#second person pronouns

[m-grouped]

🦠 ;; GOO/GOO/IER/IERS/GOOIERSELF !!

⟩⟩ PHONETIC SPELLING — goo / goo / ee-ur / ee-ur / goo-ee-urself "

⟩⟩ IPA SPELLING — ˈgu / ˈgu / iʊr / iʊr / ˈguiʊr-ˈsɛlf "

🦠 !! USEAGE ;; Goo went to the store by gooierself, but goo accidentally took ier sibling's wallet with goo. Goo still got everything goo wanted, though, because goo told the cashier the wallet was iers.

> FLAG + COINING BY !! @m-grouped

📗 TERM COINING ;; Jan 10, 2023

❇️ FLAG CREATION ;; Jan 11, 2023

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Goo/goo/ier/ier/gooiers

Phonetic spelling: goo / goo / ee-ur / ee-ur / goo-ee-ur-self

IPA spelling: ˈgu / ˈgu / iʊr / iʊr / ˈguiʊr-ˈsɛlf

Useage: Goo went to the store by gooierself, but goo accidentally took ier sibling's wallet with goo. Goo still got everything goo wanted, though, because goo told the cashier the wallet was iers.

Flag and coining by @m-grouped

Term coined on January 10th, 2023

Flag made in January 11th, 2023

Flag ID: A flag with 9 horizontal stripes. The center 3 stripes (fourth, fifth, and sixth) are smaller than the rest. The color of the stripes from top to bottom are dark green-grey, green-grey, pale green, pastel chartreuse, pale green, pastel chartreuse, pale green, green-grey, and dark green-grey. In the center is a pastel chartreuse cartoon splat. /end flag ID

[limetarte]

Question to other folks who use 2nd person neopronouns:

Is there a way to include everyone when talking to a large group and having to use 2nd person pronouns?

[bs-el]

On Second Person Pronouns

So for a long time I've had my pronouns pinned on my blog with a few other bits of information that I like people to know before interacting with me. Included with them are my Second Person Pronouns (henceforth "SPPs") that I use for myself (and for others when they don't specify). I'm well aware that having SPPs in English that differ from "you/your/you're/yours/yourself" is either seen as archaic (in the "thou/thee/thy/thine/thyself" sort of way) or is just... completely unheard of in general. So I'm gonna explain why I do it in spite of all that!

Before I continue, I will state that I'm defaulting to "you" as the neutral SPP for this entire blog post! Furthermore, if this somehow spreads too far off of my blog, it'd do better with some context: I use "mew" SPPs. Some examples would be "what are mew up to?" "Is that mewr item?" "mew're really cool!" "I dunno if mew can do that by mewrself..." Firstly, the idea for coming up with changing the SPPs I use came from a past of extreme escapism into my own imagination and the life and identity I had in that decade long fantasy merging with my actual self once I escaped my awful home life. Being something nonhuman entirely for a decade and then being brought back to humanity has caused me to thank about a lot of the things in day to day life in another light, and that's the sort of life I've been living. English only has one set of SPPs, the "you" set, and why is that? Why are we so limited when we have things liiiike Third Person Pronouns (henceforth "TPPs") in English are very tied to identity as they're used to refer to someone in particular (when not plural). There's dozens and dozens of sets you can find and see in use and help people distinguish you when speaking vaguely to make the flow of conversation easier. For example: if you're talking about two people who aren't participating in your conversation and one uses it/its TPPs and the other uses they/them TPPs, you can talk about both of them without using their names and keep the conversation flowing. "I heard it's doing that activity today" "oh it's gonna have a great time, i bet!" Only one person is being spoken about here but you know which of the two based on TPP usage. When it comes to SPP use, English really only has the one set for everyone. If you walk into a room with more than one person and say "can you help me out with something for a moment?" you're likely to get asked who you're talking to. So, why not pick out different SPPs? Another example: I ("mew" SPPs) and one other person ("you" SPPs) are in a room together and someone comes in and asks "oh hey can mew help me out really quick?", there's only one person that's being spoken to here, it's determined quickly without issue! Admittedly, this is only a small benefit, but a useful one nonetheless! This grammatical benefit on top of just generally owning your identity and being able to express it in another way was enough to push me to giving it a shot, and I have no complaints so far. Having your own SPPs is roughly equivalent to picking out your own name, you'll be able to tell nearly right away if someone is actually using them, since they'll have to do it right to your face! So, why be "you" when you could be "mew"? Mew could hear sentences like this one spoken to mew whenever mew're being spoken to, and mew could easily be distinguished from mewr peers with a single short word rather than mewr name! And you don't have to use "mew", you can use anything you come up with that sounds right to you! I use "mew" since it sounds similar to "you" and it's easy for people to pick up and get used to, you just add an "m" sound before saying "you" and it always works! Obviously I'm not trying to force anyone to try this, I want this to be something that people can use to understand why I use "mew" SPPs, and maybe just maybe might try out something other than "you" for a change.

[optimistic-tree]

Opinion

People think Toriel would be like-a lot more torn up about her death, or the deaths of others than it seems like she would be?

I mean, it seems like a pretty reasonable assumption. Even more so if Frisk has completed a Pacifist Route, and shown that they can rise above any challenge, and be nice about it (unless you want to be rude while your sparing everyone, which she won’t hear about for a while anyway).

But if you kill her on a Neutral Route, she tells you that you are strong, to leave, to not let Asgore take your soul, and to be good. None of these seem particularly torn up about her death. She can’t be spared at a certain HP threshold, if you keep hitting her, she dies. She doesn’t surrender.

If you kill her when she’s sparing you, she just says that you are just like everyone else. Presumably a reference to her volutarry exile following her child’s death and the war on humans. Not extremely mad. And if she thinks that of everyone, why would she care for all those civilians, so much. Frisk is a child. Do they not have enough stacked against them, without barring them from killing those who would kill them?

If you spare her, she does not tell you to not kill others. If you kill more than eleven monsters, the only thing it changes, is that you interrupt her. I do not think that if you attack monsters or the dummy in front of her, she will do anything. She tells you not to fight the dummy, with the idea that you will remain there, safe and comfortable. You are going to the wider underground. Six of her children have died there.

She does say that she was protecting the others from you by keeping you there if you kill literally everyone in the underground, but that’s a pretty large amount of evil to deal with. Maybe in another context, she’d be a bit more forgiving.

So-maybe she’d swallow the revelation you killed people better than you think she would. Just a thought

[mx-lamour]

I'm telling you, this wouldn't be such an ordeal if we brought back thee/thy/thine and reserved you/yours for plural usage like they did in 1600's England.

[flikkerij]

elaborate in the tags if you like!

personally i use a mix between i, you and we depending on what i'm talking to myself for. like generally it's i, but when pushing myself to do a task it's "WE are going to get up and do the dishes", and selfcare is "YOU need to take a shower". tho none of this is consistent tbh

[roselightfairy]

My highly specific Special Interest is the implicit interpretation/expansion of levels of intimacy indicated by the use of second-person pronouns in translation.

[canisalbus]

Since we’re talking about gendered pronouns:

In Malagasy, third person pronouns aren’t gendered, except for a very specific masculine plural one.

Second person pronouns, however? It’s entirely your choice whether you want to use the gender-neutral “you” or one of the many different gendered ones that range from flirty to paternal to bitchy.

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[daisukitoo]

In the OP context, "chat" is the verbal equivalent of "looking into the camera like you're on The Office"

[electricpurrs]

this is how people talk about you online when you dont use they/them pronouns

[hungwy]

I don't remember names very well so I have a habit of not including them in statements. Thus it feels unusually intimate when people use my name in a hortative manner even though I recognize that using names like that is completely normal and likely thoughtless

[messagesfromthestarrs]

The Monster Under Your Bed

There is a monster under your bed. It has been there for years now. Ever since that fateful summer night, as a child, you forgot to close your window. It slid in, one with the shadows, finding refuge underneath the warmth of your body and bedsheets.

It knew It would be safe, with you there above It. It spent weeks, months, unnoticed. But perhaps, as a child, you'd had sharper senses, a sixth sense even, and kept looking under your bed, trying to figure out what's off.

the monster wanted so bad for you to see It, and back then even It was so naive, just an extension of the shadows. It trusted you already, and It thought you knew about It already. It had made itself the the shadows of your toys, the imaginary friend, spending days in your closet and nights under your cot. It thought the two of you were friends. So, It summoned all It's strength at the time and took a semi solid form. It saw your eyes widen, and It heard you scream with what It could only assume was joy. Surely you would have been happy to finally see the friend your parents always told you was fake? You were even running out of your room and calling for them!

But the thing was, It didn't like your parents. They were always oh so strict, telling you to put your toys away and go to sleep, then to wake up and go to school. They kept insisting that It didn't exist, that you would grow up and realise how stupid you were as a child, talking to the shadows. It didn't want to waste It's energy on gracing them with It's presence. To be honest... It was even slightly scared of them. They could take you away from It.

No, It would never let such a horrendous thing happen. As soon as It's strength increased, It would focus on making a bond between the two of you first, so you could be forever together. Most of It's kin simply went from host to host, causing nightmares and never staying long. Most of It's kin had abilities related to disguises and quick escapes. None cared for anything other than Themselves. Originally, It had been like that too. But after It found you... It changed It's mind.

Everytime you went to call for your parents, begging them to see under the bed, they would simply be unable to. You called It a monster, begging your parents to just believe you for once. They didn't listen, called you stupid and childish. At one point, you wanted to start sleeping in the same room as them again. They just laughed.

At first, It felt hurt. Really hurt. But It didn't hold it against you. Maybe It just needed to improve its form? And possibly get rid of your parents? And then, surely the two of you would finally get to have all the fun in the world.

This continued till your teenage years. Soon enough, you started arguing with your parents more. They started yelling more. You started crying more. It didn't know whether to be happy or not. On the brighter side, you were spending time away from those killjoys, and spending more time in your bed, above It. On the other hand... you seemed troubled. Even It could notice that. So It would slither up sometimes, extend and arm towards you, cold but caring. And you would cry more, It was sure in happiness.

Nowadays, things were different yet similar. You had moved out of your parents' house now, and It had followed, ever faithful. Your new home was just as cold and filled with shadows as your old, so It liked the place very much. It had grown in power, just as you had grown in understanding.

You still had to go to that horrible job of yours, and even to university, but It was a very patient being. At the end of the day, you would collapse into bed, and dream of a better life. And The Monster? It was just happy to be in your presence, under your bed. All it wanted was You.

And Its wish came true. It spent hours in the morning, craving your warmth on top of the bed as it paced in the shadows. And you listened! you left your job, stopped going to classes, stopped talking to 'friends' (It didn't like them, It didn't like that you were smiling with them, and not with It.), you just, existed.

You begun laying in bed all day, wrapped up in blankets in the dark. And oh how happy The Monster was! How kind and caring were you, to devote every second of your existence to It! It craved your presence and your attention, and that's what It got.

You stared into the darkness, and the darkness stared back. And for once, you neither screamed nor cried. You did not smile or blink or speak. And when It reached out, the darkness alongside, you let it.

[baratrongirl]

"Thou" is also used for God in a lot of old Christian hymns and writings.

It was commonly used in Yorkshire at least until the 1950s, and still used occasionally in the modern day. I think I know how to conjugate verbs with "thou" entirely from reading the complete works of James Herriot as a child. I absorbed the grammar from stories about a vet in rural Yorkshire going around to visit farmers who spoke with a strong Yorkshire dialect.

NO ONE knows how to use thou/thee/thy/thine and i need to see that change if ur going to keep making “talking like a medieval peasant” jokes. /lh

They play the same roles as I/me/my/mine. In modern english, we use “you” for both the subject and the direct object/object of preposition/etc, so it’s difficult to compare “thou” to “you”.

So the trick is this: if you are trying to turn something Olde, first turn every “you” into first-person and then replace it like so:

“I” →  “thou”

“Me” →  “thee”

“My” →  “thy”

“Mine” →  “thine”

Let’s suppose we had the sentences “You have a cow. He gave it to you. It is your cow. The cow is yours”.

We could first imagine it in the first person-

“I have a cow. He gave it to me. It is my cow. The cow is mine”.

And then replace it-

“Thou hast a cow. He gave it to thee. It is thy cow. The cow is thine.”

[candy-fae]

The TikTok queer community is just, SOOOOO close to being transphobic loud and proud. This person had pansexual in their bio. Like okay, let’s do the work FOR the oppressors!

And I’m not trans. Don’t get me wrong, maybe my opinion is wrong!! But I don’t think anybody who identifies as something, and purposefully plays with gender on the opposite spectrum, is going to attack you. Some trans people take pride in being confusing. Every trans person I’ve ever met was kind and understanding and if you are getting defensive like this over a fake scenario, YOU are the issue.

Why are you imagining this scenario. Why are you possibly IN this scenario? Being gay doesn’t give anyone a pass to openly be an asshole to others in the community and the comments were like a stomping ground for other gay people to say “yeah….you know I DONT like it when trans guys wear feminine clothes, or when a trans girl talks about her JUNK?”

And the speed at which I clocked who was transphobic was intense. I would say impressive but they’re not hiding it, so I don’t have to really look. Anyway, if you see one of these videos, speak up. Make ‘em feel bad. They should. If you’re gay and think you have the right to disrespect others based on the way they look, guess what! I’d doesn’t matter what you identify as, you’re on the side of the people who don’t like you either.

[optimistic-tree]

Feelings

I hate it when a show gets worse and I can’t tell. It’s just like-I’m sure it’s just depression-NO, SWEETHEART it is made poorly.

Your joy isn’t being consumed by the void inside you, the writing’s just getting worse sometimes. Things do get worse. You can give up on things. You have the internet, you don’t have to treat everything like your elementary school classroom with 2 bins of books in the back you’ll have read all of by half-way through the year. Quality means something-and you can find it.

[miraclemaya]

art is only art through suffering. (tw torture)

the gallery makes you sign a consent form before you enter the exhibit. inside is a white room with a single chair. you sit down. a few moments later a man enters with a hammer. he gives a polite nod and smashes your left knee cap in. you feel it shatter into pieces, bone shard getting embedded in your flesh. he exits the room as you scream in pain. a different person, a woman this time, enters the room and throws a bucket of acid at you. you only barely manage to shield your eyes. the rest of you is not so lucky and you burn without fire.

the next person comes in with a saw and gets started on your left hand. they are wearing earbuds and gardening gloves.

they give you five mins to rest. you can't rest as you are bleeding out.

small cuts and salty water on your back.

hot pokers pressed into your left stump.

you don't pass out.

someone just stabs you with a long sword.

waterboarded.

rip out your teeth.

someone comes in with a canvas and shows it to you. it's a fairly amateurish oil painting of a tree. the tree is unremarkable, and really that is the only way to describe the painting. you barely manage the words but you ask who painted it. the person says a name you've never heard before. they ask you if the suffering made the piece better and you say it didn't.

they help you out of the room and suddenly you are fine. one of the curators is standing by you and they ask you if the suffering being fake was what made the painting boring.

you think for a minute and answer probably.