#tar vizsla

[hobbitkiller]

I know it’s a moot point now, but, as far as the official canon story of the Darksaber goes, the whole “Sabine/Bo/whoever didn’t have a right to it because Sabine didn’t win it from the previous owner” elder wand BS is so stupid. Because, as far as I can tell, canonically, no one won it from Tar Vizsla. They just stole it from the Jedi temple after he died. So, if all claims stemming from someone not winning the saber from the previous owner in combat are illegitimate, that means that no one has ever had a legitimate claim to the Darksaber.

Or, it could be that the Darksaber isn’t the Elder Wand and the rules are completely made up and Mandalore is probably better off now that it’s gone.

[ice-6caydesqueen]

You know what the sad truth is tar vizsla was probably killed by the Jedi trying to defend his brothers and sisters after revans passing and his son and the other members of his team that’s the sad irony I guess that’s probably another reason why they hate the republic so much in swtor but that’s just my headcannon

[izzyovercoffee]

It’s meaningful, it’s important, to see that Tar(re) Vizsla, remembered as he was, was given a tower of a statue to withstand the ages (in a green that makes me think of the Lady Liberty, but that’s besides the point ... or maybe that underlines it, depending on how you see it) that would be described, by the masterful art expert herself, as a symbol of “History, and Hope.”

(Tarre Vizsla was no tyrant, someone says desperately to House Vizsla as it is, now, in comparison to what it was---History, and Hope are not the words of Legacy for a murderer. The shackles both a crown and a noose prevent him from watching, until a couple of teenage hooligans come along and blow everyone away. Make no mistake---Mandalore’s dead leaders love juvenile delinquents. They’re the only ones who see into the future for what it should be, instead of what it is.)

In times of great difficulty on Mandalore---of yet another endless war, and strife, with no end to the fighting in sight, overrun and invaded by the Empire who sought to destroy them from their culture souls inside out---to have two mandalorian children (because that’s what they are, barely adults, teenagers who are made to do adult things and fight in adult wars that went on well before either of them were born) free a long dead man from the shackles around him is everything.

(Did you just apologize to a statue? yes, of course she did---because the dead still hear, the ancestors still watch, and the stars stare balefully unblinking across time. She doesn’t need proof to know, only see the writing on the walls, the scars on the world, the ashes on her dreams.)

She freed him with his very saber---the very one that was lost to time, and war, and war, and war again, before swallowed into a pit of madness darker than its blade ... only to be spat out with luck (and love) into the hands of a child someday a young woman but today a teenager who was accidentally present. 

(There are no accidents, in the Force. There are no accidents, under the stars.)

History, you know, repeats itself if it is not watched carefully---and rarely does anyone want to put in the effort to watch it, much less do so carefully. It’s just funny, in a way, to watch as yet another bunch of teenagers lead the long walk to free Mandalore from the shackles of an unfair galaxy. 

[jediite]

Weaselpants crazy, where has that term been all my life!?

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I’m picturing Tar Vizsla as the kind of nerd who’s like “I’m going to completely revolutionize the lightsaber, check out my awesome diagrams” and that’s how the Darksaber came into being, after Tar nearly vaporized himself with like sixty different preceding versions.  While his cohortmates and masters were all “buddy…you’re going to die, are you sure you don’t just want to go with the classic?” “NO I HAVE A VISION.”  “You’re not going to have any vision if that thing blows up in your face again.”

[forrmandalore]

someday the mandalorian fans are going to learn that the kotor games are about the aftermath of the jedi-mandalorian war and then we’ll all be in trouble

[getthrawnin]

Leans back with crossed arms to watch hologram. Examines its parameters in lighting, language usage and color differentiation in 3 dimensions. Thrawn knows the individuals in the hologram and he knows of this “Darksaber lightsaber” and shrugs from its display by the Jedi. He knows the history of who had it last, a Maul, suspected to be dead somewhere on the Outer Rim. But after the mythology of the Darksaber spoken eloquently by Fenn Rau, Thrawn allows the words to dissolve in his mind to understand the truth of Rau’s words. He deductively asks what resonates in his mind from the Mandalorian myth. ”Is this ‘Tarre Vizsla’ really dead?”

(via https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oQgFKYbo3w)

[theethird]

Crazy Star Wars Theory Time - Tar Viszla and the Edgiest Saber

So to sum this post up, Tarre Viszla is the retconned Tor Viszla, or part of a larger origin story for two differing ideologies among Mandalorians. And his saber is proof that crystals are a lot smarter than we give them credit for in SW. Here we go. SPOILERS OBVIOUSLY. So Tarre Viszla was announced in Rebels as the first and possibly only Mandalorian Jedi in the history of the order, who befitting his status created a unique lightsaber that his descendants would later steal and use as a rallying symbol for the clans after his death. Now to deviate for a moment, Tor Viszla was the foil to the heroic Jaster Mereel of SW Legends lore, the antithesis of everything honorable about a Mandalorian. Tor was the creator of the Death Watch, a group that he felt honored the old ways of the Mandalorians from their warring and raiding days,while Jaster was a firm believer in the honorable ideals of his people, fitting his status as a Protector and eventual mentor of iconic Mandalorian (now a supposed pretender), Jango Fett. Now this is where things get tricky. So we know from Mando'a that the word Tor means justice, and the color for justice in Mandalorian culture is Black. What color is the Darksaber? Black. Let's take it a step further. Let's assume for a moment that Tor and Tarre exist along the same timeline, and that Tor was the descendant who claimed the blade from its resting place in the Temple, a callback to his name. It would make sense that perhaps Tor didn't have the full story about his father or ancestor and simply saw him as a wayward mandalorian who created a weapon worthy of his people's fealty. And obviously no one but the Jedi would have the full story considering they kept his saber locked away after his death, which suggests he was either buried in the temple in honor or that they kept his discovery under lock and key because of how it could be used. Switching lanes for a moment here, let's examine the colors of lightsabers, now that we know that all kyber crystals are white until they tune to their users alignment with the Force and possible motivation. In our world color mixing has a few rules but when it regards black and white it gets interesting. White is all lights combined, but is the absence of color (in paint). Black is all colors (in paint) combined, but is the absence of light. We know that Red sabers come from forcing the darkside into a crystal and thus making it bleed, and we know that the most common colors were Blue and Green, which if their users are any indication, Blue was more for physical Jedi (ex - Young Obi, Anakin, Ezra's first blade, etc) while Green was reserved for those more mental in focus (ex - Qui-Gon, Yoda, Luke's actual lightsaber) We also know that white sabers can only come from purifying crystals but can also signify ones search for balance in the Force, such as Ahsoka who no longer saw herself as a Jedi, but clung to the light even while walking alone. Her experience on Mortis with the darkside, though removed from her memories, left her touched, as the Convor is proof of, and her choice to follow the light beyond the boundaries of the order all play into her saber colors being white when she makes her second set. Touching more on this color theory for a second, Mace attuned his crystal to purple which in Legends can be attributed to either side, and if color blending is to be trusted, is a balance of Red and Blue, which fits his physical saber style that draws from the darkness to serve the light (red into blue) rather than seeking a balance like Ahsoka's which would cause her to negate the darkness in the crystal with her innate light. Going a step further, while Yellow is a primary color, it isn't a principle saber color, meaning we'd have to cross red and green to get there and if what we know of yellow saber users in either canon is true, it is either the natural state of the crystal/saber, or an indication of a user seeking to defend the light with a passion that toes the line. We have Bastila who is more mental in her focus of the Force, but is easily turned dark due to her passion for both the order and Revan being used against her by Malak, we have the Temple guardians, one of whom fell to darkness and became the Grand Inquisitor due to unknown circumstances, only to be redeemed by Kanan which is confirmed from beyond the grave when he knights him later on. So by now we know that crystals can be tuned to a different color if taken by a user from opposing ends of the spectrum, but typically only end up as white or possibly yellow, as purple was a rare case. Going back to Viszla, it is possible to surmise that in his forming of a lightsaber he may have sought to balance his heritage with his teachings, or sought to combine his knowledge of weapon making from his people with his knowledge of the Force. I like to suggest that he crafted the Darksaber using beskar in some portion to act as a focusing element for the crystal, which would explain it's sharp katana like shape and possibly its cracked appearance on the blade. But also going on what we know of colors, in that white is the presence of light but the absence of color and black is the absence of light but the presence of all colors, and that in lightsaber color mixing, hues can show alignment to a side or an ideology, where Ahsokas white sabers are a reflection of her pure light nature but the rejection of any ideology but her own, Tarre's could have been an acknowledgment of his combination of all martial styles on either side, but an absence of light for the most part. Now this gets even more complicated considering that he was a Jedi who did not fall to the darkside according to records, but could've left the order at some point, or possibly left and was taken down with the official records altered to hide his discovery. Whatever the case, let's assume that Tarre was honorable because the Jedi kept his blade, but not only that, but because of the presence of white light on his dark blade. You're probably thinking, well it needs a white outline to make it visible, so that's a technicality, and that's right, from a certain point of view. But let's assume that the darksaber is designed much like a black hole, and that it feeds on the pure Force presence in all beings, regardless of sensitivity or not. The white streaks are an indication that this crystal was not made to bleed, but instead it was created as an anti Jedi countermeasure from within the order. It would fit the idea that Mandalorian technology is perpetuated by a need to overcome the Force, even in the hands of one who could wield it, and that a sentient crystal could sense the purpose of a young Jedi from a culture opposed to the Force simply because of circumstance. It is no coincidence then that the color of a saber this unique would be Black, the color of justice in his own culture, potentially meant to be used by anyone willing to train to use it effectively, to level the playing field against the Force users warring over balance in the galaxy. Back to the name. and this part is pure my idea on the subject. This was easy simply because, Tor and Tarre are very similar sounding and initially many sites wrote Tarre as just Tar. I'm certain that Filoni in his research of existing mandalorian canon before the EU purge saw the name of the leader of the Death Watch and saw an opportunity to take that name and give it a greater purpose. Like rewriting it and attaching it to a Mandalorian Jedi who could've found out the truth of who he was when the war against his own people was in full swing, causing him to abandon the order long enough to learn the truth about both sides, only to return to battle to stop the war on the side of the Jedi but possibly at the cost of his own life, creating a legend among his own people of his blade, worthy to be wielded by one destined to lead Mandalore in its revenge against the Jedi. I mean if you're going to try and canonize KOTOR without Revan, why not just kill two birds with one stone. Give Revan a new name and angle for leaving the order that removes the godhood but keeps the mythic nature of that eras hero in a new form. Also explains a Jedi in a Mandalorian mask. And if you wanna take it a step further, let's look at the legacy of the Viszla clan, always a step away from leadership, but always in the business of creating weapons for the advancement of their people, whether they be literal (Tarre and Sabine) or ideological, like the Death Watch (as founded by Tor* and led by Pre Viszla) yet always having these weapons used against them. It creates a scenario where Sabine inheriting the Darksaber but finally using it to unite her people and give it to a rightful heir that can strike back at the darkside of the Force, attaining justice for all Mandalorians, is the fulfilment of a larger legacy, something that SW is big on. And for extra kicks, if the darksaber eventually ends up in the hands of a certain Fett, whose father is considered a false Mandalorian, and he becomes Mandalore, it brings the EU story of Jango to a vindication point, where a semi factual origin story frames the struggle between honor and pride in a warrior race capable enough without the Force to challenge the Jedi and Sith. So yeah, that's my crazy idea, and hopefully if I'm right, we can all look at this as a moment when an outsider called it on the nose. Or we can laugh at the silly fan fiction when I'm wrong. Either way that's the beauty of SW. So much lore not enough budget or time to do it all. Color Theory comes from Reddit user AndreLoga General Theory of Lightsaber Color https://www.reddit.com/r/starwarsspeculation/comments/5vu0g1/general_theory_of_lightsaber_color/?ref=search_posts

[bzdsentai]

It really goes to show how extra the Mandalorians are that the first of them to be made a Jedi went “fuck lightsabers and their bright colors, I’m giving my lightsaber a black blade that’s shaped like a real sword blade and calling it the Darksaber. That’ll show everyone just how awesome I am.”

[swan2swan]

I actually really want to get Tar Vizsla's story because I am pretty sure that he was the only Mandalorian to CHOOSE to be a Jedi. Think about it: The odds of there being only one Force-sensitive Mandalorian are slim to none. Odds are that if the Jedi learned of a Force-sensitive Mandalorian and tried to recruit them, the parents said "No. We will teach them the ways of OUR clan." They probably became formidable warriors, too. Especially considering the history between the two, Mandalorian parents would LOATHE the idea of sending their children off to join the Jedi. All of this means that either Tar's parents respected him enough to break tradition and send him off, or he fought for his own destiny and made his own decision. And considering the Jedi Council's stance on age, that decision would have had to be made at a very young age. So I don't care how much of a terrible OC he is, I want his story.

[jlassijlali]

"We didn't, this was one of a kind. Legend tells that it was created over a thousand years ago by Tar Vizsla, the first Mandalorian ever inducted into the Jedi Order. After his passing, the Jedi kept the saber in their temple. That was until members of House Vizsla snuck in and liberated it. They used the saber to unify the people and strike down those who would have opposed them. One time, they ruled all of Mandalore wielding this blade."

[neitherclosenorfar]

Maybe it’s just my “too good to be true” radar pinging, but I really hope this Tar Vizla guy turns out to be a legend that evolved out of control, or a loser with a knack for building lightsabers but no combat ability or something. There’s gotta be a twist. Every myth has a footnote or twelve attached to it, and there’s no way that little tall tale went down without some sort of catch, whether it was him getting assassinated by his own people, dying an undignified death, or being an actual monster, or what have you. At the very least existing in the middle of the Mandalorian/Jedi conflict opens up a lot of room for moral ambiguity and failure, and the fact that his sword ended up with the Order but his family stole it back is... telling. 

[avatarpabu97]

Jedi or Mandalorian Snippet 3

 From here on out were going non liner for this.

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 What happened? Where was everyone? All their was ash and stone corpses. Where was the Jedi, the mandalorians, the mandalorian knights? Where was his master? Where was Revan? Was he crying, he didn't know? All he wanted was his master? Would Bastila welcome him in open arms like she used to before?  He was acting like a child who was crying out for his parents but he was a child and his real parents probably wouldn't even welcome back?

“Kid! Hey kid, come on I’ll take you back to your ship.” Ordo was trying to get the shell-shocked teen. He needed answers for this otherworldly carnage. Vizsla was a Jedi so, he’ll know. He has to know. Right now they just needed to get off this damn planet!

[izzyovercoffee]

I can’t help but think about it now---how often has Tarre had to say, to argue, to proclaim to any who would listen: “I am not a war.”

Yes, in his chest beats a heart that roars for his people. In his veins sings the blood of ancients, the stuff of stars, from where his people come and where they will return. 

It is the stars that bore this universe and it is to the stars all will finally end, bound together in the fury, the rage, the chaotic confusion and the mess that life brings.

“I am not a war,” he beats his fist against the heart of his armor in the midst of battle, soul-deep in blood, and yes, war, all around him. Caught up in it, raised and lessoned in two worlds of combat and mis-education, of Jedi and Mandalore twisted as knots protected by beskar plates and armored robes alike.

Caught up in tradition, broken from transition to find another path, another way, only to be brought to violence again for what he offers and what they need. 

He excels when he needs to because he needs to, but, “I am not a war” pleads from his scars. The long, long history of his suffering written as epic in long, dark, broad strokes sing his songs into forever under his skin. 

Gentle hands rough-worn from a different war on his arms as he tries to breathe through the horror that memories bring. He is not a thousand years old, not yet, but a thousand years war ended with his entrance and he is left with nothing but names and faces cut from this galaxy too early, too early. Names and faces he cut from this galaxy too soon, too soon. 

“I am not a war,” but he wars within himself even as he buries it in the aftermath of a broken galaxy made more broken by no right side except the living Force. 

His people scattered and finished, again and again, by their living war, their philosophies an endless contentious combat of who is more right, more wrong, more mandalorian, not mandalorian enough. His people unified as a man that looks and sounds and acts and lives as him in his skin welds them together with peace and by violence, by the dark light of his saber.

An embodiment of justice, Justice itself made man, made flesh, made mandalorian.

Justice made Legend in iron skin not quite as dark as his saber, but dark as the night sky with a glow of stars that shine when he is seen indirectly. He looks as Justice should look, feels as Justice should feel, unites as Justice would, and should. 

But he is not a war, no matter what the songs may say. 

[rebelsofshield]

If we get more Tales of the Jedi, I really want to see them use it as an avenue to explore Jedi whose stories either have massive open areas of story to cover or we haven’t really touched on at all. Like, I would love to see a few installments about Finn. Maybe the first episode is a time as a Stormtrooper when he felt the Force. Second is that moment between TLJ and TROS when he fully realizes he is Force sensitive and decides that he needs to tell Rey. And the final could be a glimpse into his training under Rey and a gesture towards what he might be doing in the future. He’s a character who would fall under the Jedi label who has those blank spaces that could be filled in. I think part of the reason the Ahsoka stories are so much less satisfying for me is that only one of them is actually new material and we don’t even really learn much about her there that’s new. So please, I would really rather not get any episodes about Obi-Wan, Rey, Luke, Anakin, Qui-Gon, Ezra, or Yoda. I’d love to see Quinlan Vos, Mace Windu, Shaak Ti, Kit Fisto, Depa Billaba, Plo Koon, Tar Vizsla, any of the High Republic Jedi, a Jedi from Luke’s temple, or really any new characters.

[tersyne]

star wars canon, ignoring mando’a alphabet and pronunciation: jango fett, satine kryze, tarre [pronounced “tar”] vizsla

me, respecting mando’a alphabet and pronunciation: jango vhett, satiin krys, tarre [pronounced “tar-ré”] visla

[enbyonmandalore]

The Book Of Boba Fett, Episode 6

Y'all know the drill. Spoilers below the cut.

I am shaking and suppressing excited screaming as I type this.

I love love LOVE how TBOBF is honoring the Prequels and Legends! So many little details popping up that just fit in perfectly. From Mando's new ship to BD - the details are perfect.

The sequence with Din and Ahsoka was also lovely. Din isn't familiar at all with the Jedi Way and Ahsoka already did her best to explain it. Wait a minute. The Armorer mentioned that Tar Vizsla was a Mandalorian and a Jedi - does that mean, what I think it means?? *foreshadowing intensifies*

The title was also very very enticing and gave me back that Star Wars Is A Space Western feel. I mean... "From The Desert Comes A Stranger"?? Hello? Hollywood Western called?! And a stranger from the desert we got! If you didn't watch The Clone Wars or The Bad Batch series... Cad Bane has MAJOR BEEF with Boba Fett and it just makes sense to bring him back (and possibly finish him off for good) in this series. There is a concept for an unreleased Episode of The Clone Wars where a young Boba Fett kills Cad Bane, Bane's blaster bolt giving Fett the iconic helmet dent. But since this isn't canon, probably maybe we'll get to see a big show-off between Boba Fett and Cad Bane. On a side note: I didn't think Duros could be any uglier, but here we fuckin are.

Changing the topic: Tbh, it was obvious from the moment that Ahsoka took the tiny armor that Luke was going to ask Grogu to choose a path. What I don't understand is where Luke's sudden change of heart came from? Maybe from Ahsoka? What did she tell him? I mean, Luke was the first Jedi to prove you can still be a Jedi AND be surrounded by those you love, as seen in the Original Trilogy... That and the fact that we really haven't seen much from Boba Fett himself are my main issues with these last two Episodes.

There are officially only three Episodes left in this series and I hope we're going to get our questions answered as well as get to see Boba Fett in action again. We really need that.

We shall see next Wednesday in the next Episode of The Book Of Boba Fett.