#sinjoh ruins

[dr-yung]

《 Seek out all Pokémon. 》 - SinJoh Ruins/Arceus Wallpaper/Lockscreen

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[pokemonprofessorintraining]

Sinjoh Ruins Day 2:

I have nothing to add. The unowns are making fun of me, the markings in the wall I found today mean literally nothing special (or at least I think they don't) and to top it all off, they stole the cake Alex brought me ;-;

They didn't even eat it. They're just playing with it right in front of me. I fucking hate this place, I fucking hate these unowns and I fucking hate WHATEVER THE FUCK KEEPS MAKING THIS WEIRD ASS NOISE!!!!!!!

That's all for today.

[the-npc]

I found almost every photo used in the Arceus HeartGold and SoulSilver event!

More photos and commentary after the readme!

Most of these are stock images(no surprise), but it was really hard to get some in a decent quality, and some were hard to find period, since so many of the sources for these link to now defunct websites. I found most of these and put them in a twitter/x thread years ago, but I went back and found some in better quality and found some I hadn't back then when I was painting over screenshots!

There are still a few that I haven't found. This sun is extremely hard to find specific images for on account of it looking like so many other stars and having very specific detailsthat don't get picked up on by image searches like the spots:

These books are also very hard to find because they look like every other stock photo of books being stacked on top of eachother:

And there's an eclipse image in the cutscene which I'm not sure about, because it could either be a stock photo or a picture made by gamefreak, I personally am not sure. If you find any higher res images of the ones I found or found the actual images for ones I haven't, please lmk bc that would be so cool!!!

[dispatches-from-the-lorecord]

What on earth is up with the Sinjoh mountains?

[May 05, 2022] 

{Haji:}

Now looking back at the conversations around that point [the finale of The Wooper Who Saved Christmas], we talked a lot about Bill's connection to the Outsiders may have stemmed from the fact his childhood home was the site of the final confrontation with Team Rocket in TWWSC, and where Rocket Boss Shawn unleashed the question mark glitch on Wooper and gave us time-space-physical manipulation powers. Granted Bill's family didn't live there yet but that doesn't mean there wasn't a lot of lingering glitchwork in the old place when they did.

Kinda funny to realize the rest of his family may not have stayed around long given we know his mom and sister at least moved back to Johto but he stayed in Kanto with his own growing family and stuck to his work.

What's interesting though is Kanto seems to be at the bottom of the "Sinjoh Mountain Range," if you will, which even if not as religiously prominent as Mt. Coronet, the range does seem to include the Sinjoh Ruins, Unown Cave, and Mt. Silver since the mountains appear to go all along the northern border until reaching Cerulean Cape. (Rock Tunnel doesn't directly connect to this since the Cape divides Route 9 from the mountains).

Which for TPP means these mountains likely have some weird aspects to it since we talked about the significance of places like Mt Moon and the League holding powers or gateways or whatever reason there is for our Kanto hosts have that be the place they need to reach for one reason or another.

In TWWSC, we see that the old mansion Bill's family was looking to buy was basically built right into the side of the mountain given how large it is inside compared to what we see later with his house, which may also be why Team Rocket had their headquarters there before Giovanni built the Game Corner.

What does this have to do with anything? Well besides the PC, what does most of Bill's work seem to work with? Link Cable technology. Which wouldn't be a big deal except the canon universe has made the Link Cable and it's core energy so terrifyingly meta powerful, and that Bill canonically knows enough about it to perform time travel in Gen II says something. And in Sevii when he's working with Celio, we see it can be powered by rocks since somehow a Ruby and Sapphire can connect regions to overseas? Gems and Crystals seem to hold HUGE amounts of power in both the Pokemon and TPP world, something he might have learned by living in the mountains.

But Time travel, outside of our jokes with Dialga and Celebi, is often a Glitchmancy standard. Which again, kid Bill may have learned from Wooper and our Mega Stone shenanigans causing our Wooper to physically divide and multiply itself showcasing stone divinity and / or infinity energy (since Wooper was somehow able to Mega without a Key Stone or Trainer) in the days before Fossilism retook Kanto by storm. Which was already pointed out [in some older lore], Bill's dealings with Glitches as a kid probably is what drew him to Dome in the first place.

But that's not all, because we know that Glitchmancy tends to cause fusions or human / Pokemon shifting to occur! And while it may have been an accident, I can't help but wonder if there's some connection between Bill's Clefairy accident, Larry's intentional creations [in Fused Crystal and Bootleg Green], and Old Man Glitchduck [in Anniversary Red] (whatever the hell happened there).

Granted they're all at different points of the timeline, but the similarities make me wonder if it's all connected to Link Cable technology.

Which may or may not have been discovered by Santa :Kappa:

Also with all these fusions or shape shifters, I suppose it doesn't help that "Nameless Glitch" or Decamark we saw in TWWSC apparently has the ability to change it's appearance since it usually poses as a Delibird or outright goes invisible when protecting itself.

And Santa uses those too seeing how he can go invisible and appeared like an old man but changed his look in battle. But did he change to be more intimidating or is that his true self? Tl;Dr - TWWSC's final confrontation opened a big can of worms in Bill's history, and possibly introduced the world to the long-since buried knowledge of Infinity Energy in the form of Mega Evolution and time travel capabilities. Energy that causes Pokemon to warp into their Mega Forms but can also create hybrid monsters in the wrong hands

Also drawing lines between the Fossil Pantheon and Sinjoh Ruins and different Glitch monsters like the ones we saw in Anni Red Battle Tent

...So draw lines between Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, Sinnoh, and Kalos via game mechanics meta :tppLUL:

Goddammit Wooper :pogsire:

Ugh I'm sorry if I'm just rambling and didn't have this organized enough to explain anything. So sleepy :tppNap:

{Xacrom:}

This run has to be the most influential thing on the lore since Olden :LUL:

{RomanoffBlitzer:}

The Wooper who Saved Lore.

{Xacrom:}

I love the observation about all this magic mountains being all part of the same mountain range in particular

{denne/faeiri:}

wooper strong and good

im running off to work so maybe ill put more words to this later but i love how mountains as a religious place/place where weird shit happens is like, built so hard into both tpp lore and also has some in regular pokemon lore. it makes me do eyes emoji

{Haji:}

Yeah it's kinda funny when I got to looking at the maps. Like years ago I had this clip of Giratina explaining to Pepe about staples in the space-time balance and it came up how "the battle of the mountain must always occur, so the battle of the mountain can always occur, so the battle of the mountain will always occur" but never really had a fleshed out idea of where to put it since it also required the visual gag of showing the different fights whether it be Red and AJ, Napoleon and Cyrus, Jimmy and N , ect.

But yeah I know it's supposed to be epic but there are a ton of mountain battles in Pokeverse

It was only while working on my Blue fic though I got to realizing that Mt Silver, Mt. Moon and Unknown Cave are all likely connected in the underbelly, which lore wise makes sense given Dome and Helix's battle ground and the sacredness of Mt Silver so maybe Mewtwo was drawn out there. But then I realized it goes further than that given layouts and we know Sinjoh Ruins are somewhere north of the map but still seems connected.

My Coronet and Cinnabar may even be part of it too if they're all just a volcanic chain but getting into the islands being considered the same range might be stretching it...

[mountmortar]

with firered and leafgreen being a gen 3 game i like to think that since red's on top of the tallest mountain in kanjoh leaf might be chilling in the deepest cave in hoenn or something. would that be the cave of origin? it might be the cave of origin. i'm not as well-versed in hoenn's layout. anyway to create a contrast to red's complete and utter silence on mt silver i would love it if brendan or may went back to the heart of the cave of origin and just found leaf cursing up a storm because she missed the whole thing with the legendaries by like. a month or so. and then you have to fight her because she's pissed off about it

[saturnniidae]

Thinking about early last year when I was deep in the trenches of pokeani hyperfixation and brainrotting over a whole post-canon au about Ash and Gary traveling together in their late teens because estranged childhood friends who simultaneously know each other incredibly well, but are also strangers in many regards make me SICK.

The idea was Gary and Ash had a promise to travel together as kids before their falling out and finally decide to make good on it (because after an incident on a Project Mew mission, Gary has holed himself up in his grandfather's lab and is making himself miserable, and Ash is realizing he initially didn't understand how much publicity would come with being World Champion so he goes back home for a bit)

But oh shit they get Hisui'd and have to deal with being centuries in the past but seeing the faces of people they've met and fought before (both of them have like a mini heart attack upon meeting Cyllene bc the famliy resemblance is STRONG and they're both like 'what the fuck how are you alive we saw you launch yourself into a space portal') basically digging up old trauma because I love love love thinking about how much the stuff with Team Galactic in Sinnoh must've messed Gary up for years afterwards.

Anyways, I just found the doc for it and damn I need whatever I was on last year because I dare say it goes kinda crazy

[antihibikase-archive]

Thought about the PokeAni Movie plots since the entirety of Relic Castle Arc was inspired by the Entei Movie (and The Book of Exodus), so I came up with post-Relic Castle adventures for them;

Manaphy Movie - takes place a year after Relic Castle, which is how Cheren gets his Manaphy. The Slater brothers head to Oblivia with Noland and Norman only to get entangled in a mission with Rand, Noland and Norman's youngest brother. Hilbert sneaks onboard with Nate and Hugh, and they go through the plot of the Temple of The Sea, with the antagonists being Purple Eyes of the Pokemon Pinchers.

Celebi Movie - takes place around the same time as the Manaphy Movie; Bianca leaves on an assignment to the Sinjoh Ruins from Fennel, and is accompanied by Hilda, Rosa, and N. Trekking through the forest leading to the ruins, they meet a pair of sisters with an injured Celebi, claiming they were transported out of their time and are seeking for a way to return while avoiding the strange people in suits who are seeking to capture Celebi. The antagonists are Archer and Arianna, ex-executives of Team Rocket.

Deoxys Movie - takes place just before SM/USUM arc, so around a year and a half or two years after Relic Castle, with the setting being a newly renovated and technologically advanced Battle Frontier in Hoenn, having been modeled after LaRousse City in the anime following Anabel's retirement. Grimsley and Nikolai came to Hoenn under orders from the league, for Nikolai to look into a meteor that fell in the vicinity recently, while Cheren accompanies Nate in trying out the different facilities.

After Deoxys awakens and unintentionally traps everyone by tampering with the electromagnetic waves, the block bots and robots in the city prevent many from leaving, trapping them in the area with Deoxys and its growing clones, who is searching for something. There aren't antagonists in this story considering it's Deoxys and Rayquaza simply having a misunderstanding and involving the people in the area, but Nikolai takes Tory's place in befriending the docile Deoxys within the meteor.

[pastelfates]

bc dash,,, poke!verse Sunny 💕

[cheswirls]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA omg my celebrity crush

her dress too its!!!!!! wowie its so different but i like it. i rly rly like it

[kafus]

okay i just talked to every NPC in veilstone because it's been a long time and man sinnoh's NPCs are peak, at least out of the 2D games i feel like they provide the most humor and the most random lore tidbits and stuff. i love this region. i'm going to talk about it

first off sinnoh is full of little things like this. random dialogue/flavor text that ties back to the mythos of the region. i love how widespread the sinnoh myths are

i'm also obsessed with when there's two NPCs that link together like this. you talk to one and you move on and then you talk to another and you're like oh! lmao. by the way the rage candy bars being here is cool because sinnoh is canonically connected to johto through the sinjoh ruins and the rage candy bars are from johto, which means they're imported and sold here. in general i'm obsessed with the locations in pokemon that have special treats associated with them, like the pewter crunchies of pewter city in kanto, or the lava cookies from lavaridge in hoenn. iconic

btw don't worry lady literally everyone sucks at making poffins. unless you have four players it's pretty much impossible to make poffins that are better than the storebought ones. good luck getting four people with rare berries who are good at the minigame to play with you, ESPECIALLY in 2023 jesus christ. the basement poffins are OPTIMAL

anyway in speaking of linking NPCs, these two - i wonder if the dialogue in the french version of this game is turned into english? they did that for lt. surge's french pikachu trade, the french versions of HGSS make the pikachu english instead lol. but anyway as usual it's very fascinating to me how much pokemon loves to drop foreign language in its titles, and fittingly i know a lot of people with english as their second language got interested in learning english from a young age due to wanting to play pokemon. how many kids do you think got interested in french because of dialogue like this. the girl even implies what the meaning of his words is

veilstone isn't short on game hints either, useless to me now as an adult longterm pokemon player who knows all this stuff already but still really cool to see. if sinnoh is your first time playing pokemon, those hints on trade evos and stuff are always appreciated.

of course, funny dialogue too that got a wheeze out of my nose, not uncommon for pokemon NPC dialogue SDKFSFDK some of this shit takes me so offguard it's like extra funny

like GIRL ISN'T THAT WHAT A PARASOL IS FOR????

edit: my DUMB ASS (lighthearted) has been reminded that parasols are for the sun and are NOT an umbrella equivalent. okay she makes more sense now LOOL

also LOOKER JUSTIFYING HIS GAMBLING :skull emoji: this shit is taking me out. see this is useful because it's like oh galactic is really all over this city huh. not only their massive building but they have their logo in the fucking slot machines, they probably have some amount of ownership over this place like team rocket did over the celadon game corner. but also it's funny because SDFSDFK

OH AND MAYLENE'S DAD IS JUST... HERE? generic NPC. generic sprite. no name. he's just here. maylene's dad. you know, one of the gym leaders. help girl

anyways i'm aware i basically just posted most of the dialogue in veilstone city verbatim but I JUST THINK IT'S INTERESTING! I MISS WHEN POKEMON GAMES WERE FULL OF DIALOGUE LIKE THIS AHHHH i have more to say about the galactic lore but i'm running out of image space and i need to use the bathroom and get some food so i'll post about that a little later

[lostwysteria]

*Akari and Volo in the Sinjoh Ruins*

Akari: Man, I hope we don’t get eebie deebied somewhere.

Volo: *bombastic side eye*

...

Alternate!Arceus number 1: *sips tea* And I took that as a challenge

Akari's Arceus: *sips more Irish than cofee* She's about to ruin your whole carreer.

[synthetic-radiance]

Cynthia, you know, the champion that often visits the Sinjoh ruins.

Champion?

...

woah.

[pokemonprofessorintraining]

Sinjoh Ruins Day 8:

I noticed an interesting thing today

as I said, the ruins are a place that connects our multiverse in this weird way, being the basis of many different interactions between worlds, and I decided to test it.

I'm not very good with technology, but I managed to connect to this weird "tumblr" site. It's pretty similar to rotumblr, even the names are pretty similar, but people there don't have pokemon.

Or like, they do, but it's apparently a game of sorts!!

They also have these weird creatures that look like pokemon called animals, but it's quite hard to tell their typings. Dogs, cats, fishes, crabs...

Dogs seem to be normal, ground and/or dark. The same for cats. Fishes and crabs are water, I think, but there are a lot of fishes that seem to be from other typings, mostly being psychic, fire, fairy, dark.

Maybe one day I'll try and learn more about this strange world.

That's all for today.

[phlurrii]

There is a mystery someone on the Family Tree that Arceus created, Qari’s parent. Qari jumping through time-space and all… Did Arceus make a new Palkia? The event in HGSS where you take an Arceus to the Sinjoh ruins and get a baby Dialga, Palkia, or Giratina could hint at this? A baby Palkia? That becomes Qari’s parent?

You’re SO close, Qari and that mystery character don’t have anything to do with it tho. That’s the wrong side of the tree.

But you’ve got the SS event right… ✨✨

[leopxll]

sinjoh ruins

[pkmndaisuki]

so i'm seeing today's the 15th anniversary of hgss' release and i have... complicated feelings on it.

first off, i did get them both day one and i have the statuettes of lugia and ho-oh to prove it. i adored gen 2 as a kid so i was excited to revisit johto. what details of it trickled through corocoro scans and serebii thrilled me, and when i heard the leaked rival battle theme on youtube i cried. it sounded amazing and i was really hyped.

and i did just about everything you could do in heartgold, including the events back in the day (spiky-eared pichu, celebi, sinjoh ruins with arceus), and really liked the team i made. and i've tried to replay soulsilver (keeping my original save on hg) a few times.

operative word being "tried".

there's a lot that hgss changed that just sour the experience for me. for one, the new neighbor kid (the character you didn't pick). they make the once-skippable capture tutorial mandatory, they show up intermittently and only for things that weren't wholly necessary, and the bit at the day care where you're a) forced inside and b) the day care lady (who is neighbor kid's grandma) thinks you and their grandchild are dating? weird. we're 10 what the hell, lady.

it seems like game freak tried to repeat what they did with dawn/lucas in dppt, but at least dawn/lucas actually have plot relevance. ethan/lyra do nothing. they feel incredibly shoehorned in and you can't not interact with them as they pop up.

speaking of things you can't skip, the sequence where you have to dress as a rocket grunt to enter goldenrod radio tower. it would've been cool... if silver didn't bust your disguise as soon as you enter and then just go through the tower as in gen 2. there was 0 point to that. it was just an unnecessary time waster and i don't know why they bothered.

yes, it's neat going through a region with abilities and the physical/special split and modern moves that didn't exist before. it does make for a new challenge. but new doesn't always equal cool.

and my god the localization is just awkward. for one, 90% of the script was just lifted from gsc, games with much smaller resolution and textboxes than on a ds. for two, the new stuff doesn't gel well with the old writing-wise. for three, i don't think they even credited the guy whose translations they used wholecloth throughout the game and practically carried the first four gens of english pokemon games on his back: nob ogasawara.

i also don't think they credit him in other remakes that use his translations either. oras, bdsp and pmddx are all remakes of games he translated solo. check the credits of those next time you play them.

like the least they could've done was a "based on the original translation by" line or something. i mean, he's the one who wrote iconic lines like "I like shorts! They're comfy and easy to wear!" that are referenced in the english games to this day.

but i digress. the games themselves may have added a ton of new postgame content that's neat, i have 0 desire to go through the main game to get there anymore. i'd rather just play gen 2.