#side b lgbt

[side-b-bumblebi]

Trying to detox from toxic ideas internalized as a result of legalistic Christianity while still being Christian is so weird

Like yes my faith is still important to me and sustains me through my worst moments. I heard some wild stuff growing up tho

[itsallwearecalledtodo]

happy pride remember the sacred heart of Jesus beats for all lgbt people, too

[beloved-of-john]

sorry if this is a silly or obvious question, but whats side a and side b of the homosexuality and christianity debate? i googled it and couldn't find anything.

It's no problem! So a basic outline is:

Side A is the position that homosexuality is not in conflict with Christianity and that homosexual relationships can be pleasing to God. Sex between homosexual partners is no more sinful than sex between heterosexual partners and gay people should be welcome in the church. Gay marriage is supported.

Side B is the position that homosexuality is acceptable as long as it remains strictly non-sexual. Homosexual sex is uniquely sinful, and gay people should only be welcome in the church if they make a promise of chastity. Gay marriage is not supported as this position holds that marriage is only between one man and one woman.

I myself am very firmly Side A. As you probably saw in my pinned post, I can accept Side B as a personal choice for queer people, as long as they have truly made that decision themselves, although I don't agree with the logic behind it. The other options I didn't bring up because they are entirely unacceptable to me. There's Side X, which advocates for conversion therapy, and Side Y, which holds that it's not just homosexual sex that's sinful but any homosexual thoughts or feelings whatsoever, however involuntary.

[bananafishdepression]

This is the best fucking scene in whole anime idc what anyone says if you dont think the same dont talk to me i love it so much its beautiful its everything

[patron-saint-of-lesbeans]

I go into a video call expecting to just get information about a ‘come and see’ retreat and I end up having to speedrun coming out to a strange religious person for the third time in like two weeks.

[side-b-support-squad]

I often see people online say that side b Catholics shouldn't identify with our sexuality (either by saying we're side b or by saying we're gay, bi, etc.) because our only Identity is in Christ, which is true partially. But what's also true is that we all have lowercase i identities, descriptors for ourselves so people know more about who they're talking to and why they may be talking about certain things above others. On tumblr alone I've seen these same people describe themselves as vegan Catholics, conservative Catholics, tradcats, Roman Catholics, Chaldean Catholics, and a bunch more. These are all lowercase i identities. They're a quick way to define who you are and where you stand on most issues that cut out a lot of questions and help people know more about you right away. "Side b" and other lgbt labels work the same way. They are identifiers, but they are not our uppercase I Identity, which is in Christ. They don't define us in the way that our uppercase I Identity does and they're not as important, but they still matter and they're still helpful

Consider this. Someone tells you "yeah I don't eat meat, I don't think it's healthy for me and I prefer to treat humans and animals the same because we're all God's creation". You ask them why, and they reply with "I'm Catholic". See how that can be confusing? It's almost like that missing lowercase i identity is important and gives context to their beliefs

It's the same way with side b Catholics. If you ask someone why they're choosing to remain celibate even though they want a family and all they reply with is "I'm Catholic so this is the best option for me", thats really confusing. But if they were instead to respond with "I'm a gay Catholic so this is the best option for me" that explains why they believe what they believe and doesn't lead to confusion. So you see, lowercase identities and our uppercase Identity are both important. It's okay to use identifiers, especially if you find yourself in a conversation where they're helpful

[idylls-of-the-divine-romance]

"You're a sinner and you're going to hell." And you're a sinner for condemning me so how about you pray for me before I lay hands on you... to uh pray for you. Ofc.

[cheerfullycatholic]

You've probably been asked this before, but what is your stance with the LGBT+ community? Are you for trans rights? I am Catholic myself and keep seeing wildly different takes from other Catholics, but want to know your opinion on it.

This is probably not gonna be worded well and I apologize for that

I'm a side b Catholic, so I believe people in the LGBT community, like myself, can acknowledge our sexuality and still have a holy life and completely follow the Church's teachings (which is being celibate and not acting on homosexual or transsexual feelings and temptations). I'm for trans rights in that I believe everyone has a right to live their lives without fear of oppression, hate, and violence, but I do not support transitioning or acting as though you are a gender that you aren't because God does not put people in the wrong bodies. Much like my beliefs on homosexuality, gender dysphoria is part of the Fall so I believe that it should be accepted in that it exists and someone with it is not incapable of having a relationship with God and doesn't have to "get rid of it" or "heal" from it in order to enter Heaven, but shouldn't be accepted in that the desire to change one's gender identity and body to fit it should not be acted on, though I know people have the freedom to pursue that and I don't hate or think less of anyone who does

[fawnofreligion]

Reading the Bible…again

Ok here’s what’s happening. For a little history, I have read the Bible two times now. The first time was during Covid when I read the Bible, the Torah, and the Quran as I was exploring and researching different faiths. I ended up getting rid of my Bible and I am still mad about it to this day because damn it was a nice one. The second time was during a religious studies course at my (formerly) Catholic University, where we read the Jewish Study Bible.

Now I’ve decided to pick that same Bible back up digitally so i can read it wherever i want just with my iPad and I am really excited about it!! I honestly will probably go in order just because that’s what my brain prefers but maybe I’ll track it here with my notes we’ll see!! Also if anyone has any recommendations for study bibles that aren’t super expensive (broke college student noises) I’d love to hear them!!

[consoleyourself]

Getting kinda tired of seeing my Catholic&Christian friends on here reblogging posts about how all trans folks are predatory, grooming perverts and then following up with how sad it is that dysphoric people are being tricked into irreversible surgery to try and solve their problems.

I'm sure there *is* some minority of trans adults out there that are predatory....just like there is a minority of priests, parents, teachers, etc. thst are predatory.

But the implication seems to be that trans folks are both scheming perpetrators and naive victims. But there is no thought or consideration given in these posts to the genuine anguish and suffering that people feel from dysphoria. Do any of you know how that feels? Do you know how it feels to be struggling with these feelings and then see your friends make thinly veiled accusations that "dysphoria isn't real, and actually you are just a disgusting pervert"? Do you know how dehumanizing it is to look past the suffering people experience and make blanket generalizations about how they actually feel and why they do what they do?

I get it. You think transitioning is wrong. It hurts people. You want to bring that to light. You want to have someone to blame. You want people to avoid harming themselves in ways that can't be undone. It's a noble and good thing to want to help people avoid doing harm to themselves. But please. Stop dismissing their struggles as an 'evil fetish' or a result of manipulation by the 'evil left.' Please have a bit more compassion and consideration, especially for your side B friends that *aren't* acting on these feelings, but still struggling with them.

I know you're not bad people. I know you are my loving friends that only intentionally seek the good of others. I don't mean to be condescending. But you're not going to reach people, especially people in the midst of transition, or post transition, or considering transition by demonizing or infantilizing them. Even if those blanket statements were true, they're not particularly helpful. If you want to make a difference in a trans friend's life (side b or otherwise)....take a minute to talk to them. Ask them how they're feeling. Ask how you can pray for them. Remember that they are people and not a nameless talking point.

Thanks for reading through my rant. God bless.

Comments, reblogs, and criticisms welcome.

[sidebsapphic]

hey!! you can call me veronica. 24, she/her prns.

nondenominational Christian (raised baptist), side b sapphic (specifically bisexual), & lover of silly things, like cartoons and anime.

toga will survive the war arc! (delusional)

anyways, i had a side b blog years ago, but i took it down. no big controversy or hate train or anything. i think i wasn’t “serious” abt dedicating every part of myself to God. i still cling to manmade identities and escapist relationships.

anyways, i’d love to get to know more side b Christians, and Christians in general <3 since my last blog (sidebchristian) i’ve grown a lot in my local church community irl, and i want to be part of a Christian community online as well.

God is good, you are loved beyond measure, and Jesus Christ thinks you’re to die for. 💌

[side-b-bumblebi]

I think one of the hardest things about discussions involving groups of people is that you start to see people as [arbitrary concept] and not as... people. You'll talk trash on people because you think that nobody in your friend group is one of *those* people.

But the kid who's struggling with their sexuality hears you when you say that gay people are going to hell.

The kid who came out on the other side of childhood trauma and abuse hears you when you use their circumstances to justify abortion, essentially implying you'd be better off dead.

The person who's trying not to self-harm in your circles and hasn't found the guts to ask for help yet hears you when you call cutters attention seekers or crazy.

People are far more than [insert group]. They're not 2D representations of a group they're a part of. They're living, human beings. Remember that when you use your words.

[sanctity-in-sexuality]

What would you say to a fellow Catholic that is at least a little bit bisexual but has no intentions of acting on it? It feels weird ngl

Hello! I think that depends on what you mean by "it feels weird".

There are loads of faithful Catholics who experience various levels of same-sex attraction. If you struggle with attraction, or if you just feel a little alone in it, joining a supportive group of Catholics with the same issue can be very helpful!

There's generally two different community approaches to SSA that can both align with Church teaching:

"Side Y": renouncing any labels regarding sexuality and willfully distancing yourself from the fact of your same-sex attraction. (Adherents to this approach would likely describe themselves not as gay, but "a Catholic who struggles with SSA").

"Side B": acknowledging the reality of your attraction and adopting identifying labels whilst adhering to Church teachings on chastity. (Adherents to this approach often describe themselves as "a celibate lesbian" or similar)

Neither of these are morally superior, because it really depends on what you personally find most helpful for chastity. Some Catholics find it easier to resist temptation by not associating themselves at all with LGBT. Some find it easier to openly identify themselves for accountability and visibility with others in the community. (Which is why there is more of a Side B community than a Side Y).

I will say that Church culture can make both positions difficult to live out. Lay people (especially older folks) have a tendency to talk about non-straight Catholics as a theoretical rather than an already-present reality probably existent in their parish. It can feel isolating. You are not an "other", but a faithful Catholic who also happens to be bisexual.

Always remember that merely experiencing attraction is never sinful, whether you are straight or gay. It's a neutrality. What you do with that attraction determines morality.

God bless!

[lebada]

getting pissed off that the [redacted] url like perfect spelling is run by a cryptoterf. u dont deserve to use her name....

[sidebaxolotl]

@a-lil-strawberry

"For those who are unfamiliar, side b is a christian theological stance that acknowledges same sex attraction as something that cannot necessarily be cured but can be managed through faith. We hold to the traditional sexual ethic that marriage is between one man and one woman, and the only other option for any christian regardless of sexuality is celibacy. We use sexuality labels sometimes as a descriptor of our experiences, not as an identity. Sexuality is a part of who we are as human beings but it doesn’t have to be the thing every part of us revolves around. My faith and my relationship with Christ comes first before anything" There are some variations on this like with any group of people trying to do a thing--some of which I personally disagree with, but I've found this is a pretty reliable definition of side b (taken from my bio)

[patron-saint-of-lesbeans]

Hm, any other queer Catholics have experience with Eden Invitation? I was talking to a priest about how I wasn’t feeling it with the Courage chapter in my diocese and he recommended I reach out to them. They apparently are less…’behaviorally oriented’ as he put it, with some emphasis on living ‘out’ but still chaste lives.