#secerus snape

[healing-your-inner-child]

[sofiadragon]

Arrested Development – Sirius, Snape, Obsessions and Blind Spots

We discover Sirius’s true allegiance and heart in the climactic ending of POA, but underneath his unquestionable courage, integrity and loyalty to his friend James and his remorse for letting James down and putting his fate in a traitor’s hands, and his wish to make it up to Harry, we also see the hints of a disturbing fixation on Severus Snape.

“[…] so, in a way, Snape’s been right about me [Lupin] all along.”

“Snape?” said Black harshly, taking his eyes off Scabbers for the first time in minutes and looking up at Lupin. “What’s Snape got to do with it?”

“He’s here, Sirius,” said Lupin heavily. “He’s teaching here as well.” He looked up at Harry, Ron, and Hermione.

Sirius is looking at Peter, who had betrayed James and framed Sirius, intending to murder him, but a mention of Snape makes him lose his focus. And Lupin doesn’t seem surprised, as he is answering heavily, as if already weary of the subject (and this is the first time Sirius and Luipn were in the same room in a long while). Snape is as interesting to Sirius as Pettigrew, despite Snape being, as far as Sirius knows, no more than his former target.

We immediately learn about the trick Sirius had played on Snape, somehow luring him to the Shrieking Shack to meet Lupin in a transformed state.

“It served him right,” he sneered. “Sneaking around, trying to find out what we were up to . . . hoping he could get us expelled. . . .”

To preempt the (irrelevant, stupid, and morally bankrupt) assertion that it does indeed serve him right because he supposedly knew Lupin was a werewolf, Sirius himself says of Snape that “Snape is clever enough to stay out of trouble”, so whatever Snape knew, Sirius believed he was sending a person who isn’t stupid or suicidal into a predator’s cage. More on that later. Back to the point, the attitude that “he deserves to die or get bitten and at the very least traumatized because he is annoying and in our way” is alarming. But not surprising. People seem shocked that Sirius would betray James in the conversation Harry overhears in Hogsmeade, but no one seems shocked that he would be a criminal in general. Lupin isn’t so surprised, and even after the truth is revealed he has this to say:

“Not if he thought I was the spy, Peter,” said Lupin. “I assume that’s why you didn’t tell me, Sirius?” he said casually over Pettigrew’s head.

“Forgive me, Remus,” said Black.

“Not at all, Padfoot, old friend,” said Lupin, who was now rolling up his sleeves. “And will you, in turn, forgive me for believing you were the spy?”

“Of course,” said Black, and the ghost of a grin flitted across his gaunt face. He, too, began rolling up his sleeves. “Shall we kill him together?”

“Yes, I think so,” said Lupin grimly

[...]

“What was there to be gained by fighting the most evil wizard who has ever existed?” said Black, with a terribly fury in his face.

“Only innocent lives, Peter!”

“You don’t understand!” whined Pettigrew. “He would have killed me, Sirius!”

“THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE DIED!” roared Black. “DIED RATHER THAN BETRAY YOUR FRIENDS, AS WE WOULD HAVE DONE FOR YOU!”

Black and Lupin stood shoulder to shoulder, wands raised. “You should have realized,” said Lupin quietly, “if Voldemort didn’t kill you, we would. Good-bye, Peter.

Sirius, who cares so much about innocent lives, moments before said Snape was served right for snooping (a brave card to play for the maker of the map, but never mind that). The way Lupin and Sirius both naturally roll up their sleeves for an execution, Lupin’s exclamation that Peter “should have realized” he would be in mortal danger, speaks volumes. Harry and his friends are already old enough to know better than the three adults.

Moments before, Sirius criticizes Harry for using Expelliarmus on Snape:

“You shouldn’t have done that,” said Black, looking at Harry. “You should have left him to me.”

To do what with? Why would Sirius think Snape needed to be rendered even more helpless than he was? Snape threatened Sirius, but nothing more than that.

With a roar of rage, Black started toward Snape, but Snape pointed his wand straight between Black’s eyes. “Give me a reason,” he whispered. “Give me a reason to do it, and I swear I will.” Black stopped dead. It would have been impossible to say which face showed more hatred.

Who hates who more? From Snape’s perspective, he has plenty of reason already: He has a personal vendetta against Sirius, he is convinced that Sirius is the one who betrayed Lily*, and in his mind, he is protecting Harry from his parents’ fate. He probably would have gotten away with it, legally. And yet he needs even more reason.

*To pre-empt another criticism, Snape did not know Sirius was innocent or about Peter, or he would have warned Dumbledore. Karkaroff explains that the Death Eaters did not all know each other.

Later, when he has Sirius unconscious and helpless, he conjures a stretcher to carry him to the castle and send him back to Azkaban. He and Harry are of the same mind here:

“I’m not doing this for you. I’m doing it because — I don’t reckon my dad would’ve wanted them to become killers — just for you.”

[...]

“He [Peter] can go to Azkaban,” Harry repeated. “If anyone deserves that place, he does. . . .”

Harry’s hatred is understandable and rooted in reality. Snape’s is, too. Both of them are choosing the legal and non-lethal course action.

In the original timeline, Sirius levitates Snape out of the shack:

Harry went right after Black, who was still making Snape drift along ahead of them; he kept bumping his lolling head on the low ceiling. Harry had the impression Black was making no effort to prevent this.

Again, why? Why not just leave him there? Doesn’t he have bigger rats to fry just then? It’s clear who hates who more, or at least who is more willing to act on his hatred.

We know how this all ends. The book ends with Snape looking deranged, vindictive, “quite unbalanced.” But judging by their respective behaviors, Snape was mild. Sirius was the one who took more care to show how much he hates Snape than to keep an eye on Peter.

In GOF, in the cave scene, Sirius mentions Snape again.

“I think they’ve both got a point,” said Sirius, looking thoughtfully at Ron and Hermione. “Ever since I found out Snape was teaching here, I’ve wondered why Dumbledore hired him.

[...]

But as far as I know, Snape was never even accused of being a Death Eater — not that that means much. Plenty of them were never caught. And Snape’s certainly clever and cunning enough to keep himself out of trouble.”

[...]

Sirius stared at the cave wall, then made a grimace of frustration. “There’s still the fact that Dumbledore trusts Snape, and I know Dumbledore trusts where a lot of other people wouldn’t, but I just can’t see him letting Snape teach at Hogwarts if he’d ever worked for Voldemort.”

So by Sirius’s own words, he has been thinking about Snape for months now, wondering why Dumbledore would hire him. But why is this so strange, on its face? Dumbledore needed to fill a vacancy and Snape was a Slytherin who was good at Potions, just like Slughorn, his predecessor (who also knew a thing or two about the Dark Arts). It would seem only natural, and not something that would require much explaining, especially if (to Sirius) Snape never worked for Voldemort. Sirius doesn’t know Snape was hired precisely because he had worked for Voldemort. Sirius’s frustration at the thought that Snape is NOT a DE is, I think, Sirius wishing he could attribute every negative quality to someone he hates (#relatable). He seems to wish Severus was a DE. His internal back-and-forth and his frustration show that he really did drive himself up a wall thinking about Snape all this time, never mind that it’s plain weird that he can list Snape’s friends off the cuff, decades later (but not Lily, oddly enough). I’m about Sirius’s age and I don’t know who my high school nemesis’s friends were.

They meet again:

Snape had not yelled or jumped backward, but the look on his face was one of mingled fury and horror.

“Him!” he snarled, staring at Sirius, whose face showed equal dislike. “What is he doing here?”

Snape is still scared of Sirius. Sirius doesn’t fear Snape and never did, and he has no reason to, and yet he is displaying the same immaturity. Yes, they’re both stuck in the past, but only one of them has a salient reason to worry about the other. Just because you’re paranoid, don’t mean they’re not after you, and Snape, who is about to return to Voldemort, knows this. Why is Sirius not even attempting civility?

Snape is beneath Sirius in every way, not worthy of his regard, not even for the sake of Dumbledore’s mission. The man who said, “If you want to know what a man’s like, take a good look at how he treats his inferiors, not his equals” again has a massive Snape-shaped blind spot. In OOTP, Sirius pays for his treatment of his inferiors with his life. We also get further evidence of Sirius’s long-time fixation on Snape and refusal to move on from this:

“I’m bored,” said Sirius. “Wish it was full moon.”

“This’ll liven you up, Padfoot,” said James quietly. “Look who it is. . . .”

Sirius’s head turned. He had become very still, like a dog that has scented a rabbit.

“Excellent,” he said softly. “Snivellus.”

Even I wouldn’t be happy to see Snivellus if I saw him every day at breakfast. I’ve analyzed SWM to death, so I’ll mention only one more line:

How’d the exam go, Snivelly?” said James.

“I was watching him, his nose was touching the parchment,” said Sirius viciously. “There’ll be great grease marks all over it, they won’t be able to read a word.”

Again, doesn’t he have better things to do in the middle of an exam than to watch Snape? Evidently not (#relatable again). James sure seems certain that Sirius would be fascinated.

20 years later:

“I’ve warned you, Snivellus,” said Sirius, his face barely a foot from Snape’s, “I don’t care if Dumbledore thinks you’ve reformed, I know better —”

First, in what context did you have time to warn “Snivellus” already, Sirius? And why do you think you know more than Dumbledore, when you didn’t even know Snape was a DE in the first place? Never mind that this is said in response to Snape criticizing Harry, i.e., it’s completely irrelevant. Sirius has no idea of the Prophecy and that Harry is particularly important, all he knows is that Snape is a spy for the Order. An animosity toward Harry does not have to suggest Snape is not truly reformed.

“Oh, but why don’t you tell him so?” whispered Snape. “Or are you afraid he might not take the advice of a man who has been hiding inside his mother’s house for six months very seriously?”

“Tell me, how is Lucius Malfoy these days? I expect he’s delighted his lapdog’s working at Hogwarts, isn’t he?”

They are both acting like children, but Snape is also letting Sirius know he’s been spotted, in response to a perfectly gratuitous and unsavory insult. Sirius is the first to draw a wand, and again Harry finds himself stepping in to control Sirius, in this way acting exactly how James would not.

Snape checks on Sirius, warns him and does what he can to keep him safe. I somehow doubt that Sirius would have done the same. This is hypothetical, but we have evidence enough that Snape steps up to protect people he despises, his former bullies included. Sirius never shows the slightest inclination to do the same. In fact, he needs to be persuaded by a child not to actively harm others. Harry is able to appeal to his better nature at least some of the time.

I think this goes to the root of Sirius’s hatred: We see how Sirius and James first met, and instantly bonded over their hatred of Slytherin and their disdain for Severus.

In HBP:

“You are determined to hate him [Snape], Harry,” said Lupin with a faint smile. “And I understand; with James as your father, with Sirius as your godfather, you have inherited an old prejudice.”

Now, this is interesting, because Harry has very legitimate reasons to hate Snape and suspect him. Snape has been singling him out for mistreatment since he set foot at the school. Harry is not prejudiced, but Lupin is so certain that James and Sirius were, and that it was a core part of their identity Harry would inherit it from them. The word “prejudice” here, where “baggage” or “enmity” would have done, is telling. My interpretation is that Lupin is referring to Snape’s poverty, as this is the book where we find out Snape is a half-blood from a slum. It certainly was the only thing that would have stood out about Snape as soon as he met the others on the express. It is fair to assume that James and Sirius were not prejudiced against half-bloods, we must give them that, and certainly they were more accepting of werewolves. Perhaps Lupin is referring to Snape’s Slytherin-ness.

The word “determined” here is even more important: Lupin can only be talking about a very young James, and he very well might be commenting on James’s own irrational hatred in the face of evidence to the contrary. For James, I believe (and JKR said as much) he was determined to hate Snape because he wanted Lily; for Sirius, I believe he was determined to hate Snape because he wanted to emulate James in the lack of better role models in his own family. He shows his contrarian nature as soon as he boards the train, and that nature too never leaves him (#relatable, again).

“My whole family have been in Slytherin,” he said.

“Blimey,” said James, “and I thought you seemed all right!” [Why did Sirius seem alright but not Snape?]

Sirius grinned.

“Maybe I’ll break the tradition. Where are you heading, if you’ve got the choice?”

In other words: “Maybe I’ll be unlike my family, but hold on, I need a new identity in that case. What’re you going to be?”

James and Sirius instantly bonded over teasing Snape (and Lily). Over time, there was school and quidditch and girls and their animagus project and full moon adventures, but Sirius only ever seemed interested in going after Snape and in the full moon adventures, and then in serving the Order. And in the end, those memories were all he had left, with James dead and Peter a traitor. As for the friendship with Lupin, it appears that this relationship was already cracked by SWM, possibly as a result of the trick Sirius had pulled (which already shows he didn’t care about Lupin all that much to begin with). He is cavalier about Lupin’s secret then, says he wishes it was the full moon, etc., and when it comes the time to choose the actual Secret Keeper, Sirius trusts Peter more. And so, when James died and the war was won, Sirius lost everything, except his hatred for Snape. He could never let it go because it was all that was left of the identity he had crafted and of the memories of the short good years of his life.

“Yes, but the world isn’t split into good people and Death Eaters.” Another killer line, and another blind spot. Sirius is unable to see the good in someone he dislikes, he relishes in his hatred, in defiance of Dumbledore.

Snape, conversely:

“Don’t be shocked, Severus. How many men and women have you watched die?”

“Lately, only those whom I could not save,” said Snape.

This conversation takes place in March, following Sirius’s death months prior. Snape could be talking about Sirius here, possibly Emmeline Vance. By the time he died, he learned to value all lives. He grew up, if not as much as he should have, and he overcame whatever prejudice he held. The same could not be said for Sirius, though he wasn’t without his virtues. Something to be said there for forming your identity, ultimately, based on love and not on animosity.

[maxdibert]

Sirius Black saying that Snape knew more curses than advanced students before even starting at Hogwarts, as if that’s an excuse to pick on him or some kind of justification, just shows that deep down he was always a spoiled kid living in his rich bubble. I mean, who’s going to explain to him that when you don’t grow up surrounded by gold and live in a crappy hole in the neighborhood with an abusive father, it’s completely normal to learn how to defend yourself? It’s like in real life, if some guy who’s literally a millionaire and grew up among aristocrats says that a kid from a super poor neighborhood with a dysfunctional family knew how to throw punches and use a knife. Well, of course he did—it’s called survival.

[hedgehog-troops]

Severus Snape (a complex character)

(a study into his character by yours truly)

severus snape who saw something in the girl across the street, who he though must be so lonely being so alone in a house full of muggles, having none like her around.

severus snape offering comfort to the same girl after her sister called her a freak. severus snape watching that girl, the first friend hes every had walk onto the train to hogwarts and become friends with everyone.

severus snape who watched this girl get sorted into the 'good' house while he was in the 'evil' house. severus snape, with whom suddenly one of the most popular guys at school had a problem with.

severus snape lurking in the shadows, trying to block out the voices that said that all slytherins are evil. severus snape trying to block out the whispers of his fellow house mates who kept on saying his bsf should die.

severus snape who saw the girl he loves so bad get asked out again and again by the one guy everyone loves, knowing hed never amount up to him.

severus snape who was so smart that with nothing to do he began to form curses.

severus snape who may lurk but never cower. secerus snape who gave as good as he got.

severus snape who watched his bsf slowly begin to befriend the people he's been feuding eith for years.

severus snape who knew somethign was off with that lanky boy, cornered the one oerson who might be considered closest to him to find the answer.

severus snape who almost died that night.

severus snape who hated that he owed his life to the one person he loathed the most.

severus snape who felt a burst of power as he noticed the way the marauders left him now alone solely because he held the most chrished secret of theirs.

severus snape who felt the same power when he developed the sectumsepra curse.

severus snape who slowly felt himself giving into the whispers of those who claimed that the muggleborns should not live.

somewhere along the way, severus snape who lost himself.

severus snape risked himself for the person he once thought he loved but was self aware enough to know, what he felt now was mere obsession. crazy obsession.

severus snape who was doing so much better, working on himself, until he saw the body of the one oerson he loathed the most with the soul of the only person he's loved.

severus snape who lost himself again in the power he felt making harrys life hell in a way he never could his father's

severus snape who couldve been so much had he not been where he was.

severus snape who couldve doen so much better if he was just a bit stronger.

[diagonalleyhq]

I've been looking for a marauders rp for ages ! 😭 fc ideas for dorcas meadows, alastor moody, secerus snape and sirius black?

here we go ! buckle up lovely , because i have all the ideas , i'm buzzing for this roleplay , i need all the fcs , for dorcas i would love to see : laura harrier , greta oniegiou , madison bailey , sydney park ! for alastor please gimme like , darren barnet , ahn hyoseop , mason gooding , diggy simons , avan jogia , diego boneta , mena massoud ! severus is a little harder for more , but timothee chalamet , would be go to suggestions , if not wolfgang novogratz , jack mulhern , leo sheng , mason temple , michael evans - behling , peyton meyer ! & finally everyones favourite wolf , sirius , because of the relationship to the black , half indian is preferred , archie reneaux , however you could possibly spin it that the maternal part of the black family was indian for the black sisters , and therefore sirius & regulus could be other ethnicity , but yeah !

[cursedvida]

Several points:

1) I don't care if you like Snape or not. This isn’t about whether you like Snape. It’s about how you categorically state that Snape was little less than the devil for being an asshole as an adult when I don’t think anyone with common sense denies that. He was an asshole who projected his frustrations onto those closest to him. But you can agree with that and still critique without dismissing all the character's background.

2) I don't generalize about a group of people because they dislike a character. I state with reasons based on academic knowledge and professional experience that deliberately ignoring how cycles of violence work in people from highly vulnerable circles is simplistic, ignorant, and fallacious. If you want to rant about how bad Snape was, find another argument because the "your traumas don't excuse you" one is easily refuted.

3) Interesting that you bring up Sirius, who almost killed one of his peers without caring at all about ending a life or that one of his best friends could have ended up in Azkaban and traumatized for life for committing a crime. The same Sirius Black who loves to preach about rejecting racism but treats his house-elf like trash. But since that's the easy part, let's focus on the important: Harry and Sirius come from troubled backgrounds, but in their adolescence, they found support groups and positive role models. Harry was practically adopted by the Weasleys, just as Sirius was taken in by the Potters. That means they did have healthy emotional role models and safe environments where they felt supported. They also had a solid circle of friends and, by the way, a stable financial situation. So, you are comparing the trauma processing of a character who experienced violence at home and school and belonged to a lower social class with two rich characters who, outside their dysfunctional family environments, had a safe space at school. That comparison doesn’t hold up. It’s absurd.

4) Genocide is wrong, but you skip over the part where (as if it’s not obvious) Rowling already made it clear that besides his love for the Dark Arts, Snape’s main motivation for joining the Death Eaters was surrounding himself with powerful people to feel safe. That’s common for people with low self-esteem who are constant victims of abuse and humiliation. Also, they were probably the only people who didn’t treat him like garbage at school, and the only way to fit in at Slytherin. It’s the same thing as far-right groups targeting vulnerable kids, feeding them nonsense to empower them, and suddenly they’re running podcasts saying terrible things. Yes, it’s wrong, but I went to a Catholic school in an upper-middle-class area and saw many people follow awful trends and later grow up and realize they didn’t know what they were getting into. I don’t think you can condemn a 17-year-old for joining a cult that promises to give him the power he’s never had, especially considering this kid has suffered continuous abuse at home and been an outcast at school. I also don’t think it’s absurd to believe that someone accustomed to hostile and violent environments has a distorted perception of right and wrong or warped moral standards. If we’re going to talk about Snape being a Death Eater, the reality in the canon is that he was only a Death Eater for about 3-4 years, yet he spent almost 20 years risking his life for the “right side.” So, that argument also falls apart on its own.

5) I’m not talking about “people who don’t like Snape,” but rather people who discuss Snape’s character as if he’s beyond redemption and one-dimensional, ignoring his complex backstory. Was Snape a bad teacher? Terrible. Was he mean to kids? Awful. Were all the other adults responsible for the children’s well-being and mental health fully aware of how he behaved in class and did absolutely nothing? Also true. And that includes Dumbledore, who put him there in the first place. So both he and the rest of the adult staff are indirectly responsible for allowing Snape to do as he pleased. And I say this because I had terrible teachers, and to this day, I don’t just blame them, but also all the adults who knew what was happening and did nothing.

6) I don’t hate Lily, but I think she was a terrible friend. But that’s just my idea of friendship and the experiences I’ve had. I’ve had friends who went off the deep end, and we’ve said and done horrible things to each other. But in the end, if you care about someone, your issues are a personal matter, and I can assure you that even after months without speaking to one of my friends, I would have fought anyone who tried to bully them. I don’t think that insult was that bad given the circumstances. It seems to me she was already tired of justifying being friends with the “weird kid” obsessed with the Dark Arts and used the opportunity to cut ties. That’s fair, and she had every right to do so, but that’s not what a true friend would do. And of course datibg yout ex best friend bully is gross as hell.

Canon Snape defenders are fucking delusional. Do I find him an extremely complex and intriguing character? Yes. I actually love it. But yall wanna play the "poor baby he did no wrong" card.

Tell me how you can justify him when he BULLIED children while he was an ADULT, and worse, he was their fucking PROFESSOR. THAT MAN WAS A TEACHER. He was supposed to teach the children, help them out on a subject HE taught, with incredible patience because they're ELEVEN YEARS OLD. Yes he was bullied, I know (the hows and whys of it - that's literally a whole another discussion tho). JUST BECAUSE HE WAS BULLIED AS A CHILD DOESN'T MEAN HE CAN BULLY CHILDREN AS AN ADULT

Your trauma doesn't excuse and allow you to abuse other people.

"Oh but Dumbledore forced him to join Hogwarts as a teacher so he could keep a close eye on him!", "oh but he was a spy!" How could he actually act civil towards literal children while teaching them, am I right? FUCK YOU. Literally fuck you, I don't care what he did. His redemption, his mistakes, his flaws aside, he could at least try to be a decent fucking teacher. I know he was miserable all the time, but that doesn't excuse him actually being such an asshole to literally babies. Him being an interesting character doesn't absolve him of his crimes or flaws, and it's NOT BECAUSE HE'S UGLY. IT'S BECAUSE HE BULLIED THE CHILDREN HE WAS SUPPOSED TO TEACH. ALSO BECAUSE he was a RACIST and he called his best friend, the supposed love of his life a FUCKING SLUR. How do you even excuse that?

[ebenelephant]

Snep

[psemon]

Saddest moment of my life

[lily-mj-fae]

I can imagine how adorable a child Snape death glare would been.

Awe precious little baby Secerus looming lime he's going to kill you. I imagine it would be something like Grumpy cat. Like, trying to be grumpy but everyone just awwws and laughs

[shark-and-lax-girl]

Yike

And the race for house points begins...

[healing-your-inner-child]

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Snape, Snape, SEVERUS, snape