#scooby doo mystery incorporated critical

[iminaworldofpureimagination]

Fred..

FRED WHAT DID YOU DO????!

[rhys-ravenfeather]

Casual reminder that there’s already a ‘dark and gritty’ Scooby Doo series:

So yeah, anyway, if you haven’t watched it already, you should definitely give it a look instead of giving that other show any attention.

[scooby-doobert]

saw an amazing thread on twitter about character development throughout the scooby doo franchise focused on how fred lacks character development, in contrast with the other characters

and something that really pisses me off were comments like “bro it’s just a cartoon” “it’s not that deep”

as if people can’t enjoy media through analysis and research, and cartoons are produced without a lot of depth from the creators

if you consume media without critical thinking that’s on you, honestly

[angorwhosebabyisthis]

i don't know why out of all the gags in sdmi i lose it over this one probably the most, but oh my god

something about the combination of how quick and understated it is, the extremely dark and tragic surrounding context, the scene already being really obvious innuendo, and the fact that in the midst of all this they Had to put it in for This is a Kid's Show reasons before moving on with the murder plot and the murderers' abusive relationship picking back up where it left off. and that they managed to slip a gag in without lessening the impact of that or making light of it. it's genuinely deft and it kills me every single time

[showtoonzfan]

I’m so glad I found this tweet and that somebody FINALLY fucking said it, cuz I have some thoughts. So like…..I love Mystery Inc with all my heart. It was a huge part of my childhood and it has got to be one of the best, if not THE best Scooby Doo adaptation I have ever seen. I loved the characters, I loved the mystery surrounding the old gang, I loved the horror elements….I loved it all but………yeah I was NOT a fan of the damn love triangle between Velma, Scooby and Shaggy, in fact I think it was the only main thing that held the show back even if it was a masterpiece in my eyes. Particularly my issue was with Velma as a character. Don’t get me wrong, I love how she’s characterized in this show, she’s hilarious and all, but whenever she was attached to Shaggy, good fucking god, she was absolutely insufferable and honestly unlikable. I legit HATED the way she treated Scooby, the way she got jealous over a damn dog and referred to him as “some dog”, not liking Scooby really at all and the real Velma just would never act like that in my opinion, even if she did have beef with him. The whole point of the gang is that they’re supposed to be like a family, so to see this interpretation of Velma treat Scooby like shit did turn me off a lot.

There’s legit a scene in this show I DESPISED where Scooby was literally about to die, he was on the edge of a cliff and Velma deadass had to THINK about saving him or not because in her eyes he was the source to her and Shaggy’s relationship being messy. It was such a dark and disgusting scene of her blaming him for everything when he’s literally hanging on for his dear life, of course she saves him in the end but the fact that homegirl had to think about it and even CONSIDERED not saving him pissed me off immensely. It made her character look so fucking horrible, like she was really about to let Scooby fucking die just for some Shaggy tail, I legit have no idea what the writers were thinking for that scene, like I get that Velma had beef with him but that was going WAAAY too overboard.

Also there were like….SO and I mean SO many episodes of Scooby being jealous of Velma and then having drama with Shaggy over it and I just hated whenever the show wanted to focus on this romance drama bs, again the whole love triangle between these three drove me nuts. Velma was so forceful towards Shaggy as well and I always ended up just feeling bad for the guy. I can see where the show was coming from especially since the writers admitted they wanted Velma and Shaggy’s relationship to be messed up so she could end up with Hotdog Water, but…….yeah it was not for me, and you know what’s funny? I legit enjoyed Fred and Daphne’s drama more, seeing Fred be so oblivious and loving traps while Daphne was so obliviously pinning for him was hilarious. I will never not praise this show for how it characterized Fred, making him this cinnamon roll trap loving himbo was the best decision they ever made, and whenever the show focused on THEIR relationship, I never got tired of it, which is the opposite I can say for Velma/Shaggy/Scooby. As much as I love this show, it did drag with its romance aspect. I always hated love triangles and stupid drama in teenage shows, and I feel like this show kinda suffered from that. When it comes to Velma/Hot Dog Water, they could have been handled better honestly, in contrast to how she was with Shaggy. Like…the writing could have been so much better with that, but even after everything I just said, I still love this show and think it’s great. It has its up and downs, but at the end of the day it still rocks, I just needed to get this out there since I don’t see much people talk about it. I will say I don’t HATE this version of Velma, but I will admit that it is hard to really like her after the writing made her so attached to Shaggy and so needy and almost aggressive. They did her dirty with that damn cliff scene, but in the end it is happy to know that her and Shaggy realized they weren’t good for one another and that Velma was meant to be with a girl.

[dizzybevvie]

what’s fantasy high ?^^

Fantasy High is a DnD show on yt ^^!!!!! its like, small town queer mystery, found family type shit about 6 teenagers in a school for adventurers!!!! <33

season 2 used to be behind a paywall but since season 3 is on the horizon (NEXT MONTH AHHH) theyre releasing s2 on yt now tooooo!!!

[ambitious-tea]

I just finished Scooby doo mystery incorporated and I am a bit of a disaster now it’s fINE but - They stayed together and are gonna go on a road trip and solve mysteries and go to college together and I’m not crying nope no way it’s so nice and wholesome and wonderful and exactly what I wanted from this.

This show is definitely one of my favorites.

[galactic-murmaider]

Honestly I’m just trying to avoid the toxic buzz in general mostly because it’s a “sacrificial trash” show meaning most of the genuine criticisms are being overshadowed by discourse about diversity and what not, especially from people who still use terms like “SJW” unironically. But more importantly in a twisted way companies profit off of negative backlash since “all publicity is good publicity”. Hell there’s already rumors of a Season 2 because it got a lot of buzz from people hate watching it….welllll. Okay bare in mind that in this day and age that most cartoons are initially greenlit for two seasons instead of one because animation is fucking expensive and you’d want one on standby on the off chance it’s successful, if for nothing else but sunk cost. So even if that rumor is true, I wouldn’t read too much into it.

So this is also why some of my followers might be confused why I’m not dogpiling on it too much despite my amount of Velma Dinkley content…which is quite frankly it doesn’t deserve my attention. Like I don’t want to resort to hating things I don’t watch so I can’t comment on the show overall but even judging from what I have seen, to paraphrase Tony Goldmark “it doesn’t even look gleefully cynical, it just looks fucking bitter”. Like that now infamous 420 line more confuses me than anything else, like being embarrassed that you’re a cartoon is already a sin but imagine being embarrassed about being an adult cartoon like…good God. Other than that thought, you have to pay me rent in order to live in my head!

As a horror blog, just want to make a gentle reminder to Scooby Doo fans,

Don't hate watch Velma, let YouTubers do that for you. Watch Mystery Incorporated instead and remember what they took from you.

[iminaworldofpureimagination]

oh shit freddie kruegers got freds dad

[ordinaryschmuck]

Alright, last time ever that I’ll talk about Velma. I promise.

Because I’ve been extra salty towards this show all week, and I don’t want to take it further than that. Talking nothing but bad stuff about this show for the entirety of its run is exactly what the writers want. They want us to hate watch it so we can talk about each new atrocity the show brings up week after week, and call us haters or anti-woke propagandists. When, in reality, they don’t give a FUCK about any of that. They don’t care about other races, genders, or sexualities. They just WANT you to think they do. Know how I can tell? Because I’ve SEEN genuine attempts of representation.

THIS is a genuine attempt of representation. Matt Braly, the series creator of Amphibia and a Thai-American, felt like Thai culture was underrepresented in media. So, he not only made his main character and her Thai, but he also dedicated subplots and entire episodes showcasing the culture he wanted to represent.

THIS is a genuine attempt at representation. Dana Terrace, series creator of The Owl House and open Bisexual, wanted a main character that was explicitly bi to finally help kids feel like they’re seen. To help give the representation SHE always wanted.

But when I look at Velma? None of it hits the same.

This isn’t a genuine attempt for representation. This is Mindy Kuling turning a character into a self-insert to make herself look smarter than everyone else and the most important person in a narrative. Truth is, this Velma is nothing more than a sociopath, narcissistic dipshit who thinks she’s better than everyone else but is actually more aggravating than endearing.

So...Good job representing YOURSELF there, Mindy.

And this?

This isn’t representation. This is a shield.

A way to protect the show from any criticism because it couldn’t possibly be bad. They have gay characters! Gay characters are good in everything!

Except that is the LAST reason you should include gay characters! Don’t get me wrong, I LOVE more LGBTQA+ representation in media. What I don’t love is obvious attempts to pander to audiences just to avoid criticisms. And keep in mind, this is NOT the first attempt a creator wanted to make Velma gay.

James Gunn wanted to make her gay in the live action movie, but WB said no.

Scooby-Doo: Mystery Incorporated (the GOAT of the Scooby-Doo franchise) wanted to make Velma gay, but could only imply it because Cartoon Network didn’t greenlit Steven Universe yet.

THOSE are genuine attempts to make Velma gay, to represent people because the creators of both products agreed that it was the least they could do.

But making Velma and Daphne a thing just to protect a show is nothing more than shallow and inconsiderate of the hard fight dozens of people put up with for the sake of representation.

And, honestly, I’d be a little more forgiving if the writing in Velma was good. But it’s not.

Within the first minute, this show features...

Cockroaches having sex...

And fifteen year olds taking a shower to make a joke about how over-sexualized a series’ pilot can be.

First of all: FUCK YOU FOR MAKING ME FIND THIS SCREEN SHOT FOR A POINT!

Second: You lose every ounce of credibility that you actually care about people when one of the first moves you make in your series is to sexualize minors for the sake of a joke.

A joke that doesn’t make sense at that. Point me to a series pilot that’s over-sexualized. If you get more than ten, I’ll say you have a point. I won’t say that sexualizing minors to make it was a good thing, but I’ll at least say that, “Yeah. You’re right. So many pilots do this. SO STOP DOING IT!”

That’s the level of writing Velma has. And it’s why they have their “representation” to protect themselves. Meanwhile, you want to know the level of writing you’ll find in The Owl House and Amphibia?

Villains who prove that the most dangerous people are the ones who make the rules.

Jokes that are actually funny.

Likable main protagonists who are kind and caring to the people around them.

Protagonists who have heartfelt relationships with other great characters, to the point that it breaks your heart to see them leave each other.

And on top of that, actually good representation. But here’s the thing: The representation isn’t only genuine. It’s a bonus. Something great to add onto everything else the writers and the creators do right.

What it isn’t is an attempt to protect a show from what it does wrong.

And that’s it. That’s the LAST time I’ll ever talk about Velma. I really mean it this time.

Talking about this show past it’s premier is already more attention it deserves. And if you were smart, you would not only stop watching, but stop talking. The best attention to give something you hate is NO attention.

If you really want to waste time, waste it by watching something good, like The Owl House and Amphibia. They may be kids shows, but they have more maturity than a single second of Velma.

[grutadodaibo]

So, I decided to rewatch Scooby Doo: Mystery Incorporated, it's been 3 years since the last time I watched it, by now I am midway season 1, it has been a nice experience, I really appreciate the writers effort for trying to make a plot focused Scooby Doo show while keeping all the tropes the franchise is known for, and I keep wondering why someone at Warner Bros. haven't tried to give it a try on it again (Unless you count HBO'S Velma, but let's not talk about this, we all know how bad this show is).

But one thing that keeps coming back everytime I watch an episode of the series, is how in order for the series to work, the gang needs to be either out of character or very one note. Their dynamic is really weird because you have these two opposing forces on the series where in one hand they want us to root for their friendship and for them to stay together but at the same time when they are together they are this close 🤏 to split up and never see each other's faces again.

I kept remembering the 2002 live action movie where the gang has a similar dynamic, but there they at least have a reason for why they acted like that, they've been together for too long and can't stand each other anymore because every monster they find the same thing keeps happening, that's why they break up and keep acting completly rude and apathetic towards to each other. Here though, there really isn't a reason why, they know each other for a while, have solved some misteries by the time the show begins, but overall, they are just really toxic to each other, the prime example being the way they write Velma and Shaggy's relationship, I know that Tony Cervone has stated that this was because Velma is lesbian in the series, going through a compulsive heterosexual relationship but this is not enough to explain way her relationship with Shaggy is so messed up, with her trying to change how he talks, how he dresses, what he eats and the whole rivalry they pull out of nowhere between her and Scooby, I'm all for Velma being lesbian (Even tho I'm more of the Bi Velma team) but this really isn't the way to do it.

I stil like the show, but we all need to adress criticism when criticism is needed, specially when the show is often regarded as the best piece of midia in the franchise, and that could be a problem for new interpretations of the characters that have the same issues as the ones from SDMI.

[shoechoe]

i know i complained about this earlier but i can't get over it dude... i could criticize scooby doo mystery incorporated for a lot but i think this is like the worst thing it did hands down

[angorwhosebabyisthis]

there are a lot of reasons i think pericles is really slept on as one of the most tragic characters in sdmi, and they start with how easy it is to connect the dots that he took a mind-destroying curse full to the face as an infant. one that breaks adult humans and renders them unrecognizable, when pericles was not only a baby but is from a species that is explicitly much more vulnerable to it. right from the beginning of his life the entity obliterated his sense of self so thoroughly that there's not even a version of him who shows up in the Sitting Room.

fuck, man.

[threephantomrey]

apparently i’m not done talking yet so here’s another opinion. i’m very sorry if this comes off as gatekeeping or whatever but some people in Scooby fandom spaces aren’t even real Scooby fans. and what i mean by this is the people who complain about every piece of Scooby Doo media that isn’t Zombie Island or like the Mystery Incorporated series or something like that. or those people that only like the Scooby media with Shaggy and Daphne and Scooby and Scrappy in it and they’ll hate on basically anything that’s come after it. you don’t have to like every piece of Scooby Doo content. (and this isn’t directed at anyone who has voiced valid criticisms about modern Scooby, please do not misinterpret this post as me thinking people who criticize modern Scooby aren’t real fans) you don’t have to like recent Scooby content. you can like something and criticize it, that’s valid! but there comes a certain point where it just turns into people being overly negative and i wonder why some of these people are even in Scooby fandom spaces. like at this point you only like bits and pieces of Scooby Doo history you don’t like the Scooby Doo franchise.

[pennysperfectpolls]

Here is the bracket!

Matches were determined randomly with characters with multiple submissions seeded into opposite ends of the brackets.

I literally shouted “No!” When some of these were rolled

Bracket 1

1

Harrowhark Nonagesimus (The Locked Tomb)

Rio Ranger (Your Turn To Die)

2

The girl (fear and hunger)

Bernadetta von Varley (Fire Emblem)

3

hal 9000 (2001 a space odyssey)

Luke Skywalker (Star Wars)

4

Hod (Lobotomy Corporation/ Library Of Ruina)

Gin Ibushi (Your Turn To Die)

5

Charger (Voidpets)

Oscar Pine (RWBY)

6

fred jones (scooby doo mystery incorporated)

Adrien Agreste (Miraculous Ladybug)

7

Hunter (The Owl House)

Killua Zoldyck (Hunter x Hunter)

8

Jane Doe (Ride the cyclone)

Zhang Chengling (Word of Honor)

Bracket 2

1

Kyusaku Yumeno “Q” (Bungo Stray Dogs)

Ciel Phantomhive (Black Butler)

2

Shoto Todoroki (My Hero Academia)

Lillie (Pokémon)

3

Hitori "Bocchi" Gotou (Bocchi the Rock!)

Kai Satou (Your Turn To Die)

4

Gideon Nav (The Locked Tomb)

Mai Chang (Fullmetal Alchemist)

5

Arven (Pokémon)

“Tails” miles prower (Sonic)

6

Cove Holden (Our Life: Beginnings & Always)

Caspar von Bergliez (Fire Emblem)

7

Shijima Tsukishima (Shimeji Simulation)

Mizuki Okiura (AI: the Somnium Files)

8

Ashe Ubert (Fire Emblem 3 Houses)

The Collector (the owl house)

Bracket 3

1

Freminet (Genshin Impact)

Rob (the amazing world of Gumball)

2

Liir Thropp (Wicked)

Kenzie Martin (Parahumans)

3

Isaac Moriah (The Binding of Isaac)

Essek Thelyss (critical role)

4

Dimitri alexandre blaiddyd (Fire emblem)

Angela (Lobotomy Corporation/ Library Of Ruina)

Syaoran Li (Cardcaptor Sakura)

5

Suletta Mercury (Gundam)

Shilo Bathroy (Just Roll With It)

6^

Cassandra Cain (DC Comics)

Lucy Heartfilia (Fairy Tail)

Gyutaro (Demon Slayer)

7

Furina de Fontaine (Genshin Impact)

Molly Blyndeff (Epithet erased)

8

Nona (The Locked Tomb)

Edward Elric (Fullmetal Alchemist)

Bracket 4

1

Pearl Fey (Ace Attorney)

Wanderer (Genshin Impact)

2

Falst (Aurora Webcomic)

Kokichi Oma (Daganronpa V3)

3

Elphaba Thropp (Wicked)

Shane (Stardew Valley)

4

Nahida (genshin inpact)

Ortho Shroud (twisted wonderland)

5

Natural Harmonia Gropius “N” (Pokémon)

Gregg Lee (night in the woods)

6

Emil Sinclair (Limbus Company)

Kakashi Hatake (Naruto)

7

Tony Tony Chopper (One Piece)

Zuko (Avatar the Last Airbender)

8

Alphonse Elric (Fullmetal Alchemist)

Shin-Ah (Yona of the Dawn)

[comicake]

Okay so I watched the first episode of Velma and um..yeah not a fan. I know that scooby doo franchise is over 50 years old and there have been lots of changes there and there. But the thing about the scooby gang is that they all are just a bunch of nerds who love solving mysteries together.

The only other show that set in high school is mystery incorporated and while I have some criticism towards their friendship dynamic the show is good at explaining that even though they all are very different people they’re friends because they love the same thing- solving mysteries. Like sure Daphne is hot and popular and Fred looks like a popular jock but they would rather spend time on the graveyard looking for clues than doing whatever popular high schoolers are supposed to be doing. And making them rich assholes in the new show is such a boring idea. I just hate it 🫠