
恋/koi, and her reaction is to question what her meaning is with "鯉/koi" "故意/koi" "濃い/koi". Every single word on screen is pronounced "koi", so it's like she's asking for clarification on what Mina means by saying "koi", even though she clearly knows what she meant.
Yes, the "love? shove? dove?" translates faster and is just as effectively into English, but it works better in the dub, it's not accurate to the meaning of the Japanese language in sub.
Look, I don't know if this is a result on dubbing/subbing companies wanting to spend less time/money into adapting or whatever, but I can remember watching a fansub of the original Digimon Adventure for the first time, and the translator notes took the time to explain the reason Koushiro performed stand up comedy to his parents after they asked him through his bedroom why he was speaking in a particular dialect, was because at the time his digimon Tentomon spoke in kansai dialect. As an English speaker, I would have never understood that, so the translator notes provided knowledge that would have gone over my head before.
Likewise, fansubs for the japanese version of the game Sonic Colors had lots of moments when explaining the joke to me came in handy with increasing my knowledge. For instance, when Tails tries using his device to translate what Yacker was saying, it first translated it's name to "soccer", and when he does get it right, Sonic jokes "are you sure his name isn't yakyuu?" Which is the japanese word for "baseball", while providing the motion of hitting a ball with a bat. The joke is how similar Yacker and yakyuu sound together, and the fact that soccer and baseball are both sports; it's punny. Sure, it doesn't translate into English, but that's not the point. We should be more eager to explain the jokes from other languages so that we can expand our knowledge. Most non-English languages dont know "no prob, Bob" is an English speaking pun. We take these things for granted since it comes so naturally to us, but I am always excited to learn and understand the puns and jokes in other languages, and I want to believe I'm not alone in that despite the shallow translations from big dubbing companies.
#i say stuff#english dub#english sub#puns#japanese puns#english puns#english translation#language#language barrier#learning#educate yourself#rant#salty on main
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@ people who sub digimon adventure: at crunchyroll why do you keep having tentomon say koushiro-san in the subtitles when he’s saying koushiro-han? why are you afraid of the Kansai dialect :^(
#always count on me to care only about the important stuff HAh#digimon#bea with the tea#digimon adventure 2020#ok to rb
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I didn't know there was an Osakan Precure!! Akane already has become my fav of SmilePre haha, her attitude is absolute pleasure! Plus her accent, I love Kansai dialect so much, for some reason. Think Heiji and Tentomon have something to do with it?
#aleira watches smilepre#prooobably gonna try seeing all their debuts then bed#precure#pretty cure#smile precure#discussions
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This fic takes place in the universe of Digimon Adventure Psi (or Digimon Adventure 2020) and shows how Koushiro met Tentomon. I'm using my hc that Koushiro was a bit old when his biological parents died.
Alone in the world
Koushiro recognized that landscape immediately. He had seen those colorful forms and sparks when he first had contact with the network space, back when Taichi had gone there for the first time. However, the older boy was nowhere nearby. Koushiro found himself alone in that world.
“Taichi-san!” Koushiro called, wandering through that strange place. A cold wind sent chills down his neck. “Taichi-san, where are you?” he insisted, getting increasingly desperate. “Please, answer me! Taichi-san!”
Was he really alone there?
A sensation he had tried to bury for years was reemerging. Once again he could hear, in the back of his mind, the whispers from those people, who were too sure a grieving child couldn't listen to them during his parents' ceremony.
“That poor helpless kid!”
“It's so sad!”
“He has no family anymore.”
“He's all alone now.”
“Alone in the world.”
Koushiro was surprised when he saw the teardrops falling on his tablet. He was clutching the object against his chest, as if afraid of losing it. The boy knew he had done that many times before. Maybe that was a silly fear, but it was still overwhelming. It probably lingered from that great loss he once suffered.
He wiped his tears with the back of a hand and faced forward. Koushiro wasn't a helpless child. Taichi had told him that he had been helpful, that he had been useful. He had to believe in his friend's words. Koushiro just needed to keep his calm and think. There had to be something he could do.
“It's going to be alright,” the boy told himself.
“Of course it is! Don't worry!” a voice suddenly said behind him, startling the child.
Koushiro turned around quickly and saw a huge ladybug hovering a couple of meters away from him. The insect was staring at the child.
“Hi, there! I'm Tentomon!” the monster greeted. “I saw you and thought you were lost. So, I'm here to help!”
“Tentomon...?” Koushiro repeated that name in low voice, studying the other. “Are you a digimon...?”
“Yes, of course I am!” Tentomon confirmed. “What are you? You don't look like a digimon.”
“I'm a human being, I came from a different world. My name is Izumi Koushiro, nice to meet you!” Koushiro introduced himself, bowing slightly.
“Izumi Koushiro-han...” Tentomon said, “Izumi-han... Koushiro-han! That's it! Koushiro-han sounds better! I'm going to call you that!”
The boy was about to say that the digimon didn't need to address him with a honorific, but a question made its way to his lips before he could think it through:
“Is that Kansai dialect?”
“What is Kansai, Koushiro-han?”
“Ehr... never mind that...” the boy muttered, trying to come up with a theory for the monster to talk like that without ever being in Japan. Then, another concern rose in his mind, which led him to begin to ask:
“Excuse me, uhm... Tentomon-san...? Have you seen-”
“I don't like the sound of that at all!” Tentomon interrupted. “Don't call me with 'san,' please!”
“S-Sorry!” Koushiro hurried to say. “If you don't like 'san'... should I call you 'Tentomon-kun,' then?”
“That sounds even worse!” Tentomon complained. “Just call me by my name alone.”
Koushiro felt blood rushing to his face. When talking to someone, he always used a honorific. To drop it, especially with someone he had just met, felt too audacious for him. However, he couldn't insist on using honorifics if doing that upset the other.
“If that's what you want, then I'll respect your wishes, Tentomon,” Koushiro said in low voice. Hopefully, he would soon get used to calling him that and stop feeling awkward about the lack of honorific.
“Thank you, Koushiro-han!” Tentomon exclaimed.
“You don't have to use honorifics with me,” Koushiro told him.
“But I really want to call you 'Koushiro-han,' and you said you would respect my wishes!” Tentomon contested.
Koushiro thought that he couldn't argue with that kind of logic. The boy felt it was unfair that he had to drop honorifics while Tentomon wasn't willing to do it, but decided that it was best to let that slide.
“So, Koushiro-han, you were looking for someone, right?” Tentomon asked.
“Yes! I'm looking for another human being!” Koushiro confirmed. “His name is Yagami Taichi-san. He's taller than me and has big brown hair. Have you seen him?”
“I haven't seen anyone around, besides you,” Tentomon told him. “I could help you to look for him. This Taichi-han is older than you, right?”
“Yes, how did you know?” the boy asked.
“It was just wishful thinking, actually,” Tentomon said. “I was worried when I saw a little kid like you all alone, so I hoped that there was someone out there to take care of you.”
“T-That's not...” Koushiro mumbled, shaking with embarrassment. “Taichi-san doesn't take care of me!”
“Does he treat you badly?” Tentomon had a worried voice.
“No, of course not!” Koushiro denied. “He's a wonderful person! Taichi-san is kind and encouraging! The way he smiles at you... and his way of talking that makes you feel...”
the boy lost himself in his memories of his friend and had to be taken back to reality by Tentomon.
“He sounds like a good friend who takes care of you!” the digimon exclaimed.
“I-It's not like that! I mean, Taichi-san has done a lot for me and many other people... he does amazing things... but I helped him too, he told me that I helped him! I got to be useful... I wasn't just...”
Fragments from his past echoed in his mind. He remembered the day he had met Mr. And Mrs. Izumi. Back then, how fiercely was he clutching that tablet against his chest?
“You don't have to be scared, Koushiro. You don't need to worry about anything.”
“We will take care of you now.”
Koushiro felt his eyes getting warm as those memories returned, but refused to cry. Crying had never helped him, it had never returned anything he had lost. It would be just bothersome for other people if he were to cry in front of them.
“Then, you take care of each other! That's how friends should be!” Tentomon said, excitedly.
Koushiro was taken aback by that statement, but wasn't bothered by it. The idea that he was capable of doing something for the sake of others filled his heart with joy.
“Say, Koushiro-han, what's that thing that you're holding?” Tentomon asked, pointing to the tablet that Koushiro had in his arms.
“It's a tablet that I can also use as a computer,” Koushiro explained. “I use it to analyze data and it helps me to communicate...”
Only then the boy realized that he could've contacted Taichi a long time ago and felt like the dumbest person alive.
“I... I can actually talk to Taichi-san and ask where he is...” Koushiro muttered, embarrassed, “I had forgotten about it...”
“You can talk to him? That's great!” Tentomon sounded excited. “After you talk to him, I can take you to where your friend is.”
“You don't have to go through that much trouble because of me,” Koushiro tried to dissuade the digimon. He didn't know how far away Taichi was or how long it would take to find him. It wasn't fair to inconvenience Tentomon that way.
“Don't worry, it's not like I have anything better to do, anyway!” Tentomon assured him. “Besides, I like talking to you. It's going to be a fun trip because I enjoy your company!”
“You... enjoy my company...?” Koushiro asked, in disbelief. The boy tried to remember if anyone had ever said such a thing to him before.
“You sound like a very intelligent person and you're also very polite. You seem to care very much for other people, which I find admirable,” Tentomon told him. “I like you a lot already, Koushiro-han!”
The sensation born from that statement was warmer than what he felt when he was able to be useful to someone. I'm not a bother... I'm not bothering him... Koushiro thought. He couldn't begin to describe the deep happiness that was engulfing him.
Koushiro found a spot to sit and then contacted Taichi. He was surprised to see that Sora from the summer camp was with the other boy, but was glad that his friend wasn't alone.
Then, Koushiro realized that the other kids couldn't be alone because they had digimon with them. He wondered if Tentomon could be to him what Agumon was to Taichi. Koushiro felt that was an audacious thought. Tentomon was probably just a nice digimon willing to help him out of kindness. It wouldn't be the first time he found people like that. However, Koushiro wished that wasn't the case.
Like he had done when he lost his parents, Koushiro wished he didn't have to be alone in that big and strange world.
#digimon adventure 2020#digimon adventure psi#digimon adventure:#koushiro izumi#izumi koushiro#izumi koshiro#koshiro izumi#izumi koushirou#koushirou izumi
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Day 1&2: Daughter / Son
Hello! My original intention was to post some drabbles or Oneshot for Epilogue Celebration but I still have school and exam and can't finish it on time ( Yes it still not canceled despite the numerous cases in my country, stay safe everyone !) so I decided to post some headcanons instead.
Joe Son:
-He picks up Gomamon's sense of humor since he was pretty attached to the Seal Digimon much to Joe's dismay. -He the first in the family that does not follow the family tradition of being a doctor from the beginning and Joe fully support his decision -He is similar to Joe, faint at the sight of blood... bad singing ... but one difference is that he doesn't put Salt & Pepper in his egg -He had a strong interest in computers and learn from Koushiro, a fact Koushiro is glad for since his daughter didn't have that much of an interest in technology. -He often the target of Takeru Son prank. It escalated into a prank war when he retaliated
Sora and Yamato Son:
-He good friend with Taichi son but like Yamato and Taichi, they argue often and Sora can’t believe that she had another pair of boys to handle. One is more than enough -Yamato often dresses him up in wolves design clothing when he was young and he likes to pretend to be Gabumon. Gabumon Costume for Halloween is a must too -He likes to cloud watch with Piyomon -He good at drawing and often doodle with Sora when she designing -He gets flustered by girl easily but is still pretty much surrounded by them, Yamato insist is cause he inherited his dad good look
Daughter:
-Her first word is “Dada”, also happens to be a daddy girl. She knows how to manipulate Yamato and Sora had to keep telling him not to fall for her sweet girl act -Mimi like to dress her up( since she had no daughter of her own) and she can’t escape from it -She has a crush on Taichi Son and Yamato hate it when Taichi keeps referring her as his future Daughter-In-law. Taichi and the rest actually had a bet if they would get together -She loves sport and music and often plays her newly thought out tune for Gabumon -She loves riding on Birdramon and often pestered Sora about it when her own partner can’t evolves yet.
Taichi Son:
-He a natural at soccer! But Takeru introduces him to basketball and he enjoyed it too! Every day, Taichi waited with bated breath to see which sport he will join -He taught Agumon to play basketball but gave up when the sharp claw tear through at least a dozen of it -He popular with girls too but no one approaches him as many assume he and Sorato daughter are together. He often wonders why he still single, what did he do wrong? -Sora often told him that he lucky he didn’t inherit Taichi IQ and is smarter than his father -He the only one who loves Mimi strange creation and actually ask for more
Hikari Son:
-He probably the most polite and well manner of the bunch due to Hikari being a teacher -He soft-spoken and naïve, often took advantage of, lucky he had others to look out for him. The baby of the group -He and Tailmon like to take naps together -Joe and Koushiro gift him a camera for his birthday one year and he never goes anywhere without it. All the others Instagram post are taken by him - He one of the youngest but when it comes to academic, he really smart and like to geek out with Koushiro daughter
Mimi Son:
-He never inherits Mimi taste bud and could never figure out the beauty of fried rice with whip cream & strawberry -He not close to the other children at first as he grows up in America but moved to Japan when he older -He can be very open, blunt and cool. Because of this, He had a hard time fitting into Japan more reserve and tradition culture (eg: he hug the rest when he first meets them ) -He knows what plant is safe to eat and what is not safe because of Palmon and had a small cactus in his bedroom -He has a habit of pretending not to know Japanese when he feels it better for the situation. Another habit is going into full English when frustrated or when he insults others.
Koushiro Daughter:
-She learns how to pick up the important point from Koushiro rumbling from a young age -She a young genius like Koushiro and good in technology but never had an interest in computers. Her main interest is science -She clashes the most with Mimi son at first and find him rude but later become his closest friend -She learns Kansai Dialect from Tentomon -She takes pride in beating the other boys in video game
Takeru Son:
-He learns about his dad crush on Hikari when they were still kids and always tease Takeru about it -He received a hat from Hikari as a joke and he always wore it out since then -He learns guitar from Yamato. His first owned guitar is gifted by Yamato -He and Patamon are the Prank Duo -He was forced to learn soccer by Taichi who insist it only fair and actually enjoy it, he and Taichi son are debating which team to join together
#DigimonEpilogueCelebration#digimon adventure#taichi yagami#sora takenouchi#yamato ishida#koushiro izumi#joe kido#mimi tachikawa#takeru takaishi#hikari yagami
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DIGIMON ADVENTURE 2020 DIGIMON PROFILE
Agumon: Taichi's Digimon partner. He appears to know Taichi from long ago. When their hearts combine, he evolves into Greymon to release a powerful fireball. He seems to have fulfilled a major role in a great war that took place in the old internet, but...?
Gabumon: Yamato's Digimon partner. He understands Yamato's feelings better than anyone. When he evolves, he becomes the warrior Garurumon who excels in speed.
Piyomon: Sora's Digimon partner. She is like a baby who follows Sora wherever she goes. She evolves into Birdramon, who specializes in aerial battle
Tentomon: Koushiro's Digimon partner. The moodmaker who speaks in a strange Kansai dialect. When he evolves into Kabuterimon, his exoskeleton strengthens giving him superior defense.
Palmon: Mimi's Digimon partner. She evolves into Togemon. She names herself the bodyguard of her beloved Mimi, becoming Togemon who can attack in all directions
Gomamon: Jou's Digimon partner. He evolves into Ikkakumon. He covers for Jou, in his attempts at effort, one way or the other, like a perfectly dedicated wife. Patamon: Takeru's Digimon partner. His evolved form fulfilled a major role in a battle from ancient times.
Tailmon: Hikari's Digimon partner. She indirectly influences Taichi and the others during battles. Where she is and why she won't appear is a mystery.
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I love that the part yamato's dad was most surprised with when tentomon spoke was the kansai dialect 😂😂😂
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hi! can you please explain to me the meaning of honourifics in japanesse culture? I am curios beacuse I noticed that for example Hikari calls Takeru "kan" and Mimi "san", and Mei calls Tai at first "san" and then Yagami "kun" in the final scene? Could it have something to do with how close or distant they are?
Japanese honorifcs is a complex business, and I am by no means an expert in the subject. I would reccomend reading the Wikipedia page to get a more detailed explanation, including the links at the bottom of this page, or other sources about it.
If I had to sum it up very succintely:
-san: formal, implies respect; used for people you aren’t close to or who are older. (e.g. Hikari uses “Mimi-san”, Meiko uses “Sora-san”)
-han: Kansai dialect version of “-san”. (Used by Tentomon.)
-kun: friends, underclassmen, or young boys. (e.g. Mimi uses “Takeru-kun”, Jou uses “Mimi-kun”, Hikari uses “Takeru-kun”)
-chan: used with young girls or to denote affection or cuteness. (e.g. Sora uses “Meiko-chan”, Mimi uses “Hikari-chan”, Daigo uses “Hime-chan”)
-senpai : an upperclassman (e.g. Sora uses “Jou-senpai”)
-sama: very formal (e.g. “Vamdemon-sama”)
-sensei: used with a teacher. (e.g. Taichi uses “Nishijima-sensei”)
surname with no suffix: informal, but distant (e.g. Yamato uses “Mochizuki”)
first name with no suffix: informal; the closest way of adressing someone (Taichi uses “Sora”)
As in English, calling someone by their last name (Mochizuki) is usually more formal than using their given name (Meiko), which is more formal than using a nickname (Meimei). However, depending on the suffix, things can change, so I think “Taichi-san” is more formal than “Yagami-kun”.
In Digimon’s case, the honorifcs used by the characters are related to how close they are to the other person, age differences (in Japan, being just a year older can make someone have seniority), and personality (Koushirou uses -san with everyone but Takeru and Hikari, because he has a very formal manner of speaking; Taichi barely uses suffixes at all).
Sometimes, a change in honorifics signifies a change in relationship between the characters (famously, Sora dropped the -kun when adressing Yamato in Adventure; the way characters adressed Ken changed once he became part of the group). So I think Meiko going from -san to -kun definitely implies the relationship with Taichi becomes closer, or at least less formal.
Because there are so many characters, it would take a while to explain the reasons why everyone uses which honorifics with whom. There used to be a chart explaining how everyone adressed everyone in Adventure and 02. It would be fun if we could see an updated version!
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Ten headcanons for... Tentomon.
OH MAN IT’S TIME TO LOVE A BUG! Headcanons below the cut!
-Don’t ask me why, but Tentomon treats visitors to Koushiro’s home and all working spaces as guests. He tries to function as a… butler/host? But it’s difficult when you have talons and wee bitty arms with only three fingers. He practices pouring and carrying drinks in the tub area using water. Keep trying, Tentomon!
-Tentomon loves Koushiro more than anything in the universe, but he loves his parents, too, especially Kae. Tentomon tries to learn from Kae, so he can help Koushiro remember Important Human Things like buying groceries and cleaning his dishes before they grow mold.
The Izumis have fully embraced Tentomon as a second son. Kae makes a special dinner on Odaiba Memorial Day to thank Tentomon for protecting and loving Koushiro. Tentomon usually cries when they thank him and give him a hug.
-In addition to acting as his… weird… insect… butler, Tentomon is Koushiro’s secretary! “Koushiro-han, you’re meeting with Taichi-han today! Koushiro-han, your mother’s birthday is coming up! Koushiro-han, have you eaten? Koushiro-han, please take a stretch break every forty-five minutes! Koushiro-han, it’s been a while since you’ve called Sora-han!”
Tentomon derives a deep and intense happiness from being helpful to Koushiro.
-Tentomon 1,000,000% tattles on Koushiro when he’s not taking care of himself. He has his own cellphone, a gift from Kae, so he can call for help.
-I have no idea how, but Tentomon is mature and wise among the partner digimon. He spends most of his time watching and helping Koushiro (the two of them almost make one functional human!), but somehow, he’s able to give great advice.
He’s always trying to convince Koushiro that, even if he couldn’t use a computer or solve any problems, he’d still be valid, important, and beloved.
-When Koushiro is looking for a partner, Tentomon encourages him to date and tries to act as a wing man. This is only effective when the target is interested in digimon or has an exceptionally good sense of humor. Using his exposure to Koushiro’s research methods and his own mysterious metrics combined with advice from the Chosen and internet searches, Tentomon tries to grade all of Koushiro’s dates and figure out what went wrong. He proceeds to coach Koushiro through his mistakes, peppered with encouragements and frequent, “You’ll do better next time!”s.
Depending on his mood, Koushiro finds this either amusing, sweet, or obnoxious. There are times when Tentomon’s dating instincts are superior to his, somehow.
When Koushiro lands himself a steady romantic interest, Tentomon is super nervous to meet them and make a good impression.
-Tentomon bawls at Koushiro’s wedding and at the birth of every child.
-There are no words for the depth of Tentomon’s love, and for Koushiro’s appreciation in return. Koushiro is always trying to think of ways to show Tentomon how much he cares, but it’s hard when he’s not so good at The Talking, and digimon don’t have much use for gifts. It takes Koushiro a few years to work himself up to hugging Tentomon and telling him he loves him and he’s grateful for him every day. Tentomon accepts this and never rushes him or feels slighted by his lack of verbal affection.
-When Koushiro was younger, Tentomon was content to nap at his feet while he worked. The older Koushiro grows, the more Tentomon seems to mature with him, and he finds himself interested in helping with his research as much as he can. This usually means caring for Koushiro (bringing him water/food/companions as needed), but eventually, Koushiro and Tentomon work out ways for Tentomon to research, too.
After all of these years watching Koushiro, Tentomon is skilled at gathering and evaluating information. He dives right in.
-Although Tentomon doesn’t always know what to say or what went wrong, he can read a room and tell when Koushiro has made a faux pas. He informs Koushiro and sometimes runs damage control with the offended party, especially if it’s a Chosen that he already knows well. It’s not uncommon for the Chosen to receive a call from Tentomon.
-Where the hell did his kansai-ben come from? Koushiro has tried asking directly and searching manually, but he can’t figure out why Tentomon has this dialect. Heck, he’s still trying to figure out why the digimon speak Japanese. Are they coded to the language of their Chosen partner…? But then, why does Tentomon have kansai-ben when Koushiro doesn’t?!
Koushiro usually ends up drinking when he dives down this rabbit hole.
Koushiro, Tentomon, Jyou, Gomamon, Patamon, Hats the Musical, Gabumon/Agumon, Tailmon, Eimi, Taichi
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Sorry to bother you but I thought you might be the person to ask... surprisingly I couldn't find anything on Google.... In the Japanese version, why does Tentomon refer to Koushiro as Koushiro-han? What does it mean? I feel like I googled it a long time ago and got an answer but I don't remember. Now I am writing a fic and was curious about what the meaning was. I see definitions for every other suffix you can think of, but not that. Sorry if you don't know!
Hi Takatofan! It’s no bother at all!
Tentomon calls Koushiro “Koushiro-han” because he speaks with a Kansai dialect. This is from the Wikipedia page:
In traditional Kansai dialect, the honorific suffix -san is sometimes pronounced -han when -san follows a, e and o; for example, okaasan (“mother”) becomes okaahan, and Satō-san(“Mr. Satō”) becomes Satō-han.
And this is from the “history” section of the Wikipedia page:
As the Tokyo dialect was adopted with the advent of a national education/media standard in Japan, some features and intraregional differences of Kansai dialect have diminished and changed. However, Kansai is the second most populated urban region in Japan after Kantō, with a population of about 20 million, so Kansai dialect is still the most widely spoken, known and influential non-standard Japanese dialect. Kansai dialect’s idioms are sometimes introduced into other dialects and even standard Japanese. Many Kansai people are attached to their own speech and have strong regional rivalry against Tokyo.
Since the Taishō period, the manzai form of Japanese comedy has been developed in Osaka, and a large number of Osaka-based comedians have appeared in Japanese media with Osaka dialect (See also Yoshimoto Kogyo). Because of such associations, Kansai speakers are often viewed as being more funny or talkative than typical speakers of other dialects. Tokyo people even occasionally imitate Kansai dialect to provoke laughter or inject humor.
So I would imagine that the reason Tentomon speaks with a Kansai dialect is because the writers and the actor wanted him to sound like a funny character.
Tentomon’s accent is something that the characters comment on in-universe for humorous moments, which a person would miss if they haven’t seen the original Japanese show. Basically, humans question why Tentomon speaks with a Kansai dialect when none of the other Digimon do, and Tentomon doesn’t have an answer. It’s just one more peculiar thing about the peculiar magical Digital World.
I don’t know any Japanese, and if anyone reading this does, I’d love to hear your view on this topic. This is why I generally avoid using honorifics in my fanfiction; I don’t understand the nuances in the original language, so I just try to write stories that would sound like a “good English dub.” If characters are polite or rude in their original speech, I try to convey that by describing their body language instead.
Hope that’s helpful!
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so I actually don’t remember seeing the Digimon Adventure profiles listed on this site before. :o
They look familiar to me - tbh they read a lot like character profiles as they might have been shown when Adventure was first airing. A lot of it’s right from the first 13 episodes. I have most likely seen these before, and I’m certain the mega fans out there have done these already, but still there were tidbits I’d totally forgotten about!
So even if this wasn’t that last anon’s request, I’m gonna translate them. At the very least, it’s a nostalgia blast!
Taichi:
He's a "I don't like studying but I'm up for all physical activity!" athletic young boy. He's the super active type whose his body moves faster than his mouth. Sometimes he overdoes it and fails, but he never lets it get him down, and optimistically leads his friends on with his inherent courage and energy. He's in the soccer club at his elementary school, where he is their ace striker in spite of being a fifth grader.
“Anyway, let’s go! It’s no use just waiting around here!”
Sora:
An energetic girl with short-cut hair. She doesn't wear skirts and always dresses boyishly. She's got great reflexes and made a "two top" formation with Taichi in the soccer club. But while strong-willed like a guy on the one hand, on the other she's sensitive and considerate of her friends, so she often winds up with a sisterly role in the ragtag group.
"Hey, don't just get all relaxed like that. I'm not going to take responsibility here."
Yamato:
A cool kid who does well in both school and sports. His parents divorced three years ago, and now he and his father are living together. Perhaps because he has a strong sense of responsibility and is overly serious, he tends to be a bit cautious during their adventure in the digital world. Maybe for that reason, he often gets into conflicts with intuitive Taichi. He’s also overprotective of his younger brother Takeru, who lives with their mother. His special skill is playing the harmonica.
“I’m saying we should wait and take stock of the situation for a while! Everyone’s tired!”
Koushirou:
A boy who’s always carrying around his notebook computer and whose number one hobby is using the Internet. He’s very inquisitive, and when he comes a cross a puzzle he becomes totally absorbed in trying to solve it. But when he becomes too engrossed he can miss other problems or dangers in front of him, so he sometimes offends people. He isn’t great with socializing and always refers to everyone as “-san.” He swears he’s bad at physical activity (but is he?).
“Maybe we can solve the mystery. What this world is, who you are...”
Mimi:
She's the number one prettiest girl in Koushirou's class. Basically, she's a soft-hearted, young lady-type who everyone likes, but having been raised in a wealthy family without any cares, she can be a little selfish and irrepsonsibile. She hasn't known hardship, so when something bad happens she has a bad habit of quickly crying about it and relying on someone else. To be plain, she's not very useful, but she has an innocent personality that oddly no one can hate.
"I hate this! I'm going home!"
Jou:
A reliable, serious honors student. Born into an elite family, his future goal is to enter a first-class university. He’s the oldest of the group, so he always feels an obligation to bring the others together as the leader. But due to his indecisiveness and lack of skills, the reality often is it’s emotions only that are spinning his wheels, and he looks like a fool to the others.
"I have to be be strong. I have to bring everyone together."
Takeru:
Yamato's little brother. Since their parents’ divorce, he’s been living with his mother. Because of that, he really adores Yamato, and believes that everything will be okay as long as his brother is here. Although his personality is kind and honest, sometimes he listens to Taichi over his overprotective brother and unknowingly annoys Yamato.
"Yeah! It's summer vacation, so I came to my brother's place to play!"
Hikari:
Taichi's little sister and the eighth Chosen Child. She was supposed to go to camp with the others and journey in the Digimon's world, but she had to stay home due to a cold and was the only one left behind in the real world. Usually she's very kind and cares about her brother, but when a terrible adversary appears she has an inner strength that doesn't waver.
"He's very kind, my big brother."
I’m gonna do the partner Digimon too, but only the bits that I haven’t seen much before, since usually it’s the same stuff regurgitated again and again.
Agumon: He (probably?) inherited his quickfire personality from Taichi, often fighting recklessly to protect him. But he's usually easy and carefree, and the other humans besides often Taichi treat him with friendship.
“I... I will protect Taichi!”
Piyomon: She likes to be coddled, and loves her partner Sora. Her personality is honest and she feels sad when scolded by Sora. She's really not so good at flying, and always competes with Patamon who's at a similar level.
“As long as Sora’s here, I’m not worried!”
Gabumon: He acts tough around his fellow Digimon and humans, but inside he's quite shy, and never takes off his Garurumon pelt (so his real face is a secret).
(When someone tries to take off his fur) “Ah, don’t ever do that!”
Tentomon: His relaxed and friendly personality with everyone maybe makes a surprisingly good combination with Koushirou, who is not good at socializing at all. He keeps up a running commentary as if he knows a lot about Digimon, but there is some good information thrown in. For some reason he speaks in Kansai dialect.
"I’ve never seen a legend before, so I don't know."
Palmon: Her personality clearly shows her emotions and she tends to go at her own pace. Also the way she likes to be spoiled resembles Mimi a lot. Depending on her mood, she can emit different scents from the flower on her head, and she can extend her leaf-like arms to photosynthesize.
“That’s right. Feet that are like roots are great!”
Gomamon: When he gets angry, the red fur on his hair bristles... He's a rascal who meddles with everything he sees, so of course he plays around without really listening to Jou either.
"It's okay, when push comes to shove, I'll help you out."
Patamon: He is particularly amenable compared to other Digimon, and bravely does what he is told. He can fly using his ears, but only at one kilometer an hour, so walking is actually much faster.
“I can fly, look!”
Tailmon: Although it's hard to imagine it based on her cute appearance, but she can take out Greymon and the others light as bean bags... Perhaps because she was in command of the Digimon unit [under Vamdemon]. she sometimes speaks to her fellow Digimon in a commanding tone like a strong-willed older sister.
"My training was different from yours. Alright, let's go, Patamon!"
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lemme tell you guys that when I heard Tentomon’s cute voice... his iconic Kansai dialect....”oh this is Tentomon he showed up and started explaining SO MUCH to me!!! :)” my mouth hurt from how hard I smiled
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