#someone said that on the dean one
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spinning sam for your dash
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dean and cas love and trust each other unconditionally. they give and they forgive easily. there is never a debt to settle. never a score to keep. i'd rather have you, cursed or not. i prefer trusting, less dumb less ass. i'll go with you (again and again and again). i forgive you, i need you. of course i forgive you. of course i wanted you to stay. i've got you. i love you. etc etc. they are best friends first and foremost. they can talk to each other and be real. they know when the other is lying about being "fine" and they call each other out on it. and then they listen. they get angry sometimes, and miscommunicate often, but they are always approaching everything with the desire to understand, to work together. they worry. they make bad choices sometimes out of a desire to protect the other. keep each other out of a situation and out of the loop. take on the burden for the other. all these flaws and wrong choices are still rooted in love and care. they care SO much. that love and care is at the center of everything they do.
#can u tell i'm annoyed at what someone said on one of my posts lol#to say that dean and cas are constantly indebted to each other and what keeps them together is a long list of IOUs is ????? ludicrous#and to also say they don't fully trust each other until the confession and also saying dean has finally 'earned' cas' unconditional love ??#like that completely misses the Point of their relationship and friendship which is literally literally built on trust and being Equals#and love was never something either of them had to 'earn' from the other#vic.txt
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I know we’ve all talked about the callbacks to the tragic greek myth of orpheus and eurydice in relation to charles and edwin but just think of the callbacks to the more ancient and tragic myth of dean and castiel
#a tale that transcends time and space#i haven’t actually watched supernatural recently enough to think of the connections#but they’re there#believe me#edwin and charles#edwin paine#charles rowland#dead boy detectives#dead boy detective agency#orpheus and eurydice#orpheus#eurydice#dean and castiel#dean and cas#dean winchester#castiel#supernatural#spn#im convinced someone really just said you know what we’re gonna just do them again in a different universe but the right way this time#I’m also perfectly okay if they don’t end up together because i love their friendship#more than words#i just like connections#also if they don’t end up together it will be because romantically they both get happy endings w someone else#not because one of them ends up in superhell#I have trust
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"Don't say that to me. Not you, of all people." -"I don't want to. But it's the truth." (5.18 "Point of No Return")
#do Not argue w/ me abt this relationship bc i will humiliate you with Facts And Logic#im telling you guys i could keep this post series going forever#spn#visual meta#4.04#4.21#5.18#6.07#7.07#9.22#10.22#1) bits I didn't have room for: ''it makes perfect sense if you stop thinking about yourself for one damn minute" (10.23)#''someone's got to be the adult around here'' (15.17)#''you know i have to stop you.'' // ''you can try. but you're not all hopped up on demon blood this time.'' (5.18)#2) you guys should rewatch the full scenes these quotes are excerpted from bc they are truly even worse w/ full context#3) if i tried to remember every time dean said something like ''you don't have to like it but that's how it's gonna be'' to sam i would#explode. ''sorry sam but you don't get a choice'' (s15) comes to mind. very satisfying scene.#tag vomit
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can you expand on what you mean about 12x22 and berens? i’ve never really looked at the writer patterns before but i’m intrigued
so jensen did a solo panel at JIB 8 in 2017 and an earlier question prompted him to recount his experience having difficulty connecting with the mary & dean relationship in s12 and the character motivation behind it. (and i think he's correct in saying that fans picked up on him not gelling with it which actually works in some episodes but feels off in others.)
anyway! berens was on-set when they were filming 12x22 "who we are" and jensen told him "oh god i get it now!" with the "i hate you, i forgive you" speech (that dean's character arc was him needing to forgive mary) and berens had no idea what he was talking about.
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hopefully this embedded correctly to start at the right time code, but if not, he starts talking about it at 19:45
which yes, there's the possibility that berens was just yanking jensen's chain* about not realizing the "i hate you, i forgive you" was the thesis of mary & dean's relationship arc in s12. but also i really am inclined to believe he didn't realize he'd tied up the whole arc bc berens has been such a chronic dean misunderstander over the years. like folks will talk about dean as the "angry man" in late seasons and... that's mostly berens, baby!**
and i know you didn't ask but this is why the confession falls so flat for me. it rings hollow bc this is the writer who has done more than anyone else in the last few seasons to make dean an un-likeable prick. i do like the confession as a radical act of self-love (that "having" doesn't matter and "being" is more important) but as cas confessing his love to dean? yeah, i just can't buy it given the other stuff berens wrote over the years and the narrative framing is just off. much like the finale, it's tragedy wearing an ill-fitting ballgown and looking in a fun house mirror.
so, in summary (x)
* this is a bit unkind, but jensen is such a consummate pro that i would not be surprised if the "maybe he was yanking my chain" was a way to save face for berens since jensen has disagreed with him on his episodes before.
** i did not jive with 14x20 "moriah" until i re-watched it without the baggage of 14x18 before it (14x19 isn't great but does set up the "logic" of dean's actions in 14x20; never 5get that cas wanted to put jack in the cage... how is that different from a ma'lak box?). i think berens was just not a good fit for spn and especially not the direction they were going in during dabb era. i'm not a big fan of him in carver era either but he fit the vibes and direction way better.
#berens' contract was up at the end of s14 & he's said one of the main reasons he stayed was the confession which! not a good reason!#file all of this under: opinions to get you crucified on 2021 destielblr lol#like the issue is really that berens cared about destiel (and destiel only; not the characters) and is part of the traveling slash fandom#someone joked that berens got lead on by a straight guy in college & he's taking it out on dean.#i don't know what's in the man's heart but it IS the funniest option and i am ALWAYS down for 'rule of funniest option'#dare i main tag it?#spn#berensnatural#actually to go back to the 'not a good reason' tag: if you feel your job environment is seriously holding your work back then gtfo!#work doesn't need to spark joy but sticking around for one single thing is just... read ask a manager! alison green has words for you!#that's real job advice btw: unless it's bc $$ you shouldn't stick with a job where you're being held back for just one motivational carrot
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no honestly imagine someone who you were romantically involved with and lived with for a year in a nuclear-family situation saying that you have a "unhealthy, tangled up, crazy thing" with your brother and that they knew "the minute he walked through that door" it was over between the two of you. and then ALSO says "i'm close to my sister. but if she got killed? i wouldn't bring her back from the dead." like i would honestly just bury myself alive if i got read that hard.
#dean's just built different i guess. i seriously don't know how he lived through that without screaming crying throwing up etc#probably because it was all true and he knew it#but he should've felt a lot more shame i'm not gonna lie. your ROMANTIC PARTNER says she knew your relationship was over#as soon as you figured out YOUR BROTHER was alive. NO ONE SAYS THIS SHIT ABOUT SIBLINGS??? and especially the callout from someone who's#NORMAL ABOUT THEIR SIBLING...#like why do people act like we're insane and reading into it too much when this was literally said in the show.#by someone dean was essentially MARRIED TO no less#i just. phew.
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metatron really said "you draped yourself in the flag of heaven, but, ultimately, it was all about saving one human, right?" and cas just looked guiltily off to the side and didn't deny it even for a second
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#i wish i was up on the fandom lore of these seasons#like when this was airing how the FUCK did they explain it#were they still gaslighting y'all like crazy??#like they did a slow zoom into cas's panicked reaction when metatron said dean was dead#they had multiple people acknowledge that cas just gave up an army for ONE man#not the winchesters#not humanity#ONE MAN#they did that - someone please tell me that at this point they weren't still shaming everyone who shipped it#destiel#spn 9x23#spn 9x22#supernatural#spn blogging#my ongoing spn relapse
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I feel nauseous, I just realized Dean had a job application on his desk in that scene with Sam sitting on the bed with Miracle after his death??
This information makes me want to pull out my hair and eat it what the fuck
#and someone told me they tried to read it and they think it said it was for being a POLICE OFFICER????#I’m not okay#no one talk to me#I’m gonna throw up#HE DESERVED A GOOD LIFE#SOBBING#WHYYY#this ending was SO shitty#spn#supernatural#dean winchester#sam winchester#spn 15x20#carry on
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This man is such a mf mood
#Jason dean#heathers#Dude just killed someone and was like ‘it’s okay babes#If I knew him irl I’d be terrified but he’s such an icon I can’t help but love him#🎶our love is god#🎶the dinosaurs choked on the dust they died because god said they must the new world needed room for me and you🎶#our love is god#Im one bad week away from becoming him
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can dean stans never talk to me again lol
#i am going to cry because someone said something mean about sam unwarranted and hes like. my entire world#why are people so comfortable shitting all over something someone obviously likes haha#dictions#is it normal to get this upset? idk#maybe i am being childish but it really fucking grates me#vent#take this lightly i dont mean all dean stans i just mean the ones that hate sam lol. Lol. Lol. so funny
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i gave you a life
#TAKING NOTES#in contrast to the hollstein story which is fairly complete theres MUCH to dive into here#'you used to worship me'#im definitely mentally comparing to the early travelling years of tecteun and the child#i dont think it's said or even implied in the show -maybe the book contradicts it- but i do think mother was involved in carmillas murder#like i think she goes around and when she finds someone suitable she turns them and recruits them#basically what happened with danny right?#and she was murdered by the zetas im not sure if they were already working for the dean at that point#but i wouldnt be surprised if that was and still sometimes is her mo#see someone she likes. someone malleable someone useful someone young and pretty who would be good at seducing sacrifices#and have them killed so she can swoop in the saviour#wait oh my god it was her BIRTHDAY?? thats so sad oh my god#in the movie it sounds a bit like thats the first rebirthday they celebrate but im just gonna headcanon laura did that from the first year#and that that just becomes her birthday bc her actual birthday was also her death day and kind of depressing#and then when carmilla turns vampire again they probably keep that one#carmillaposting
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thinking about jack "i just met her but im 99% sure she's in love with me and we're going to have sex" and marie "if u even look at jack i hate u i hate u i hate u i hate u i ha-"
#confronted with the possibility of jack having an experience without her#(and lets be real a weird psychosexual obsession with her brother that burns into jealousy very easily)#she does not deal well#jack would be the same if marie ever tried to make out with someone btw it's just never happened#marie is like 70% gencestous thoughts about her brother and 30% aromantic confusion. in this way she is again easy for dean to relate to.#also she would not be aware of the exact Reasons she is suddenly filled with anger at the idea of jack getting together with someone#she just would be. and find it very overwhelming.#but connect that to jealousy? she was raised by winchesters she doesn't have that level of emotional intelligence#(also also. hard for anyone to flirt with either of them because they are always touching. always leaning on each other and holding hands#and in each other's laps. like cats. you have to flirt around one of them to get to the other and that is easier said than done.)#im just rambling here aksklajskjad#marieposting#look away dev
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when i was 16 i spent a lot of my free time flipping back and forth between watching supernatural and investigation discovery shows about brutal horrible gruesome murders and i seriously think it did insurmountable damage to my brain i wish i could go back in time and grab that stupid bitch by the shoulders n give her a good shake
#i’m rewatching spn now but i have the Hardest time with empathy now i get way too scared/stressed/upset for pretty much everything#so it’s going really well!! lmfao#i hate how much i sound like twitter omg i’m an empath bitches but seriously i like imagine if i was in x terrible situation n get worked up#like if i was dean winchester i’d have been off the bridge in episode one personally#anyways i wish i could warn teenagers against this shit without sounding like a boomer#i just think avoiding viewing violence young is inarguably for the best idk#i know that’s kinda a moot point from someone who just said they’re watching the violence against marginalized people show. but. still.#i just think that fucked me up a lil!!! and now i’m like trying to work thru the anxiety by proving to my brain that it’s just tv#and nothing bad is happening or will happen. so that maybe i can participate in normal media culture again sometime#no one asked for this post but here it is <3 ok bye <3#posts
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they have me on tumblr defending john winchester it's this fucking dire...
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bill rapidly back on my shit list for telling my best friend vampire deborah ann woll not to dress goth. and for busting out the word 'slattern' in the process which is just showing off
#he said oh i am expressing the exact same sentiment as an early-show dean winchester calling someone a skank. but ill do it 1850s style#ok nobody asked you. jess babygirl . you can wear dollar store mascara and hot topic spike necklace if you want. you deserve it#her little ebony dark'ness dementia raven way outfit in that one scene. she's my best friend#true blood#q
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okay but the THING about mr jean-pierre dorléac going into a blind rage over twitter babygirlifying al calavicci………
he was mutuals with everyone. all of gay quantum leap twitter. almost all of us. at the very least following us. we all post about al being gay on the regular and call out his queerness and the specific way he dresses. we’ve all tweeted it at least once. and he’s even said he finds it nice that we feel connected to his work! and he’s gay himself!
but man. oh man. poor charley comes along. charley shows up. charley is there for maybe a single week. chaos ensues. this man calls charley an asshole. this man tweets consecutively nonstop for 48 hours about how al is ABSOLUTELY NOT GAY!!!!!!!!1!! allison pregler steps in. goes “jean-pierre. stop this! this isn’t you!” this dude does not LISTEN
#idk. i still just think it’s so fucking funny. charley got blocked IMMEDIATELY by the fucking quantum leap costume designer#i was his mutual. not anymore HDVSHHDKSBS#anyone who told him to stop being a dick got blocked#it was a lot. it was a thing#that’s the lore#quantum leap#also one time someone said they were a fan of dean stockwell and he got pissed at them#but that’s a different story
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