#so bingqiu and moshang flirting with him

[coolshadowtwins]

I was thinking about the ranking of ‘canon’ ships on how believable I would find it for them to get together very quickly in fanfiction. Specifically if they have never met before.

So from quickest to slowest I have-

WenZhou from Word of Honor! You get Zhou Zishu and Wen Kenxing in a room together then they are flirting in the first ten minutes, dating in an hour, have had a massive fight and broken up in two hours, gotten back together in three hours and then married the next day.

BingYuan (Luo Bingge/Shen Yuan) from SVSSS is a tricky one to place on here, but I do think it’s relatively fast. Even without knowing SY is the SQQ that he liked so much, LBG is really good at getting people to marry him lol.

BingQiu from SVSSS is only below BingYuan because 1) I think LBG just has a little more charisma than LBH, gained from getting so many wives while LBH was too focused on Shizun and 2) it’s hard to have this ship where they didn’t know each other prior? I do think this ship, to be different enough from BingYuan for this list, needs to be SQQ(Y) and not just plain SY. But even still, I think once Binghe gets past SQQ’s ‘I’m not gay just an immortal cultivator!’ Then they get together so quickly.

MoShang from SVSSS is in the middle here because either they take 20 years of their life or they are dating on day two. No in between.

HuaLian from TGCF is a funny case. I think Hua Cheng falls in love instantly, even faster than any Binghe. And maybe Xie Lian also falls in love instantly- they both kinda strike me as ‘love at first sight’. Now, do they act on these feelings? Absolutely not. Neither wants to bother the other about it until something makes them. (EDIT: I switched HuaLian and WangXian!)

WangXian from MDZS is a funny one because they are the only normal one. If you push them to together long enough, they will just… start to date. Because niether are weirdly obsessed with the other? (Or at least, not as much lol) (EDIT: After much thought, the idea that WangXian would not get together without a plot to drive them got brought up, and without that, they would in fact be last! So I switched HuaLian and WangXian)

I might add more Ships later, if I think of them. Give me your thoughts on the rankings, and your arguments on where they should be placed.

EDIT: Ok, I asked some friends in real life and no one agreed with me. I know when it admit defeat! I switched HuaLian and WangXian, but I will keep everything else the same.

[therubyjailcell]

im mildly obsessed w both bingqiu and moshang rn and just the amount of ideas you can have w shen qingqiu having to deal w post not-break-up (bc they werent fucking dating yet) shang qinghua who is just soooo upset and doesnt know why and totally is gonna go back to their world but he just wants to apologize properly to mobei jun and no he definitely isnt heartbroken, vs luo binghe having to deal with broody mobei jun who just rants abt how the human definitely had been flirting right but then he wanted to leave so whatever, it’s not like he actually cares right, he sent him on his merry way, this isnt relevant, whatever

i just think that’d be the fucking most hilarious thing ever

shen qingqiu abt to fucking loose it bc shang qinghua is so oblivious (no matter how oblivious he himself was lol) and luo binghe just so very much not sure what to do to help, bc his first advice was “follow him and be sticky af to make sure he doesnt get away” which apparently is out of the question for mobei jun

[molliestar]

PSA

call me Chalk or Max, and I use He/She pronouns!

I use this as silly space...

so when i act silly dont be alarmed.

i will post about multiple fandoms and ships, i am multifandom and a multishipper.

I primarily like haikaveh, ifaron, robinhill, bingqiu/bingyuan, cumplane, scumplane, moshang, shadowvanilla

I am also going through the process of planning out my own novel, ideally a danmei, since it takes place in fictional ancient china with the primary couple being two males. but i do live in america, so I am doing a lot of research! I am putting together their designs and will likely be asking for help on plotting, so please enjoy my process 😭

The story will be about an exiled Yao Emperor named Lang Baichu, who was framed for crimes and thrown to the human realm. He takes on a more ordinary human appearance and names it Yao Bailang. During this time of pretending to be a rouge cultivator, he meets his past lover, Su Weichen, who is the leader of one of the top 3 sects! He has to juggle maintaining his human appearance while flirting with Su Weichen (who doesn't recognize him) and investigating who framed him for a crime to take over his empire!! yeah theyre silly

[web-novel-polls]

Cooking a Large Meal Masterpost

Type: Round-Robin Tournament

Submissions - close Jan. 10th, 2024

Tag: #danmei cooking bracket

Main Tournament Masterpost

Start: Sunday, March 17th, 2024

End: Friday, March 29th, 2024

Posting Time: 1 pm CST (UTC-6)

Winner: Bingqiu

Final Standings

Bingqiu 3-0

Moshang 2-1

Wenzhou 1-2

Liu Qi & Bai Chuan 0-3

[Photo ID - a completed Round Robin tournament with three rounds and two matches per round. The first round has two matches - Bingqiu (83.6) vs. Wenzhou (13.8) and Moshang (58.9) vs. Liu Qi & Bai Chuan (31.7). The second round has two matches - Bingqiu (80.3) vs. Moshang (17.1) and Wenzhou (59.7) vs. Liu Qi & Bai Chuan (33.3). The final round matches are Bingqiu (89.1) vs. Liu Qi & Bai Chuan (7.9) and Wenzhou (42.8) vs. Moshang (50.5). /End ID]

[Last Updated: March 30th, 2024]

Completed

Round 1

Bingqiu vs. Wenzhou - Winner: Bingqiu

Moshang vs. Liu Qi x Bai Chuan - Winner: Moshang

Round 2

Bingqiu vs. Moshang - Winner: Bingqiu

Wenzhou vs. Liu Qi x Bai Chuan - Winner: Wenzhou

Round 3

Bingqiu vs. Liu Qi x Bai Chuan - Winner: Bingqiu

Wenzhou vs. Moshang - Winner: Moshang

Character List

[Last Updated: Jan. 8th, 2023]

*Dealer’s Choice

Bingqiu from SVSSS

Characters: Luo Binghe and Shen Qingqiu (Shen Yuan) 

One of Luo Binghe’s main hooks as a stallion novel protagonist (that gets him a giant harem) is his cooking. It’s so delicious Shen Qingqiu, who wants to avoid “wife plots,” can’t help but have him cook for him. 

Submission:

Luo Binghe's love language is literally cooking! He starts making Shen Qingqiu's meals as a teenager, then makes him three meals a day for the 5 years Shen Qingqiu is dead, and ofc cooks for him regularly after they get together. Binghe's congee might as well be a symbol of their love at this point!

Wenzhou from Faraway Wanderers

Characters: Wen Kexing and Zhou Zishu

Submission:

New Year's Celebration chapter my beloved! Anyw yeah Wen Kexing malewifes it up so hard in this one. He cooks a whole feast, he flirts over it ("When one eats, one should eat something handmade by a human being. It has soul and flavor to it, and it might even have love… When you taste it later tonight, you’ll be able to tell”), he puts food into Zhou Zishu's bowl, it's all soooo sweet and domestic!

Moshang from SVSSS 

Characters: Mobei-jun and Shang Qinghua

Submission:

noodles! hand-pulled! he'll make them!!!

Liu Qi and Bai Chuan from The Right Way to Offer a Sacrifice to The River God

Submission: 

Liu Qi x Bai Chuan is a "masterful cook x ultimate foodie" couple. Not only is Liu Qi an amazing cook, his cooking is actually what first draws Bai Chuan to him.  To quote: "Not long later, Liu Qi served up two dishes of home-cooked food. Tomatoes and scrambled egg, vegetables stir-fried with smoked meat, and a large bowl of fish soup."  And then, a few paragraphs later: "Liu Wi once again entered the kitchen and made two bowls of noodles, added in two eggs, and topped it with a few slices of cooked beef."  And then: "Liu Qi rolled his eyes at Bai Chuan's antics and asked, 'What do you still want to eat? Want me to add in another dish of fried prawns?'"   And so on. Bai Chuan, being the river god, brings in all the seafood they want for Li Qi to cook: "With a shake of his sleeves, a heap of seafood that could be found in the river came out from his sleeves, making pitter-patter sounds when they landed on the floor as they were still alive and jumping around energetically. Frantically, Liu Qi called out for him to stop so he could use a small basin to pick up the prawns. The remaining fish and crabs were stored in a bamboo basket for their next meal."   Even better, they split the chores! Bai Chuan uses his river god-powers to act as a magical dishwasher after Liu Qi's done cooking. Peak domestic. What harmony.

Translation Link

[lil0-0blume]

I want to learn how to make edits because I have a list of Lana del Rey songs for every couple that I ship on the mxtx universe (and also for characters alone) but I don’t even know how to start… 🫠🫠

(I already edited before but only some silly things 😭😭)

List of the couples here if anyone is interested:

- HuaLian: Young and Beautiful (Classic, romantic, them)

-Wangxian: Summetime sadness (pls don’t kill me)

-Bingqiu: ArtDeco (like… the vibe?? Just-)

-Moshang: Playing Dangerous (For me, Sqh flirting is something like this -when he’s not afraid ofc)

-Beefleaf: Freak (trust meeee)

-YinZhen: Sad Girl (I’m not afraid to speak the word!!)

-XueXiao: Dark Paradise (Literally died for then, my Roman Empire)

-YueJiu: Cinnamon Girl (the definition of deserved better)

-FengQing: Diet Mountain Dew (THEM. JUST THEM.)

-Bingjiu: Ultraviolence (Got the hots for them but they also deserved better, to god -mxtx- they weren’t her favorite at all lol)

-JunMei: Fishtail (“this is an work of art” seriously, the “You’ll braid my hair” is literally how I envision them in the future, healing, together)

-Niecest: Lust for life (Like you heard that??? The “but my boyfriend’s back… and he’s cooler than ever…” - You cannot convince me otherwise it isn’t them!!!!)

List for the characters:

Binghe: Jealous girl (he was the easiest one for me and I don’t have to explain myself… BE AGGRESSIVE BE- )

Hua Cheng: Cherry (It just reminds me of him!! He really does fall to pieces many times on the story, literally, psychologically and emotionally, in good and bad ways…)

Lan Wangji: Serial killer/Happiness is a butterfly (Suprised for the first one?? Well, for me it’s about the intensity in his love, the type of doing anything and everything for the one he loves… I swear he’s just so dramatic and its just captures his teen phase of ‘first love and I don’t know what to do about it so I’ll just fantasy’ About the second… His time with his love in the first live was short and not completely well lived with so much problems and yet, and yet… he found happiness, also the “if he’s a serial killer than what’s the worst” just fits with the fact that he did in fact tried to save Wwx even against all the things others talked about him, regardless of the truth, he does what he needs to for who he needs… “Looking into his eyes I think he’s already hurt” IM SO SORRY I CANT LIE)

Shen Jiu: Born to die (like I’m not even trying to hurt anyone here but I know it hurts…)

Shen Qingqiu: Doin Time (Why?? Like, “the living is ease” vibe and the sudden “I’ve come to tell you that she’s evil” just reminds me to much of the fact that he’s the “villain”!! And I just imagined the “Louie” in the song as Sqh so much anyway)

Xie Lian: Brooklyn Baby (I don’t think I have to explain this one also right… the fans go “Yeah my boyfriend’s pretty cool… but he’s not as cool as me…” and also, “Baby I’m a gangsta too and takes two the tango” gets me thinking of two different sceneries, a dance with Hua Cheng as his flower and a dance with words representing his martial god nature)

Wei Wuxian: Salvatore (Salvatore is just him, really, the vibe of, like, even if you’re being murdered, you’re smiling and you’re smiling cause you know that, some way, you’ve just fucking won, of being on a serious situation and taking it lightly because is just his way to do things but at same time not as a mockery or a joke to all the suffering, the pain, but rather, an acceptance with a smile… oh gosh what a ride)

Mobei Jun: Black Beauty (like referring to a cold, untouchable beauty like himself, because honestly, life is beautiful but it took a while for him to see the colors but he managed to find his light, or, his “sparrow blue”…)

Shan Qinghua: Meet me at the pale moonlight (I swear, even if doesn’t make sense, for me, his “pale moonlight” is Mobei Jun… but seriously?? The “I’m the sweetest girl in town so why are you so mean?” part FR FR WTH that’s his life you’re singing about Lana)

Xue Yang: Blue Jeans (“Love’s mean… and love hurts” to “I’ll love till the end of times… I’ll wait a million years” is honestly just what he did and also that slightly possessive part “promise you’ll remember that you’re mine” inspired by his insecurities and regrets, only because he was afraid to lose him… couldn’t get any sadder)

Xiao Xingchen: Margaret (In another word yes, yes it could get sadder… He’s just so good… “It kind makes me laugh”, Ah I just keep reminding that scene where he’s with XY, laughing because he’s the easy laugh type of person… And also the “the soul that you bring to the table” I just like to interpret that in a way that he made a family out a villain and homeless distrusting girl and that the “soul” spoken off on the song it’s theirs, how they find “soul” in there, in themselves, in each other…)

Anyway

…Any tips on video edition…? 👀👀

[themolluscasometimes]

this becomes also worldbuilding lore explaining the origin of vampire type demons

IT EXPLAINS WHY DEMONS ARE SO BITEY AND VIOLENT WHEN FLIRTING OMG

demon courting rituals derived from this once upon a time being a well known consequence of heavenly demon blood mite consumption bc what could be more romantic than having a literal biological need for your partners flesh or youll die

(more worldbuilding + moshang idiot courtship under the cut)

they beating them up thing serves several roles and is the most expedient method of expressing sincerity because not only is it a several generations removed distortion of consumption of the lover but it also serves to establish roles in the relationship. not only is it 'let me eat you' but also a method of determining who is the stronger and more vital of the two health and strength wise, so you can figure out who is going to be the provider. like hey are you strong enough for me to depend on you if i turn out to be the weaker of the two of us but also hey are you in need of the nourishment of my flesh lovebug?? 🤗

this could also be a rite of passage upon which one receives the demonic equivalent of meaningful gender roles and pronouns and titles are adjusted accordingly

in the case of someone who is polyamorous they may receive multiple forms of address which also provide in conversation context for how you are referring to them in the moment and if their relationship to certain partner/s is more or less relevant to the speaker (yay linguistics!!)

obviously this is a pretty significant life event for the young adult demon who until now has been assigned gender pronouns and titles of Young, vaguely genderless, which means you would only do this when seriously pursuing a future with someone (young demons in positions of power, wealth or repute may be assigned these regardless of this coming of age rite but there are prefix/suffix modifiers to signify this difference and they are subject to change depending on multiple factors)

for some couples this specific form od consumption may not be biologically feasible like it is for bingqiu due to the biology of the individuals so theyll find other ways around it depending on their soecific traits but it isnt uncommon for demons to be literally gnawing on their loved ones or taking parts of their bodies to use as ingredients in the others' food

yes this may be technically a vore au (?) but its in my hands and therefore cant be sexy cannibalism bc ive thought of smth way funnier

enter moshang

now by the time mobei starts beating sqh in a romantic sense sqh and he have already crossed several milestones in the relationship including sqhs VERY forward gesture of once actually biting mobei jun

not really enough bc they havent clearly communicated their intentions, most demons by this point would also have had more explicitly romantic interactions like idk confessing and kissing and bumping nasties like YES based on sqhs actions one would determine that they are mutually interested in one another as committed life partners but theyve skipped so much of the actual acts of partnership that even for most demons it hasnt been acted upon explicitly enough for the beating up stage so to the outside observer sqh may be forward but mbj is even more forward and moving VERY FAST and its actually kind of obscene and embarrassing to witness like holy shit dude have some chill (ahah)

however no matter how many times mbj beats sqh, sqh has yet to bite him again or request nourishment in any form nor has he properly submitted to mbjs provision of his needs (probably weird gifts idk)

the result of which is a terrible evening where mbj walks in to see sqh, clearly stressed and tired, chewing on his OWN hair and his OWN nails which us EXTREMELY OFFENSIVE bc why would he rather starve and deprive himself by feeding on his own flesh when mobei jun is RIGHT THERE and mobei jun throws a little tantrum but he knows by now that sqh mustve got the message and is craving flesh like anyone in his position having been wooed so thoroughly for so long would so its not like he needs to beat sqh rn bc theres more important thing to be doing - despite how offensive sqhs behaviour is right now its still a sign that mbjs efforts have been paying off and so naturally now is the perfect time for the next step in the relationship so after he calms down a little (not at all he looks like someone just killed his mother and also his dog but he doesnt know that) he slices off his own nails and offers them in a little bowl to sqh for him to chew on and then offers him strands of his own hair

and sqh is like my king what the FUCK

and mbj is like you little asshole eat my fucking flesh ill not have you depriving yourself and starving yourself of the proper nourishment when i, the proper source of your health and wellbeing, am right here (he does not say this but believes it has been communicated) and glares at him some more so now sqh, fearing for his life, has to chew on the ends of mbjs hair and his nails

anyway things are weird between them bc mbj has hurt feelings and sqh still hasnt acknowledged his wrong doing and doesnt seem to be enjoying his very well cared for hair ends (maybe he would prefer some crispy skin??? or some blood?) so hes being kind of standoffish and weird and pathetic little meowmeow about it meanwhile sqh is spiralling bc not only is his king pissed at him for some reason and seems like,, maybe actually upset about something???, but also keeps randomly insisting that sqh chew on his hair and nails and hes fucking terrified bc what is going on

mbj is still pretty hurt by sqhs decision to feed on an inadequate source instead of him but at least now hes eating what he needs to be, and sqh is like really really confused, disgusted, afraid, and beginning to sense that something is happening which he has severely misunderstood about mbj (what is wrong with him, is he insane, is he a freak, is this some kind of bizarre nd creepy kink (not far off tbh lol), has he been drugged etc.)

Life update my blood mite top up from earlier this week (iron infusion) is beginning to take effect and maybe today i will spend more than 30 minutes not in bed watching cdramas

be afraid

also who is gonna tell binghe that the heavenly demon blood mites are the colour of tannin rich bog water

like this looks like swamp water right

probably he couldve tricked sqq into drinking blood mites like theyre tea instead of assaulting him actually LOL

[piosplayhouse]

Yeah, I can see your perspective for sure!

Putting some thoughts under the readmore so this isn't too long:

I think the most common valid complaint I see from even SV mains is that bingqiu isn't really a developed relationship by the end of the main story, and I would definitely agree! But I do think there is some merit in considering that a. The story ends with the note "their story has just begun", so I guess you could argue that the point is that it's sort of open-ended of how you think their relationship continues (in the spirit of svsss's main themes centering around the beauty of fan creation) and b. the svsss extras are a lot more bulky than the other novels' and contain a great deal more development/content for post-canon bingqiu that isn't even awarded to the other couples, like their canon wedding ceremony and complete outsider povs to their relationship in the form of the airplane extra.

I didn't personally think that bingqiu getting together was forced, but that's mostly to do with how I read sqq's character development as having nothing to do with developing new feelings and everything to do with growing into his feelings and being able to accept and see people for what they are (he's always loved binghe, he just wasn't comfortable acknowledging it because he was essentially living on a limited thought fear survival mode for 10 years). I know their actual "getting together" scene is very divisive within the fandom, but I find it really fitting in that it ties a lot of the meta themes regarding the stallion genre together-- sqq foreshadowed it from the very beginning: sex solves everything in stallion novels. And in a surface-level way, this is true. Sex saves the world of svsss, but rather than being romanticized, it's unglamorous, disgusting, uncomfortable. It's forced by a hand of god working much in the same way as airplane and other webnovelists like him-- physicality is the ultimate goal because it gets the most approval from horny readers. But scum villain subverts this because in reality, nearly nothing is solved by the sex. It's only when bingqiu talk about their feelings that they feel secure and begin to heal. (Also I'm not sure if you read the extras but I do have to say that binghe isn't actually that clingy by nature it's all sqh's fault because he directly told binghe that the best way to flirt is to act pathetic and clingy LMFAO . And it worked! SQQ actually talks a lot in the extras about how he likes when binghe pushes him and how sometimes he wished he would push more so he could pretend to "give in"). SQQ is such a good unreliable narrator because he continuously fools himself into thinking ways opposite to how he's feeling, and his relationship with binghe is entirely an example of that.

Ironically, hualian is my least favorite main couple because their feelings really also don't seem to develop but in a totally opposite way. From the very beginning they're sort of "happy ever after" coded and really don't go through any patches where you could doubt that they'll end up happily married. Which is good for some people! But tgcf is, I believe, really the only book of the three that's marketed mostly as a romance novel (as opposed to SV being first and foremost a satirical parody and mdzs being more of an action/mystery novel), so the fact that Hualian are basically married from the very beginning and this never changes is just kind of .. boring to me sahksn

But that's just my opinion! Again I'm not sure if you've read all the extras but if you have I'm curious on how you feel about moshang (who are a canon mxtx couple! A lot of people don't know this but they are confirmed) because they're a Can Of Worms for sure.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts!! It was really fun to read and I'm glad we could have a nice discussion about this, it's interesting to get other perspectives! ^^

(putting on my conspiracy theory hat) yunno a lot of people make the argument that TGCF is the best mxtx novel just because it's the last one and she's "learned from her mistakes" but you know... I don't actually agree.

Sorry I have to drag scum villain into everything I post but I do think that there's something to say that mxtx's first book, before she became really popular, was about how popularity can pollute a writer's intentions and prevent them from pursuing what they actually want to write. I do think this applies to tgcf, which does, in my opinion, show a sort of stress that comes with being in the limelight that sv didn't have. I've seen a lot of people comment things like "SV is good but it needs a LOT of editing" and it's perfectly fine to think that way, but I do think you have to take into account that ultimately... SV was not the story that mxtx chose to heavily edit, it was tgcf.

I don't really like to make assumptions about the writing process because you truly don't know what's happening but in my personal opinion SV has a spark that the others don't have quite as much of, the spark that's just "oh, the author had a LOT of fun writing this". And I think that's, though not as quantifiable as some other measures of books, is a very important part of making a piece of writing good!