#syscourse for ts

[earlgraytay]

i'm curious: what's unethical about creating a tulpa of one's waifu? i just don't see how it harms anyone except maybe possibly the tulpamancers' future selves sometimes.

I guess it really depends on if you think a tulpa is a person or not. If you think a tulpa is "just" an altered state of consciousness or a particularly mouthy OC, then I'd say you're right.

But if a tulpa is a person- and from both personal experience and the things tulpamancers say, I'm given to believe they are- it's hideously unethical to create a person just because you want someone to do something for you.

Like, I think we both agree that it's unethical to have kids so you have someone to inherit the family business or take care of you in your old age, right?

I think making a tulpa to Do Things For You is similarly unethical. Honestly I think it's more so, because a human kid can leave, and a tulpa... can't, really. If the Things you want are romantic companionship and sex, that just adds an extra layer of slime to the whole affair. But the ethics of Making A Person To Do Something For You is the problem for me, more than the gonzo nature of what it is you want them to do or how that person happened to be born.

something something The Existence Of Fluttershy Waifu Tulpas Is An Ongoing Ethical Horrorshow something. 😝

(.... I still can't believe I somehow got myself embroiled in pony tulpa discourse in this the year of our lord Dracula 2024. gfdi.)

[clearheartspurpleflowers]

Anyway this is absolutely ridiculous- When your alter gets into trouble online for sexualising children, learn to take accountability instead of attempting to get rid of the evidence! Your alter did awful shit and people are allowed to warn people, especially minors, about it. Learn to take responsibility for his actions. People are allowed to make call out posts regarding the gross and predatory shit he did. If you were sorry for his actions and actually DID change and gave a shit you would have no issue taking responsibility/system accountability for what he did and letting people spread awareness about him. Also to excuse his behaviour?? Saying he wasn’t even that bad?? Absolutely foul, they are NOT sorry and they have not changed

‘A bit fucked’ He is a predator, he sexualises children, they way they minimise their alters actions is not the behaviour of someone who has changed and genuinely wants to better themselves, please continue to be aware of this person!!

‼️ Please read ‼️

If you are active in fandom spaces— Especially Sander Sides or Hazbin Hotel, I encourage you to read this thread for your own safety!!

There is a user you may know as they have been called out before, that goes by the name Roman Calvary System, Calvary or Roman Calvary, they were previously known as The Trojan Horse Collective or The Trojan Horse System but has since separated that identity from themselves as a Sub-System although I doubt the validity of that claim because they have previously admitted It was simply to seperate themselves from their past.

Calvarys previous partner, Atlas, somebody who also came forward about Calvary and their repeated abuse, has also been allegedly exposed for inappropriate and gross behaviours regarding children and also saying the n word as a white person. While I cannot speak much on the situation regarding Atlas due to my lack of knowledge, I can bring forward evidence I have seen regarding the claims.

However, this post will probably focus more on Calvary as I have been involved with the drama regarding them personally and I know more about it.

Calvary has already got themselves a reputation amongst the Sander Sides community for various abusive and disgusting behaviours- Just some of them being inappropriate exchanges with children (As young as fourteen) Telling people to kill themselves, wishing death upon peoples mother, being racist/racially insensitive. I wish that was the end of the list but It sadly is not. Calvary has also been condemned by Thomas himself personally which there is evidence of in a seperate call out post that I will be linking below, along with all the other evidence of their behaviour.

Something I would like to close down before it gets brought up as an excuse is the infamous ‘I’ve changed’ tactic. Calvary recently made a post on their X (formerly known as Twitter) claiming that they have changed as a person and the drama is from when they were fifteen and they have since bettered their behaviour- This is not true. Calvary has not changed and has not bettered themselves at all and the drama is not just old things from when they were fifteen. These incidents are recent and from this year.

One of these instances being Calvary (Or one of their alters, Remus- An alter you will probably see a lot of here as he is the main perpetrator of most inappropriate exchanges regarding children) attempting to SRP with a literal fourteen year old- Instead of doing the logical thing and refusing to SRP with a minor, they pulled the typical ‘If you’re okay with it’ card, and I mean, sure- Maybe an uninformed minor would be okay with it but why are YOU okay with it as the older person? ‘As long as you’re okay with it’ Why are YOU? That is very creepy and gross behaviour and any decent person would have refused to SRP with a minor, people under the AOC.. cannot consent.. It is your responsibility as the older person to have known better and said no. You should not try to SRP with minors and you shouldn’t be okay with it either.

Another instance regarding their Remus would be an instance where another one of their alters blatantly admitted that Remus finds it funny to make inappropriate comments about people and even FUNNIER when it’s a minor- You know what that makes Remus? A predator, finding it funny to walk all over peoples boundaries and even more so when It is a child is absolutely horrific and taking pleasure in making children uncomfortable is not only disgusting but also blatantly predatory.

Remus has also been harassing, threatening, and finding out personal information about a minor because they came forward about Atlas dating them when they were *eleven* and Atlas was fourteen, I am sure we can all agree that that is not okay and that the age gap is obviously a problem, minors can very well hurt other minors and be in appropriate towards other minors, Atlas should not have gotten into a relationship with an eleven year old at fourteen years old, children are capable of taking advantage of other children, I’m not sure if that was the case here but regardless, you should not date an eleven year old at the age of fourteen. You also shouldn’t call black people the n word. You also shouldn’t say sexual things to minors.

I will be attaching screenshots of these instances below and potentially reblogging with more to the story because there is a LOT! If you see these users, please be cautious of them, especially if you are a minor!

[loveloveplural]

intro post <3

hello, we’re the loveplural collective~! we’re an endogenic system of over 10 members. we are bodily 16. we're all extremely anti-harassment under any and all circumstances, and we ask you to block if you're uncomfortable with that

more under the cut !!

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headmates

vince (she/they/he) 🍰 senti (hi3) fictive. host

misha (he/him) ☁️ misha (hsr) fictive and a songtive. host and mood booster

cillian (he/she/xe) ✨ lyney (gi) fictive. co-host, mood booster, and protector

erin (she/they) ⭐️ no roles or sources, just vibes

info about our other headmates won’t be shared for privacy~ 💞

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system info

we're cephaconscious, blurian, diversian, catharigenic, neurogenic, and fixabased

we believe we formed as a system sometime in early 2021. our syscovery date was 11/16/23

we share autism and adhd, as well as a small handful of mental illnesses

we don't have a collective identity and ask that you always refer to us as individuals. if you’re not sure whose fronting, please refer to misha or vince because we’re fronting 99.99% of the time

our syscourse code answers - Y / TS / NETR / NSP / TXU / DTY / CNU / SDXY / SMM / TSH / ESY / EAS / XEY

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blog info

we use likes as bookmarks, and our account is VERY reblog heavy

we won't interact with syscourse trying to start debates, but we may reblog syscourse posts if we agree with the message they’re spreading. feel free to ask us any questions about our opinions as long as you mean no harm !!

and with that, we tend to reblog posts based on what they're saying, not the op's values that may be hidden. we don't bother checking a person's blog to see what they believe if we agree with the post we're reblogging

[b1gr4tm4n]

Hello, we are the vessel.

We are a traumagenic polyfragmented system with AuDHD, BPD, NPD, CPTSD, OCD, TS, SZD, and more.

We are firmly anti non traumagenic + their supporters, and we will not be debating it. Anyone attempting to do so will be blocked immediately. We are looking for more traumagenic sys friends. If you're interested in learning more about us, keep reading, follow us, and/or send a question(s) to our inbox.

Collectively: If you are speaking about us as a whole or us as the body, call us the vessel. You may use he/him to talk about us collectively. If you are speaking about individual alters, use their names and pronouns. We will most likely sign off with emojis and or names in our posts.

Frequent Fronters: Jack (host), 🔒, and 🎀

DNI: endos/tulpas, syscourse, transmeds, fake claimers, terfs, radqueer, conservative, racist, sexist, homo/transphobic, cringe culture, anti self dxing, anti neopronouns

[compassionatereminders]

honestly the syscourse posting taught me that the label isn't as important as the experiences themselves. like yeah, someone could have dissociative parts that are distinct from one another, and technically, that's DID. but it's okay to not want to use the term, for whatever reason. even if it's not denial or shame, even if it's just. "idk that doesn't vibe with me". same with really. anything? honestly? like literally anything at all? and people forcefully putting labels on others is a BIG problem just. all around. not even just with mental health but in queer spaces too, for example. "you're not [x] you're just [y]" or "why use [x] when [y] is right there". because people are allowed to define their experiences in whatever way makes them comfortable that's why!!

honestly it makes me understand why some Ts focus on treating the symptoms, not labeling the disorder. the label is a term for a cluster of symptoms. 🤷 sorry for the long ask, this just got me thinkin

"Because people are allowed to define their experiences in whatever way makes them comfortable, that's why!" 👏👏👏

- Erin

[routin3s-mp3]

Hello-!

welcome to our sysblog!!

we are a DID system of 50+ with 1-2 subsystems!! we also have adhd, bpd, anxiety, TS, dyslexia, psychosis, misophonia, and autism.

dni and individual intros are below the cut :3!

Dni:

we are anti endo, so please do not interact with us if you are pro/endogenic.

Basic dni criteria. (e.g. racist, homophobic, radqueer, transmed, sysmed, etc. basically anyone who isn’t okay with unharmful things.)

darkship. we can tolerate proshippers but we certainly dont identify with the label, even if we are in the hannibal fandom, since the evolution of the label has gone sideways. We do identify with the comship label though.

Incest/pedo/paraphilia supporters. Adding onto the one before.

violent syscourse. We have our reasonings for being anti endo, but we *do not* want violent syscourse to interact with us. we may post about syscourse one or two times, but that is not us asking for trouble or arguments.

18+. we are bodily a minor.

nsfw+kink blogs. self explanatory.

paranoia inducing blogs. we have psychosis, we are very prone to delusions.

thin ice:

endo-neutral.

proshippers.

individual intros!!

(these are the headmates who we know will be posting on this account, there may be updates in the future regarding who’s posting! blurry signoff is ☁️!)

Fog / florian / spixii // host // it/its // brainmade // - 🦜

Will / willow graham // co-host // he/gore/grr // fictive // - 💊

Basil / vine // bpd symptom holder // he/sprout/xe // fictive // -🌸

Blaze / poison oak // protector + anger & psychosis holder // he/him // brainmade // -🌲

Vin / vindict / aconite // persecutor // he/vyr/it // brainmade // -🥀

[kipandkandicore]

we’ve decided to put together our syscourse opinions using @/nightfallsystem ‘s code that you can find here. please let us know if y’all have any thoughts on this or need any clarification!

it’s going under a cut because it’s kind of long…

Question one - Do you believe in endogenic plurality

👍(Y)- Yes

Question two - Opinion on tulpas

❤️(TS) - Supportive

💜(TNU) - Nuanced opinion / other:

we believe that the practice is not cultural appropriation, but the name is. we think it would be best to move away from “tulpa” terminology in the future, as the term itself seems more offensive than the practice. we firmly believe that no one group owns the capability to create headmates. we use “thoughtform” and “willomate” instead of tulpa terminology.

Question three - Do you think endos just don't remember their trauma

📗(MTR) - I think a lot of them don't

📘(NETR) - People sometimes misunderstand their identity, it doesn't mean everyone is misunderstanding / not remembering.

📙(NTR) - No

maybe some endos have repressed trauma but that certainly is not the norm among endo systems from what we can tell.

Question four - Opinion on shared spaces

🔺 (YSP) - Supportive

🔸(NSP) - Shared spaces are good but there should also be specific spaces for disordered, traumagenic, endogenic, etc spaces.

Question five - Do you think endogenic plurality is comparable to transX

🔵(TXA) - No, and I'm against transplural

⚫️(TXNU) - Nuanced opinion / other

we don’t believe transplural exists or should exist. if you want to be plural, then make a system… there’s no need to call yourself “transplural” - you can just be plural.

Question six - Do you think you can have DID/OSDD/UDD without trauma

🌘(DTO) - No, but a DID/OSDD/UDD system can form endogenic headmates.

after reaching a better understanding of disordered systems and what it means to be diagnosed with a complex dissociative disorder, we believe that no, you cannot form these disorders without a trauma history. however, we will never push anyone to ever disclose their trauma to us or anyone else, and if a cdd system is not ready to face or acknowledge their trauma, it is none of our business and we won’t get involved.

Question seven - Do you think introjects from other cultures should be able to use that culture's names if they aren't bodily part of it (eg. Japanese introject using Japanese names, while in a white body)

🟨(CNP) - If they're given permission by a member of that culture

🟦(CNNU) - Nuanced opinion / other

it genuinely depends on the name itself. if the name is known to have sacred ties or members of that culture have spoken out against outsiders using that name, then no. but otherwise, we don’t see why not. cultural exchange is not the same as cultural appropriation - just do your research and be respectful/willing to change!

Question eight - Opinion on researched self diagnosis

🌲(SDXY) - Supportive

🌳(SDXI) - If the person has done extensive research it's okay

Question nine - Sysmed as a term

🌦(SMA) - Against it

the similarities between transmedicalism and sysmedicalism are stark, but the pro-endo community misuses this word/does not adhere to a clear definition/uses it as an insult more than a label to describe someone’s beliefs. so we are against the sysmed term.

Question ten - Traumascum as a term

🥖(TSH) - I think it's harmful

🥧(TSA) - I am against it

regardless of their takes, “traumascum” sounds like calling someone scum on the basis of their trauma history. we don’t like that.

Question eleven - Endogenic systems using the term 'system'

🐊(ESY) - Supportive

Question twelve - Endogenic systems using the term 'alter'

🦋 (EAM) - If they are medically recognised

🐞 (ESNU) - Nuanced opinion / other

from what we understand “alter” is a term with specifically medical connotations. however, we (as an osddid system) have no issues with endo systems using “alter” to describe their parts, though we think “headmate” and “sysmate” are better terms personally, and we will assume someone is an osddid system if they use the term “alter”

Question thirteen - Xeno-origins

🐳 (XEY) - Supportive

fuck yeah xeno origins! define your experience with language that works for you and helps you understand yourself and your system!

[loveguts]

btw just to clarify my stance just because i have more syscourse related followers, i’m like. open minded to other forms of plurality because, to my knowledge, i don’t think there’s ever been anything definitively proving or disproving that they can exist. and it’s not my place to decide that, i’m not a psychologist. but i’m anti endo community for the ableism/misinformation/other bullshit that happens on the regular now. and i also hate the word sysmed it’s stupid as hell. but i do think if other forms of plurality do exist (which i’m open to the idea of), it’s going to be psychologically very different than DIDOSDD and i definitely don’t think they should be treated as one in the same but one is just spicier or whatever. apologies for posting about it so much this is the last post im making about it today i swear lmao but i wanted to give people the chance to unfollow if they felt uncomfortable or anything

[neon-vocalist]

bored, so it's chaos time. seemingly random string of characters edition.

that's right, we're gonna try our hand at the multiple code and the syscourse code. for funsies.

multiple code: MuC N+$ | P(f/nb/o"xenogender"/pp/qr/as) | A (b--/r---/A/A^) | S.H+/S.B/S.o[S.C]"four-dimmensional being"/S.Mfh^/S.H?+/S.S?+ | Ot/pr/p/m Ml/s/ds | We/b/w/x/o/d/h~+$! | C(c-/m#~) | OF(r-[-]/o++) | F(xc^/m^/ast+/pg/aut+/mw+) | M*(cry!=/spi+/mag/psy-/ast-!) | R*(f/p/qp+/r+) | V*(v+!>^*!+) | X*(l/b/p/as/ar/q/o) | G(f/n/nb/a/b/g/gq/o"xenogender") | J(pa/wr/x/us) | So(r/o++) | R+

syscourse code: Y | TN | NETR | NSP | TX(U/A) | DT(O/NU/IDK) | CNY | SDXY | SM(Y/M) | TS(H/A) | ESY | EAS | XE(N/NE/NU)

[earlgraytay]

I think the worst part of syscourse I've seen is sysmeds actively arguing that only DID systems can use words.... that originated outside of DID spaces, like "headmate" or especially "fictive".

I would like to use this opportunity to make a gentle request:

please don't drag any more syscourse through my tumblr inbox.

...this is a topic it's really hard to talk about sensitively, and as someone who is only tangentially connected to the communities involved, I really do not want to get out of my lane here. Especially since this is not the kindest or most hinged of Disk Horses.

I'm not going to answer any more syscourse related questions for a hot second and I'd really appreciate if you respected this boundary.

[wontbelongb4ibreak]

It’s not call out posts that are causing you to lose friends, it’s that people get a genuinely weird vibe from you when they talk to you, as multiple people have said, they all saw the call out AFTER they dropped you because you gave them weird vibes.

Your reputation is your own fault for being weird, I would feel bad if they were just accusations but they’re not, there is cold hard proof of all of this, you formed your own reputation by being creepy. If you change you’ll realise that having friends comes around with being a good person to be around, the person on amino blocked them because they had a weird feeling about them and then they saw the post afterwards.

You are genuinely suffering the consequences of your own actions. You obviously need to learn more about system accountability because it seems to everyone you really suck at it and if you’re still giving people weird vibes, there’s clearly still something that needs to change and no, it’s not because you’re autistic, it is because you are genuinely kind of weird. When you build up a better reputation, call out posts genuinely will not matter because people WILL see you’ve changed but you haven’t built up a better reputation at all and you’re blaming it on having all these call outs but that is genuinely not the reason why. I have plenty of call out posts about me and has anyone noticed how they’re all irrelevant now even though they’re all still up and popular posts? That’s because I DID change, I have a different reputation now and when people DO find those posts they feel comfortable enough to talk to me about it and ask, and I never go on about how they should be taken down, etc because that isn’t true.

Those call outs SHOULD stay up so people can make their own choices about me and decide whether they want to block me or not, the same goes here. It’s not the call outs ruining your chances of being social, it’s the fact you are still weird and give people bad vibes and you desperately need to change that.

‼️ Please read ‼️

If you are active in fandom spaces— Especially Sander Sides or Hazbin Hotel, I encourage you to read this thread for your own safety!!

There is a user you may know as they have been called out before, that goes by the name Roman Calvary System, Calvary or Roman Calvary, they were previously known as The Trojan Horse Collective or The Trojan Horse System but has since separated that identity from themselves as a Sub-System although I doubt the validity of that claim because they have previously admitted It was simply to seperate themselves from their past.

Calvarys previous partner, Atlas, somebody who also came forward about Calvary and their repeated abuse, has also been allegedly exposed for inappropriate and gross behaviours regarding children and also saying the n word as a white person. While I cannot speak much on the situation regarding Atlas due to my lack of knowledge, I can bring forward evidence I have seen regarding the claims.

However, this post will probably focus more on Calvary as I have been involved with the drama regarding them personally and I know more about it.

Calvary has already got themselves a reputation amongst the Sander Sides community for various abusive and disgusting behaviours- Just some of them being inappropriate exchanges with children (As young as fourteen) Telling people to kill themselves, wishing death upon peoples mother, being racist/racially insensitive. I wish that was the end of the list but It sadly is not. Calvary has also been condemned by Thomas himself personally which there is evidence of in a seperate call out post that I will be linking below, along with all the other evidence of their behaviour.

Something I would like to close down before it gets brought up as an excuse is the infamous ‘I’ve changed’ tactic. Calvary recently made a post on their X (formerly known as Twitter) claiming that they have changed as a person and the drama is from when they were fifteen and they have since bettered their behaviour- This is not true. Calvary has not changed and has not bettered themselves at all and the drama is not just old things from when they were fifteen. These incidents are recent and from this year.

One of these instances being Calvary (Or one of their alters, Remus- An alter you will probably see a lot of here as he is the main perpetrator of most inappropriate exchanges regarding children) attempting to SRP with a literal fourteen year old- Instead of doing the logical thing and refusing to SRP with a minor, they pulled the typical ‘If you’re okay with it’ card, and I mean, sure- Maybe an uninformed minor would be okay with it but why are YOU okay with it as the older person? ‘As long as you’re okay with it’ Why are YOU? That is very creepy and gross behaviour and any decent person would have refused to SRP with a minor, people under the AOC.. cannot consent.. It is your responsibility as the older person to have known better and said no. You should not try to SRP with minors and you shouldn’t be okay with it either.

Another instance regarding their Remus would be an instance where another one of their alters blatantly admitted that Remus finds it funny to make inappropriate comments about people and even FUNNIER when it’s a minor- You know what that makes Remus? A predator, finding it funny to walk all over peoples boundaries and even more so when It is a child is absolutely horrific and taking pleasure in making children uncomfortable is not only disgusting but also blatantly predatory.

Remus has also been harassing, threatening, and finding out personal information about a minor because they came forward about Atlas dating them when they were *eleven* and Atlas was fourteen, I am sure we can all agree that that is not okay and that the age gap is obviously a problem, minors can very well hurt other minors and be in appropriate towards other minors, Atlas should not have gotten into a relationship with an eleven year old at fourteen years old, children are capable of taking advantage of other children, I’m not sure if that was the case here but regardless, you should not date an eleven year old at the age of fourteen. You also shouldn’t call black people the n word. You also shouldn’t say sexual things to minors.

I will be attaching screenshots of these instances below and potentially reblogging with more to the story because there is a LOT! If you see these users, please be cautious of them, especially if you are a minor!

[clearheartspurpleflowers]

Hmmm,, funny how I acted like the cunt even though I did not swear at them once and It was them who repeatedly cussed at me AND called me a prick,, maybe if you didn’t want me to condescend you then you shouldn’t have been disrespectful, I did not call you a single name or swear at you at all, you were disrespectful to me and so you got met with disrespect back, again, learn to deal with the consequences of your actions, you don’t get to speak to people like shit and then have a cry when they retaliate to your disrespectful behaviour, I did not flip my shit at you, you flipped your shit at me and I responded to it, get a grip and learn to understand you can’t walk all over people

There is absolutely nothing mature about coming into my DMs telling me I’m talking shit, swearing at me right off the bat as the screenshots show (Notice how I didn’t swear back, even though you kept cussing at me) I explained to you why I wasn’t going to delete my post and you had an immature little melt down about it because apparently spreading awareness about your predatory alter is just so nasty and so rude!! 🥺 / sarc

If you really understood taking accountability then you wouldn’t have A) Minimised your alters behaviour to me in DMs and said what he did wasn’t even that bad, which is disgusting considering what he did was sexualise children, and B) Swore at me multiple times for saying I wasn’t gonna delete my post and then presented some stupid excuse like ‘I was swearing in general to express my anger’ but didn’t like it when I used the same logic about how I was talking to you, even though I was not swearing at you or insulting you, unlike you did to me

You got called ridiculous because you are ridiculous LMAO, I mean, trying to paint it out like I flipped my shit at you and disrespected you even though I spoke to you calmly the whole time you swore at me and called me a prick? ‘Take screenshots of someone being vulnerable’ I took screenshots of you disrespecting me and I am allowed to do that, again, consequences to your actions- Disassociated or not, you spoke to me like shit (You did say sorry and stopped swearing when I pointed it out and I said it was cool) but your apology means nothing to me now given how you just spun the whole situation and tried to make me the bad guy when It was you who went on at ME like a spinner because I said I wasn’t gonna delete my post and guess what!!

Still not deleting my post!!! Your alter sexualised children and people are going to talk about it and spread awareness regarding the situation, whether you like it or not, that is how consequences work, It doesn’t matter if your alter is dormant or not now, that doesn’t suddenly mean consequences magically vanish along with him, learn to take system accountability

My post is not stopping you from proving you have changed, the way you act is, because anybody who had actually changed would take the consequences of their alters actions and deal with it and learn to take system accountability and PROVE that they have changed, something you are not doing, It’s not me holding you back, It’s your own actions and the disgracefully immature way you handle things

Lets get real here, I know I would’ve been willing to put it past you if you had came into my DMs and explained the situation to me, instead of opening it with accusing me of talking shit, If you had told me you had changed as a person and actually shown that through your actions instead of just waving it around in peoples faces with absolutely no actual actions to back it up, I would’ve deleted my post and I would’ve believed you were actually a changed person- But no, you immediately opened it with accusing me of talking shit, swore at me, insulted me and also lets not forget the fact you tried to call me a liar because you happened to be in my disc friends, that was just blatant gaslighting and also a pathetic way to try and spin it on me because like I explained, I never once claimed to be your friend or anything like that, you don’t have to be literally friends with everyone in your friends list, and the way you tried to accuse me of lying because of that was a sad attempt at making me the bad guy and also a stupid one, get better tactics at least

You also immediately DMed my cousin saying ‘How brain dead is this bitch’ who I was SITTING with at the time, so continued to insult me and now you’re claiming im the disrespectful one? Even though I didn’t insult you once? Unlike you did to me, multiple times?? How brain dead are YOU??

That is a fine example of consequences to your actions, something you very obviously cannot handle, because you are a huge dickhead and can’t seem to see the issue with how you act, you were disrespectful to me first, you flipped your shit at me, and maybe if you hadn’t, things would’ve played out differently, the way you treat people matters and it is your own shitty behaviour preventing people from seeing this apparent change (Is it in the room with us??) you are STILL an asshole and you’ve made that much obvious and yes I called you a dickhead and an asshole, it’s very fitting for the things you called me because I wouldn’t delete a post about your alter sexualising kids

‼️ Please read ‼️

If you are active in fandom spaces— Especially Sander Sides or Hazbin Hotel, I encourage you to read this thread for your own safety!!

There is a user you may know as they have been called out before, that goes by the name Roman Calvary System, Calvary or Roman Calvary, they were previously known as The Trojan Horse Collective or The Trojan Horse System but has since separated that identity from themselves as a Sub-System although I doubt the validity of that claim because they have previously admitted It was simply to seperate themselves from their past.

Calvarys previous partner, Atlas, somebody who also came forward about Calvary and their repeated abuse, has also been allegedly exposed for inappropriate and gross behaviours regarding children and also saying the n word as a white person. While I cannot speak much on the situation regarding Atlas due to my lack of knowledge, I can bring forward evidence I have seen regarding the claims.

However, this post will probably focus more on Calvary as I have been involved with the drama regarding them personally and I know more about it.

Calvary has already got themselves a reputation amongst the Sander Sides community for various abusive and disgusting behaviours- Just some of them being inappropriate exchanges with children (As young as fourteen) Telling people to kill themselves, wishing death upon peoples mother, being racist/racially insensitive. I wish that was the end of the list but It sadly is not. Calvary has also been condemned by Thomas himself personally which there is evidence of in a seperate call out post that I will be linking below, along with all the other evidence of their behaviour.

Something I would like to close down before it gets brought up as an excuse is the infamous ‘I’ve changed’ tactic. Calvary recently made a post on their X (formerly known as Twitter) claiming that they have changed as a person and the drama is from when they were fifteen and they have since bettered their behaviour- This is not true. Calvary has not changed and has not bettered themselves at all and the drama is not just old things from when they were fifteen. These incidents are recent and from this year.

One of these instances being Calvary (Or one of their alters, Remus- An alter you will probably see a lot of here as he is the main perpetrator of most inappropriate exchanges regarding children) attempting to SRP with a literal fourteen year old- Instead of doing the logical thing and refusing to SRP with a minor, they pulled the typical ‘If you’re okay with it’ card, and I mean, sure- Maybe an uninformed minor would be okay with it but why are YOU okay with it as the older person? ‘As long as you’re okay with it’ Why are YOU? That is very creepy and gross behaviour and any decent person would have refused to SRP with a minor, people under the AOC.. cannot consent.. It is your responsibility as the older person to have known better and said no. You should not try to SRP with minors and you shouldn’t be okay with it either.

Another instance regarding their Remus would be an instance where another one of their alters blatantly admitted that Remus finds it funny to make inappropriate comments about people and even FUNNIER when it’s a minor- You know what that makes Remus? A predator, finding it funny to walk all over peoples boundaries and even more so when It is a child is absolutely horrific and taking pleasure in making children uncomfortable is not only disgusting but also blatantly predatory.

Remus has also been harassing, threatening, and finding out personal information about a minor because they came forward about Atlas dating them when they were *eleven* and Atlas was fourteen, I am sure we can all agree that that is not okay and that the age gap is obviously a problem, minors can very well hurt other minors and be in appropriate towards other minors, Atlas should not have gotten into a relationship with an eleven year old at fourteen years old, children are capable of taking advantage of other children, I’m not sure if that was the case here but regardless, you should not date an eleven year old at the age of fourteen. You also shouldn’t call black people the n word. You also shouldn’t say sexual things to minors.

I will be attaching screenshots of these instances below and potentially reblogging with more to the story because there is a LOT! If you see these users, please be cautious of them, especially if you are a minor!

[thesidesbeingsilly]

the audacity on them is absolutely wild, if they actually had changed so much they wouldn’t have minimised their alters actions and also justified them, they are obviously not a good person

‼️ Please read ‼️

If you are active in fandom spaces— Especially Sander Sides or Hazbin Hotel, I encourage you to read this thread for your own safety!!

There is a user you may know as they have been called out before, that goes by the name Roman Calvary System, Calvary or Roman Calvary, they were previously known as The Trojan Horse Collective or The Trojan Horse System but has since separated that identity from themselves as a Sub-System although I doubt the validity of that claim because they have previously admitted It was simply to seperate themselves from their past.

Calvarys previous partner, Atlas, somebody who also came forward about Calvary and their repeated abuse, has also been allegedly exposed for inappropriate and gross behaviours regarding children and also saying the n word as a white person. While I cannot speak much on the situation regarding Atlas due to my lack of knowledge, I can bring forward evidence I have seen regarding the claims.

However, this post will probably focus more on Calvary as I have been involved with the drama regarding them personally and I know more about it.

Calvary has already got themselves a reputation amongst the Sander Sides community for various abusive and disgusting behaviours- Just some of them being inappropriate exchanges with children (As young as fourteen) Telling people to kill themselves, wishing death upon peoples mother, being racist/racially insensitive. I wish that was the end of the list but It sadly is not. Calvary has also been condemned by Thomas himself personally which there is evidence of in a seperate call out post that I will be linking below, along with all the other evidence of their behaviour.

Something I would like to close down before it gets brought up as an excuse is the infamous ‘I’ve changed’ tactic. Calvary recently made a post on their X (formerly known as Twitter) claiming that they have changed as a person and the drama is from when they were fifteen and they have since bettered their behaviour- This is not true. Calvary has not changed and has not bettered themselves at all and the drama is not just old things from when they were fifteen. These incidents are recent and from this year.

One of these instances being Calvary (Or one of their alters, Remus- An alter you will probably see a lot of here as he is the main perpetrator of most inappropriate exchanges regarding children) attempting to SRP with a literal fourteen year old- Instead of doing the logical thing and refusing to SRP with a minor, they pulled the typical ‘If you’re okay with it’ card, and I mean, sure- Maybe an uninformed minor would be okay with it but why are YOU okay with it as the older person? ‘As long as you’re okay with it’ Why are YOU? That is very creepy and gross behaviour and any decent person would have refused to SRP with a minor, people under the AOC.. cannot consent.. It is your responsibility as the older person to have known better and said no. You should not try to SRP with minors and you shouldn’t be okay with it either.

Another instance regarding their Remus would be an instance where another one of their alters blatantly admitted that Remus finds it funny to make inappropriate comments about people and even FUNNIER when it’s a minor- You know what that makes Remus? A predator, finding it funny to walk all over peoples boundaries and even more so when It is a child is absolutely horrific and taking pleasure in making children uncomfortable is not only disgusting but also blatantly predatory.

Remus has also been harassing, threatening, and finding out personal information about a minor because they came forward about Atlas dating them when they were *eleven* and Atlas was fourteen, I am sure we can all agree that that is not okay and that the age gap is obviously a problem, minors can very well hurt other minors and be in appropriate towards other minors, Atlas should not have gotten into a relationship with an eleven year old at fourteen years old, children are capable of taking advantage of other children, I’m not sure if that was the case here but regardless, you should not date an eleven year old at the age of fourteen. You also shouldn’t call black people the n word. You also shouldn’t say sexual things to minors.

I will be attaching screenshots of these instances below and potentially reblogging with more to the story because there is a LOT! If you see these users, please be cautious of them, especially if you are a minor!

[ang3liqua]

The fact they had the audacity to get an attitude with you first because you wouldn’t take your post down is fucking hilarious lol, they have not changed otherwise they would not still be minimising their alters gross actions and attempting to justify it, cry about it Calvary, we feed off of predator tears

‼️ Please read ‼️

If you are active in fandom spaces— Especially Sander Sides or Hazbin Hotel, I encourage you to read this thread for your own safety!!

There is a user you may know as they have been called out before, that goes by the name Roman Calvary System, Calvary or Roman Calvary, they were previously known as The Trojan Horse Collective or The Trojan Horse System but has since separated that identity from themselves as a Sub-System although I doubt the validity of that claim because they have previously admitted It was simply to seperate themselves from their past.

Calvarys previous partner, Atlas, somebody who also came forward about Calvary and their repeated abuse, has also been allegedly exposed for inappropriate and gross behaviours regarding children and also saying the n word as a white person. While I cannot speak much on the situation regarding Atlas due to my lack of knowledge, I can bring forward evidence I have seen regarding the claims.

However, this post will probably focus more on Calvary as I have been involved with the drama regarding them personally and I know more about it.

Calvary has already got themselves a reputation amongst the Sander Sides community for various abusive and disgusting behaviours- Just some of them being inappropriate exchanges with children (As young as fourteen) Telling people to kill themselves, wishing death upon peoples mother, being racist/racially insensitive. I wish that was the end of the list but It sadly is not. Calvary has also been condemned by Thomas himself personally which there is evidence of in a seperate call out post that I will be linking below, along with all the other evidence of their behaviour.

Something I would like to close down before it gets brought up as an excuse is the infamous ‘I’ve changed’ tactic. Calvary recently made a post on their X (formerly known as Twitter) claiming that they have changed as a person and the drama is from when they were fifteen and they have since bettered their behaviour- This is not true. Calvary has not changed and has not bettered themselves at all and the drama is not just old things from when they were fifteen. These incidents are recent and from this year.

One of these instances being Calvary (Or one of their alters, Remus- An alter you will probably see a lot of here as he is the main perpetrator of most inappropriate exchanges regarding children) attempting to SRP with a literal fourteen year old- Instead of doing the logical thing and refusing to SRP with a minor, they pulled the typical ‘If you’re okay with it’ card, and I mean, sure- Maybe an uninformed minor would be okay with it but why are YOU okay with it as the older person? ‘As long as you’re okay with it’ Why are YOU? That is very creepy and gross behaviour and any decent person would have refused to SRP with a minor, people under the AOC.. cannot consent.. It is your responsibility as the older person to have known better and said no. You should not try to SRP with minors and you shouldn’t be okay with it either.

Another instance regarding their Remus would be an instance where another one of their alters blatantly admitted that Remus finds it funny to make inappropriate comments about people and even FUNNIER when it’s a minor- You know what that makes Remus? A predator, finding it funny to walk all over peoples boundaries and even more so when It is a child is absolutely horrific and taking pleasure in making children uncomfortable is not only disgusting but also blatantly predatory.

Remus has also been harassing, threatening, and finding out personal information about a minor because they came forward about Atlas dating them when they were *eleven* and Atlas was fourteen, I am sure we can all agree that that is not okay and that the age gap is obviously a problem, minors can very well hurt other minors and be in appropriate towards other minors, Atlas should not have gotten into a relationship with an eleven year old at fourteen years old, children are capable of taking advantage of other children, I’m not sure if that was the case here but regardless, you should not date an eleven year old at the age of fourteen. You also shouldn’t call black people the n word. You also shouldn’t say sexual things to minors.

I will be attaching screenshots of these instances below and potentially reblogging with more to the story because there is a LOT! If you see these users, please be cautious of them, especially if you are a minor!

[clearheartspurpleflowers]

The proof of Calvary immediately insulting me AGAIN but I was the one who ‘flipped my shit’ somehow,,, hmm,,, weird

‼️ Please read ‼️

If you are active in fandom spaces— Especially Sander Sides or Hazbin Hotel, I encourage you to read this thread for your own safety!!

There is a user you may know as they have been called out before, that goes by the name Roman Calvary System, Calvary or Roman Calvary, they were previously known as The Trojan Horse Collective or The Trojan Horse System but has since separated that identity from themselves as a Sub-System although I doubt the validity of that claim because they have previously admitted It was simply to seperate themselves from their past.

Calvarys previous partner, Atlas, somebody who also came forward about Calvary and their repeated abuse, has also been allegedly exposed for inappropriate and gross behaviours regarding children and also saying the n word as a white person. While I cannot speak much on the situation regarding Atlas due to my lack of knowledge, I can bring forward evidence I have seen regarding the claims.

However, this post will probably focus more on Calvary as I have been involved with the drama regarding them personally and I know more about it.

Calvary has already got themselves a reputation amongst the Sander Sides community for various abusive and disgusting behaviours- Just some of them being inappropriate exchanges with children (As young as fourteen) Telling people to kill themselves, wishing death upon peoples mother, being racist/racially insensitive. I wish that was the end of the list but It sadly is not. Calvary has also been condemned by Thomas himself personally which there is evidence of in a seperate call out post that I will be linking below, along with all the other evidence of their behaviour.

Something I would like to close down before it gets brought up as an excuse is the infamous ‘I’ve changed’ tactic. Calvary recently made a post on their X (formerly known as Twitter) claiming that they have changed as a person and the drama is from when they were fifteen and they have since bettered their behaviour- This is not true. Calvary has not changed and has not bettered themselves at all and the drama is not just old things from when they were fifteen. These incidents are recent and from this year.

One of these instances being Calvary (Or one of their alters, Remus- An alter you will probably see a lot of here as he is the main perpetrator of most inappropriate exchanges regarding children) attempting to SRP with a literal fourteen year old- Instead of doing the logical thing and refusing to SRP with a minor, they pulled the typical ‘If you’re okay with it’ card, and I mean, sure- Maybe an uninformed minor would be okay with it but why are YOU okay with it as the older person? ‘As long as you’re okay with it’ Why are YOU? That is very creepy and gross behaviour and any decent person would have refused to SRP with a minor, people under the AOC.. cannot consent.. It is your responsibility as the older person to have known better and said no. You should not try to SRP with minors and you shouldn’t be okay with it either.

Another instance regarding their Remus would be an instance where another one of their alters blatantly admitted that Remus finds it funny to make inappropriate comments about people and even FUNNIER when it’s a minor- You know what that makes Remus? A predator, finding it funny to walk all over peoples boundaries and even more so when It is a child is absolutely horrific and taking pleasure in making children uncomfortable is not only disgusting but also blatantly predatory.

Remus has also been harassing, threatening, and finding out personal information about a minor because they came forward about Atlas dating them when they were *eleven* and Atlas was fourteen, I am sure we can all agree that that is not okay and that the age gap is obviously a problem, minors can very well hurt other minors and be in appropriate towards other minors, Atlas should not have gotten into a relationship with an eleven year old at fourteen years old, children are capable of taking advantage of other children, I’m not sure if that was the case here but regardless, you should not date an eleven year old at the age of fourteen. You also shouldn’t call black people the n word. You also shouldn’t say sexual things to minors.

I will be attaching screenshots of these instances below and potentially reblogging with more to the story because there is a LOT! If you see these users, please be cautious of them, especially if you are a minor!

[ang3liqua]

It’s like they think their alter being dormant means the consequences magically vanish too like you said 😭 Also the way they’re making it out like you disrespected them when they swore at you and disrespected you is crazy, once again crying because of the consequences of their bad actions

‼️ Please read ‼️

If you are active in fandom spaces— Especially Sander Sides or Hazbin Hotel, I encourage you to read this thread for your own safety!!

There is a user you may know as they have been called out before, that goes by the name Roman Calvary System, Calvary or Roman Calvary, they were previously known as The Trojan Horse Collective or The Trojan Horse System but has since separated that identity from themselves as a Sub-System although I doubt the validity of that claim because they have previously admitted It was simply to seperate themselves from their past.

Calvarys previous partner, Atlas, somebody who also came forward about Calvary and their repeated abuse, has also been allegedly exposed for inappropriate and gross behaviours regarding children and also saying the n word as a white person. While I cannot speak much on the situation regarding Atlas due to my lack of knowledge, I can bring forward evidence I have seen regarding the claims.

However, this post will probably focus more on Calvary as I have been involved with the drama regarding them personally and I know more about it.

Calvary has already got themselves a reputation amongst the Sander Sides community for various abusive and disgusting behaviours- Just some of them being inappropriate exchanges with children (As young as fourteen) Telling people to kill themselves, wishing death upon peoples mother, being racist/racially insensitive. I wish that was the end of the list but It sadly is not. Calvary has also been condemned by Thomas himself personally which there is evidence of in a seperate call out post that I will be linking below, along with all the other evidence of their behaviour.

Something I would like to close down before it gets brought up as an excuse is the infamous ‘I’ve changed’ tactic. Calvary recently made a post on their X (formerly known as Twitter) claiming that they have changed as a person and the drama is from when they were fifteen and they have since bettered their behaviour- This is not true. Calvary has not changed and has not bettered themselves at all and the drama is not just old things from when they were fifteen. These incidents are recent and from this year.

One of these instances being Calvary (Or one of their alters, Remus- An alter you will probably see a lot of here as he is the main perpetrator of most inappropriate exchanges regarding children) attempting to SRP with a literal fourteen year old- Instead of doing the logical thing and refusing to SRP with a minor, they pulled the typical ‘If you’re okay with it’ card, and I mean, sure- Maybe an uninformed minor would be okay with it but why are YOU okay with it as the older person? ‘As long as you’re okay with it’ Why are YOU? That is very creepy and gross behaviour and any decent person would have refused to SRP with a minor, people under the AOC.. cannot consent.. It is your responsibility as the older person to have known better and said no. You should not try to SRP with minors and you shouldn’t be okay with it either.

Another instance regarding their Remus would be an instance where another one of their alters blatantly admitted that Remus finds it funny to make inappropriate comments about people and even FUNNIER when it’s a minor- You know what that makes Remus? A predator, finding it funny to walk all over peoples boundaries and even more so when It is a child is absolutely horrific and taking pleasure in making children uncomfortable is not only disgusting but also blatantly predatory.

Remus has also been harassing, threatening, and finding out personal information about a minor because they came forward about Atlas dating them when they were *eleven* and Atlas was fourteen, I am sure we can all agree that that is not okay and that the age gap is obviously a problem, minors can very well hurt other minors and be in appropriate towards other minors, Atlas should not have gotten into a relationship with an eleven year old at fourteen years old, children are capable of taking advantage of other children, I’m not sure if that was the case here but regardless, you should not date an eleven year old at the age of fourteen. You also shouldn’t call black people the n word. You also shouldn’t say sexual things to minors.

I will be attaching screenshots of these instances below and potentially reblogging with more to the story because there is a LOT! If you see these users, please be cautious of them, especially if you are a minor!