#saw gerrera could

[tennessoui]

love that saw gerrera in rogue one was like yes jyn erso I abandoned you when you were sixteen….because everyone was starting to figure out you were related to the imperial scientist galen erso….because I did not change your last name after adopting you…..

it’s giving yes luke skywalker your dad was famous Jedi anakin Skywalker a Jedi knight i trusted who fought in the clone wars with me but sure your uncle said he was a spice runner please don’t use space google on your last name which is different from your uncle’s

[luthanraels-bignaturals]

old man yoai EPIC FAIL! Sad!

[scrapyardwings]

Cal the reason you haven’t heard from Saw Gerrera is because Greeze blocked that man while you were in the Forest Array. He is actively screening your calls to make sure you get a decent nap. If that Latero ever sees Saw again he’s throwing all four hands on sight for not taking care of his kid.

[chipthekeeper]

me when i’m insane about a tiny detail in a show that no one else has seemed to notice or care about

[hegodamask]

I s2g if they go to Naboo I will simply go insane. My whole life will be made. I will scream.

[ghostiesandghoulss]

SO YOURE TELLING ME THAT JYN WAS 16 IN ANDOR AND POSSIBLY WITH SAW GERRARA AND WE APPARENTLY JUST BARELY MISSED HER??? NOT EVEN A SINGLE SHOT WHERE SHES IN THE BACKGROUND???

MY TINY BRAIN CANNOT HANDLE THIS?????

[watchingtheearthrise]

The conversation between Luthen & Saw was so raw and gripping like you *want* to save Kreegyr and his men but you also *understand why they can’t* and it’s just like Saw said. It’s war. It’s brutal. It’s sacrifices. It’s blood being spilt to prevent more bloodshed later. And it’s so heartbreaking.

[canuckianhawkbi]

I’m still obsessed with making SW polls, but this might be crazy enough that I’ll eventually stop:

[iamburdened]

The world would be a better place if I didn’t have to watch so many Saw Gerrera content. At least Hera hates his guts but not enough honesty

[chamerionwrites]

Complaint #3722 about TCW is that they made Admiral Ackbar and Saw Gerrera into annoying monarchists

[squirrelno2]

It's so cool and sexy of writers to tell stories where two groups or people have opposing ideas/goals where both are right and true and good, but also they're completely irreconcilable as goals because their priorities are so vastly different

And this is why everyone who writes Saw Gerrerra with this in mind is my best friend in the world bc holy hell is he an excellent person to tell that kind of story with

[niobiumao3]

So, agreeing with all of what @heyclickadee said, and I just want to add:

Though Disney has given creators/creatives free reign to tell lies to keep the spoilers, Rau and Corbett haven't lied at all. NEITHER of them has said he was dead.

There are plenty of losses and consequences which aren't death. He can be significantly disabled in a manner which keeps him out of the field or limits his ability to contribute. I am SO TIRED of everyone acting like death is the only consequence, like daring acts of bravery can't result in a disability which significantly alters your life. That's a loss! It's a consequence! Can we stop talking about being permanently disability like it wouldn't be a big deal?? And certainly being without Tech allowed Omega to get captured and Crosshair to endure MORE trauma in captivity, and gave Wrecker and Hunter some incredible emotional burdens. Consequences, we have them.

What I do think they were concerned about is people reacting badly to him coming back, and IMO the solution there was to show Tech badly injured if alive and in danger in a stinger. I get why they opted not to (engagement! marketing! discourse! omg he's dead! no wait he's not!) but I hate that and IMO anyways fake out 'deaths' are dumb and I need to stop seeing them. They are not good narrative calls. Stop telling me someone is dead if they may or may not be, just TELL ME their path is uncertain. Show me him in dire straits, trust me we will ALL talk about that for a fucking year. But, whatever, that ship has sailed and is rounding Cape Horn.

As heyclickadee said, everything they've done looks quite intentional in terms of preventing a return from being received poorly: plenty of outs in the actual event, no body, no processing of the grief on screen, no one getting the news (not even Crosshair from Omega, our POV character, let alone Phee, the teased love interest; arguably the two most IMPORTANT people who didn't yet know to find out).

We will, if reviewers are correct, not be seeing anything remotely like what would be needed to bring home an actual departure. His absence is 'felt' but never discussed or processed. You don't do that if you want a death to be real, unless you suck at writing or are doing your character dirty. And I really don't think that those are the case here.

So I’m starting to listen through all the promotional interviews that were done with the cast and crew that were released earlier in the week, and something stuck out to me listening to the round table on Skytalkers with Brad and Jen about the loss of Tech.

It was mentioned several times, and they are very firm in their usage of the words “loss” and “sacrifice”, but I honed in on Jen saying:

1. They spent many many hours of planning, storyboarding, and shooting in order to get that scene right (in other words, it wasn’t a snap decision, they spent a very long time deciding to pull that trigger)

2. That they had to convince themselves (and convince themselves several times over) that it was necessary.

I remember them saying that Filoni mentioned to them that if they were going to go into Tarkin’s turf there had to be a price to pay, bc he is too cunning and powerful of a character for them to leave Eriadu without consequences. That I agree with and understand. But I wonder if they went too far in the convincing themselves that Tech had to die be lost in order to get that point across. Like it really still feels like a miscalculation to me at this stage of the story.

I’m still going forward kind of on the fence about whether we get him back or not, bc I don’t want to be overly burned if we don’t. But, I just think it’s interesting that really nobody, creators, actors, and fans included, wanted him gone, and yet they felt like it was necessary anyway.

[laughhardrunfastbekindsblog]

I have seen the opinion floated several times that Tech's sacrifice ultimately turned out to basically be meaningless since the mission failed, they didn't save Crosshair or find Tantiss, and Omega was captured. To each their own opinion, of course, but I STRONGLY disagree with this take.

Okay, so, (surprise surprise) I'm a HUGE fan of Tech (literally since the moment he first graced our screens, it was favorite-at-first-sight). I wanted so badly for him to have survived. I didn't want him to be CX2 at first, but then the parallels just kept cropping up, but then it turns out he wasn't. I have now accepted that he really isn't coming back, but still wish the writers had allowed for more cathartic/healing moments by purposefully honoring Tech rather than doubling/tripling down all season long on the wrenching pain of the Tech-sized hole in the family.

But I cannot share the view that Tech's sacrifice was pointless.

Tech died on a mission he had pushed for in order to have the chance to save his brother.

Tech knew the mission was risky - OF COURSE he knew - but he wanted to take the chance, he didn't want to leave Crosshair behind when it turned out that Crosshair's choice to stay with the Empire had landed him into trouble.

Tech went to fix the rail car because he couldn't let his family remain sitting ducks for the Empire to shoot down.

Tech severed the connection and sacrificed himself to give his family a fighting chance.

The mission could either end in failure to rescue Crosshair, or inevitably end in the entire family dying. Tech chose the former option.

Tech sacrificed himself so his family could live - and regardless of the trials and hardships they faced afterwards, that sacrifice WAS meaningful. (Shoutout to my girl Omega for taking an awful situation - being captured - and seizing the opportunity to fulfill Tech's final goal of saving Crosshair.)

Their life on Pabu would not have been possible without Tech's sacrifice. Crosshair's freedom and life would not have been possible without Tech's sacrifice.

So, devastatingly painful as Tech's death is, it is only because of him that his family lived. And that is more than enough to make his sacrifice meaningful.

Now if only the show could have acknowledged this a little more clearly...

Also I despise Saw Gerrera even more than I despise Cid.

[a-corndog-named-schibbs]

Feels like a missed opportunity that we never got to see Zeb interact with the Lasat mercenary that worked for Saw Gerrera, the one who fucked Kallus up about Lasats and caused a whole cascade of problems for Zeb specifically. I feel like it could be cathartic.

Lasat mercenary: *trying to impress his fellow rebel by bragging about the time he killed all but one of an entire Imperial platoon on Onderon*

Zeb: *just barely restraining his rage* mmhm mmhm hey random question. This imp you spared, did he have muttonchops by any chance?

Lasat mercenary: Yeah why?

Zeb: *cocks bo-rifle* Glad you asked, pal...

[fanfoolishness]

Cal Kestis needs to be needed.

I'm replaying Fallen Order and able to pay a little bit more attention this time (the first time around, I was mostly just dazzled). Cal has just landed on Kashyyyk having taken down an AT-AT to help partisans fighting the Empire. Saw Gerrera thanks him for the help, but when he hears Cal's here on Jedi business, he's skeptical and scoffs that the Jedi are dead.

It gets interesting here. Cal holds out his lightsaber, a challenge to Saw's offhand comment. And Saw needles him. Asks him if he got the lightsaber off a corpse. Cal fixes Saw with one of those thousand yard stares the boy is too good at and tells him quietly that his master gave it to him.

Saw is a master at what he does. He's charismatic, he gets people to lay down their lives for him and his causes. He knows how to handle them. He sees this fresh-faced kid in front of him with a lightsaber, who immediately starts asking about how to help the Wookiees, and Saw realizes he's got his angle.

(I think Cere clocked that he was sizing Cal up right away, and was concerned well before Saw left the planet.)

So when Cal meets up with Saw in the forest trench to find out the plan, Saw knows just how to play him. He gives Cal the mission of entering the Imperial base and freeing the Wookiees. Is this strictly necessary for Saw's plan to work? Probably not, but it'll be a useful distraction, and more importantly, Saw knows how Jedi are drawn to helping innocents like moths to a flame. If the kid becomes loyal to him for this mission, he'll be a useful tool in the future; if he fails, the main plan isn't jeopardized and he's still a good distraction.

So he lays a hand on Cal's shoulder and tells Cal to free the prisoners. With his lightsaber. The same weapon he just called Cal a graverobber about. Someone older and wiser might have seen a red flag there! But Cal Kestis?

Cal is ecstatic to be needed. To be helpful. He's so proud already he has to brag to BD about it immediately.

Cal instantly looks up to Saw. I think he recognized Saw's leadership skills, his charisma, and his battle prowess, and was taken right back to Master Tapal; but he's not old enough or experienced enough to see the way Saw is looking at him and figuratively licking his chops. All Cal sees is someone who's fighting against the Empire, making a difference, and thinks that he could make a difference again, too.

Cal is the classic smart kid who achieved too quickly, never learned how to fail, wound up spending a lot of time with adults who praised his skills -- and he hungers for that praise still. You can see how he lights up in general when he realizes he's done something really skillful -- taking out that AT-ST walker puts an actual grin on his face, the same grin he probably got as a Padawan when he knew he'd executed something tricky. He loves to be told he's done well, especially after five years in the Bracca scrapyards where standing out could mean being found by the Empire.

(Look at this smug little dork, getting hydrated after destroying a scout walker. Also, two seconds later Cere asks how he's doing with the Force and Cal cheerfully says well, he's not dead yet! and he'd rather not talk about it! But that's a whole rant for another post.)

The Jedi Order specifically put Cal with Master Tapal because they realized he had a problem with not knowing how to handle failure, but because their training was cut short, Cal never did learn the lesson. He blames himself completely when something goes wrong (Cere reminds him that saving the Wookiees and the Partisans is out of his control, a warning he shrugs off instantly even before they get to the fight); he can get a success, but he craves more. He's always looking for that person who can tell him that he's done right, who can give that external validation to help him feel useful. He sees instantly that Saw -- clever, resourceful, respected -- could be a person like that, and Cal just glows around him despite having known him for all of five minutes.

Cal doesn't realize he was being handled, and very skillfully so.

He still doesn't realize that going into Survivor, is still working for Saw, but there's a reason Cere isn't on these missions with him; not only does she have her own goals, but she doesn't trust Saw or his methods. I'm sure she sees that need Cal has to feel needed, to feel useful, and frets about it privately; there are some things that are just too entrenched to root up entirely. Once Cal starts growing comfortable with his powers again, the urge to help, to succeed, to do right by those he looks up to is very, very strong.

After all, how do you think Bode found his angle?

[aestariiwilderness]

Bad Batch Season 3 Episode 15 Spoilers

Finale-Inspired Scenario

I know it was very touching and all with Hunter's "if you need us [Omega], we'll be there". I was Touched™. But all I could think of then was this scenario: Omega: mysterious badass pilot in the Rebellion from any outsider POV. Strange mildly Force-sensitive, very young woman with very extensive, if unorthodox military experience. Animals follow her around. May or may not be a pirate. Has devoted mildly Force-sensitive friends who appear to consider her their leader. Has very odd contacts in very odd places. Weirdly naive about a lot of things (dirt continues to fascinate her) but terrifyingly experienced with others (cloning, mind-wiping, sentient experimentation, etc.). Can fix anything. Has a weird grudge against Saw Gerrera (but who doesn't?). Escape artist who overflows with compassion at the MOST INCONVENIENT times but will also absolutely stab a bitch with no compunction and watch him fall to his death riddled with blaster holes. Never speaks of her origins, history, or family. The famous Captain Rex knows her personally. Senator Chuchi hugs her. Captain Hera Syndulla has apparently known her since childhood. Other pilots and members of the Rebellion are fascinated by this mystery. They place bets on her past -- former Jedi Padawan is currently leading the pool, with "amnesiac formerly brainwashed Imperial child soldier or Emperor's Hand" trailing not far behind. And then. Oh no! Mysterious badass pilot Omega is in a bind. Trapped somewhere behind enemy lines. The Rebellion is collectively in despair, dithering about whether they can spare a "suicide mission" to get her. And then. Multiple (three or four, depending on whether Echo retired to Pabu :D) oddly similar geriatric hippies with scars, facial tattoos, and a tamed lurca hound apparate into their council room. One of them has a toothpick. He has no teeth left, but he is somehow still chewing it disdainfully. Another has one eye and appears to be 1. made of durasteel and 2. has a hard time fitting in the council room. The shortest one has a Ponytail with a capital P, seems to be cosplaying as Moses, and refuses to listen to anyone. They have an incomprehensible system of numbered plans that correspond to no military system anyone has ever seen. They spend 70 percent of the twenty minutes they are on base arguing with each other and ignoring absolutely everyone else. Rex gets a pat on the shoulder. A middle-aged pirate is their getaway driver. The hound will not stop chewing Important Wires. No one has any idea what they want. People only start to get a clue when they yeet themselves at the planet Omega is trapped on and disappear as quickly as they came. There are multiple explosions, screaming, and what sounds suspiciously like a fusion generator overloading catastrophically over an open comm before it is abruptly cut off. The Rebellion gives them up for dead even though Rex, Syndulla, and Chuchi seem oddly unconcerned. Cut to three weeks of radio silence later. There is an unauthorized landing. The code is very old, the signature masked, and it blasts through their security measures like it doesn't exist. A very beat-up ship trailing smoke and parts coasts in to the hangar bay over the protests of the landing crews. Geriatric Hippies Numbers 2 and 3 spill out in a flood of more smoke, completely untouched and looking mildly irritated instead of suffocated. 3 has two stumps and no hands now. He does not appear concerned about this. Somehow, he is still gumming the toothpick. The getaway pilot/pirate is yammering on about where she can (steal?? borrow? liberate?? what?) some upper class robotic hands for him. Geriatric Hippie Moses emerges next. The lurca hound beside him is trailing what looks suspiciously like stormtrooper armor from the corner of her jaws. Badass Pilot Omega, none the worse for wear, is thrown over Hippie Moses' shoulders fireman-carry style, complaining loudly and vociferously that she is NOT A KID and does NOT NEED TO BE CARRIED and YOU KNOW HOW YOUR BACK GETS, HUNTER, PUT ME DOWN RIGHT NOW --

Omega is summarily deposited in front of Rex with several squinty, semi-threatening looks that he cheerfully ignores. They leave -- without bothering to repair their ship, it is absolutely still on fire -- with a lot of meaningful silences, back-slapping, hair fussing, armor-tightening, you-forgot-this and did-you-take-your-kit and do-you-have-the-grenades-I-made-you and are-you-drinking-enough and don't-forget-to-comm-home.

A brave technician who had nothing to do with any of this dares to inquire about the injuries, the second missing hand, and the, uh, wreck they're driving. They are summarily sneered at, called a "reg" in the most scathing tones possible, threatened with dire death should Omega come to any harm, and left standing on the landing pad.

Rex is pinching the bridge of his nose and doing Lamaze breathing. Syndulla is trying not to laugh. Chuchi just looks fond; Omega just looks sheepish.

The entire Rebellion: ....what was that

Omega, sighing deeply: ...my younger brothers

The ghost of Rampart in the background: I HATE CLONES Bonus points if Jedi Knight "Kanan Jarrus" aka Caleb Dume happens to be strolling past the hangar bay just in time to see Geriatric Hippie #3 ("Toothpicked, Toothless, and Handless") and Geriatric Hippie #1 ("Skullface Moses"), screams piercingly, and Force-levitates himself to the base roof. It takes both Hera and Ahsoka to get him down three hours later