#study:hosie

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For reference, the first appearance of the "make quiet things heard" talisman that Hope gave to Josie is in 3x15 of The Originals, where Marcel is seen wearing it:

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It really fucks me up so bad how Hayley was the biggest person who was able to change Hope's life (and just its entire trajectory) for the better. That scene in 3x16 where she explains to Klaus that the reason why they're on the run is because he won't stop being a dick 😭, and when she says "There is a very good chance that one day our daughter will be dealing with the same thing that Kayla is dealing with. And if that day comes, I hope that someone makes it their business to help her, too". It kind of makes me so emotional because this is maybe the first time Klaus has taken such flat out advice on his overall character in stride and I think it speaks to how they end up bonding as parents, after everything.

But it also makes me emotional because the twins end up helping Hope when they're older and they keep helping her after. And that relationship started because Klaus started being nicer to Caroline and her loved ones (minus Tyler, I'm so sorry, but). Like, that relationship was forged earlier on and kept growing and then by the time The Originals is ending, Caroline believes in his ability to be a father and the twins help them out.

Then after he's gone, the twins keep helping Hope because they all love each other so much. Hayley is the first voice that really champions for building that kind of life for Hope and she does it again with the "I'm not gonna teach my daughter that it's okay to leave the ones you love to die". And then we get Hope's "Josie, I'm not going to leave you behind"... Oh

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I have a renewed appreciation for just how much Hope understood what Josie was going through with the darkness infecting her head. Hope had the hollow in her mind and the way Klaus describes it, just having it there causes suffering. She was never going to give up on Josie because she felt like they were the same

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I lied, put your clothes back on, we're going to talk about how Josie gave her dark side a kiss while she was defeating her all because Hope taught her that having dark parts of you doesn't erase your ability/potential to be good. Both showing that through her own example and by the love she showed to all of Josie's sides

And then later on Josie repeated the same sentiment in the therapy box when she told Ted that if he gives up on Hope (i.e, if everyone gives up on no humanity Hope), he's giving up on all the people she would've saved

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Saw someone say that Hope would be the more jealous one in the relationship (over Josie) and to that I raise them two things:

-Hope was actually pretty understanding when she was jealous of Josie and Landon. She was able to push everything down and force herself to try and move on. I don’t think she’s a very jealous partner overall. Even with H*ndon, Landon was the one who was more jealous (with Roman) and Hope was kind of down to earth about it all. To the point he even got angry with her when he got his memories back and thought she was a little too okay with him being with someone else

-I know this one is partly dark magic’s fault, but Josie was extremely jealous in a relationship with Landon. And that was our first example of her in a relationship, since with Penelope we didn’t get to see their dating life. I feel like Josie was also more unhinged about Landon because she could subconsciously feel his relevance to Hope. She wasn’t jealous when we saw her with Finch later, but that whole relationship lacked any buzz or fire

So yeah, I just think Josie would be the more jealous one if they dated

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I updated it 🥳

I'm so glad @uncleasad is still active on here because no one else gets how excited I was to see the talisman in The Originals

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Personally I've always though that it was unintentional on Lizzie's part, mostly. Like we obviously don't know because the show was all tell and no show, which is one of the biggest issues with the twins' dynamic unfortunately, but I've always interpreted Lizzie's social butterfly tendencies as sort of like... masking, almost? Like Lizzie wants to prove to herself that her disorder doesn't hinder her and she can be just like her mom, so she throws herself out there and puts on this persona (to an extent) to kind of make that wish a reality. And she has slip ups, like MG would explain it, but for the most part it's just done with the intention of connecting to others and being popular/well-liked.

So I think she would just go for a lot of people, romantically, for the same reason. And since Josie is always with Lizzie, they probably interact with the same people for the most part, which is bound to cause conflict when Josie quietly pines over someone but is too afraid to say anything about it. Lizzie just quickly goes for what she wants, so in this case it just happens to be someone Josie likes... That's how I interpreted it, at least. I'm sure there could also be a degree of going for the new shiny thing and one-upping your sister, because as a sibling I know how petty being a sibling can get. 😭 But I think for the most part Lizzie's intentions were good and Josie just never communicated with her on it so she made herself frustrated. And then it goes back to that issue where, like, Josie herself spends an insane amount of time obsessing over Lizzie and how she's thinking/feeling, so when she feels like Lizzie doesn't notice something that should be obvious about how she's feeling, she feels disappointed and upset. I guess it's like Josie expects the same 'energy' from Lizzie that she gives Lizzie, but then tells herself it's not a big deal if she doesn't get it because Lizzie means well and is her sister that she loves.

But yeah, all of that obviously made Josie more possessive over the crush on Hope... And Josie is just a character who's used to people not staying or returning interest to any degree that really matters? Like she doesn't get grand gestures and the one time she did, from Penelope, she lost her not long after. I think that's another reason why Hope is so special to her. Hope gave her what she wanted from Lizzie, in a sense. Hope gifting her the talisman of sound was proof that she saw Josie and noticed her intimately enough to be able to see her one weakness that was dragging her down and gift her something to help with that. That's so thoughtful and just speaks to how much Hope was paying close attention to her, which is literally what Josie wanted from Lizzie. And then you tack on that Josie had a crush on her that didn't ever get to come out... She has a mountain of unresolved feelings for Hope and then she was the person who physically jolted when Hope fell into Malivore. So, to me, it just felt like she was unnerved by Hope when she started showing up and Josie couldn't remember who she was but could tell she was someone to her. A lot of her jealousy about Landon evaporated when she remembered Hope. I mean, the second Landon left the school, Josie was already taking Hope's hand and asking her to stay. It's like the alternate universe where she was using Connor to pour her affections into (in this case Landon) but then the second she laid eyes on Hope, she forgot all about wanting to tell Connor she loved him. Because she didn't, really. She feels this immediate and magnetic connection to Hope and then realizes that's what she really wants. And in the real timeline, she was just glad to have Hope, even if Landon left. Ughhh, I can't

This has nothing to do with anything anymore and now I'm in a hosie spiral, so

Saw someone say that Hope would be the more jealous one in the relationship (over Josie) and to that I raise them two things:

-Hope was actually pretty understanding when she was jealous of Josie and Landon. She was able to push everything down and force herself to try and move on. I don’t think she’s a very jealous partner overall. Even with H*ndon, Landon was the one who was more jealous (with Roman) and Hope was kind of down to earth about it all. To the point he even got angry with her when he got his memories back and thought she was a little too okay with him being with someone else

-I know this one is partly dark magic’s fault, but Josie was extremely jealous in a relationship with Landon. And that was our first example of her in a relationship, since with Penelope we didn’t get to see their dating life. I feel like Josie was also more unhinged about Landon because she could subconsciously feel his relevance to Hope. She wasn’t jealous when we saw her with Finch later, but that whole relationship lacked any buzz or fire

So yeah, I just think Josie would be the more jealous one if they dated