#team crwby

[madmanwonder]

Can’t fool me CRWBY.

[cseni-bean]

Day 2: Jock & Nerd AU

Everyone ditched their clubs just to watch the big game today so Yang wanted to check it out as well...

A certain player might have got a new biggest fan afterwards...

[iamafanofcartoons]

10 years of RWBY...look at how far we've come! Happy 10th anniversary, RWBY! www.twitter.com/OfficialRWBY/status/1683499880537260032

[bumblebyweek-blog]

Dear friends

This is an hard time and we're all processing the news, each their own way. Despite it all, the week will happen.

No, actually, because of this week needs to happen!

Our love for the show and these two girls in particular isn't going to die. We'll keep hosting the event, showing everyone how much we love rwby and bumbleby, because we do. And we encourage you to do the same, as long as you want to of course.

We need to show our love, now more than ever. Which is why, if you will still participate, we highly encourage you to add more tags to your works: #greenlightrwbyvolume10, #SaveTeamRWBY, #SaveRWBY, and #SaveCRWBY.

We want to hope, and we want to fight. And even if that fails, we know our love never will.

Let's show that love and support, now more than ever, to our show and to each other.

[matt0044]

I never liked the “cast bloat” argument or that Team RWBY don’t feel like protagonists.

Now in fairness to the first one, RWBY isn’t the only fantasy series with loads of characters that seem snuggly packed in. Many writing teams or authors want to show off facets of their world via characters born of various fantastical cultures. Y’know? Show and not tell what their world is.

But shows like RWBY can’t all be Shonen Manga designed to go on for as long as possible or at least as long as editorial wants. Especially in the age of eight episode seasons. That said, even if it’s a glimpse, I always appreciate when the world of Remnant does not stop nor end at four girls still figuring themselves out.

With Hunter X Hunter, Gon may be the face of the series with Killua as his number two but you also have Kurapika take center stage in their individual arcs like Yorknew or Leoreo sharing one with Killua in the Election arc. And even then, we will have other perspectives in any given arc.

The Chimera Ants may be the antagonists in a very fan favorite arc but they’re borderline protagonists of their own stories. Hell, Gon doesn’t even face off with the big bad but rather one he has a personal score to settle with. Instead a bunch of old mentor type characters take out the Chimera King.

RWBY clearly learned from Shonen Anime that the world doesn’t have to stop or end at the main character. After Dragon Ball, titles inspired by it afforded other characters to have their own time in the limelight rather than be purely foils for the main character.

Raven vs Cinder is relevant to them because they are important characters even if none of the titular characters are there to witness it. Furthermore, Cinder as a Maiden is connected to Ruby, Winter to Weiss, Yang to Raven, I bet the Summer Maiden will be close to Blake.

Basically, this choice keeps the world from shrinking and feel big, lived in.

And it’s hardly unique in this regard as Trixie The Golden Witch explains in her video: Is There Meaning In "Subverting" Shounen Tropes?

To argue against Team RWBY supposedly not feeling like protagonists, sometimes titular characters can feel too much like protagonists. I have been rereading Harry Potter to sort out my feelings regarding Rowling crowning herself TERF Queen. To keep it relevant, I have found the Harry only perspective both effective and limiting.

It’s effective at making the dramatic parts hit us hard as if we were in Harry’s shoes buuuuut it can feel limiting when there’s a whole school of magic with students of all sorts to get to know. It feels like there were potential side stories that could flesh out Hogwarts.

A similar criticism is often lobbed at Steven Universe. Effective but often limiting.

So… I prefer a cast bloat to there being no other characters for Team RWBY to bounce off of whether the budget calls for it or not. They call them character foils for a reason.

Circling back to RWBY, some characters are there for as long as they need to so they make the most of things to make an impression. If not, discourse would become how flat they are.

The Ace-Ops inform us of how huntsmen as basically super cops in Atlas, building up to Ironwood’s downfall. The Afterans inform us of the eccentricities of the Ever After.

Hell, who says we’ll never see them again be it in the main show or supplementary content? This provides such fertile grounds for fan content alone or future spin offs.

[tecnestheim962]

I just started reading the second book of RWBY: After the Fall, and I don’t know about any of you, but I am in love with Professor Rumpole. And every time I look at any new content from this show, I am reminded of the many reasons why I love it.

She has such a fascinating and wonderful view of history. And I believe a lot of what the professors say in the show and in these books, or any small, subtle statement about their society is a reflection of how the writers see things in our own world.

And what a beautiful perspective they have.

I lovvee professors like this, ones that facilitate discussion, ones that don’t necessarily present the things we have been told as facts, ones that recognize that everything in this world is subjective and prone to misunderstanding without context. Ugh the writing!

[thornsofrosesdumps]

Parenting problems, team STRQ addition.

(Yang has done something bad and team STRQ who between all of them have enough CPTSD to put a therapist into retirement early in America have to figure out how to parent)

Summer: Alright, we have to figure out how to discipline a child.

Raven: We could leave her outside for the night?

summer: NO! Brothers! No! That’s not a normal healthy thing for her development!

Qrow: We could not give her dinner?

Summer: No! Again! Bad she needs to eat.

summer:okay uh, we could force her to do runs all day?

Qrow: that doesn’t sound healthy either

Summer: Brothers, Tai, you’ve been weirdly quite any ideas?

Taiyang: my dad used to lock me in the fireplace while it was still burning when I was bad to train my aura?

(everyone stares at him Beacsue he’s supposed to be the one with the healthy happy childhood)

Raven: What the fuck.

Qrow:I second that, what the fuck.

Summer: uh, thirding that what the fuck.

[paintsplash1712]

RWBY'S COMING BACK!

Thank you Viz Media

[birder-of-remnant]

Discussing Why Ironwood's Plan Would Fail

For years, I have avoided Ironwood debates. Whether you agree with Ironwood or with Team RWBY, you cannot deny that he is a complex character with an intricate character arc. But in this post, I am not here to argue whether his actions were right or wrong in principle. I have a complicated opinion on this, which I am not going to share or discuss. Instead, I will focus on why Ironwood's plan to raise Atlas out of Salem's reach was most likely doomed to fail regardless of what he did. Some of these arguments are based on known facts about the RWBY universe. Others are based on speculation. I will do my best to keep this concise, but the flaws in his plan are many, and the details are complicated. In general, they fall into the following categories:

Raising Atlas - Could he even summon Ambrosius?

Could he truly escape Salem's reach? a. How high is high enough b. Grimm evolution c. Recreating the Amity Project d. The other Relics

Survival in the sky a. Oxygen b. Water c. Food supply, diversity, and resilience

Dust, energy (or lack of), and supplies

Civil order

It's always a bad sign when you see a friggin Table of Contents in what is supposed to be a Tumblr post (not an essay). But, if you are curious, then read on.

Raising Atlas - Could Ironwood actually summon Ambrosius?

Before we even discuss whether they could actually survive in high atmosphere as Ironwood claims, we first need to address whether they could even get there. Throughout Volume 8, it is clear that Salem is always one step ahead of Ironwood, and this is no exception. Salem knew that to use the relics, she not only needed a maiden capable of retrieving them but also the password that would summon them. But Ironwood's planning stopped at retrieving the relic. Even if Penny had opened the vault and given him the staff, it is doubtful that Ironwood would know how to use it. Is it possible that Ozpin told Ironwood the password some prior time? Maybe. Could some prior incarnation of Ozma have entrusted the password to the headmaster's station so they could unilaterally use the staff in a crisis? Maybe. But extremely unlikely. If there is one thing that is clear about Ozpin, it is his penchant for secrets. It is extremely unlikely that pre-volume 8 Ozpin would have entrusted anyone with the secrets of the relics. Ironwood would not have been able to summon Ambrosius, and I highly doubt the staff has a toggle button on the side for increasing power output. Simply moving the staff also doesn't seem to affect Atlas's height either. No, even if Ironwood had the staff, he would still have needed to torture or blackmail Ozpin into giving up the secret (keeping in mind that, as far as he knew, Oz was still locked away in Oscar's mind). Funny how this simple requirement is so often ignored by the Ironwood-was-right camp.

Could Ironwood truly escape Salem's reach?

How High is High Enough? The idea was to raise Atlas's height enough that the Grimm could not reach them but not so high that dust loses its effect (as a recap, dust does not work in the high atmosphere or in orbit, hence why satellite technology doesn't exist). There are two reasons why Grimm may only fly so high. First, they can only survive up to a certain height. Second, they physically cannot reach a certain altitude. Let's start with the former. There are only two reasons that I can think of why Grimm cannot survive at certain altitudes. First, like dust, they cannot sustain their essence beyond Remnant's atmosphere. But again, Atlas would have to be below this point for their technology to work, so we can throw out this possibility. Two, there is not enough oxygen. Do Grimm even need oxygen? We know from World of Remnant that they do not need to eat, they just like to (or at least, that is the prevailing theory). I will get into this in the next section. But regarding whether they can reach these altitudes, that is no problem. On Earth, the factor limiting how high birds can fly is not ability but oxygen. Bar-headed geese can fly over Mt Everest and are only limited by the amount of oxygen. If oxygen was not an issue for the Grimm, they could likely fly quite high into the atmosphere. How high? I don't know, it depends whether they are using gravity dust, pushing against the air, or using some type of reaction-based propulsion. The following arguments are more speculative than substantial, but they would need to be addressed regardless.

Grimm evolution Regardless of whatever limitations the Grimm may currently have, it is dangerous to assume that they will always be constrained by these limits. As the saying goes, generals always prepare for the last war. The continent of Solitas was settled for a reason: the Grimm couldn't survive there. Hunger and cold were the greatest threats to the early settlers of Mantle. But over time, the Grimm evolved the ability to withstand the harsh cold of Solitas so that they could continue to hunt down humanity, no matter which desolate corner they sought to hide in. And this is not the only case of Grimm evolution that we have seen. We have seen Salem modify Grimm on-screen. In the World of Remnant, they even mention how new kinds of Grimm are discovered almost daily. That may be an exaggeration, but who is to say that the Grimm could not evolve to chase their query into the sky? After all, the Grimm may never have been documented flying that high, but there also hasn't been a selective pressure for them to do so.

Recreating the Amity Project If Grimm evolution was impossible, there is another option Salem could pursue. In short, enslaving humanity and forcing them to recreate the technology used for the Amity Project. The project was designed to lift Amity Arena to heights equivalent to what Ironwood envisioned for Atlas, indicating that it is possible even without the staff. With enough time (and remember, time is always on Salem's side), Salem would inevitably acquire the means to do so herself.

The Other Relics Could Salem use the other relics (presuming that she has tortured their passwords out of Ozma, which given enough time, would inevitably happen) to pull Atlas from the sky? Maybe. But out of all of my arguments, this is perhaps the most tenuous. I will keep this brief. The Relic of Knowledge could provide her with a method for doing so (if it is possible). The Sword of Destruction is the opposite of the Staff. Could it neutralize the effects of the Staff, canceling each other out, much to Atlas's demise? Maybe, but it is uncertain. It is also uncertain whether the staff and sword used by the King of Vale in the final battle of The Great War were these relics and, if so, how they are used. Finally, it is uncertain whether the Relic of Choice could be used to force the people of Atlas to descend against their wills. Some people suggest that the relic appears in the RWBY fairytale, 'The Indecisive King'. But while potent, the power described in the fairytale would not warrant the extra caution that Ozma placed in hiding that particular relic, which he considered the most dangerous in the hands of Salem. Regardless, this is all speculative and not worth further discussion.

In summary, there is considerable uncertainty in Ironwood's claim that he could forever escape Salem's reach. The discussion points above may be speculative, but they provide important considerations that could have threatened Ironwood's plan. However, it also assumes that they could even survive at these altitudes. Ironwood seems to believe so with the usual certainty carried by those who believe that technology can solve any problem. But can his technocentric belief in Atlas's climate system really hold up to scrutiny?

3. Survival in the Sky (Note: I realized after writing all this that there was a Reddit post rehashing these same arguments, I'll link it in the comments).

Oxygen Let's start by reviewing what we know about Atlas's life support and agricultural systems. It is unknown how exactly Atlas can create a climate-controlled area capable of growing crops and allowing people to lounge outside in short-sleeves in an otherwise frozen landscape. But regardless, it is unlikely that it can actually control the chemical composition of the air they breathe. Again, we assume that Grimm can fly at least as high as bar-headed geese, who are only limited by oxygen availability. Whatever height Atlas would need to reach would have to be hypoxic. While Atlas can clearly control its climate to some degree, its system would have been designed to regulate temperature, not oxygen availability. Could they install CO2 scrubbers to purify the air? Not within that massive space. Even if that technology existed, it would be restricted to fringe applications such as deep sea exploration, not sustaining human life in high atmosphere. Nor could it be built instantly. Could they use natural processes? While they have plant life, it would not be enough to create a livable biosphere. Especially if it is dark for half of the year, as we may expect for such a northern kingdom (depending on how Remnant actually rotates its sun).

Water To get high enough to escape the Grimm, they would need to rise beyond the clouds into a zone with very little water vapor. They would be unable to collect water vapor from the atmosphere without sending drones down to the surface, which is infeasible, as I'll explain later under 'Dust.' This means that they would need to recycle every last drop of water that they bring with them. They did not have time to prepare for this, nor would they have the setup or means to do it. Regardless of how good their climate control system is, I doubt it is water-proof. Water would inevitably evaporate out of Atlas. They wouldn't have enough water to support human life, much less grow crops.

Food Supply, Diversity, and Resilience I had prepared a long essay about this subject, but let me be straight to the point: Atlas's agricultural system is not up to snuff for supporting human life for even a short period, much less in perpetuity. It is difficult to calculate the amount of land they would need to support Atlas without knowing their population, but it would be much more than the small tracks of farmland shown in the diagrams. Atlas is a kingdom reliant on trade with other kingdoms for its survival. They trade technology and dust in return for food and other supplies lacking in the tundra. While their impressive agricultural system could supplement their food availability, it must be bigger to provide for the entire city. Especially if it is dark for part of the year (although they could have Ambrosius move the city around the globe, placing it wherever the light shone). And from what we could see on screen, most of the farmland consisted of grain monocultures. Here are the problems with this system in a nutshell: A. Not enough nutritional diversity - malnutrition would be a significant threat. B. Feast-or-famine dynamics - monocultures only provide food at specific times of the year, requiring storage capacity for the lean times beyond what Atlas is big enough to support. C. Low resilience - relying entirely on a single crop raises significant threats, as the Irish can tell you. A polyculture would be required to remain viable in the long term. D. Soil conservation - like with water, they would also need to conserve every particle of soil since they aren't getting any more. Monocultures are terrible at retaining topsoil; they would need very aggressive soil conservation measures (including an elaborate polyculture system) to minimize soil loss.

Energy

Even if Ironwood could lift Atlas beyond Salem's reach forever AND even if they could support a sustainable biosphere capable of sustaining life, there is one significant problem: energy. Not only would they need dust to maintain their technology and way of life, but even to support such elaborate life support systems. A few people out harvesting wheat using scythes isn't going to work. Isolated in the sky, Atlas would have no way to acquire or process dust. Nuclear fusion could potentially give them enough power, but considering how reliant they are on dust, it is doubtful they have that technology. The only semi-viable solution would be to use Ambrosius to move Atlas around in such a way that collects energy from the environment (for example, powering wind turbines or even converting potential energy from gravity into usable energy that would not disappear as soon as Ambrosius created something different, like they did with Penny). But this is still highly dubious. And regardless, they would be restricted to whatever materials they had lying around Atlas. They could not exactly go down to Remnant to mine for rare earth minerals. Overall, they would be in serious trouble without dust.

Civil Order

Again, I will keep this briefer than I had intended. But even if they defied the odds and created a self-sustaining system, society could only do so if it was organized, cooperative, and peaceful. However, small systems are prone to failure. This is a recurring theme in the Theory of Island Biogeography and within human history. Remember, Atlas is a system built upon inequality. The people of Atlas could enjoy such luxuries because their wealth was directly or indirectly built upon the labor of lower-class citizens (Mantle) or lucrative trade with other kingdoms. After launching into the atmosphere, everything would change. The capitalistic system they had built would crumble and be replaced with a military autocracy. It is not certain whether Ironwood would have voluntarily ended martial law and restored any type of civil government. But based on his unstable paranoia and belief that only he could make the hard choices necessary, it is very unlikely. Especially if they were slowly dying of dehydration. The social structure of Atlas would collapse. One of the myriad problems with an autocracy is that they are inherently unstable. Order may be harshly imposed for a while, squashing any dissent; but there would inevitably be a power vacuum. It might be immediately or in the distant future. But it would happen eventually. Many people idolize Ironwood because he is a strong man who seems to bring order and control. Just as we saw in Ren's deference to him (and as we see in parts of the fandom). But a society built upon such a violent principle cannot stand indefinitely. Given enough time, Atlas would either need to descend back to Remnant or they would kill themselves.

I could go on about this, but I have rambled enough. Most likely, I have forgotten other poignant problems with Ironwood's plan. But feel free to add your own input. Thanks for reading!

[bobauthorman]

Just to remind everyone that I am still writing my TMNT x RWBY crossover.

But just for fun, if the cliche comic book 'heroes throw down for some convoluted reason' event happens, who would win?

For this match up to be even, let's say that the Turtles have the mystic powers they had during the TMNT 2003 "Demon Shredder" arc, AKA, the fifth season, but they only have their normal weapons, not the mystic ones.

[tumblingxelian]

RWBY & the Writers Plan?

Lots of people think and theorize on what CRWBY have planned to conclude RWBY's overall story and it is fun to theorize and read people's ideas!

A trend trend I've seen is for a subversive or deconstructive ending.

I won't outline anyone's specific ideas, but most involve avoiding the expected climactic battles in favor of words or work arounds, or a "the story goes on" vibe. This isn't in of itself bad, but I do have some thoughts.

I think people are far and a way too wrapped up on RWBY's opening monologue and "There will be no victory in strength" just as they were previously too wrapped up in the "A smaller, more honest soul" line.

Why? Because Salem & Ozpin are narrating, but they are also having a conversation and above all they are fallible characters within the narrative of RWBY, not omnipresent observers telling us the stories theme.

What's more, we already know what Ozpin meant by a smaller more honest soul. IE, his ideals of martyrdom & lone heroes on pedestals inspiring comfort in others & we see exactly how it turned out. Really badly.

Similarly, people assume Salem is talking only in the thematic sense as opposed to about Hunters, or machine armies, Maidens, guardians ETC, but she was, that's what the Divide clap back was about.

RWBY is indeed deconstructive and a story about stories and overall very clever, but it is also an action show where sometimes tragic villains get their asses beat, and some unsympathetic power houses get killed.

I don't know how RWBY will end, but I feel ignoring avoiding what RWBY is when theorizing ending scenarios doesn't do a theorist any favors in the long run, if only because cutting it out feels shortsighted.

[cseni-bean]

Day 4: Nomad Blake & Farm Girl Yang

Slight change I wanted to draw Rouge Blake soooo she is a Rouge now

She cornered Yang at her barn after she noticed someone was living on her loft Blake is a ran away getting temporary cover in the barn considering that she is a wanted woman.

How will they get out of this now? 👀

The answer is that Yang decided to help her out in exchange that Blake will help around before the biggest market of the season because she is lonely on her farm ever since Ruby left dungeoning

She denies that she is lonely tho

Blake is... warming up to her rather quickly

[sunderedroses]

tried to make a ruby-less version of the painting in the volume 9 intro

here you go!

i couldn’t get the best quality screenshots even from the youtube upload :( hopefully the official is out soon!

official art by Erin Winn

(@ ErinMWinn on twitter)

if i somehow make a higher quality version i’ll post it on my twitter @ rainyloona !

[matt0044]

RWBY doesn’t need a “reboot.”

It can do with a “Star Wars: Special Edition” treatment.

Look, we all like to think of a clean slate for RWBY to start out on but we crossed that Rubicon years ago. Volume Ten is coming, like it or not. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t add onto what came before.

So feeling on Jaundice are… mixed but my view had always been that what was lacking was an episode for Yang and Blake as well as Nora and Ren. Imagine if they re-released a special edition of RWBY with deleted scenes animated and reintroduced along with more stories of any given era?

Jaune wouldn’t feel like he’s “stealing” screentime from anyone if we see other characters get their own stories big or small. Furthermore, it would help highlight aspects of Renmant.

Mind you, if they could get a second animation team to contribute, they may or may not need to wait for the grand finale.

Like... too many don't seem to realize that rebooting RWBY in any way will alienate not only the fans who like it currently as is... but also them.

Because even if it's refined in its writing and animation on a technical level, there's no chance that it will just appeal to everybody, everywhere all at once. Because, and I use this cliche unironically, there is NO accounting for taste.

New writers take over. Okay. Will they share the same sentiments as those currently clamoring for a reboot? Will they kowtow to those fans... or have their own vision they wish to execute? One that will inevitably rub a vocal portion the wrong way.

A story can be good technically but just... not do it for you. It's why a lot of comic book runs are more infamous than others. Writers clash over what's good for the characters. A clash that WILL have a knock on effect on fan reception.

[fadedneonzzz]

Kiersi Burkhart has confirmed that Team FNKI has indeed survived the Fall of Atlas. While it’s not a huge revelation, it’s nice to hear that Flynt and Neon survived.

Also I asked her opinion of Cinder. I find it interesting that CRWBY seems to have a pretty high opinion of Cinder compared to the fandom at large. Though I’d be surprised if they genuinely hated any characters they work on. And I don’t mean in a “I love to hate them” kind of way.

[thornsofrosesdumps]

I had a vision

this is cannon.