#sf chaos

[claire-starsword]

my sins are undone, I've translated the Chaos scene. I guess I had posted this one here before, but who cares, it's better on the website. look at my tragic robots (you actually don't get to look at the tragic robots because screenshotting chapter 7 without having the saves ready is a pain and i'm not doing it)

[shadowfoxsilver]

A visual guide on scam spotting ft many ocs.

(If reposting any image here please credit me, thanks!)

[sfstranslations]

UPDATE: The S-Ranks That I Raised (385)

“If we’re speaking of how often we’ve met, Han Yoojin, then you’re higher on the list than Han Yoohyun.” “…What?”

Read Chapter 385: New Dungeon (4) now!

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[rogue-rook]

ianthe thinks its her own personal bildungsroman

[emirrart]

29,12,2024

[sonic-fankid-showdown]

Poll 4, Round 1.

About Wafer: (by @pokeypoqi) being a chao, she's obviously not actually related to either parent, but id like to think she still counts haha! she's a spontaneous little guy with an aptitude for swimming (ironic, considering who one of her parents is) and is just overall very joyful and whimsical.

About Leonid: (by @deimostes) Leonid is the cyborg daughter of Shadow and Omega, born 200 years into the future during Silver's time! She was created in a freak accident when Shadow got trapped in an old roboticizer. Omega got him out, the roboticizer overloaded with Chaos energy, and boom! A baby. She's named after the Leonids meteor shower, since her birthday is 11/15 (release of ShTH 05 :3) and the Leonids peak around that time of year! (Shadow is a nerd and so am I.) The self-proclaimed "Ultimate Cyborg," Leonid is just as prideful and destructive as her dads. She loves making bead bracelets and gifting them to people as a way to bring some light to the desolate future that she, her dads, Silver and Rusty (Shadow's now immortal dark Chaos Chao) do their best to protect :)

[a-random-boo]

umbra thingy

[untitledrockstar-if]

MC dancing as a hobby? mostly just so they can look hot in R's music videos lol

there's not a whole lot of dancing happening in rock music videos and more... stare sulkily into a camera icl

[chaos-has-theories]

hhhhhjhhh mortifying ordeal of being seen. and seen wrong

[cutelystealsyourtoenails]

SF GC

The sally face gang groupchat featuring my OC

Part 1 (here) -> Part 2

Credits to my friends for being so chaotic (we love them)

[savage-kult-of-gorthaur]

SF GIRLS JUST WANNA DROP BASSLINES.

-haC INFO: Spotlight on Lori "Lorax" Black, bassist of American punk rock/ post-hardcore band CLOWN ALLEY, performing live in San Francisco, CA, c. 1985, in the same year as the release of their debut album, "Circus of Chaos."

Source: www.picuki.com/media/2803423427173863207.

[claire-starsword]

Shining Force Unused/Removed Content

“But Claire didn’t you have a world book to translate?” Yeah! And then I had to check a tiny detail on another book, and saw something weird, and TCRF wasn’t helpful, so I went down a 140+ page long forum thread and downloaded a ROM editor. It happens. And now you’re gonna hear about it.

So, usually i gloss over the gameplay data on these guide books because I assume people have this information elsewhere already due to hacking and FAQ and the like. That might have been a mistake though, look at this peculiar entry on the encyclopedia’s monster data:

Mephisto

Movement: 6

Weapon: none

Uses Demon Breath. As a boss monster, regenerates HP every turn.

If you don’t know/remember, Mephisto is the JP name of the Shining in the Darkness final boss, later revealed to be Darksol and Mishaela’s kid. Looks like he skipped on helping his dad here.

The encyclopedia notes the HP regen of every other boss, but none use this specific phrasing of “as a boss monster”. This makes me think he was gonna be a boss on some battle, and then a regular enemy later on.

The cut feels understandable to me though, he and Darksol are pretty much identical, no point in having both in a game. And if there was any idea already of establishing a lore/connection between the characters as well, putting him as a regular enemy would ruin that. Given that there’s no artwork to go on, it’s also possible that this was actually a generic demon enemy, and the name was just a coincidence and would be confusing. I kinda doubt this possibility though since there’s plenty of other connections between this game and SitD, at least when it comes to design. Hard to believe they’d forgot or ignore the big bad.

Sadly that’s all the info we have to go on for this guy. I’ve looked over with the editor and found no trace of him. Most I can say is that there are a couple Yogurt placeholders among the enemy map sprites, and a couple unused data entries for Dark Mages. But that could be anything. Unless there’s some oversight with the editor, Mephisto was either fully removed, or never implemented to begin with, and the guide book just published out-of-date info by mistake.

The next monster is the opposite, though

Green Golem

Movement: 4

Weapon: none

Can move on water, and has high attack.

I’m legit afraid that this is an enemy from the game that i just forgot and am embarrassing myself here, because the beast is complete. Graphics, data, you name it.

By graphics I mean it is just a color swap of the regular Golem, as its name implies. Stats wise, it has -3 attack and -2 HP compared to the Golem, meaning it’s an weaker enemy. Makes sense since it’s likely made for the naval battles in chapter 5, while regular Golem debut in chapter 6. Still, with how hard Golems are to hit in the regular game, i’m very glad they did not put a thing with the same defense in the previous chapter.

Well, not that glad. On the other hand, according to the editor...

Its localized name is Weed.

And I kinda need to see this in an actual screenshot right NOW.

I do need to finish this post first. Here’s the last, smaller oddity in the encyclopedia’s monster data:

Storm Rover

Movement: 6

Weapon: Swords

Be careful as it can attack with lightning.

Storm Rover is the JP name for the Shellfish enemy of the naval battle. In the final game they can poison, not attack with lightning. It seems the naval battle went through a lot of changes at some point.

Saying they equip swords is also weird but there’s a lot more mistakes about weapons in this guide, like saying the dragonewts use swords and the conches uses spears, so these might be just mistakes. Anyway still shows that this list is goofed and was probably printed by mistake.

That’s it for enemies, but there’s a few more unused NPC sprites, i think.

I don’t remember any of these in game, but do let me know if i’m wrong, it’s hard to remember all NPCs. I will be kinda mad if the cat is in and i just forgot, given that it’s cute as heck, and cats were my first act of hacking in a Shining game. Why was the SF2 cat not like that to begin with.

Now, on to text data. The thing about text data is that it is a list of 2000+ strings. And even though the event data is beautifully organized in diagrams in this editor, I cannot emphasize enough that it is a very elaborate editor, it’s still tough to sit and comprehend all that, especially in a single day. So I can’t say I have fully checked everything out for now, but you know me by now, i definitely did try. Here’s what I’ve noticed.

Lines 41 and 42 here from Simone’s introduction seem to go unused. To be fair, they don’t add anything.

Alef has a line set up for the boat HQ, even though she isn’t available until after the boat battles. The other late game characters (Torasu, Lyle, Bleu, Musashi, Hanzou, and Adam) all have empty strings for this instead. [Update: I have since investigated and this is an issue in the english version only. Shoutout to whoever in the localization loved Alef very much.]

Khris seems to have a surprised line set up for if you manage to enter Alterone’s castle before the merchant puts in a good word for you, which should not be possible in regular gameplay. [Update: I have since investigated this one too and it can be seen with walk through walls cheats, showing Khris is also in a different position of the map as well. The JP version is even more scandalous.]

Anri also seems to have an extra line to continue to reject Max when they meet for the first time, but from what i recall, Nova immediately comes up to convince her he’s telling the truth. Perhaps you were meant to do something to convince her instead.

Otrant also seems to have a line reacting to Max being turned into chicken, however from what i recall, his room is inaccessible when that happens.

Plenty of other inaccessible NPCs seem to have lines set up for this as well, however they are just reusing lines from the NPCs you do talk to. Those generic lines like “what’s a hen doing here?” and such.

Update: I’m sorry for Spreading Misinformation Online, you can explore all of Manarina as a chicken in this game so these lines are not unused, you can even heal yourself off the chickening by leaving Manarina or entering the next battle. The GBA version fixes this oversight by locking you out of a good chunk of the map so i got confused.

But enough of these minor details. We’re here for deleted content. We’re here for plot lines being dumped in the trash. Bring in the kings.

That’s right baby, it’s Adam and Cain losing plot lines again, it’s not just the localization that did it to them. Ever noticed how Adam do not get the usual “character has joined the force” message, and kinda just appears in your team during the Chaos battle? Yeah, that might have been a hasty fix. There are traces of a bigger scene here with Adam, Darksol and Cain, upon which Adam would join the force with the proper message.

Only a single line of these events has survived, in which Adam urges Max to take the Chaos Breaker. This might mean you would have the sword before fighting Chaos, as the pre-battle dialogue with Chaos is right after this in the data. The remaining lines have been wiped, though the code referring to them remains there along with the code for loading character portraits, which is how we get the handy diagram above.

Unfortunately I don’t know enough of this editor to check if there’s leftover animation data on this cutscene. Sprite data relating to it does seem to be present in the map though, check it out:

does this remind you of something?

:)

put this one in the pile of “the GBA version is just what the devs intended all along” with the others. Granted, “intended” might not be the correct word since they did cut it. Why? Who knows. One possibility I see is that they might have felt a flashback would be confusing, the game doesn’t do any kind of perspective change, unlike the GBA version which does hop between Max, Narsha and Ramladu’s POVs every chapter. While Adam loredumping in the og version might be a more boring way of conveying the plot, it is also more in line with the game’s presentation. A flashback might have also posed technical difficulties, like adding a sepia tone to the screen when no other scene requires it, etc. Though SF2 does have a sepia scene, so if that was the case they figured it out eventually.

Another reason might be that avoiding this scene helps hiding how messy it is. Cain and Chaos get beaten up and corrupted, which makes sense. Max on the other hand also gets beaten up enough to get amnesia, and yet does not get captured or killed, but instead, blown across the ocean??? Somehow???? The GBA version adds the concept that Cain’s armor can warp space and teleport, though seemingly putting a heavy strain on the user’s body. While it’s not explicitly said, we can assume Max’s armor is the same, and that he used it to escape, making his injuries and amnesia not just from Darksol. I’m still connecting a lot of dots on my own here, but it’s something of an explanation, while the classic game had no foreshadowing for this. Even if the deleted dialogue here explained, it would feel more coming out of nowhere.

That’s all speculation though. There might be more clues on unused lines of the japanese version, but i don’t have an editor for that. I have heard tales of a debug mode though, so i’ll look into that. For now i leave you with this monster of a post

[shadowfoxsilver]

[sfstranslations]

UPDATE: The S-Ranks That I Raised (384)

If the Sung Hyunjae here happened to possess even a portion of the memories of the Sung Hyunjae after the regression…

Read Chapter 384: New Dungeon (3) now!

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[ollypopwrites]

I knew my home team lost when literally no one was in the streets tonight lmao

[streetfarterturdstrike]

Capcom says Terry hasn’t canonically seen Ken in 20 years

SVC Chaos came out a little over 20 years ago

Is the implication that the events of that game actually happened? Was the apocalypse that took place in that game the same one Rose was trying to prevent in V? Are all the SNK and Capcom characters sharing a universe now as a result of the world getting reset?